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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Barry the Nomad on June 13, 2010, 08:55:32 pm
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We'll find out for certain Monday, but it looks like Microsoft's will reveal a slim Xbox 360 and will call its "Project Natal" motion-capture system "Kinect."
USA Today and Kotaku reported the new name Sunday after an online advertisement was posted early on an Italian gaming website (video below via Kotaku). The ad showed a new Xbox model and touted its compatibility with something called Kinect.
And, as we all know, Microsoft is poised to announce the official name, price and launch date of what has heretofore been known as Project Natal during its keynote Monday before the Electronic Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles. Sunday evening, the company is hosting a Kinect launch party featuring a performance by Cirque du Soliel.
On May 4, I reported that Microsoft had filed a trademark application for "Kinect," though I wondered back then whether it was connected to its new Kin phones. But Kinect makes sense for the Project Natal peripheral, since gamers can use their whole bodies as controllers. You know, like kinetics.
USA Today also reported that Microsoft will announce perhaps seven games in development for Kinect:
* "Kinectimals," which let's the gamer train and play with 20 different virtual animals.
* "Joyride" – a racing game, perhaps like the one seen in Natal demos.
* "Kinect Sports," which includes boxing, bowling, beach volleyball, track and field, soccer and table tennis.
* "Kinect Adventures," in which players ride a raft down an obstacle-course river.
* "Dance Central" – think "Dance Dance Revolution" without the mat.
* and games developed by Disney and LucasArts, featuring Disney and "Star Wars" characters.
The slim Xbox 360 reportedly will have built-in Wi-Fi and 250 GB of hard drive storage.
Seattlepi.com will have plenty more information Monday during and after Microsoft's keynote at E3. It is scheduled to start at 10:30 a.m. PDT and will be broadcast live on Spike TV and GameTrailers.com. There should also be news on upcoming games "Halo: Reach," "Gears of War 3" and "Fable III."
http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/arc ... blog_last3 (http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/210958.asp?from=blog_last3)
http://kotaku.com/5562387/new-xbox-360- ... e=true&s=i (http://kotaku.com/5562387/new-xbox-360-coming-project-natal-gets-renamed?skyline=true&s=i)
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I already said it in other forums. Both horrible. Also:
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Nice name.
The games announced for it all seem like Eyetoy/Wii rip offs. What happen about being original? Also; making Joyride Kinect only is a low fucking blow.
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Kinect I can live with. Cross between kinetic and connect, works for me. I'm reminded of the episode of Futurama in which there are only two words in the universe that are not yet copyrighted: "Popplers" and "Zittzers". In this day and age there really isn't much else to call it.
The "slim", however, I'm very "meh" for me. I like the original 360. That "slim" model looks like a modded PC. Wi-fi and 250 gigs is awesome, however.
I'll restrain from accepting either as true until tomorrow's big show.
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What an ugly console! And what the fuck are these games??
I'm calling this bullshit until I actually see the MS conference..
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I'm guessing the games, if real, will all be on a compilation list or download via XBLA. I could see all of those fitting on one 360 disc packed in with the natal/kinect device.
I'm really excited to see what Lucasarts has planned.
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I like how George is freaking out.
First thing I thought of when I saw the name was Kinetica for the PlayStation 2. What an awesome game, but how could a game with cyborgs in thongs be bad? SEQUEL NOW, SONY!
Also, even though I am not crazy about the new console, I think Microsoft needs a new one more than ever, and I am certain it will help them more than the smaller model helped Sony.
I'm guessing the games, if real, will all be on a compilation list or download via XBLA. I could see all of those fitting on one 360 disc packed in with the natal/kinect device.
I'm really excited to see what Lucasarts has planned.
Yeah, I think these will all be download only or sold separate for much smaller prices.
As for the Star Wars and Disney character mixup... Uhh... I will wait to see what it is first.
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Not liking something =/= freaking out.
Joyride best be non Kentic support. I do not want this piece of shit add-on.
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Calling something 'horrible', 'rip-offs' and 'shit' for things we have not seen at all is indeed freaking out.
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I just noticed, Disney and Star Wars? What the fuck!
And I can't say Kinect! I'm struggling here!
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Calling something 'horrible', 'rip-offs' and 'shit' for things we have not seen at all is indeed freaking out.
But the games are not original, they are rip offs. Stating facts = freaking out. Stop being so defensive. Microsoft is making this a 'unique experience' but have showed nothing but horrible games that are nothing new.
I said the same thing about Move Party from Sony.
Nintendogs/Eyepet = Kinectimals (.... seriously amazing name)
Wiisports = Kinect Sports
Wiiplay = Kinect Adventures
We Dance = Dance Central
I mean, really? How can I not call them a rip off. They are even doing the 'use the name of the console/addon in the title' like wii. This thread is about the two announcements at question, don't be angry cuz I have my opinion on the situation.
This is not about their E3 stuff, this is about the two announcements posted by Barry.
Just saying, its hard to give two shits when Wii did this 4 years ago and some titles where done by Sony last generation.
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But the games are not original, they are rip offs. Stating facts = freaking out. Stop being so defensive. Microsoft is making this a 'unique experience' but have showed nothing but horrible games that are nothing new.
Then say they are not original? Lots of games take ideas from other games... Oh wait, pretty much every game ever made since we were alive have done this. Uncharted took gameplay concepts from Gears of War, so I guess Uncharted is completely not worth playing at all?
I am not really being defensive about this, just pointing out you are unfairly judging it. I do not like Kinect from how it is turning out, either.
Nintendogs/Eyepet = Kinectimals (.... seriously amazing name)
Wiisports = Kinect Sports
Wiiplay = Kinect Adventures
We Dance = Dance Central
I mean, really? How can I not call them a rip off. They are even doing the 'use the name of the console/addon in the title' like wii. This thread is about the two announcements at question, don't be angry cuz I have my opinion on the situation.
We know absolutely nothing about those games outside of very basic descriptions. It is completely unfair to instantly call them rip-offs. I can call Sonic the Hedgehog a ripoff of Bonk's Adventure because it is a cartoony game with jumping and spinning, but it does not mean that is an actual fact, come on now!
And games adding the name of their platform is something that has been done since before we are born. Are you seriously going to add that to an argument or did you forget about the boom of it with the Nintendo 64?
Also, not sure how you can compare a rafting game to Wii Play...
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I'm staying out of that argument. :P
Didn't Microsoft say before that they would allow cameras to capture their Natal/Kinect demo? What the heck happened to that?
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Kinect is a complete joke that's almost doomed to fail . I'm sorry MS the real barrier to gaming is not the controls , but the price of the games them self's . And while if True is nice to be getting a 360 slim with Wi-Fi Built in , if that's the final design it looks hideous, and the HD really should have been 500 Gig.
Its makes me quite sick to see the amount of money SONY and MS have pored into their rubbish motion controllers. Its not fun to use your body to play games for long periods of time, if you can't handle a pad, then gaming really isn't for you :(
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Jesus, Sanus is so defensive about people having an opinion about news.
Seems like Kotaku agrees with me
Kinect Sports, the most obvious clone of a Wii title, includes beach volleyball (which has Xbox Live multiplayer), bowling, hurdles, javelin and soccer.
Kinectamals, meanwhile, is looking a lot like the cross between EyePet and Nintendogs you already think it is, as we were shown a girl training her pet tiger, as well as directly interacting with it through things like being able to pet the kitty
Also shown off was a video chat service, called...Video Chat, which uses the Natal camera to let you chat with other Xbox 360 users.
PS3 has had this since PS Eye came out. Is this really new?
http://kotaku.com/5562532/our-first-loo ... s-software (http://kotaku.com/5562532/our-first-look-at-natals-new-games-software)
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Also shown off was a video chat service, called...Video Chat, which uses the Natal camera to let you chat with other Xbox 360 users.
PS3 has had this since PS Eye came out. Is this really new?
http://kotaku.com/5562532/our-first-loo ... s-software (http://kotaku.com/5562532/our-first-look-at-natals-new-games-software)
No because the DC had it , the original X-Box in Japan had it, and well the 360 already has the feature with LIVE Vision, I sure you remember LIVE Vision that Eye Toy Killer lol
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Yeah, I thought it had it. I remember the epidemic with penis' on Uno. Not very impressive news here.
Also here is a PR video from Microsoft:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/pla ... 1411807001 (http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid30317506001?bctid=91411807001)
It even has lag in there. For being so advance, it is offering, so far, very unadvance games. This whole video is a total copy and paste of how Nintendo marketed the wii, even the games look like the same concepts, along with the cheesy actors. At least Wii had some core games to show off (Hide behind a couch, shooting people)
Also another AAA title announced:
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/14/kinec ... eil-event/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/14/kinect-yoga-game-debuts-at-cirque-de-soleil-event/)
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Jesus, Sanus is so defensive about people having an opinion about news.
The problem is that you are not giving it a fair opinion. Just because games sound alike does not mean shit, at least wait for some basic footage of actual games. Come on man, is it really that hard to understand? Why are you posting opinions from other sites anyways? How does that help? You always make fun of Eastside for it...
Also, why is Wii Sports being considered such a revolutionary title now? It is not like it was the first game to mix together sporting events...
Kinect is a complete joke that's almost doomed to fail . I'm sorry MS the real barrier to gaming is not the controls , but the price of the games them self's . And while if True is nice to be getting a 360 slim with Wi-Fi Built in , if that's the final design it looks hideous, and the HD really should have been 500 Gig.
Its makes me quite sick to see the amount of money SONY and MS have pored into their rubbish motion controllers. Its not fun to use your body to play games for long periods of time, if you can't handle a pad, then gaming really isn't for you :(
Of course they are pouring tons of money into this kind of stuff, everyone wants to be the first to have the next big thing. This kind of stuff has been done ever since videogame consoles starting get rivals, and it will never change.
I think if it launches for over $100 USD it will fail (rumored to be 150), but anything below and I think it has a very good chance. Also filter in that the bundle with the new model is rumored to be $300, which sounds like a very solid deal to me.
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So I should not have an opinion in this topic? So barry posted news for all of us to share the same thoughts as you?
Great. Remember when God of War III was shown at E3, you did not wait to play it to judge that. Wiisports was free. No one said it was revolutionary and it did not win game of the year awards.
My point still stands, why would a consumer by the same type of games that they can get for Wii and cheaper? This is my opinion to the news. If you dislike it because it differs from yours, great. I don't care. You can whine all you want. It is not that hard to understand. Barry posted a news story, I posted my opinion. You had no issue with me saying Devil's Third looked amazing, because it shared your opinion. I see.
Also Kotaku's thing was not an opinion, its an observation. I think you are the only one saying its not like Wii stuff.
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Of course they are pouring tons of money into this kind of stuff, everyone wants to be the first to have the next big thing. This kind of stuff has been done ever since videogame consoles starting get rivals, and it will never change.
Its not the next BIG Thing , SONY been there and done it, and failing that everyone and their Mum owns a Wii and Wi Sports Ect .
The thing is, you can't beat playing games with a pad.
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Now I know why Sanus is so defensive:
(http://http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/109/1096874/kinect-20100613113259660.jpg)
Also, Giantbomb said more than half the 'gameplay' shown was pre-recorded. Some leak footage of the Starwars game is pretty bad, the character moves way before the guy playing. Very advance hardware.
Hopefully today Microsoft impresses.
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I'm quite sure that both Natal/Kinect and Move are going to be JUST as shit as the Wii. But I've taken no interest in either of them... or the Wii.
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I'm quite sure that both Natal/Kinect and Move are going to be JUST as shit as the Wii. But I've taken no interest in either of them... or the Wii.
Missing out on a lot of great games then.
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I'm quite sure that both Natal/Kinect and Move are going to be JUST as shit as the Wii. But I've taken no interest in either of them... or the Wii.
Missing out on a lot of great games then.
No I haven't I didn't say I haven't played the Wii. I've had one sitting in a box in my room for ages now for when the odd game I can't miss comes out. I just think it's a really shitty console.
At least with the 360 and ps3 the main focus isnt on the waggller. I can still get games that don't try to incorporate that POS.
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This is going to be an absolute failure and even more reason for Microsoft's shareholders getting worried how the company spends it's money. I can already foresee Microsoft not making much, if any, money from this product after all the research, development, marketing etc placed into this product.
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Did anyone call?
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You're not here for Mr Gaming are you?
Please don't come for Mr Gaming, he's a nice chap, leave him alone, he still has a few years left in him, doesn't he? =[
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The new 360 is uglier than the original Xbox and the original 360. Microsoft outdoing themselves yet again.
(http://http://i48.tinypic.com/wh0ah1.gif)
It can read minds. Holy shit, now I'm impressed.....
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Didn't MS lost their best designer a couple months ago?
The original Xbox is one of the best looking consoles ever, right next to the Saturn. Big, imposing, yet captivating and appellative.
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My thoughts and opinions:
Natal- er... Kinect
Gonna take a while for my brain to make the transition. It's still "Project Natal" to me. Anyway, I do appreciate the new name. It fits and makes a helluva lot more sense than the rumored "Wave". Kinetics + Conneting = Kinect. Works.
Kinect tech
Since the introduction, I've always found it to be a rather cool piece of tech that has continued to surprise me over time. I appreciate that it's different enough from the Wii and implements voice recognition and full body movement. I also like that it isn't bringing in more goddamn peripherals (more on the PS3's Move in a bit). I see a lot of awesome potential, and I really do think that within the next week we'll be seeing some cool offerings from publishers other than internal MS studios.
The Mini-game compilations
Oh come on, George. You didn't see this coming? Every new piece of tech, be it the Wii, iPod Touch, iPad and even the Move, comes with an assortment of simple games to show off what the device can do. It's just a standard ploy to bring in the average consumer. Sure Kinect and the other devices I mentioned have lame mini-games, but they also have the potential for some very cool games that go well beyond the standard sports and pet sims. If anything, MS would be stupid NOT to release a line of simple games spanning sports, pets, dancing, etc. It brings in the casual gamers. MS would truly be up shit creek without a paddle had they only showed off oddities like Milo and super trippy Japanese games that only consist of lights, colors and old asian men in waffle suits.
Potential
While the Star Wars demo was obviously scripted (save for the lightsaber battle which some claim to be real), it showed exactly what I'd like to see from Kinect. Full body interaction action games would be the bombdiggity. Add in some very unique hardcore oddities (I'm really hoping SEGA and Q! bring us something) and you can count me in for a pre-order. Of course, only if the price is right. $100 is a day one for me. $150 is a slight maybe, as long as it includes a slew of games. Oh, and I really like the controller-free menu nav. Yeah, yeah. It's sorta stupid, but I really want to shout "POWER UP" and do some "Minority Report" moves to access NetFlix. :P
The competition: Move
I consider Move to be a much simpler sell than the Kinect. It's essentially a more accurate Wiimote with HD graphics. Any consumer can understand that, right? While easy to comprehend, it's too bad the Wii had 4 years worth of games implementing similar tech. I really don't see the average consumer who already owns a Wii going out and dropping $75-$100 for a Move package. It's more of the same on powerful hardware. Also, consider all the shit one has to buy just to realize Sony's ultimate concept:
PS3 $300
PS Eye $40
Move package $70-$100
Additional Move controller $40?
= $480, give or take
1 player standard control, 2 player Move control
But wait, let's get a 3D TV! Sony is pushing 3D as well!
Sony 46" Bravia $3,500
2 pairs of glasses $140 (assuming the TV came with one), $280 (assuming it didn't)
3D “synchro transmitter” $60
= an additional $3,840, so $4,300 total for the complete 2 player Move experience in 3D
Now I'll do a rundown of the 360:
360 elite 120 GB $300
Kinect $100 - $150
12 months Gold $34
=$435 - $480
1 player standard control, 4+ Kinect control
To keep it fair, let's buy a TV.
Sony 46" LCD TV 1080p $800
= $1235 - $1280 for Microsoft's ultimate vision. Not as grand as Sony, but a third of Sony's asking price and much more unique.
Final verdict
Don't have one yet. We'll see what today's show brings and what publishers will have to show at E3. Thus far, I'm leaning toward liking it.
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Btw: more images:
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Why not a 3DTV for Xbox as well? MS will eventually put it on the 360 too.
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I didn't add a 3DTV for the 360 as MS has yet to announce it and as of yet does not seem to have interest in it outside of some early testing in South Korean markets.
Plus I don't see MS pushing for 3D gaming as much as Sony as MS isn't in the 3D tv market. Sony has more to gain than MS does in terms of pushing the tech.
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I'm quite sure that both Natal/Kinect and Move are going to be JUST as shit as the Wii. But I've taken no interest in either of them... or the Wii.
Missing out on a lot of great games then.
No I haven't I didn't say I haven't played the Wii. I've had one sitting in a box in my room for ages now for when the odd game I can't miss comes out. I just think it's a really shitty console.
At least with the 360 and ps3 the main focus isnt on the waggller. I can still get games that don't try to incorporate that POS.
I still own my Wi, and its the worst gaming console I've owned bar the Jaguar . Its a complete and utter joke for the most part .
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Barry, the competition for Natal or Kinect is not MOVE. it is the Wii and its 199.99. I love how you just added 3DTV to push Natal on everyone. What does this have to do with motion controller?
No one is asking you to buy a 3DTV, it is a free update for owners that already have it and its making 2D games better. So I love it.
That is as bad a Sony sometimes.
360: $299.99
Natal: $180
HDTV: $1,000
5 years of gold: $250
HDMI monster cables: $100
Bluray Player: $200
Wifi adapter: $100
So on, so on. Like I said, this Move and Natal are to take audience away from Wii and I don't think they understand that no one does what Nintendo does better than .... Nintendo.
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AHHHH!!! Fuck the blu-ray player!!! It's PS2 all over again!!!
I remember back in the Dreamcast days, I was always told that to make a proper comparison I had to add a DVD player to the price of a Dreamcast simply because the PS2 had it. Horrible horrible memories. We're comparing gaming machines, not media centers. Comparing prices for consoles and motion controllers I'm all for, as those contribute directly to gaming. But saying a blu-ray must be added on to the price of a 360 is pure bullshit.
As for these:
360: $299.99 agreed
Natal: $180 pure speculation, in one hour THEN we can make proper numbers
HDTV: $1,000 agreed, though one can find some great deals. I say closer to $800
5 years of gold: $250 bullshit. $34 (amazon price) times 5 = $170
HDMI monster cables: $100 bullshit again. ebay=$15.
Bluray Player: $200see above
Wifi adapter: $100slim version having it built-in could make this irrelevant, but I agree when talking about the standard 360. Even so, ebay=$25-$50
I promise to hold off on unconfirmed PS3 estimates if you stop giving incorrect confirmed 360 estimates.
As for 3DTV, while it is an option, Sony has given 3DTV a HUGE push to the point of it being their ideal PS3 set-up. An option, yes, but a fucking expensive one.
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3DTV is not needed for games. If you have a 3DTV its great, but I don't and don't want one. Microsoft and Sony always push games, does that mean we need every single one?
You don't have 3D on 360. Does it effect you? In your opinion, you need 3-D. Sell your 360. Sorry that logic does not make sense or have anything to do with motion controllers.
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I can't believe you guys don't get that the Xbox isn't about having everything. It's about having what you use.
MY EXAMPLE:
Xbox Arcade + 6 games: 150 euro
used 20gig HD: 20 euro
extra madcatz pro controller: 25 euro
(i don't play online, so no live gold)
(i connect by RJ-45 no need for wifi)
low-end Samsung HDTV: 400 euro
cheap HDMI cable: 10 euro
(bluray player? I download HD movies off the net..I'd use netflix if it was available here)
so in total, with 605 euros I get a new TV, an Xbox, 6 games and 2 controllers.
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Okay, I'll admit that 3DTV isn't a "must have" to enjoy games, but Sony is really pushing it as the next big thing. Anywho, press show is in 9 mins so all will be revealed soon. Perhaps 360 will reveal 3D? I don't care for 3D, however, so I won't be selling my 360 any time soon. :mrgreen:
btw, Bentley Jones is rumored to be dead. Spread the news!
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I don't want 3-D. I mean, I know there will be a time where all TVs will have the tech build in and I'm glad my PS3 is a bluray player that is not obsolete and gets free updates for new tech like 3-D.
I'm also glad that Sony doubled the framerate in Super Stardust HD in 2-D in their 3-D update. Not to mention it now runs in full 1080p. Awesome. If 3-D means Sony will make all my 2-D games better, then great.
But this is about motion controllers, not about avatar and James Camron.
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To be fair, Wii was a very silly name in comparison.
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(http://http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/8291/32x.jpg)
Pretty much.
Though to be fair, I actually like the 32X a lot, and I thought the Kinect games we saw were pretty alright looking.
THOUGH OBVIOUSLY KINECT ADVENTURES IS A RIPOFF OF WII PLAY EVEN THOUGH WII PLAY DOES NOT HAVE RAFTING OR EVEN ANY LIQUIDS OF ANY KIND!
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I liked the 32X too. It was a great way to get an arcade-perfect port of Space Harrier. I had fun with a lot of the other games on it too, at the time. The only thing I didn't like was that the games were in cheap cardboard boxes. Just because something isn't successful doesn't necessarily mean it isn't good.
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Did 32x have 4 fitness games as launch games? NOPE.
List of launch games:
Kinect Adventures (Microsoft Game Studios)
Kinectimals (Frontier Studio/Microsoft Game Studios)
Kinect Joy Ride (Big Park/Microsoft Game Studios)
Kinect Sports (Rare/Microsoft Game Studios)
Dance Central (MTV Games)
Your Shape: Fitness Evolved (Ubisoft)
EA Sports Active 2 (EA)
Deca Sports Freedom (Hudson)
Dance Masters (Konami)
Adrenalin Misfits (Konami)
Zumba Fitness (Majesco)
Sonic Free Riders (Sega)
The Biggest Loser: Ultimate Workout (THQ)
Motion Sports (Ubisoft)
Game Party: In Motion (Warner Bros.)
Good to see Rare came back with a shovelware title.
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Did 32x have 4 fitness games as launch games? NOPE.
Were workout games popular at all back then? I honestly cannot think of a single game.
Anyways, 15 launch titles with like 10 more announced. That is already more games than the 32X. L O L
SEGA should call up Ed Annunziatta to make Kolibri 2 for Kinect!!
UPDATE: Kinect requires a special adapter to work with old Xbox 360 models. WOOOPS!
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I did not care for 32x, but at least not all the titles announced sucked.
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I was asking a real question. I am not sure the comparison is fair, but I did not know for certain as I cannot think of a single workout game in the 90s.
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DDR is the closest workout game that I can think of.
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Did 32x have 4 fitness games as launch games? NOPE.
List of launch games:
Kinect Adventures (Microsoft Game Studios)
Kinectimals (Frontier Studio/Microsoft Game Studios)
Kinect Joy Ride (Big Park/Microsoft Game Studios)
Kinect Sports (Rare/Microsoft Game Studios)
Dance Central (MTV Games)
Your Shape: Fitness Evolved (Ubisoft)
EA Sports Active 2 (EA)
Deca Sports Freedom (Hudson)
Dance Masters (Konami)
Adrenalin Misfits (Konami)
Zumba Fitness (Majesco)
Sonic Free Riders (Sega)
The Biggest Loser: Ultimate Workout (THQ)
Motion Sports (Ubisoft)
Game Party: In Motion (Warner Bros.)
Good to see Rare came back with a shovelware title.
32X launch titles:
* Doom
* Star Wars Arcade
* Virtua Racing Deluxe
Funny how it is easier to name 3 good ones out of the 32X :D
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I miss that little mushroom.