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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: crackdude on February 02, 2016, 04:03:52 am
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Sega has been a bit....slow with its releases lately.
The new restructuring and leadership has put Sega in a position they hadn't been for a long time. A position of peace.
Like a slow growing apple tree, with its main structure firmly entrenched in fresh market soil, we can only dream of what fruit will come of this growth process.
For Sega fans, the growth pain is obvious. One can only manage to find enjoyment in Hatsune Miku for so long, and the game drought is worrying for the untrained eye.
However, this wait has brought serenity to the company, giving opportunity for new ideas to flourish and become great games (we hope). There is however another aspect to this time period: the market perception of Sega.
Not long ago Sega used to be all but bashed, regardless of game quality. Sonic was the cover-b..hedgehog for the "disaster that is Sega's management, which is leading the company into bankruptcy". Comment sections were consisted of walls of text listing every Sega failure and every reason possible (and untrue) to believe that Sega has always been "shit and succ my dick".
This is now changing.
For the first time since I was a teen, I decided to actually load up the comment section of a popular "gaming journalism" website (IGN of all places) and was ready to be disappointed with the gaming community once more.
But what's this?
I was always a Nintendo kid growing up. (SNES/NES) But i love me some sega games. Especially those arcade games.
OMG shinobi/streets of rage chiptune composer Yuzo Koshiro is freaking musical genius !
Gotta mention Panzer Dragoon Saga in any great Sega game discussion!!! Best RPG game I've ever played!!!!!
Do you guys remember Sega Channel? That service was truly ahead of its time.
Shinning Force has always been a quality SRPG almost even with Fire Emblem.The Sega Megadrive had FANTASTIC 3rd party support,Sports;Shoot em ups ,a few strategy titles,the prototype first RTS;Herzog Zwei and their own RPG's...but Sega's very own back catalogue of classic games was numerous and wonderful.
You dipsticks list off all the great Sega RPGs without even MENTIONING the one that *IS* the best Sega developed game of ALL time--Though I doubt that any of you have ever played it through to completion: Panzer Dragoon Saga.
Adventure 2 was the best!
Sonic gets most of the nostalgic love, but you could probably come up with a ranking of 50 fantastic Sega games before you even started to consider the Sonic games.
Sega has one of the best back catalogs in gaming - and the best back catalog of arcade/coin-op games, so it's a tough question.
People always complain that Sega doesn't do fan service and they are sitting on their franchises without giving them proper sequels. Actually, Sega TRIED to do fan service but no one bought those games.
And many many lists of favorite Sega games, both famous and obscure.
I firmly believe that people have consensually moved beyond the "SEGA LOL" meme, and are starting to cherish a company that has been through a lot.
Unfortunately, we end in a sour note. As one comment reads,
Sega going third-party was almost indisputably the single greatest disaster and greatest loss for gamers in the history of the hobby.
It's a sentiment I share.
But I believe that, after the rainny spring, Sega will collect its fruits, both juicy and refreshing.
After all, to be this good..takes ages.
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SEGA's image has no doubt improved in the US and UK thanks to a lack of games. 2015 was light, but the good games were really good (3D Classics, Yakuza 5) and the bad games weren't all that bad (Sonic Runners, Fighting Climax).
I think scaling back SEGA of America was a good decision. As much as I hated to see it happen, when talking with George on a podcast a while back I realized that over the past five years SEGA of America has hardly released any quality packaged titles. None of them were developed in-house, it was all externally developed licensed crap, or externally developed classic revivals that fell flat on their face. The only game that comes to mind that was good in that timespan was Shinobi 3DS. Any other quality titles came from Europe - Viking, Crush, etc.
I would much rather see SEGA focusing on a few big budget titles a year, localizations of Japanese games, the usual output from Creative Assembly, Relic and Sports Interactive, and mobile releases. And of course the occasional surprise.
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If only taking away SEGA of America's toys would lead them to fill in the blanks with translations.
There's a new elephant in the room regarding lacking localizations, so some of that "lol SEGA" hate got migrated to that discussion. As far as I can tell, people want to play SEGA games again but the language barrier is frustrating the audience and have no trouble calling SEGA stupid again or ask Nintendo to buy out SEGA once more (like that would help the situation, NoA is worse than SoA at times!).
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I'm a bit lost, are you saying SEGA of America are slacking in localizations? Because the past few months make it seems to be the opposite.
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I like how you made this thread right before SEGA announced that they're localizing another game.
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quality above all else. Releasing only a few high quality games over a couple years is way better for a company's image than a whole crop of bad games released with the same number of good games over the same amount of time.
Might not be so great for the pocket books though.
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For better or worse you really ran with that fruit tree metaphor...
Anyway, I think it is entirely possible for SEGA to fix their public image issues, I think a really solid Sonic game will go a long way to fixing that... Better localization which I believe they are suddenly focusing on... and hopefully higher quality games all round, which I think from Bertos topic they have been doing for a good while now...
SEGA will always have a slight uphill battle because I think there is still a lot of console wars bias still simmering below the surface for a lot of people...
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For better or worse you really ran with that fruit tree metaphor...
Anyway, I think it is entirely possible for SEGA to fix their public image issues, I think a really solid Sonic game will go a long way to fixing that... Better localization which I believe they are suddenly focusing on... and hopefully higher quality games all round, which I think from Bertos topic they have been doing for a good while now...
SEGA will always have a slight uphill battle because I think there is still a lot of console wars bias still simmering below the surface for a lot of people...
I suspect it is starting to go. Those brought up on Nintendo are starting to replaced by those brought up with PS1/2 and xbox's.
As for SEGA's image, they're certainly saying and doing the right things so far. But as others have said, it's not going to be easy or a quick turn around. They need to stay focused.
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Not until they fix Sonic again.
Their image was briefly mended between 2010 to 2012 as a good to great third party but fell apart after a bad Sonic game and Alien Colonial Marines.
For better or worse, Sonic is SEGAs face and unless the series is good it's not going to mean their image is fixed.
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For better or worse, Sonic is SEGAs face and unless the series is good it's not going to mean their image is fixed.
sad but ultimately accurate. Things are teed up now for this next sonic game. If it's great, this will be a return to form for Sega in everyone's eyes.
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Not until they fix Sonic again.
They're image was briefly mended between 2010 to 2012 as a good to great third party but fell apart after a bad Sonic game and Alien Colonial Marines.
For better or worse, Sonic is SEGAs face and unless the series is good it's not going to mean their image is fixed.
Very true. I just hope the 25th anniversary is the fresh start Sonic needs.
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Its a shame that that is how it is. Main series Sonic games release so infrequently now that SEGA's reputation really shouldn't hinge on the quality of the games. Its like, then what has SEGA had to earn rep off of since October 2013 when Lost World released? And even then, it was a Wii U exclusive, hardly widespread. So really it hasn't been since Generations that a mutli-platform Sonic game has existed to earn SEGA a good image.
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Its a shame that that is how it is. Main series Sonic games release so infrequently now that SEGA's reputation really shouldn't hinge on the quality of the games. Its like, then what has SEGA had to earn rep off of since October 2013 when Lost World released? And even then, it was a Wii U exclusive, hardly widespread. So really it hasn't been since Generations that a mutli-platform Sonic game has existed to earn SEGA a good image.
Just a thought, but maybe they should keep it this way? Have less Sonic games, but make them a big thing when they happen. If they keep this trend, it should eventually change gamers mentality that Sonic is the success or failure of SEGA and allows their other titles to take center stage.
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I'm a bit lost, are you saying SEGA of America are slacking in localizations? Because the past few months make it seems to be the opposite.
Oh it is better now, but people are still burned by Phantasy Star Online 2/Nova and Yakuza spinoffs. Also Shining Resonance, which fans were expecting a localization because it is no longer burdened by PSP's conditions.
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Not until they fix Sonic again.
They're image was briefly mended between 2010 to 2012 as a good to great third party but fell apart after a bad Sonic game and Alien Colonial Marines.
For better or worse, Sonic is SEGAs face and unless the series is good it's not going to mean their image is fixed.
It's stupid how people think that way because SEGA is more then "that company that makes mediocre Sonic games". But that's partially a burden caused by SEGA of America and Europe for prioritizing Sonic for years. Making Sonic great again will only fix part of the problem, but thankfully it seems like they're also taking more risks with localizing their other IPs so far. So if things work everyone will win.
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People also think Sonic gets in the way of other IPs. So you have another group who thinks not having Sonic around is beneficial. But Sonic is still a big seller for SEGA. This co-existing have never been a problem before, he's not a scapegoat for every situation.
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Crackdude, you could say the same for footballing fans! :P
Most are fickle, but the true fans support them no matter what.
To be honest, I think their recent announcements have started to make gamers old and hopefully new see SEGA's achievements and tend to be sentimental over it.
I still love me some SEGA games, and when there is a lull, I tend to play something else, so when they return to announce things, you get pumped up!
I think Sonic does need to improve in order for gamers to really take notice of SEGA, but I do think the gamers who think Sonic = SEGA are the younger generation who never played SEGA's other catalogue. It is mostly SEGA's fault of course due to the promotions Sonic gets but let's hope that these announcements make gamers take notice and wonder how they see SEGA without Sonic for awhile.
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Its not just Sonic that needs to be fixed but rather, the company as a whole. Its too late for SEGA now and SEGA isn't interested in bringing back their image. Even if SEGA isn't known for crappy Sonic games, the fact that they barely make use of their damn IP's just proves that they don't want to win back the audience it once had.
Honestly, with the amount of companies that SEGA has bought, they don't need to make use of their IP at all. They can just take the route of EA and just mess around their valuable IP.
People are excited to see VC on PS4 and yet SEGA didn't mention anything whether Azure will end up the same way. the amount of games they released from 2000-2015 are just awful majority of the times.
Tell me, why would SEGA ever need an R&D team if they have studios that they bought? They are just fine with Atlus making games as well as Creative Assembly making Total War. Why the hell does SEGA need to focus on console gaming when they can just stick to PC and Mobile gaming only to last for a few years until they end up going bankrupt.
If they were first party, then I agree that they need their R&D. But honestly, I'm sick of getting hyped on their today games only to end up getting disappointed.
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I hate being so dismissive, but that is a load of nonsense.
You're so blinded by the fact they're not making what you want, you're failing to see what great titles they have made over the years. Yes, everyone and their dog know they've made mistakes - and some damn right silly ones at that - but don't you dare dismiss everything.
As for VC:Azure, they have no business saying anything about it being released here yet. VC remaster will be easy as the voice work and translation are already done. Azure however is different. It's still in development and they're starting with a release on home soil. Once it's actually closer to completion, then we should here news about a translation.
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lol Artwark, mad much?
I really don't see it as grim as you paint it.. Sega's output has been pretty good, even the reviews show it, even though the bad games damage their reputation. Even more so when Sega makes so little marketing of their titles. Had Vanquish been published by EA it would've been an absolute blockbuster, as they have spent many million in far worse games.
Sega is niche. It doesn't have that marketing power.
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I hate being so dismissive, but that is a load of nonsense.
You're so blinded by the fact they're not making what you want, you're failing to see what great titles they have made over the years. Yes, everyone and their dog know they've made mistakes - and some damn right silly ones at that - but don't you dare dismiss everything.
As for VC:Azure, they have no business saying anything about it being released here yet. VC remaster will be easy as the voice work and translation are already done. Azure however is different. It's still in development and they're starting with a release on home soil. Once it's actually closer to completion, then we should here news about a translation.
Dismiss everything? Like what should I not dismiss? The amount of stupidity they have for just milking the hell out of Sonic whether his games end up good and bad which doesn't matter because all SEGA has to do is slap sonic to make profit and damn it they do it exceptionally well.
I want Phantasy Star 5 to happen and honestly with the Phantasy Star community still being out there, I don't see why that's not possible to happen.
Again, what major releases have they released last year other than a last gen game and just one solid retail 3DS game of Hatsumi Miku? Nothing. Even Capcom is far better than what SEGA could possibly achieve.
Where's Outrun, Shinobi (that 3DS one doesn't count because its a crappy one and doesn't even have composing of legendary Yuzo Koshiro), Phantasy Star, Shining Force and many other badass IP's that SEGA used to develop but now don't give a damn about them?
If SEGA can't even compete to the likes of even Capcom which only has Monster Hunter and Street Fighter, how the hell can SEGA even get to the likes of Platinum games? SEGA can easily survive by simply buying either Capcom or Platinum games. Infact, just buying game companies is the only good thing that SEGA can do. Take the EA route and just ignore your old self.
Honestly, If Nintendo weren't there to form a strong bond with SEGA, SEGA would be just gone off to dust by now. You should be grateful that they both have strong relationships without which, SEGA doesn't seem to be strong bonds with either Microsoft or Sony.
For every game that SEGA has made on the Vita, they can easily just remake them on the 3DS since the vita is a smaller market compared to the 3DS. Hell, just to support vita owners here, what's the reason we can't get Phantasy Star Nova to the west? Oh that's right, SEGA doesn't give a damn about the western market.
I'm expecting someone here ranting about Nintendo and you know what? I don't care about it. Why? because Nintendo is and always will be better than SEGA. even if they milk the heck out of Mario, Pokemon and Zelda, they atleast take extreme good care of them. SEGA taking very good care of Sonic? Yeah right.
Funny how you folks rant so much on Nintendo being crappy despite them being more of the opposite. Companies make mistakes and that's true, but SEGA has never valued their mistakes from the time they went third party and since then, they are screwed all over.
lol Artwark, mad much?
I really don't see it as grim as you paint it.. Sega's output has been pretty good, even the reviews show it, even though the bad games damage their reputation. Even more so when Sega makes so little marketing of their titles. Had Vanquish been published by EA it would've been an absolute blockbuster, as they have spent many million in far worse games.
Sega is niche. It doesn't have that marketing power.
If they are niche, then how the hell did they manage to sell their genesis games that huge? How the hell did they manage to make Sonic end up selling like 150 Million units? That's not niche. Niche is something that comes like about half a million and that's that. So you're saying that SEGA games can only sell half a million?
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SEGA All Stars Racing Transformed
Bayonetta
Vanquish
Valkyria Chronicles
Alien Isolation
Binary Domain
Sonic Generations
Sonic Colours
Sonic Lost Worlds
typing of the dead
ports
Tembo the badass elephant
The Cave
Yakuza Series
Think that'll about do it.
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I want Phantasy Star 5 to happen and honestly with the Phantasy Star community still being out there, I don't see why that's not possible to happen.
Sega has been releasing Phantasy Star games almost every year for a decade. Most of which have Single Player storylines. I'd enjoy a fully fledged PS5, yes. But I really don't see a need for it.
Again, what major releases have they released last year other than a last gen game and just one solid retail 3DS game of Hatsumi Miku? Nothing. Even Capcom is far better than what SEGA could possibly achieve.
Yakuza Zero, 7th Dragon 3, Fighting Climax, Tembo, Total War Attila, etc.
Where's Outrun, Shinobi (that 3DS one doesn't count because its a crappy one and doesn't even have composing of legendary Yuzo Koshiro), Phantasy Star, Shining Force and many other badass IP's that SEGA used to develop but now don't give a damn about them?
As I said, Phantasy Star is one of Sega flagship IPs at the moment, the fuck you on about.
Also, calling Shinobi 3DS crappy is borderline trolling. I'm guessing you suck at it, that's why you're mad.
The Shining series has had 8 releases in the past 6 years. Please wake the fuck up.
Take the EA route and just ignore your old self.
For what purpose? For you to complain about even more series being ignored? Incoherent much?
Honestly, If Nintendo weren't there to form a strong bond with SEGA, SEGA would be just gone off to dust by now. You should be grateful that they both have strong relationships without which, SEGA doesn't seem to be strong bonds with either Microsoft or Sony.
An expected comment coming from a Nintendo fanboy. I guess Sony working with Sega on Shenmue 3 and striking exclusivity over PSO2, Valkyria and others won't be enough to convince you that Sega is very important for Sony in Japan.
Oh that's right, SEGA doesn't give a damn about the western market.
Of course not. Sega is a japanese company that makes japanese games for the japanese market.
It's Sega America who chooses what to bring over. And after the lukewarm reception of PSP and PSP2 I really don't see why they would bother to bring over PSN.
I'm expecting someone here ranting about Nintendo and you know what? I don't care about it. Why? because Nintendo is and always will be better than SEGA. even if they milk the heck out of Mario, Pokemon and Zelda, they atleast take extreme good care of them. SEGA taking very good care of Sonic? Yeah right.
Protip: Sega has released more good games than Nintendo in 2015. Enjoy going bankrupt in the next 4-6 years.
If they are niche, then how the hell did they manage to sell their genesis games that huge? How the hell did they manage to make Sonic end up selling like 150 Million units? That's not niche. Niche is something that comes like about half a million and that's that. So you're saying that SEGA games can only sell half a million?
On the other hand, how come Sony sells 150 million consoles if they didn't even make consoles back in 1992???!!
I'm not usually one to ask this, but seriously, what the hell are you doing in a Sega forum if you're a Nintendo fanboy.
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Sega has been releasing Phantasy Star games almost every year for a decade. Most of which have Single Player storylines. I'd enjoy a fully fledged PS5, yes. But I really don't see a need for it.
Yakuza Zero, 7th Dragon 3, Fighting Climax, Tembo, Total War Attila, etc.
As I said, Phantasy Star is one of Sega flagship IPs at the moment, the fuck you on about.
Also, calling Shinobi 3DS crappy is borderline trolling. I'm guessing you suck at it, that's why you're mad.
The Shining series has had 8 releases in the past 6 years. Please wake the fuck up.
For what purpose? For you to complain about even more series being ignored? Incoherent much?
An expected comment coming from a Nintendo fanboy. I guess Sony working with Sega on Shenmue 3 and striking exclusivity over PSO2, Valkyria and others won't be enough to convince you that Sega is very important for Sony in Japan.
Of course not. Sega is a japanese company that makes japanese games for the japanese market.
It's Sega America who chooses what to bring over. And after the lukewarm reception of PSP and PSP2 I really don't see why they would bother to bring over PSN.
Protip: Sega has released more good games than Nintendo in 2015. Enjoy going bankrupt in the next 4-6 years.
On the other hand, how come Sony sells 150 million consoles if they didn't even make consoles back in 1992???!!
I'm not usually one to ask this, but seriously, what the hell are you doing in a Sega forum if you're a Nintendo fanboy.
Wrong. Sonic is SEGA's flagship IP and it still sells even for the crappy games. And yeah, maybe SEGA released a few good games last year.... like that lame Tembo game? Those dumb mobile games? The only ones that stand out are the ones coming from Atlus and creative assembly. You're just lucky that SEGA owns them otherwise, they are screwed. But what about years before that? Certainly Nintendo wins there. Sony selling consoles is easy in that they made it easier to make games for third parties like SEGA, simple as that. Nintendo is damn rich that they can't go bankrupt even after 6 years, what are you saying?
Also, when you say releases, talk about the ones released in the west, not the ones in Japan only. I can't believe you will go that far as to support them for games that they haven't even released in the west. Even I wouldn't defend games that Nintendo hasn't yet released for the west.
You obviously want to defend SEGA so much to the point that you will even defend them if they haven't released games to the west. wow.
As for what a Nintendo fanboy is doing here in a SEGA forum? Its pretty simple. Nintendo and SEGA are very close friends and SEGA is heavily influenced by Nintendo. Infact Nintendo saved SEGA and Capcom by collaborating with them on Mario and Sonic games and also has a heart of putting Sonic in Smash.
Why I'm angry at SEGA? Because SEGA made a fool out of Nintendo by making several unfinished and poorly made games on Nintendo platforms recently. Not only that, but they can't seem to promise me on working their ass off and delivering quality ass games like how Nintendo does majority of the times. If Nintendo can make profit despite the lack of huge games they released last year, how the hell do you think SEGA can compete over that?
You know what? I think I'm done. You seem to want to support SEGA even if they don't want to support you back so good luck on that and hopefully, SEGA doesn't do any more stupid crap like how they always did when making Sonic games.
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I'm sorry, but I won't even waste my time replying to you further.. It's pretty obvious that either (A) you still have good part of 8 years of gaming history and events to catch up to or (B) you're a troll, and not a particular entertaining one.
Maybe you should send an email to Sega on how angry you are. They won't read it..but I'm sure lifting whatever's on your chest might cheer you up a bit.
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I'm trying really hard to read through each of Artwark's posts, but they are just walls of text riddled with blatant inaccuracies and misdirected anger. Given Artwark seems to be on his own here, I see little reason to form a rebuttal. Especially given he doesn't seem to want to have a conversation that allows for changing ones opinions.
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I am angry at Sega about ignoring the West and not releasing titles under the old IP's in the west as well Artwark, but it is their decision. I don't know what the latest Shining games are like, nor what other IP's they continue to release over there. But they just aren't ready to invest in the West. VC was a sleeper hit, and it made them think twice about the West, they just don't want to take heavy risks. I can't blame them entirely on that. Sega has a history of certain genre's of games that did well, and those types did well in Japan, not the US. There is a HUGE cultural difference in gaming tastes, and until Sega breaks that cultural difference in their games there is no reason to waste money releasing them in the West.
The few people that like or even remotely remember the original Shining series won't keep the IP afloat in the US. Most people see the crappy ones on the PS2 and GBA. I had no idea Shining series even continued till a few years ago when my friend moved to Japan and told me they are on mobile phones. I honestly thought the IP was dead.
Every person that grew up with PS wants PS5 to happen, but again you have to remember that the Sega community that even remembers or enjoys those games is trivial. Gaming trends come and go, but in US where FPS's are flooding the market and each one still sells extremely well, and where American kids would rather punch a hooker and run over a politician, than play JRPG or TBSRPG, Sega doesn't have that mindset in their games, as that is not what the Japanese prefer, and that is their primary market.
Let them do what they want to do, and all we can do is hope that Sega decides to start taking risks and come out on top.
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Personally I think Sega should just include english as a language option on japanese games. That way we could import.
But that takes up resources as well
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I keep seeing this "SEGA keep milking Sonic", but they haven't been 'milking' him in the last 3 or 4 years. They don't release as many games like they use to, and last year besides ports, mobile, and PC we didn't get no physical Sonic releases at all. We're not going to make any kind of progress if people still continue to think that SEGA is still 'milking' Sonic, and all they make is crappy games and ignore the good games that came out.
Also, this topic is slowly turning into another lame "Nintendo vs SEGA" thread that got closed down a few months ago. *sigh*
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Personally I think Sega should just include english as a language option on japanese games. That way we could import.
But that takes up resources as well
I would love for English translation on games that were never released to US, especially older ones. Either to a medium like Steam or Xbox, similar to what they have done with the Sega Classics on Steam. I would think but am probably wrong that it would require minimal work for decent cash flow.
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Oh look Artwarks back again with the exact same bullshit that has been shot down time and time again... It's like debating with a brick wall.
-You're understanding of SEGA as a company, their size, worth and their business is remedial at best.
"Blah blah blah SEGA don't make good games"
You're two or three click away from the truth, please direct yourself to this topic and have a scroll through.
http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=898.105
-Nintendo hasn't saved anything, in fact they are by far the very worst company for any third party to do business with. Beside Sonic games SEGA don't even put that many games on Nintendo consoles, you're living in the fantasy zone mate.
Why I'm angry at SEGA? Because SEGA made a fool out of Nintendo by making several unfinished and poorly made games on Nintendo platforms recently.
Why aren't you angry at Nintendo? They've been making a fool out of themselves by releasing several unfinished and poorly made games on Nintendo platforms recently too... In fact they've got another 2 lined up; Star Fox and Metroid Fusion Force or whatever its called.
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I'm expecting someone here ranting about Nintendo and you know what? I don't care about it. Why? because Nintendo is and always will be better than SEGA. even if they milk the heck out of Mario, Pokemon and Zelda, they atleast take extreme good care of them. SEGA taking very good care of Sonic? Yeah right.
Got to be honest here, the Zelda fans are starting to hate on the new direction of Zelda for "not" being like Zelda of the N64 days.
As for Pokemon, I am shocked at how many there are now with the designs getting gradually worse every generation (not saying this to be anti-Pokemon, I have fond memories, but you can tell they are running out of ideas).
Sonic sold 150 million? You mean from its inception to now? (2016?) I agree.
I hope you play some of SEGA's recent output as they are pretty good! I even include Renegade Ops and Binary Domain (my favourite shooter! Played it 4 times over the years.)
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Got to be honest here, the Zelda fans are starting to hate on the new direction of Zelda for "not" being like Zelda of the N64 days.
As for Pokemon, I am shocked at how many there are now with the designs getting gradually worse every generation (not saying this to be anti-Pokemon, I have fond memories, but you can tell they are running out of ideas).
Sonic sold 150 million? You mean from its inception to now? (2016?) I agree.
I hope you play some of SEGA's recent output as they are pretty good! I even include Renegade Ops and Binary Domain (my favourite shooter! Played it 4 times over the years.)
As cool as it looks, Zelda does concern me a bit now. I preferred Zelda more direct approach to the open world games like Skyrim etc.
If Nintendo could make a 3D Pokemon game, that would be sweet though!
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Simply put, the answer to this topic is
yes
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/game-publisher-rankings-for-2015-releases (http://www.metacritic.com/feature/game-publisher-rankings-for-2015-releases)
relevant though:
"Before you get too excited about Sega's success, note that half of its 2015 titles were new 3D re-releases of older games for the 3DS platform. The publisher released just one game for current-gen consoles: the middling, Sonic-influenced cartoonish platformer Tembo the Badass Elephant (http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/tembo-the-badass-elephant)."
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Yep. Did a post about it on the front page. That is one way to fix your image. SEGA stopped producing a lot of big titles.
Though it doesn't really talk about Yakuza 5, Hatsune Miku and other localization that average rather good scores on metacritic. I think putting down that they haven't had big titles, so what? I'm tired of this generation's publishers rushing games out and screwing consumers over. Its bad for the brand.
I rather have little things like this, then when their ready to show us their big guns, show us. But they best be polished up.
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As cool as it looks, Zelda does concern me a bit now. I preferred Zelda more direct approach to the open world games like Skyrim etc.
If Nintendo could make a 3D Pokemon game, that would be sweet though!
I am not exactly a Zelda fan, but yeah they need to get back to what they did best with it.
I wish that were the case but it'd cost them too much money (not that it matters with something like pokemon), I am more disappointed at the direction Pokemon took. I think that the games could expand on what the Pokemon can do other than contests and Gym battles, on top of the sheer increase of pokemon.
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Blah blah blah blah SEGA Bad Nintendo good, blah blah blah!
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/game-publisher-rankings-for-2015-releases
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http://www.metacritic.com/feature/game-publisher-rankings-for-2015-releases (http://www.metacritic.com/feature/game-publisher-rankings-for-2015-releases)
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SEGA ---- #1
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Nintendo ---- #6
I think this gif sums up how most people are reacting
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Go SEGA!
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Reminder there are fans of Nintendo here who don't behave like Artwark. I don't know why he is kicking the hornet's nest being anti-Sega on a Sega fan site.
It's cool to see SEGA on top for quality of games. I feel it has been a couple years where they deserve better recognition, their games tend to be the best of their genres (rhythm, puzzle, strategy) whenever they try.
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Reminder there are fans of Nintendo here who don't behave like Artwark. I don't know why he is kicking the hornet's nest being anti-Sega on a Sega fan site.
No, we know... I'm as SEGA as it gets and I still have plenty of time for Mario Kart, F-Zero GX and older Star Fox and at least a respect for 3D Mario titles.
The guys a salty bitter nerd and when I get the chance to rub it in his face, I do... I'm weak that way.
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Polygon doesn't agree with the results
http://www.polygon.com/2016/2/6/10927390/metacritics-best-publisher-rankings-for-2015-make-no-sense
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well polygon is polygon
i can only imagine a lot of people are super pissed about this, but screw 'em. we always believed sega could recover and have a good year with video games again and they did! hell yeah!
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Polygon doesn't agree with the results
http://www.polygon.com/2016/2/6/10927390/metacritics-best-publisher-rankings-for-2015-make-no-sense
The real question here is how are Polygon still around?
They've openly took money from MS, they've been caught on camera multiple times saying they don't like Sony and made embarrassing comments and factually incorrect articles.
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There was no need for this OPINION piece but there's equally no need to be upset. We all know it was the rereleases bringing up the score by a huge margin, not the company suddenly being a great developer again.
That's next year mother fuckerrrrrrsss.
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Polygon doesn't agree with the results
http://www.polygon.com/2016/2/6/10927390/metacritics-best-publisher-rankings-for-2015-make-no-sense (http://www.polygon.com/2016/2/6/10927390/metacritics-best-publisher-rankings-for-2015-make-no-sense)
To be honest, Sega landed the first spot on mere technicality. Sure, the M2 3D remasters were awesome but it's really nothing that set them apart from other publishers that pumped actual good, original games. But if anything else, this kinda proved the OP since what little they released seemed to be just sparse and good enough to make it count.
And really, Telltale in second place? Fucking seriously? How the hell does this page even work?
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The Metacritic publisher ranks are a measure of output consistency.
To rank #1 you have to release many top quality titles over a year. Bethesda didn't even enter the race for example for releasing too few games.
But neither did Sega last year, and now here we are. A very quality focused output that is being lauded by pure statistics.
That Polygon article is pure bliss. I hadn't seen so much butthurt over Sega for a couple of years now.
Polygon can ride my balls
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I'd assume Project Mirai DX was counted, but was Yakuza 5 counted? Is there a link to all of SEGA's 2015 titles that counted towards the final result?
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I dont think so, they never do a list for any company...conveniently.
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Really? Good and original games? Everyone was under 75% metacritic... so why couldn't these wonderful original games get better ratings?
I think Polygon also missed the point that SEGA restructured and even they said that they where leaving consoles... yet here they are... toping a publisher list. Hey, if their that butthurt they can whine to metacritic to change the goal post for them to get Nintendo higher or whatever their aiming for.
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Really? Good and original games? Everyone was under 75% metacritic... so why couldn't these wonderful original games get better ratings?
Are you somehow implying that Sega made better games than From Software and CDProjekt in 2015? Bloodborne and Old hunters, Witcher 3 and Hearts of Stone?
Or that Telltale, a developer that does products that barely qualify as games and made that fucking abortion called Minecraft Story mode or whatever is somehow deserving of any spot of reference for quality gaming?
I got nothing against Sega here and Polygon is one of the worst gaming "journalism" sites out there but Metacritic's score, being dependent on gaming sites just like it, isn't exactly the place I go when I want to know if a game is actually good or not. Or any gaming page, for that matter.
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I do like how people moan about Telltale as they don't make games, but interactive media.
Interactive media...otherwise known as, games. *face palm*
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The real question here is how are Polygon still around?
They've openly took money from MS, they've been caught on camera multiple times saying they don't like Sony and made embarrassing comments and factually incorrect articles.
Money talks unfortunately.
Maybe they should rename themselves "Micro Polygon" at least we'd know that they are a Microsoft biased site.
I am at odds with the results myself though. SEGA have always made good games, but this year it wasn't a great year for us personally (despite the 3D Classics and Yakuza 5). I wonder what they base this on? Maybe the turnaround SEGA has done these last few months?
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Money talks unfortunately.
Maybe they should rename themselves "Micro Polygon" at least we'd know that they are a Microsoft biased site.
I am at odds with the results myself though. SEGA have always made good games, but this year it wasn't a great year for us personally (despite the 3D Classics and Yakuza 5). I wonder what they base this on? Maybe the turnaround SEGA has done these last few months?
Personally, I don't give a hoot about review scores. Especially when the gaming press are such a joke as they are now. There's probably only 1 or 2 with any real credit to their name anymore, while the rest are either hypocrites, badly written or click bait nonsense.