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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: George on June 11, 2010, 10:33:40 pm
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Published by THQ. Graphic colors remind me of Uncharted. The game is modern times, has swords and guns. It is Ninja Gaiden as in you can chop off heads and run on walls. Looks amazing.
Look at Gametrailers for when they put up the Pre-E3 ep. Should be in a 40 mins. PS3 & 360.
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Trailer is up. Enjoy:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-20 ... ird/101178 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-devils-third/101178)
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Looks like WET if it had a bigger budget and better developers. Which isn't a bad thing!
Not sure how it's going to go down, but looks fun so far.
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Published by THQ
Nice to see that Trademark THQ style, oh yes their producers are making all the difference is an THQ game alright :shock: .
No diff from SEGA getting Platinum, This is an Itagaki and its looks brilliant and fun. Nice to see a Japanese game with some next gen physics too.
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I think it looks like it has massive potential, but I am not really sure what to think about it yet. The platforming looked like it could really be brilliant and the gun combat seems very interesting too! My favorite part was not the trailer, but Itagaki talking about it in a really calm and egotistical manner.
Kind of disappointed it is not for a specific platform though, I think a lot of Itagaki's talent shines when he has a set platform.
Here is the somewhat censored YouTube video for those who hate GameTrailers or cannot get the site to run good (or lazy people).
[youtube:15eauyu8]1tQStkvdIs8[/youtube:15eauyu8]
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Eh not sure what to think of it right now, not entirely convienced.
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You guys know me, and I never say this but... it looks very brown.
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Eh not sure what to think of it right now, not entirely convienced.
This. Also, no tits. Just cleavage. Pretty surprising.
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After further inspection of the video, I think the gameplay is centered around not just killing, but mulching up your enemies as much as possible and as fast as you can. If I am correct with this assumption and some others, and the polish is there of course, I think this could be the first action game to really challenge Bayonetta at all, perhaps even surpass it! I also see hints at co-op play, so that could be interesting. I am really praying for more footage at E3 now, I am pretty certain I will love the shit out of this.
You guys know me, and I never say this but... it looks very brown.
I agree. The art and graphics overall were very underwhelming for an Itagaki game to me. Though at the same time, I do not dislike the look at all. I think the main characters have good designs, the male especially.
This. Also, no tits. Just cleavage. Pretty surprising.
He seemed upset with how pretty much sex appeal alone were what kept the Dead or Alive series as mainstream as it was and is. I would not count out tits just yet though!
But yeah, I am pretty certain this will be considered 'My game' around the forums now, like how Pao's is Vanquish and how Shadi's is... Uhh... Blade Kitten? :lol:
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After further inspection of the video, I think the gameplay is centered around not just killing, but mulching up your enemies as much as possible and as fast as you can. If I am correct with this assumption and some others, and the polish is there of course, I think this could be the first action game to really challenge Bayonetta at all, perhaps even surpass it!
Umm... bit early to be throwing out 'Bayonetta beater' isn't it? We've seen one trailer and can barely tell where CGI ends and gamepaly begins.
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After further inspection of the video, I think the gameplay is centered around not just killing, but mulching up your enemies as much as possible and as fast as you can. If I am correct with this assumption and some others, and the polish is there of course, I think this could be the first action game to really challenge Bayonetta at all, perhaps even surpass it!
Umm... bit early to be throwing out 'Bayonetta beater' isn't it? We've seen one trailer and can barely tell where CGI ends and gamepaly begins.
He said it was all gameplay.
I am just saying though that Itagaki has a good track record. Even completely unfinished titles like Ninja Gaiden II had some outstanding gameplay in it.
I only said it could really challenge it, but I dunno man, I think the original Xbox Ninja Gaiden kicks the shit out of Bayonetta. So I do not think it is going to be the hardest thing in the world for the guy to pull off.
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*hides*
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I only said it could really challenge it, but I dunno man, I think the original Xbox Ninja Gaiden kicks the shit out of Bayonetta. So I do not think it is going to be the hardest thing in the world for the guy to pull off.
no.
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I only said it could really challenge it, but I dunno man, I think the original Xbox Ninja Gaiden kicks the shit out of Bayonetta. So I do not think it is going to be the hardest thing in the world for the guy to pull off.
no.
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Bayonetta's controls are fairly poorly mapped, even Aki agreed with this! HE EVEN BROUGHT THE TOPIC UP!
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I was only talking of one moment in the whole game. And everything of Bayonetta's is superior.
So still, no.
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Bayonetta's controls are fairly poorly mapped, even Aki agreed with this! HE EVEN BROUGHT THE TOPIC UP!
The controls aren't poorly mapped, it's your fingers that are in the wrong place.
So still, no.
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I disagree, Bayonetta is far superior than Ninja Gaiden 1/2. This is from someone that did not really thing Devil May Cry was amazing.
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That is why I said 'I think' instead of 'it is'.
On the topic of Bayonetta's controls, that is like the only thing I can really think of the game besides the instant death QTEs, some weird cheap hits and vehicle scenes that could have been better. Ninja Gaiden's biggest issues were that the weapons could have been much better balanced and that platforming needed to be expanded on a bit, polished some more.
The controls aren't poorly mapped, it's your fingers that are in the wrong place.
-You cannot reset the camera when you are fighting unless you want to stop pressing buttons to move your thumb to the right stick. The only other option is locking on, and that is not always what you need. They could have easily switched the taunt to the right analog stick anyways, because you should only taunt when you are not in the middle of a fight entirely surrounded.
-The right trigger is not supposed to be pressed twice fast in succession. The best example of this is Conker on the Xbox, play that to figure out why it is a horrible idea. If you do not fully release the trigger and try to press it again the game can sometimes recognize it as breakdancing. Worse still if you do not press it fast enough you might stall from a dodge jump.
-Why does LT change weapons instead of lock on? (Yes, this one is nitpicky, but it holds water!)
This discussion could go on for hours... My point was that I THINK it could reach the level of Bayonetta's gameplay and I do not see why it POSSIBLY topping it is such an offense. It is not like this game has any unusual minecarriages.
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That is why I said 'I think' instead of 'it is'.
On the topic of Bayonetta's controls, that is like the only thing I can really think of the game besides the instant death QTEs, some weird cheap hits and vehicle scenes that could have been better. Ninja Gaiden's biggest issues were that the weapons could have been much better balanced and that platforming needed to be expanded on a bit, polished some more.
This discussion could go on for hours... My point was that I THINK it could reach the level of Bayonetta's gameplay and I do not see why it POSSIBLY topping it is such an offense. It is not like this game has any unusual minecarriages.
Well I THINK you are POSSIBLY completely wrong IMHO.
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That is why I said 'I think' instead of 'it is'.
On the topic of Bayonetta's controls, that is like the only thing I can really think of the game besides the instant death QTEs, some weird cheap hits and vehicle scenes that could have been better. Ninja Gaiden's biggest issues were that the weapons could have been much better balanced and that platforming needed to be expanded on a bit, polished some more.
This discussion could go on for hours... My point was that I THINK it could reach the level of Bayonetta's gameplay and I do not see why it POSSIBLY topping it is such an offense. It is not like this game has any unusual minecarriages.
Well I THINK you are POSSIBLY completely wrong IMHO.
That was Fluffy's line. :oops:
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I think it is true that Bayonetta is superior. I do agree with the cheap QTEs but that's like twice in the whole game. Ninja Gaiden just goes on and on with the cheap AI.
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I think it is true that Bayonetta is superior. I do agree with the cheap QTEs but that's like twice in the whole game. Ninja Gaiden just goes on and on with the cheap AI.
Give me an example. Just one would do!
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That was Fluffy's line. :oops:
Hey at least I don't have a supreme man crush on Itagaki!
ADMIT IT! :twisted:
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That was Fluffy's line. :oops:
Hey at least I don't have a supreme man crush on Itagaki!
ADMIT IT! :twisted:
Yes, I want to eat him up. His face looks like a peanut butter cookie.
But really, I am just a big fan of his work and think he has a lot of untapped talent. I do not think this is going to be the game that proves that, but I think this has a lot of neat potential, so I am looking forward to more of it, yeah.
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I think it is true that Bayonetta is superior. I do agree with the cheap QTEs but that's like twice in the whole game. Ninja Gaiden just goes on and on with the cheap AI.
Give me an example. Just one would do!
The whole games.
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This discussion could go on for hours... My point was that I THINK it could reach the level of Bayonetta's gameplay and I do not see why it POSSIBLY topping it is such an offense. It is not like this game has any unusual minecarriages.
I think it's cool you're excited for this game, but we've seen a trailer that goes for 3 minutes and theres no way it's '100% gameplay' since there are scenes from camera angles etc that you couldn't possibly control the game from.
To say it could beat any game at this stage just seems like you are jumping the gun. Wait until we get something more substantial before making claims like that.
Also, the controls in Bayonetta were fine, I might have break-danded a small handful (like maybe 10 times) while trying to dodge in the course of 60+ hours of gameplay. Not to mention you need the taunt there so you can rack up high scores.
You must just SUCK AT THE GAME REALLY BAD [/attitude of SASAR fans]
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I think it's cool you're excited for this game, but we've seen a trailer that goes for 3 minutes and theres no way it's '100% gameplay' since there are scenes from camera angles etc that you couldn't possibly control the game from.
The point was that it is all running in the engine that is used for the gameplay, besides how do you know yet? Those could be the actual camera angles!
It is just from what I saw with my assumptions I mentioned and what with Itagaki saying he wanted to do in Ninja Gaiden II, I dunno, I am just pretty certain this will turn out fantastic. I just said I think it could compare to one of the best games this gen, what is wrong with that?
Also, the controls in Bayonetta were fine, I might have break-danded a small handful (like maybe 10 times) while trying to dodge in the course of 60+ hours of gameplay. Not to mention you need the taunt there so you can rack up high scores.
I am not saying the controls sucked, I am saying they are poorly mapped in some places. Look at my list on the last page for some examples!
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The point was that it is all running in the engine that is used for the gameplay, besides how do you know yet? Those could be the actual camera angles!
Yes they COULD be, but I don't know. Thats why I'm not saying it will be of a certain level of quality or be better than other games.
I am not saying the controls sucked, I am saying they are poorly mapped in some places. Look at my list on the last page for some examples!
I disagree.
Besides we all know the real issue with Bayonetta is that there is no emotional investment in the first 3 minutes of gameplay and that a small handful of combos are hard to do if you have bad hand-eye coordination. I know because I have 15/1000 gamerscore for it.
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Holy shit! Looks better than Bayonetta!!!
Sega should do something about this!! ;p
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Holy shit! Looks better than Bayonetta!!!
Sega should do something about this!! ;p
Oh you!
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After further inspection of the video, I think the gameplay is centered around not just killing, but mulching up your enemies as much as possible and as fast as you can. If I am correct with this assumption and some others, and the polish is there of course, I think this could be the first action game to really challenge Bayonetta at all, perhaps even surpass it!
Umm... bit early to be throwing out 'Bayonetta beater' isn't it? We've seen one trailer and can barely tell where CGI ends and gamepaly begins.
He said it was all gameplay.
I am just saying though that Itagaki has a good track record. Even completely unfinished titles like Ninja Gaiden II had some outstanding gameplay in it.
I only said it could really challenge it, but I dunno man, I think the original Xbox Ninja Gaiden kicks the shit out of Bayonetta. So I do not think it is going to be the hardest thing in the world for the guy to pull off.
>.>
<,<
*hides*
Oh I agree Ninja Gaiden is the best action game there is , it ways better than Bay or DMC series , its combat system is the best there is .
NG II is also a far better game than Bay . I loved bay, but compared to the Ninja Gaiden series its 2nd best , I also think DMC (the 1st game) is a better game
Itagaki is the main man
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No way ;ppp Bayo is better than Devil and Ninja Gayden.
I just hate the system Kamiya uses: battles counted. You have to beat the enemies on that closed square, room, whatever, and they count everything you do to make your score. I hate that thing... it should be open area, more freedom to beat enemies.
A single mistake in Bayo, and you got low scored. Fuck that!
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lol Don't hate sucking at a game STORM!
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I understand that the thread has gone into dissing other action games but I'd just like to say that I'm going to have to see a lot more gameplay before I can get interested. I dunno, I'm just not clicking with this game at the moment.
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Yes they COULD be, but I don't know. Thats why I'm not saying it will be of a certain level of quality or be better than other games.
The trailer itself says the game is a masterpiece!
But seriously, I am looking forward to more gameplay videos of it, and I can agree that there is nothing really solid about whether or not it will turn out great. I just have faith in the guy, and I think he has made the best 3D action adventure game out there, and thought Ninja Gaiden II would have beaten the shit out of the first game if they had a longer amount of time to work on it and Tecmo did not constantly try to add stuff that 'improved' it, so of course I am excited.
Oh I agree Ninja Gaiden is the best action game there is , it ways better than Bay or DMC series , its combat system is the best there is .
NG II is also a far better game than Bay . I loved bay, but compared to the Ninja Gaiden series its 2nd best , I also think DMC (the 1st game) is a better game
Itagaki is the main man
What makes me prefer Ninja Gaiden over other action games is that it feels like a good meshing of an adventure and general action, while Bayonetta feels more like just part of the evolution of beat em ups with some other stuff in it. Both are great on their own terms though I think.
I could go on for hours about this, but we should all be talking about Devil's Third instead!
I will be the first to say it. I do not like the title of the game, and do not know what it is supposed to mean.
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New art and info. Some bombshells here, folks! Like all of what we saw there was of the multiplayer mode (campaign to be revealed later) and that the game is only 5-10% finished!! Extremely impressive, but it sucks that I need to wait so long for the full game!!
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On the combat system:
Eurogamer: You've got guns in there as well as swords. Is there anything you can say about the combat system you've gone for and how the game is controlled?
Tomonobu Itagaki: The Ninja Gaiden games I've worked on before were kind of a hackandslash experience - combat with weapons. And of course there are games like Devil May Cry. So first of all I would say even though you can see things that look like both of those games, I want to make sure people don't confuse it and think that the game we're doing is either a Ninja Gaiden-type game or a Devil May Cry-type game.
Gamers who pay close attention to the trailer will notice there's a substantial difference there. So if you think of it as a shooting game that includes a level of melee combat and fighting that has never been done in a shooting game before, that's a good way to think of it.
The reasons for wanting to do this kind of game are that we were looking at the shooting genre and think someone should take it to the next level, and I think this is a good way to do it.
Also I want to have more realistic elements of military combat - and that's one thing where Danny and I have very similar tastes. We're both very knowledgeable about real military combat weapons. And we like killing each other [laughs].
About him 'hating' the PlayStation 3
Eurogamer: Something you were quite famous for during the period you were developing Ninja Gaiden for Xbox 360 was your distaste for the PS3 and its complexity. Do you still feel that way or have you changed your mind?
Tomonobu Itagaki: Well you know, when I'm talking to girls, I'll say I like one more than the other, but when we're talking about hardware I really don't have much preference. When I was speaking about hardware, [it was] if I were to build the machine, maybe I would do it that way, but it's kind of an engineering approach discussion - I have no emotional involvement in the issue.
About appeal, audiences, development and multiplayer
Tomonobu Itagaki: I have a clear policy on this, and that is that you can't make a game focused for any group of people - you have to make it a game that appeals to people in general. We need to make a game that has central themes anyone can understand and appreciate.
There's also something I want to say about the story. We can't talk about the story yet, but I believe in any shooting game up to this point, none has had a story as big and involved and elaborate as this one.
And I also think that the multiplayer - really, single-player and multiplayer are both the main modes of this game. The multiplayer will also be really very fun. So the game itself is maybe 10 per cent done, but I'd say the "battle engine" is at about a beta state now. So when we had Danny and everybody out to the studio in Tokyo to play the demo, after 15 minutes everyone was just playing games and the meeting kind of fell apart.
This is the first time I've made a shooting game, but I am a veteran at making games that involve competition between people, so I feel confident that we can bring that core essence of competitive gameplay to the shooting genre as well.
There are more interviews with him, but this pretty much sums it all up. Though it needs to be stated that this is not part of THQ's partners program, it was a deal set up with the vice president of 'core games' at THQ. THQ also is helping with the PlayStation 3 development of the game. Interesting stuff.
So pretty much confirmed Itagaki is still the man and y'all be hatin'. :roll:
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God bless shotguns.
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5-10%? What we saw was CG then. 5-10% doesn't even plan the game.
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5-10%? What we saw was CG then. 5-10% doesn't even plan the game.
This is Itagaki, so what he says as a percentage is what he means by what he thinks means the game is done. He will polish the shit out of the game. Remember, Ninja Gaiden was originally supposed to be on the Saturn, then the Dreamcast, then the PlayStation 2 then finally the Xbox and even that took some time.
In the interview they talked about how his team and THQ staff would play it against one another for hours. What we saw in the trailer was the real deal.
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Testing is the major part of any development process. But it's not 95%... When did he start his company anyway? There must not be much of the game itself completed.
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So, it's WET but with a guy instead of Rubi.
Pass.
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The trailer clearly shows a little cleavage. What are you on, Mang?
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The trailer clearly shows a little cleavage. What are you on, Mang?
Oh so it's just DOA with guns.
Pass.
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Testing is the major part of any development process. But it's not 95%... When did he start his company anyway? There must not be much of the game itself completed.
Six months ago.
Oh so it's just DOA with guns.
Pass.
So The King of Fighters is Street Fighter with tight jeans on everyone.
Pass.
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No wonder fluffy loves KOF. Or at least the ones with little boys.
In any event, I was just riling you up, I'm actually interested in seeing how this pans out.
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He has not revealed directly if he likes the PS3 or not, so I assume he still hating the console ;p
THQ owns the IP? I have not understood this part...
I'm really excited about this title, looks better than Bayonetta XD This is so good! Too bad Sega is not the publisher; I wanted to see Itagaki working with Sega anytime.
Someone should send the trailer link to Kamiya right now :afroman: