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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Sharky on September 10, 2015, 09:26:09 am
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In this source code of SEGA's TGS website, (but has since been removed)
The first is “Thirteen Mecha Soldier Defense Zone” for PlayStation 4 and PS Vita. This is believed to be the new game from Atlus and VanillaWare planned to be announced this month.
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'LEXUS'
The second title is “LEXUS” for PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 3. This one might be a new title from Yakuza Studio, which is known to be working on something else other than Yakuza.
Read more at http://gematsu.com/2015/09/sega-announces-tgs-2015-lineup#COFe9fkKWRvjC5r5.99
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Damn it you've ninja'd me ! Well time for me to delete my thread....
Ninjas aside, i'm still surprised that SEGA's still supporting the PS3, maybe Lexus would be running on the Yakuza 0 engine (because that engine can scale from PS4 to PS3 quite decently and it's the only one they have) ?
also lexus is a car brand.
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News'd it, also noted that Lexus sounds like Lexis which means "the vocabulary of a language, as distinct from its grammar; the total stock of words and idiomatic combinations of them in a language; lexicon."
Or its the name of some anime cyborg girl.
http://segabits.com/blog/2015/09/10/sega-reveals-tokyo-game-show-2015-lineup-we-may-know-what-game-the-yakuza-team-is-working-on/ (http://segabits.com/blog/2015/09/10/sega-reveals-tokyo-game-show-2015-lineup-we-may-know-what-game-the-yakuza-team-is-working-on/)
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Apparently Nagoshi said in todays Famitsu that his name game is Yakuza related...
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Apparently Nagoshi said in todays Famitsu that his name game is Yakuza related...
Do we really need another one this soon?
I just want more Yakuza in the States..
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Apparently it is a new Yakuza game, I think: http://gematsu.com/2015/09/new-yakuza-game-announced-september-15 (http://gematsu.com/2015/09/new-yakuza-game-announced-september-15)
But I think Sony is doing something about that...
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We don't know, but it most likely is. Since this year is the 10th anniversary of Yakuza I'm hoping that the team has a new IP and has ports of 1-5 coming to Playstation 4.
I don't think they need ANOTHER Yakuza title. there has been over 2 a year.
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I really hope it isn't another Yakuza game and nothing else. They really should do more than just Yakuza day in and day out at SOJ.
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I wouldn't rule out the new IP that Nagoshi keeps getting giddy about, after all Yakuza is an annual series so they could've just let the B-team handle the next Yakuza game whild Nagoshi deals with the new IP.
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Didn't Sega hire more people over at Nagoshi's studio? Maybe of making a bigger team to pump a AAA game, maybe they structured a 2 team effort to make 2 AA games.
Because after all the buzz around a new IP, Nagoshi working on another Yakuza game would be kinda meh as much as I love Yakuza. The man worked on all kinds of games, he should work on more original stuff.
Now Vanillaware showing off their next game? My penis says yes.
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Im worried that these games are coming to both ps3 and ps4. That doesn't bode well.
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Like MGSV.
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Like MGSV.
fair point, although it does represent that Sega is not yet willing to fully gamble on current gen platforms. Let's wait and see obviously.
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Let's wait and see obviously.
Well,well, somebody is playing my traditional game B)
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I don't think I've ever seen the core differences between PSO1 and PSO2 showcased better than in this piece of TGS merch
(http://i1.wp.com/www.seganerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/604538.jpg?resize=409%2C304)
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PSO has changed with the times. All anime is this now... It's a shame I agree but whatever. PSO2 is great fun.
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PSO has changed with the times. All anime is this now... It's a shame I agree but whatever. PSO2 is great fun.
Edit: I feel bad being so negative so I'm editing this.
I'll just instead say that PSO didn't appeal to the lowest common denominator in the way that PSO2 clearly does. Gameplay is all that matters though so I'm glad PSO2's combat is such a blast. I do wish they could raise other aspects of its game design to a similarly high quality.
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PSO has changed with the times. All anime is this now... It's a shame I agree but whatever. PSO2 is great fun.
Phantasy Star changed with the times.
Let's remember the difference between Phantasy Star 4 to Phantasy Star Online is bigger than the difference between PSO1 and PSO2.
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PSO being fan-servicy is not just a SEGA thing, really. It's how all anime is now. SEGA just keeping up with the times, gotta go with what makes the money.
Even Nintendo has gone down this route. So please don't just blame SEGA.
Here is a cutscene from one of the latest fire emblem games:
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/785/677/159.png)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--xWEmCQVl--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_north,h_358,q_80,w_636/18mh2vvu82yrtjpg.jpg)
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well.. that happened, we know SEGA is going to announce a non Yakuza game to us at TGS 2015 because Nagoshi said this months ago. The problem is knowing what game it is going to be, Lexus could be that but I highly doubt that it is a code name for the new Yakuza game but we will have to wait and see. They probably have more unannounced projects they are waiting to reveal at TGS but i could be wrong.
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Like MGSV.
MGSV was announced in what, 2013? The time for cross-gen is over. By the time this game release we'd be more than two years into the new generation, if Nagoshi's new game is cross-gen I'll be really disappointed. I'm really tired of seeing devs being held back by the old generation... If it's a studio like FALCOM I wouldn't be upset because they are not technically competent. But RGG Studios have some great tech and they make beautiful games, it would suck to see them hampered by old tech.
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Phantasy Star changed with the times.
Let's remember the difference between Phantasy Star 4 to Phantasy Star Online is bigger than the difference between PSO1 and PSO2.
Indeed. Except the change from Ps4 to PSO was imo for the better. PSO had a unique art style and voice, it wasn't just anime at all. In truth we have regressed. I actually shouldn't blame PSO2, PSU was the transition stage to the now generic and pandering art. I was similarly outraged by the OST cover art which starred two of the game's strong female protagonists lying on a bed together looking all "come hither-y"
(http://www.nautiljon.com/images/ost/00/02/phantasy_star_universe_1_-_for_brighter_day_original_soundtrack_3320.jpg?1426834325)
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Even Nintendo has gone down this route. So please don't just blame SEGA.
Here is a cutscene from one of the latest fire emblem games:
I'm not a huge fire emblem fan but if I was, rest assured, this would enrage me as well.
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Indeed. Except the change from Ps4 to PSO was imo for the better. PSO had a unique art style and voice, it wasn't just anime at all.
So an obviously anime inspired artistic direction isn't "anime"?
Phantasy Star has been nothing but the "anime" roleplaying series of Sega long before PSO, all of them with main inspiration from an established style of the industry. The original Phantasy Stars looked like your every day typical fantasy anime from the late 80s and early-mid nineties. The one thing that made PSO stand out in the series was that Satoshi Sakai had more freedom in developing the artstyle style and personalize it to his tastes but one glance at it and you see the obvious source that inspired the art. It's anime, no pussyfooting around it. This whole forum seems to have an adversity to "anime" with bloated generalizations about how it's like and how it looks like, which is ironic considering this is a Sega forum.
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So an obviously anime inspired artistic direction isn't "anime"?
Phantasy Star has been nothing but the "anime" roleplaying series of Sega long before PSO, all of them with main inspiration from an established style of the industry. The original Phantasy Stars looked like your every day typical fantasy anime from the late 80s and early-mid nineties. The one thing that made PSO stand out in the series was that Satoshi Sakai had more freedom in developing the artstyle style and personalize it to his tastes but one glance at it and you see the obvious source that inspired the art. It's anime, no pussyfooting around it. This whole forum seems to have an adversity to "anime" with bloated generalizations about how it's like and how it looks like, which is ironic considering this is a Sega forum.
PSO is definitely anime inspired, I won't argue that. But it had a unique style that was instantly recognizable apart from any other franchise. Just the variety in facial structure the characters had was enough to make it feel like its own thing. The HUnewearl especially was portrayed in a way that never felt overly sexualized despite her attire. I think there's a clear difference between artwork like this and the girl in a swimsuit with a blobby face crawling towards you on all fours in that PSO2 promo. Heck it's not even just changing with the times, the original PSO looked NOTHING like the anime that was airing on TV at the time. It went out of its way to look unique. PSO2 just elects to do the opposite, which is disappointing.
(http://www.pso-world.com/gallery/data/522/medium/wallpaper15.png)
Also, the original 4 phantasy star games were anime-styled through and through. I have never argued otherwise.
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I think that's a bit disingenuous, saying that 'this merch compared to this promo art'. Isn't it more comparable to this?
(http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/89c2d38a9bde08cf5e95852194dd36831341265643_full.jpg)
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I think that's a bit disingenuous, saying that 'this merch compared to this promo art'. Isn't it more comparable to this?
(http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/89c2d38a9bde08cf5e95852194dd36831341265643_full.jpg)
You're missing the point. Look how they've chosen to represent PSO1 vs PSO2 on the same piece of merch.
Times have changed. Understood. Sex sells. Understood. But this piece of merch is especially emblematic of how far off into the deep-end things have gone. I don't mean to be so morbid but PSO1 is probably my favorite game of all time. I've invested over 300 hours into the sequel and nearly everything about it save for the combat is busted. Their priorities are completely misplaced.
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I think your feeling this 'being out of touch' with whats popular. I used to hear the same stuff about how trashy anime and comics got in the 90's compared to what they where in the 80's etc.
I do agree, video game art in Japan was better during late 90's/00's and its not just SEGA that is changing, something like Alpha 3's art style is superior in my opinion to Street Fighter V, but will I dismiss a game due to them changing the art style over time? No.
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The thing I think is odd about 'LEXUS' potentially being a code name is that the word is specifically a brand name. It's not an actual word, aside from the car make. So I would expect it to actually be related to cars, and specifically the Lexus brand. Otherwise, it would be like having a code name like 'Pepsi' or 'Hewlett Packard' or something. It's not only unusual but could potential draw unwanted legal action.
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I do have a feeling it's going to be a car game... Which I think is a mistake.
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Initial D: Lexus Stage?
I don't have a problem with a car game. Nagoshi worked on Daytona, so who knows. Could be a solid arcade racer with a license.
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Initial D: Lexus Stage?
I don't have a problem with a car game. Nagoshi worked on Daytona, so who knows. Could be a solid arcade racer with a license.
I just don't see them taking out a license for an Arcade racer on PS4... If it's a care game I bet itll be a sim. A boring ass sim...
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Lol, Sega Japan gave up on making racers for consoles loooooong ago. Sega Rally 2006 was the last one for consoles, and in the arcades the last ones were 2009
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It seems highly unusual to have any kind of car/racing game these days focused on a single manufacturer. The only other thing I can think of is that it's something that Lexus sponsors. I did a quick news search and the only two major things I noticed are a bicycle race and a golf tournament.
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I'm quiet confident it has nothing to do with the Lexus brand.
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Maybe it's to do with lexisnexis and is a law simulator. :P
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I'm quiet confident it has nothing to do with the Lexus brand.
You know what's interesting? The Lexus brand became active in Japan. They used to be branded Toyota, which is the original manufacturer.
It's funny that jonboy mentioned Initial D as a possibility. The main car in that anime is a Toyota. I'll laugh if that ends up being what the game is.
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Perhaps a nice oculus rift or whatever ps4 is getting Lexus driving simulator.
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My guess is Lexus is purely a fake name they put on the site to trick people. SEGA had to have known in this day and age not to just put stuff like that in their webpages unless they wanted it to be discovered. Especially with Lexus being a brand name, I'd think they're just screwing with people. I am pretty disappointed that their new games to "win back the crowd" seem to be PlayStation only. Where's that PC support they were rallying for a couple years ago?
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I do have a feeling it's going to be a car game... Which I think is a mistake.
It better not be.
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Radrappy, you have a weird slice of SEGA's history that you consider 'SEGA DNA' or whatever the hell. Not to be rude, but SEGA has ALWAYS done car/racing game ever since 1983's Turbo, to 1986's Outrun etc.
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Radrappy, you have a weird slice of SEGA's history that you consider 'SEGA DNA' or whatever the hell. Not to be rude, but SEGA has ALWAYS done car/racing game ever since 1983's Turbo, to 1986's Outrun etc.
It's funny that you say this as I'm enjoying the shit out of outrun 3d right now. I guess my saying "it better not be" is more of a "that's not going to turn expectations around" reaction rather than whether or not I will enjoy the game personally.
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3D Outrun is a great little game, love the extras they added. Love playing it on easy without traffic when I want to relax and just cruise and enjoy the mechanics/music/scenery. Must own for sure.
I feel the same way about racing games, like, the style of games i like are not going to be green lit by SEGA anymore, sadly. Though in the end, Lexus could just be a codename for the game.
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Yakuza news announced?!?
(http://i.imgur.com/4yEjvkG.gif)
Yakuza 1 Remake and Yakuza 6 announced. Good times if you're a Yakuza fan.
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Holy shit, Yakuza 6, Yakuza remake and Vanillaware Mecha game. This pleases my gaming wee wee. Hope we get more reveals and gameplay footage during the week.
I think your feeling this 'being out of touch' with whats popular. I used to hear the same stuff about how trashy anime and comics got in the 90's compared to what they where in the 80's etc.
I do agree, video game art in Japan was better during late 90's/00's and its not just SEGA that is changing, something like Alpha 3's art style is superior in my opinion to Street Fighter V, but will I dismiss a game due to them changing the art style over time? No.
To be fair, he's not outright dismissing the game, he's mostly complaining how the artstyle of PSO2 is much more generic than the original, even if he picked a weird way of phrasing it. And I can certainly agree with that. What was mainstream and generic in the 80s and 90s was actually much more appealing than the corner cutting, simplified artstyle of today so I do think that it's the most "meh" PS in terms of art direction
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Hoping for Y6 reveal to be as great as the ones were for 3 and 5.
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Nagoshi is finally ditching last-gen! Wonder how good it will look because of that... They're gonna show Yakuza 6 in TGS BTW. (Unless I misheard that in the livestream).
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Well RgG6 and the Vanillaware title looks badass. Not a bad TGS briefing at all. Hope more surprises are still coming though.
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Man, PSO2 PS4 has gotten a fancy makeover. Did you like it, RR? ;)
https://youtu.be/2zDWopB80pg (https://youtu.be/2zDWopB80pg)
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Man, PSO2 PS4 has gotten a fancy makeover. Did you like it, RR? ;)
https://youtu.be/2zDWopB80pg (https://youtu.be/2zDWopB80pg)
The idea of playing this on my PS4 is REALLY appealing I'll admit. Plus, seeing the dragon boss reminds me of what a well designed and inspired fight it is (him coating himself in molten gold magma was always incredibly badass.) IF THEY WOULD JUST DESIGN MEMORABLE DUNGEONS(and maybe add a better story) I WOULD BE A HAPPY RAPPY.
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Wells, the game is more based in encounters than dungeons to be honest.
If you are in a full group, the possibilities are endless.
The history turn around to something more enjoyable after passing a certain chapter and later Episodes the effect of the actions are more replicated.
Obviously, the story is nothing more than your normal Weekend Anime of the Season.
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If you are in a full group good luck even hitting an enemy before it's dead.
heyooo
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Man, PSO2 PS4 has gotten a fancy makeover. Did you like it, RR? ;)
https://youtu.be/2zDWopB80pg (https://youtu.be/2zDWopB80pg)
AKI! AKI GET IN HERE! Time to eat a crow with a hat on.
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Hasney on NeoGAF made this gif, should get a lot of use from you guys:
(http://i.imgur.com/g74fQtX.gif)
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Nagoshi is finally ditching last-gen! Wonder how good it will look because of that... They're gonna show Yakuza 6 in TGS BTW. (Unless I misheard that in the livestream).
I hope Yakuza 6's engine supports dynamic lighting because seeing a person cast only 1 shadow amidst 999 lights is just really weird and dated.
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We're only one day and all that's been announced is PlayStation exclusives? And from the sound of it, that's all there's going to be? Lame.
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Are you really complaining about a Sony conference announcing Playstation exclusives? This is day fucking 1.
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Tokyo Game Show hasn't started.
The Sony conference is a pre Tokyo Game Show, the actual event starts on Thursday.
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OH, I thought...oh whoops. I thought it had already started and I had my dates wrong or something. I didn't even know these were from a Sony conference.
I...feel like an idiot.
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OH, I thought...oh whoops. I thought it had already started and I had my dates wrong or something. I didn't even know these were from a Sony conference.
I...feel like an idiot.
Its okay, chances are Yakuza and the VanillaWare game were the big reveals anyway haha. Seems most Japanese third parties have made the Playstation Vita/4 as the choice of any future development.
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So I'm guessing we were just lied to when they said they were working on something besides Yakuza?
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So I'm guessing we were just lied to when they said they were working on something besides Yakuza?
No...
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Yeah, we don't know everything yet. This was all just announced at the Sony conference. SEGA's full day starts tomorrow.
Notice how all the games we do know about are Sony exclusive?
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What time is Sega's livestream?
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Yeah, we don't know everything yet. This was all just announced at the Sony conference. SEGA's full day starts tomorrow.
Notice how all the games we do know about are Sony exclusive?
So you think the yakuza team has a third game up its sleeves?
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So you think the yakuza team has a third game up its sleeves?
Isn't that what they've said themselves?
http://segabits.com/blog/2015/07/30/yakuza-studio-working-non-yakuza-project/
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So you think the yakuza team has a third game up its sleeves?
They probably do if they have said so, the question is whether it'll be announced at TGS. It's looking unlikely.
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Sooo, was the remake the big announcement?
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Sooo, was the remake the big announcement?
Maybe, maybe not, at the Sony press conference he said there was a great surprise at SEGA's booth but this could just be a translation error.
But the real big announcement was Yakuza 6 is a Playstation 4 exclusive, I think the great surprise might just be the trailer for Yakuza 6.
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But the real big announcement was Yakuza 6 is a Playstation 4 exclusive, I think the great surprise might just be the trailer for Yakuza 6.
Was that not always the assumption?
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Was that not always the assumption?
Nope, most people were thinking it'd be a Playstation 3/Playstation 4 game. Making it exclusive to the Playstation 4 is extremely surprising.
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Link to the livestream of SEGA's "Title Presentation" stage show http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv232962190 (2 A.M GMT)
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Urg...that's 3 am here in the UK. :(
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Nope, most people were thinking it'd be a Playstation 3/Playstation 4 game. Making it exclusive to the Playstation 4 is extremely surprising.
Not really, the new top suit in charge was selling the fuck out of the console when he was speaking about games and Sega's reputation and whatever. We're passed the point in this generation where it's not that surprising that cross gen games are becoming more and more rare, especially with the PS4's retarded sales.
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Not really, the new top suit in charge was selling the fuck out of the console when he was speaking about games and Sega's reputation and whatever. We're passed the point in this generation where it's not that surprising that cross gen games are becoming more and more rare, especially with the PS4's retarded sales.
Yeah but Yakuza primarily sells to Japanese audience, which is why I was shocked to see it become a Playstation 4 exclusive. It'll only lead to good things though.
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is the conference tonight or tomorrow night?
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It says on that link it's online now?
I'm slightly unsure what's going on right now. Have we had the show yet or is it tonight?
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It aired yesterday. Be glad that you missed it, they showed nothing other than go over their already announced waifu and mobile titles.
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It aired yesterday. Be glad that you missed it, they showed nothing other than go over their already announced waifu and mobile titles.
Told you it wasn't going to be much!
Yakuza 1 Remake and Yakuza 6 announcement is pretty "big" when it comes from SEGA Japan. Maybe one day we'll see that NON-RGG IP.
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It aired yesterday. Be glad that you missed it, they showed nothing other than go over their already announced waifu and mobile titles.
Sounds like you missed it... I saw Yakuza Kiwami, Nagoshi announcing Yakuza 6, lots of new gameplay for PSO2, Sega 3DS volume 2, Batman (unfortunately) and Persona 5 new trailer.
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Sounds like you missed it... I saw Yakuza Kiwami, Nagoshi announcing Yakuza 6, lots of new gameplay for PSO2, Sega 3DS volume 2, Batman (unfortunately) and Persona 5 new trailer.
Not sure we saw the same stream. From Yakuza, they only showed Kiwami's logo. Nothing about Yakuza 6 (Nagoshi wasn't even on stage). the same PSO2 gameplay in the sony conference, nothing about SEGA 3D games.
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Not sure we saw the same stream. From Yakuza, they only showed Kiwami's logo. Nothing about Yakuza 6 (Nagoshi wasn't even on stage). the same PSO2 gameplay in the sony conference, nothing about SEGA 3D games.
It seems like you only watched the opening presentation? Nagoshi was there during the Ryu Ga Gotoku presentation and announced Beat Takeshi will be in Yakuza 6 etc.
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I stopped paying attention right when the Yakuza stuff started. Man, TGS presentations are nothing like E3 presentations. For every game they had, they showed maybe about three minutes of gameplay at most and then just sat there talking for the rest of the time.
I guess Yakuza 6 and Kiwami are pretty good but I bet a lot of people here in the west are gonna find it really difficult to get excited for new games in a series that is notorious for not getting localized. I guess Nagoshi is focusing his efforts on the home base rather than the international scene.
Also, yeah, pretty much every game they showed was PlayStation exclusive or oriented. PSO2, Yakuza, Miku, Odin Sphere, Persona, the Vanillaware mech game, I think they showed a fighting game? The only thing I can think of that wasn't PlayStation were the mobile games and the 3DS compilation. Did they show much of anything (aside from the western games they're publishing in Japan) that's not PlayStation only? I guess I can't really complain, no one cares about the Xbox One and Japanese players care about the Wii U less than western players do, PC is still niche, and there isn't a whole lot else to go on for that audience.
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Nothing really wrong with being Playstation exclusive. More of a shame they're not bringing most of the content over.
Also 7th Dragon 3 is a Nintendo 3DS exclusive.
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Is that it? Pfft. Yakuza is fine, but nothing worth getting the fans hyped about. It's another remake too.
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Nothing really wrong with being Playstation exclusive. More of a shame they're not bringing most of the content over.
Also 7th Dragon 3 is a Nintendo 3DS exclusive.
Sure there is, they're limiting their audience by releasing these on Sony platforms only. Then again, they're limiting them by not releasing these games in any other region other than Asia.
Very difficult to get excited over 2 new Yakuza games when they may not even make it over here.
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Is that it? Pfft. Yakuza is fine, but nothing worth getting the fans hyped about. It's another remake too.
If you're a Yakuza fan you'd be hyped about a remake for the first and a sequel that ditches crossgen support.
I think it depends on the context of everything though, Nagoshi said this would be one of SEGA's best TGS in recent time (And 2013 or 2014 were nothing to write home about) but he was talking directly to Japanese fans, whilst Satomi speaks for all of SEGA (Which includes Atlus.)
I've always been of the opinion not to expect drastic changes so soon, but seeing Persona get delayed for polish is great news. Makes me confident in Sonic Next roo.
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That is true. The remake could get some more fans to the series too. It's probably the first time I've been happy about delays. :)
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The title of this topic is now hilarious. Shame on us for thinking there would be actual surprises.
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It seems like you only watched the opening presentation? Nagoshi was there during the Ryu Ga Gotoku presentation and announced Beat Takeshi will be in Yakuza 6 etc.
Yeah, that's the one I watched. Doesn't seem like anything important was revealed at the RGG presentation though.
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Sure there is, they're limiting their audience by releasing these on Sony platforms only. Then again, they're limiting them by not releasing these games in any other region other than Asia.
Very difficult to get excited over 2 new Yakuza games when they may not even make it over here.
But the Playstation platforms are the best selling consolesSure there is, they're limiting their audience by releasing these on Sony platforms only. Then again, they're limiting them by not releasing these games in any other region other than Asia.
Very difficult to get excited over 2 new Yakuza games when they may not even make it over here.
Most of these games would only be successful on Playstation platforms or have some form of support from Sony (like Yakuza) and it's best to keep in mind these titles are made for Japan first, then the world.
Besides it's not like the Playstation 4 is some also ran, it's the best selling console worldwide and is beating it's competition even when you combine the sales of the Wii U and Xbox One.
Like excluding Yakuza and Persona, would Miracle Girls sell better on Nintendo 3DS? Will 7th Dragon 3 do better on Vita as opposed to the 3DS? As I mentioned the biggest shame and problem is these games are stuck in Asia, not that they are stuck on the Playstation platform.
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That is true. The remake could get some more fans to the series too. It's probably the first time I've been happy about delays too :)
Well I'm a big fan of the first two games, but one has become dated thanks to it's loading I guess. A remake with the Everywhere Majima mechanic sounds cool, just hope it gets localised. If not it's back to importing this series from me.
Yeah, that's the one I watched. Doesn't seem like anything important was revealed at the RGG presentation though.
Yeah from the sounds of things, only a big name actor attached to Yakuza 6.
Wonder if the whole new IP was just bad translation or not.
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All of TGS is PlayStation for the most part. It's not fair to blame SEGA alone. Although I guess if you really want to you can blame one of SEGA's best developers. Nagoshi is quite a big fan of PlayStation.
So I guess if you're going to be upset at anyone, be upset at Sony for wanting to make console gaming popular in Japan again. They've invested a lot of money into getting these games console games created, having to convince devs to not put the games on smartphones instead. Something neither MS or Nintendo were willing to do.
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All of TGS is PlayStation for the most part. It's not fair to blame SEGA alone. Although I guess if you really want to you can blame one of SEGA's best developers. Nagoshi is quite a big fan of PlayStation.
So I guess if you're going to be upset at anyone, be upset at Sony for wanting to make console gaming popular in Japan again. They've invested a lot of money into getting these games console games created, having to convince devs to not put the games on smartphones instead. Something neither MS or Nintendo were willing to do.
That's actually a good point, so far the majority of projects are looking to be Playstation family exclusives. The games that caught my eye, Ni-Oh (Team Ninja) Dragon Quest Builders, Heroes 2 and Star Ocean 5 (Square Enix) and Attack on Titan (Koei) have all been Playstation family exclusives. Even Capcom's Umbrella Corp game seems to be ignoring the Xbox One (Strangely?) but coming to PC alongside the Playstation 4 version.
I do think we'll get Xbox One version for some of these games globally, but I do think in general Tokyo Game Show is going to show very little love to either the Xbox One or Wii U.
Also more surprises might be coming from Atlus: http://www.siliconera.com/2015/09/17/atlus-to-reveal-a-brand-new-title-sometime-very-soon/#WQZHmCjEQxzuGk6p.99 (http://www.siliconera.com/2015/09/17/atlus-to-reveal-a-brand-new-title-sometime-very-soon/#WQZHmCjEQxzuGk6p.99)
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Oh, okay. So maybe it's not just Yakuza :)
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Oh, okay. So maybe it's not just Yakuza :)
"It was Atlus Austin, it was Atlus all along!"
I started thinking Satomi might be referring to Atlus' output rather than specifically SEGA when the Yakuza website updated with that timer, since he is the president of all three companies.
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Besides it's not like the Playstation 4 is some also ran, it's the best selling console worldwide and is beating it's competition even when you combine the sales of the Wii U and Xbox One.
Sure the PS4 leads this gen, but it didn't last gen and i think had Yakuza games been released on X360 the fanbase for this series would be bigger, especially here in the US. That's why i mean when i say that SEGA has limited the audience of Yakuza games by not going multiplatform. Hell, even the Wii U got an HD port of the first 2 games, no reason for the XBOX not to get a single title here.
So I guess if you're going to be upset at anyone, be upset at Sony for wanting to make console gaming popular in Japan again. They've invested a lot of money into getting these games console games created, having to convince devs to not put the games on smartphones instead. Something neither MS or Nintendo were willing to do.
MS tried last gen, and that still didn't work. The majority of huge JRPGs last gen were release on the XBOX before they hit a Playstation platform and they still didn't sell that well. If Japan isn't ready to accept an American product in their nation, then why should MS spend millions on trying to cater to them?
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You think releasing it on Xbox 360 would save Yakuza? Wishful thinking, especially how different the way games where made, it wouldn't have made its money back on the port. Sorry, while Xbox 360 sold more world wide, the PS3 had a big lead over the 360 in Japan, the games best market.
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I mean if they're serious about making any sort of money they would be releasing Y6 worldwide STAT. And hey, try marketing it this time Sega.
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Sure the PS4 leads this gen, but it didn't last gen and i think had Yakuza games been released on X360 the fanbase for this series would be bigger, especially here in the US. That's why i mean when i say that SEGA has limited the audience of Yakuza games by not going multiplatform. Hell, even the Wii U got an HD port of the first 2 games, no reason for the XBOX not to get a single title here.
There's several factors to consider;
1. The Playstation series of home consoles have been the dominating devices since the original release with the exception of last gen which now seems like an oddity rather than a general rule (Not that it'll last since consoles don't have much left in them I fear.) so it'd be more logical to support that platform than any other.
2. SEGA actually approached all three console manufacturer prior to the release of Yakuza and who would be willing to support the title. Only Sony showed any interest and this is why the series has been established solely for Sony's consoles from the get go.
3. Yakuza is made first for Japan and than everywhere else, now if the original Yakuza game made a sizable splash, it might have slowly shifted to a worldwide focus. As it is it hasn't. This returns to the bit you mentioned about Nintendo, Nintendo has a sizable stronghold in Japan, which is why SEGA attempted to broaden the franchise on the Wii U, it failed. What makes you think the Xbox would be any different?
It's best to remember the Xbox 360 in general saw lower sales for Japanese titles vs Western titles, now this could be because they were poorer than their Western counterpart, but it's not like the 360 itself showed it had a decent userbase of gamers who liked Japanese developed games. It's the reason why series like Star Ocean, Idolmaster, Tales Of... etc went back to the Playstation family of consoles after their failure of trying to break into the Western market via the Xbox brand.
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You think releasing it on Xbox 360 would save Yakuza? Wishful thinking, especially how different the way games where made, it wouldn't have made its money back on the port. Sorry, while Xbox 360 sold more world wide, the PS3 had a big lead over the 360 in Japan, the games best market.
Not save it but it would help drive sales on the west patch of the big ol' blue world. There's a significant Xbox presence everywhere except Japan. That's why old PS exclusives went multiplat like Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts and even games that are slightly more niche that only helped to drive more sales like Devil May Cry.
Thing is, shit just wouldn't hurt the the brand. Part of the problem of Yakuza's debut in the west was how it was advertised as a GTA killer cause of the whole Japanese mafia angle when it's nothing of the sort when it comes to the actual game.
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You think releasing it on Xbox 360 would save Yakuza?
Definitely not what i was insinuating.
There's several factors to consider;
1. The Playstation series of home consoles have been the dominating devices since the original release with the exception of last gen which now seems like an oddity rather than a general rule (Not that it'll last since consoles don't have much left in them I fear.) so it'd be more logical to support that platform than any other.
2. SEGA actually approached all three console manufacturer prior to the release of Yakuza and who would be willing to support the title. Only Sony showed any interest and this is why the series has been established solely for Sony's consoles from the get go.
3. Yakuza is made first for Japan and than everywhere else, now if the original Yakuza game made a sizable splash, it might have slowly shifted to a worldwide focus. As it is it hasn't. This returns to the bit you mentioned about Nintendo, Nintendo has a sizable stronghold in Japan, which is why SEGA attempted to broaden the franchise on the Wii U, it failed. What makes you think the Xbox would be any different?
It's best to remember the Xbox 360 in general saw lower sales for Japanese titles vs Western titles, now this could be because they were poorer than their Western counterpart, but it's not like the 360 itself showed it had a decent userbase of gamers who liked Japanese developed games. It's the reason why series like Star Ocean, Idolmaster, Tales Of... etc went back to the Playstation family of consoles after their failure of trying to break into the Western market via the Xbox brand.
1. I'd hardly call it an anomaly. I think MS took advantage of Sony missteps last gen, and it's vice versa this time around.
2. I can understand being loyal to Sony because of this, but they're really limiting themselves by not going multiplatform.
3. Keep in mind that i'm not referring to an XBOX release of Yakuza in Japan, i'm taking about the Western Market. I do think that had Yakuza been released on the XBOX in the US, it would have a bigger fanbase. Let's not forget that the Wii U hardly has a Market in Japan. I believe more Wii U's have been purchased in the US, than in it's home territory.
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1. I'd hardly call it an anomaly. I think MS took advantage of Sony missteps last gen, and it's vice versa this time around.
Sure they did, but even with the Playstation brand faltering, Sony still managed to turn it around and be level with the Xbox brand by the end. Furthermore, the Playstation 1 and 2 are still the best selling home consoles of all time with the Playstation 4 looking to follow suite.
2. I can understand being loyal to Sony because of this, but they're really limiting themselves by not going multiplatform.
I disagree, what are we looking at, an additional 10,000 sales at best? Considering how poorly Yakuza sells on the Playstation platform? Would an Xbox port be enough to justify costs? Looking unlikely, they can't even justify localisation on Playstation without even thinking about the Xbox brand.
Furthermore, with Yakuza 6 looking to be a Playstation 4 exclusive, it seems Sony is keen to keep the series on their platform.
3. Keep in mind that i'm not referring to an XBOX release of Yakuza in Japan, i'm taking about the Western Market. I do think that had Yakuza been released on the XBOX in the US, it would have a bigger fanbase. Let's not forget that the Wii U hardly has a Market in Japan. I believe more Wii U's have been purchased in the US, than in it's home territory.
I know you were referring to the Western market but Yakuza is a series that is developed FIRST for Japan. In this regard it would make since for the Wii U receive a port to test the water, that absolutely tanked and so SEGA probably shelved the idea of making the series for Wii U + PS3 and so on.
I still don't see why you think Xbox version would increase the Yakuza series significantly. I don't see any reason to think so when Japanese games in general sell better on Playstation platforms. If we use that rule, we're only looking at a further 5,000 - 15,000 extra units sold in America, hardly anything to write home about.
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Sure they did, but even with the Playstation brand faltering, Sony still managed to turn it around and be level with the Xbox brand by the end. Furthermore, the Playstation 1 and 2 are still the best selling home consoles of all time with the Playstation 4 looking to follow suite.
I disagree, what are we looking at, an additional 10,000 sales at best? Considering how poorly Yakuza sells on the Playstation platform? Would an Xbox port be enough to justify costs? Looking unlikely, they can't even justify localisation on Playstation without even thinking about the Xbox brand.
Furthermore, with Yakuza 6 looking to be a Playstation 4 exclusive, it seems Sony is keen to keep the series on their platform.
I know you were referring to the Western market but Yakuza is a series that is developed FIRST for Japan. In this regard it would make since for the Wii U receive a port to test the water, that absolutely tanked and so SEGA probably shelved the idea of making the series for Wii U + PS3 and so on.
I still don't see why you think Xbox version would increase the Yakuza series significantly. I don't see any reason to think so when Japanese games in general sell better on Playstation platforms. If we use that rule, we're only looking at a further 5,000 - 15,000 extra units sold in America, hardly anything to write home about.
1. PS4 has great momentum right now, but i doubt it'll hit 100 million units like the PS1 and PS2 have done. That's just being realistic, i don't think numbers like that are possible in today's market anymore.
2. I'm not talking in regards to Yakuza on the XBOX, but mainly the X360 a few years back. If marketed properly in the US i think this series would be bigger than it currently is. It's a niche genre with a ton of wasted potential and i think having kept it on one platform has only stiffled it.
3. I disagree, Nintendo platforms are notorious for having 3rd party games flop. Why would testing the waters on a Nintendo platform make any sense? The HD ports were going to fail regardless of they were released in Japan or any other territory because the 3rd party Wii U market isn't there.
I guess we'll never know. The XBOX brand carried a lot of power in the US last gen and i feel it was under utilized to some extent. Either way i am glad we're getting Yakuza 5 and i'll be purchasing it when it's released here.
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Dunno could've tried to make Yakuza on 360 way back in 08' with Kenzan (and also Valkyria Chronicles). It's clear as day, that they just don't care.
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I think enough Japanese developers have been burnt on Xbox, if you like Japanese games.. hum... get a Japanese console?
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Microsoft never stood a chance in that market really, so it's no surprise.
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Dunno could've tried to make Yakuza on 360 way back in 08' with Kenzan (and also Valkyria Chronicles). It's clear as day, that they just don't care.
With Kenzan they've obivously ran into naming issues, because a game called Yakuza with no yakuzas in it is really weird.
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After this TGS, are many Japanese developers going to support anything other than PS4? There was a huge number of PS4 only titles announced at the Sony stage show.
Also helps that Sony is the only developer seeking Japanese support. Nintendo and Microsoft didn't even bother to show up at the event.
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I think enough Japanese developers have been burnt on Xbox, if you like Japanese games.. hum... get a Japanese console?
That makes no sense . Last generation most of the games sold better on the 360 than they did on the PS3. If you've no intention of bringing your games to the West, then it makes sense to be only on the PS4 and for a lot of games that will make sense, otherwise it's limiting your sales
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What Japanese games sold better on 360 than PS3? I'll tell you its a rarer instance than a majority. I'm talking World Wide sales and now that sliver is smaller. You can whine and pout, but its the truth.
Its like saying "Why isn't this game on Saturn, it sold well on the Mega Drive."
The Xbox One isn't outselling Sony like the 360 outsold the PS3.
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I think enough Japanese developers have been burnt on Xbox, if you like Japanese games.. hum... get a Japanese console?
Like whom?
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With Kenzan they've obivously ran into naming issues, because a game called Yakuza with no yakuzas in it is really weird.
Eh, could of called it Samurai: Dragon of Gion. Sega just thought we would rather have Condemned 2 and Full Auto or somethin'.
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It's a spinoff. It doesn't need to be called Yakuza.
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Dunno could've tried to make Yakuza on 360 way back in 08' with Kenzan (and also Valkyria Chronicles). It's clear as day, that they just don't care.
Valkyria Chronicles was originally an Xbox game, less anime styled, more generic units, they had trouble during development and microsoft gave them no help so they scrapped it entirely
it was only with some help from Sony that it was reborn into the game we now love. Even if it had been released on xbox it would have imo been a much more boring game made with that misguided "appeal to the west" ideal from last gen
I think this TGS was pretty great with a lot of people being excited for some very japanese games because they're all on PS4, with the exception of capcom embarassing themselves with another resident evil multiplayer shooter that no-one wants
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But thenIt's a spinoff. It doesn't need to be called Yakuza.
How can people know that it's a Yakuza game then ?
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What Japanese games sold better on 360 than PS3?
From SEGA themself's Bayoetta and Sonic sold better on the 360 I'm sure , didn't the likes of Vanquished didn't it . Ninja Gaiden II did I'm sure Lost Planet 1 and II did.
Either way the likes of Sreet Figther IV, RE 5, Dark Souls II and loads of games games all sold great on the 360 and thanks to being multi all see sales well into the millions . With out being multi platform the likes of Alien Isolation would never have sold as wel as they did.
[Valkyria Chronicles was originally an Xbox game, less anime styled, more generic units, they had trouble during development and microsoft gave them no help so they scrapped it entirely
It was a 360 title and the art look was already in place . It was dropped as the PS3 was seen as a safer bet in Japan which was another SEGA Japan cock up
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But thenHow can people know that it's a Yakuza game then ?
By naming it something that they can associate it with the main series. Plenty of game series do it, including past Sega games. Hell, Sega has named sequels of some games completely differently but with a common theme that connects them. Like Shinobi's sequel, Kunoichi.
Fact of the matter is, if they wanted to release it on our side of the globe, they wouldn't have any problem cooking up some name. Which is a shame cause I only realized those spinoffs existed and they seem more fun to play than the mainline series. Plus there's not a lot of good samurai games out there, especially high end games.
From SEGA themself's Bayoetta
Wrong. As broken and as shitty as the PS3 Sega port was, it sold plenty more than the 360.
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=BAYONETTA
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Wrong. As broken and as shitty as the PS3 Sega port was, it sold plenty more than the 360
Well I did say I'm sure . Thought the game sold better on the 360 in the west, I stand corrected . Either way with out being a multi platform title it would have sold a million copies and it seems that the 360 version also sold better than any PS3 Yakuza game to date.
Japanese games can do well on the XBox
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I agree that xbox 360 game's sell well in japan; mainly due to the console selling relatively well in japan. The Xbox One however is a different story because there aren't enough console's sold in japan to justify making port's for it. This may not affect oversea's that much but I feel like it is safer to focus mainly on Playstation console's mainly due to there already established strength in Japan and it's large success in oversea's countries.