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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Suzuki Yu on September 18, 2010, 12:28:35 am
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i don't know what to think of this at the moment .
but at least it's more interesting than the previous Shining titles IMO .
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The gameplay looks nice, the art style turns me off so meh. I can take some of that girly stuff in anime, but it seems too much in this game. Than again, this is called shining hearts and japan has a lot of female rpg players
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I'm irritated by 3 things.
1) A huge staple of the series, Beastmen, Werewolves, Centaours, Birdmen, Dragonites and so on have all been either left out or relegated to a small side cast or enemies and replaced with generic anime looking humans in slutty outfits.
2) The art direction is just so damn uninspired... It could EASILY be any old anime or cheap, crappy, low budget JRPG... (Old complaint though)
3)... It isn't Shining Force 4.
THAT SAID, I'm interested to see more based on the actual small bit of gameplay.
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1) A huge staple of the series, Beastmen, Werewolves, Centaours, Birdmen, Dragonites and so on have all been either left out or relegated to a small side cast or enemies
Yeah, I don't like that, either.
Shining Force EXA has a lot of furries in it, including the giant beast Duga and the cute dog boy, Firklin.
and replaced with generic anime looking humans in slutty outfits.
Wait, you think these outfits are "slutty", but you have no problem playing a game where a girl in tight black clothing strips naked for the enjoyment of male players? o_O
Just sayin'...
2) The art direction is just so damn uninspired... It could EASILY be any old anime or cheap, crappy, low budget JRPG...
This is sorta true, certainly as far as the "harem full of moe girls" aspect goes. I can say without hesitation that I like Pako's design work better than Tony Taka's.
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I like how the exploring looks, but it just makes me want to play that Ys game on the PSP instead. This just seems so uninspired that it almost hurts to watch be made.
Wait, you think these outfits are "slutty", but you have no problem playing a game where a girl in tight black clothing strips naked for the enjoyment of male players? o_O
Just sayin'...
You obviously do not know what you are talking about or anything about Bayonetta and are not even willing to give it a try or understand that her design is both a parody and a great empowerment to females in general, so shut up about it and get a life.
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her design is a parody
Ah, I knew one of you guys would say that. It was just too predictable. But don't worry, Sanus. Predictability isn't necessarily a bad thing. (http://http://forums.sega.com/images/icons/icon7.gif)
Parody or not, it's still far more slutty than a girl who's showing no cleavage whatsoever - let alone not having a slow-motion zoom-in shot of her crotch like Bayonetta had.
(http://http://www.famitsu.com/image/10533/KuR5r21eR5OTtZz5n24V93Nt691RLhuU.jpg)
^If a person is morally outraged by this outfit, then they have no business playing Bayonetta.
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You do realize in Shining Hearts you can get any of the girls to fall in love and fight for you? In Bayonetta everyone that is interested in her is completely shot down and makes a complete fool of themselves completely.
Watch how your point shatters entirely.
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You do realize in Shining Hearts you can get any of the girls to fall in love and fight for you? In Bayonetta everyone that is interested in her is completely shot down and makes a complete fool of themselves completely.
And that's related to outfits because...?
Watch how your supposed "point" is isn't even relevant to what we're discussing. :P
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Wait, you think these outfits are "slutty", but you have no problem playing a game where a girl in tight black clothing strips naked for the enjoyment of male players? o_O
Just sayin'...
The difference is that the Shining Force series never had 'slutty' outfits in the classic games, it does not suit the style I think of when I think Shining Force.
Also I reallllly need you to stop saying this shit about Bayonetta with out playing it. Bayonetta actually wears more and has less cleavage showing then any of these Shining Force girls. Not once do you ever, EVER see even a breast in this game...
Finally the character was created as a Strong woman... BY a woman and honestly so far I've only ever seen girls saying how much they like the character including my girlfriend who is currently doing some artwork based on the character she likes her so much.
Yes there are sexual inuendos in the game... But they are pretty much all, very cheesey jokes BY bayonetta herself... It is so light hearted and silly.
I think missing out on SUCH a great fun game for such a non-issue is silly. The game is cheap now... I suggest checking it out.
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Being a shitty slutty character isnt about how much clothes you wear. These characters suck because they're subservient uninimdating moebait otaku feed designed purely to suit moe archetypes and feed the ideals of the ronery.
The kind of people who'll be all over this would run a mile from Bayonetta because she'd crush their tiny virgin penii.
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The kind of people who'll be all over this would run a mile from Bayonetta because she'd crush their tiny virgin penii.
XD
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The difference is that the Shining Force series never had 'slutty' outfits in the classic games, it does not suit the style I think of when I think Shining Force.
There's one problem that I should point out right there. This isn't "Shining Force", it's Shining Hearts. It's from the "Shining" series, of which Shining Force was never the original game.
Bayonetta actually wears more and has less cleavage showing then any of these Shining Force girls.
Bayonetta strips naked in the game. >_> How is that wearing more? I'm confused on how you figure less is more, here.
These characters suck because they're subservient uninimdating moebait otaku feed designed purely to suit moe archetypes and feed the ideals of the ronery.
Yeah, I agree, that is how they appear, and that's why I'm not really as much of a fan of this game or its designs as much. Also, on a somewhat similar note, my mind cringes a bit at the thought of being forced into a straight dating sim when there's a perfectly good pretty boy (http://http://heath.shikokusensei.com/rpgland/scans/shininghearts04.jpg) you could be seeing instead. xP
Nonetheless, my point is that it's rather odd to condemn these characters for looking "slutty", and then turn right around and praise Bayonetta.
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Battle Video
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There's one problem that I should point out right there. This isn't "Shining Force", it's Shining Hearts. It's from the "Shining" series, of which Shining Force was never the original game.
But that makes no difference, the classic series all had a similar look and feel art wise... Nothing like these.
Bayonetta strips naked in the game. >_> How is that wearing more? I'm confused on how you figure less is more, here.
I'm talking about the majority of the time... her clothes are very covering, she isnt in a small bikini or even with a low cut top. She is completely covered.
And when she DOES have 'no clothes on' she is still more covered then any girl with a bikini on... Her hair spins around her body and you see nothing at all.
Again, try the game... It is fantastic.
Finally, I have no idea why you pretend to feel so strongly about this 'sex object' nonsense... It is extremely hypocritical when you link me pictures of furries hugging with their cocks out on MSN...
Nonetheless, my point is that it's rather odd to condemn these characters for looking "slutty", and then turn right around and praise Bayonetta.
Do you read? Again... It has nothing to do with the character designs in general and everything to do with them not suiting the series they are in... At all.
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another Shining Hearts Gameplay trailer ( better one )
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I officialy(after seeing a clear view of gameplay) like absolutly nothing about the game.
Everything about this game is unoriginal, uninspired and generic. Even the gameplay.
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Battle Video
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*watches as the pretty boy gives his hearts to the main hero...*
Wow. xD
But that makes no difference, the classic series all had a similar look and feel art wise... Nothing like these.
That's because Shining Force is extremely old, and its art style has long since been outdated.
I'm talking about the majority of the time...
But she does still strip naked, which means that she strips down to less than any girl in this game does.
So how about that the tight, form-fitting "leather" outfit that the developers themselves did zoom-in shots of and loved to ogle over? (See below) Sorry, but that's not quite a Puritanical outfit no matter how you try to spin it. =P You can't tell me that Bayonetta is never sexualized without being a complete liar.
Finally, I have no idea why you pretend to feel so strongly about this 'sex object' nonsense... It is extremely hypocritical when you link me pictures of furries hugging with their cocks out on MSN...
Because there is proof that this is how the developers viewed her. (http://http://platinumgames.com/2009/12/04/the-secrets-of-bayonettas-models/) I mean, these guys clearly wanted to make a trashy game, and that's what they delivered. :P
Not that it should offend you or anything. You've all admitted that the game is self-aware to its gutter-brained antics and said that it has fun with them. Why should you get so worked up because I happen to point out something that you already knew?
It has nothing to do with the character designs in general and everything to do with them not suiting the series they are in... At all.
Oh, you mean that series that Tony Taka's already design work for multiple times already? Yeah, Tony Taka totally doesn't fit in with Tony Taka. =P
Don't get me wrong. I don't like a lot of his design that much either, but you're just way behind the times on this, man. You can go ahead and keep saying "Every Shining game must be a strategy RPG that has a late 80's/early 90's anime art style!" like a broken record, but for those of us who can accept change, the games don't necessarily have to automatically be terrible. :P
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That's because Shining Force is extremely old, and its art style has long since been outdated.
Says the guy that shit his pants when Namco announced that crappy Sonic rip off character klonoa was going to get a new design for the new age.
But she does still strip naked, which means that she strips down to less than any girl in this game does.
So how about that the tight, form-fitting "leather" outfit that the developers themselves did zoom-in shots of and loved to ogle over? (See below) Sorry, but that's not quite a Puritanical outfit no matter how you try to spin it. =P You can't tell me that Bayonetta is never sexualized without being a complete liar.
Of course she is... But in a comical way, not a seedy way like Dead or Alive vollyball.
Sure it's tight fitting, so? so is swim ware... doesnt stop anyone wearing it at the beach...
The bottom line, that you keep ignoreing is this... The character was deigned by a woman. You ask MOST girls, all the ones I know actually love the character as a 'strong woman' and something a big different from the damzel in distress.
Not that it should offend you or anything. You've all admitted that the game is self-aware to its gutter-brained antics and said that it has fun with them. Why should you get so worked up because I happen to point out something that you already knew?
Why does it bother you so much? You have a much bigger 'gutter-brian' then anyone on this entire forum. You never stop talking about your stupid sexuality nobody gives a shit about or sending me pictures of gay furries with their dicks out.
You are horribly hypocritical...
Oh, you mean that series that Tony Taka's already design work for multiple times already? Yeah, Tony Taka totally doesn't fit in with Tony Taka. =P
Oh look Fuzzy is being difficult, cute.
You can go ahead and keep saying "Every Shining game must be a strategy RPG that has a late 80's/early 90's anime art style!" like a broken record, but for those of us who can accept change, the games don't necessarily have to automatically be terrible. :P
When did I say it was automatically terrible? In fact my article on the frount page is pretty damn optimistical about this game.
I never once said they should all be SRPGs, but those WERE the games people gave a shit about and we haven't had a good one since they brought the series back...
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They dont need to be SRPGs, they need to be GOOD.
In case you didnt notice PSO never got the hate this shit does.
As for the completely retarded argument that the artstyle is outdated, that's just hilarious because Nintendo have had great success with the Golden Sun series which has the old staff, each game in that series has sold ten times more than any of these games. This is success that should be sega's.
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You never stop talking about your stupid sexuality nobody gives a shit about or sending me pictures of gay furries with their dicks out.
Hey, can I have so-*
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Says the guy that shit his pants when Namco announced that crappy Sonic rip off character klonoa was going to get a new design for the new age.
That was an example of Westernization, actually.
Of course she is... But in a comical way, not a seedy way like Dead or Alive vollyball.
She's more like both ways.
The bottom line, that you keep ignoreing is this... The character was deigned by a woman.
So what? It's like commission work. Men are still the ones who wanted her to be that way. She got paid to do her job.
Not like it matters, though, since who drew her doesn't have anything to do with your hypocritical criticism of Shining Hearts.
When did I say it was automatically terrible? In fact my article on the frount page is pretty damn optimistical about this game.
I never once said they should all be SRPGs, but those WERE the games people gave a shit about and we haven't had a good one since they brought the series back...
"Optimistical" made me smile. xD
Those are just the general "stick in the mud" opinions I see around here time and again when talking about the Shining series. You all either complain about the fact that the artwork is actually modern, complain that a game isn't a strategy RPG, or both.
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"Modern" and "Fucking sucks" are two very different things. Everyone outside of Sharky does not give a shit if it is an sRPG or not either, and I think some of the earlier titles in the series had poor art anyways. Not sure why you are arguing about this or Bayonetta when you literally have not played Bayonetta and only played one whole game in the Shining series, you just do not what you are talking about and are trying to be argumentative just because you can be.
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"Modern" and "Fucking sucks" are two very different things. ... I think some of the earlier titles in the series had poor art anyways.
EXA's artwork is much, much, much better than the art for the old Shining Force. Yep, I said it.
But hey, it seems that you believe that the old SF had "poor art", anyway.
Not sure why you are arguing about this or Bayonetta
Go back and read the first page. You'll find your answer there.
are trying to be argumentative just because you can be.
That's not true. Whenever Sharky is ready to give up, I'm more than willing to drop the subject as well. =)
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"Modern" and "Fucking sucks" are two very different things. ... I think some of the earlier titles in the series had poor art anyways.
EXA's artwork is much, much, much better than the art for the old Shining Force. Yep, I said it.
But hey, it seems that you believe that the old SF had "poor art", anyway.
You are missing the point. It has little to do with the art, but more with the style. The first cluster of Shining games released were all taking place in the same world and therefore obviously had the same kind of settings and character types. The new design is much closer to something much more common like Final Fantasy now. It just lost a major feature that made it stand out to begin with, not to mention almost all of the new ones have nothing to do with one another, so being a fan is fairly hard now.
I think Shining Force EXA was actually easily the best of the newer games, but that does not really say much when it was just fixing basic issues games like Neo had. The story is still bland, and the characters are something out of any other similar game. It is just nothing to write home about.
That's not true. Whenever Sharky is ready to give up, I'm more than willing to drop the subject as well. =)
You want the last word in though, you always do. It is just going to get people rowdy, and you know that for a fact.
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That was an example of Westernization, actually.
Grasping at straws
She's more like both ways.
You haven't even played the game...
So what? It's like commission work. Men are still the ones who wanted her to be that way. She got paid to do her job.
She was the designer? The character was created by a woman...
I've yet to find a girl I know that hasn't found the character cool and empowering. It's only you making a fuss, if the character was a gay guy doing the same thing you would be all over this... Your entire 'disrespectful' argument fell apart when you started sending me sleazy pictures on MSN.
Not like it matters, though, since who drew her doesn't have anything to do with your hypocritical criticism of Shining Hearts.
Calling me hypocritical is the definition of pot calling the kettle black.
Not that I'm even being hypocritical... I have already told you that the reason I don't like the design of the characters in Shining Hearts is because it doesn't fit the series that I grew up on and loved.
Generally I find you have to be a bit of a fucking moron to ignore a great game because of its art style and usually it would not effect me. (Note I will buy a great game regardless of art style or characters personality.) But when you already establish a series with one art style, a very recognizable style and then you suddenly change it for one of the most cliché and boring art styles that seems like it could fit into any generic anime. That is when it becomes a problem.
I don't think you have many grounds to argue that case considering the stink you kicked up when they changed the design of that kolona rubbish.
Those are just the general "stick in the mud" opinions I see around here time and again when talking about the Shining series. You all either complain about the fact that the artwork is actually modern, complain that a game isn't a strategy RPG, or both.
I invite you to go to any Shining series fansites such as Shining Force Centreal and you'll be met with the same opinion.
So you are the only one singing out of tune? Surprise surprise... You who has only just got into this series that has been pretty run of the mill for a while now...
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The new design is much closer to something much more common like Final Fantasy now.
Um... if you think the newer SF games look anything like Final Fantasy XIII, you should see an optometrist IMMEDIATELY. :|
You want the last word in though, you always do.
And so does Sharky, I'm sure.
Grasping at straws
Nope, more like apples and oranges.
She was the designer?
More like, was she the game designer? That's the key element, here.
Calling me hypocritical is the definition of pot calling the kettle black.
Not exactly. You just have facts that are irrelevant to the issue mixed up with facts that are.
For instance, you'd say, "You look at furry porn!" as an argument, even though it is entirely irrelevant to the issue. I'm not condemning you for enjoying to look at other people in a sexual manner. If I were, then yes, I would be a hypocrite.
Side question: What if Bayonetta had been released during your childhood as an action platformer with a more modest looking woman and visual style, and this recent game was like a relaunch of the series? Would you hate the "new" Bayonetta game for its title character being replaced with a woman in a "slutty" outfit? Or would you still love the game just as much as you do now?
Generally I find you have to be a bit of a fucking moron to ignore a great game because of its art style
It's that, combined with the type of gameplay that it has (DMC clone = do not want), the (supposedly) convoluted plot, and just the sheer juvenile immaturity of what I've seen of it in previews and reviews before.
It never managed to make itself appealing to me in any fashion whatsoever.
I invite you to go to any Shining series fansites such as Shining Force Centreal and you'll be met with the same opinion.
That's okay, I'd imagine going to one of those sites with my opinions would be like visiting a retirement home while carrying around a modern cell phone in plain sight.
Boy, would I ever get a lecture about what was right "back in the day"...
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That's okay, I'd imagine going to one of those sites with my opinions would be like visiting a retirement home while carrying around a modern cell phone in plain sight.
Since I run one of "those sites" may I say a very sincere fuck you. If you want to make the childish argument that people are stuck in the past then you really are grasping at straws. Everyone enjoyed Valkyria, will be buying Golden Sun DS and is looking forward to PSO2
so that's:
-a completely different sega SRPG by a different team with a different artstyle that's very modern in gameplay ideas
-a completely different style of RPG from the old developers
-a game that completely changed from what the old games were about but is still good
so really, go ahead and try to make your bullshit ad hominem argument about the fanbase
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so really, go ahead and try to make your bullshit ad hominem argument about the fanbase
...why didn't you just explain that the members weren't the grizzly ol' veterans I was imagining them to be without having to lose your head over it? I seriously thought that what Sharky said was true.
I'm sorry for the jesting generalization. I didn't know anyone would get so crazy offended over it. x_x
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These ARE the same old grizzled veterans though, you're the one who projected the idea that we're not open to change, we are, we're just not open to shit.
An RPG needs at least one of these to be anyway good:
Good story
Good characters
Good gameplay
There games have none of the above, they're sold off the back of "sexy" characters drawn by a hentai artist so much so that the games are basically an afterthought and all they want is to sell models of the girls you can strip the clothes off in anime shops. They've veered down this path so strongly that they've stripped the games of all "furry" characters because they might offend the boners of the otaku.
Honestly I find it bizarre that'd you're arguing FOR a series that had furry and gay characters removing them and pandering to moe girl casts :p
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These ARE the same old grizzled veterans though, you're the one who projected the idea that we're not open to change, we are, we're just not open to shit.
I sure hope that the others can handle a joke better, at least. xP
Honestly I find it bizarre that'd you're arguing FOR a series that had furry and gay characters removing them and pandering to moe girl casts :p
I'm actually not arguing for it at all. I've already said that I don't care for Taka's designs all that much, and I'd prefer ones by pako.
I'm just puzzled why Sharky is so bothered by these girls but has no problem with Bayonetta or, for a better example that I should have used before, hostess clubs and hostess dating in Yakuza. It has nothing to do with me defending the game so much as it is a personal curiosity.
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New or old, I don't care. Art design can change, as long as its a positive change.
Bayonetta is a new franchise, new series. Its art style and characters are set already. I would complain if Bayonetta 2 has a buffed up, greasy, hairy man as a the lead character; just as much as I complain about the new Shining designs.
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if Bayonetta 2 has a buffed up, greasy, hairy man as a the lead character
(http://http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/5200/zangiefsmile.png)
Suddenly, my interest in Bayonetta 2 was piqued.
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Again, you think too much with your dick and not with your head. I'm sorry, you remind me of a 13 year old pervy kid.
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What, you think I'm attracted to Zangief or something?
Sorry, but no. You are mistaken, sir. :P
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Of course, he is not 12 years old.
You have no issue with Zangief in his underwear, but a woman in a bikini or even in a full leather suit, angers you? You are sexist. Poor Zangief.
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Lol, I'm not a pedophile, either.
That's not Zangief's underwear, it's his wrestling outfit. :P You don't wear a shirt and pants when wrestling. I don't know if their intent was to make a sexualized character, though it is possible. He might have been created by the same designers who worked on Final Fight, who created a muscular Freddie Mercury, a pre-op tranny, and a gay man in a cop outfit as characters for that game.
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Lol, I'm not a pedophile, either.
(http://http://www.segabits.com/forums/download/file.php?avatar=122_1283787742.png)
I'm not sure what's confusing you about Bayonetta, like I said earlier, she clearly isnt a soulless object made to pander to the creepy.
uh, you havent played Yakuza have you? The hostesses arent a major part of the game. If the game was largely about them I sure wouldnt be playing it. Unless you think the argument is that dating elements = bad? In which case that's not it, character interaction systems can be a great thing, but it requitres good characters and writing first, which again, these games dont have
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Shining franchise discussions are fun around these forums lol
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I think I have said about four times now, clear as day why I'm bothered about the cliché and pretty slutty re-design of the Shining series. How it isn't anything to do with it being against my morals. Everything to do with not being generic anime art and against what I grew to love about this series.
But he'll ignore that and keep going.
You can tell him that Bayonetta is great, you can tell him girls in general love the Bayonetta character you can tell him it was designed by a woman.
But he'll ignore that and keep going.
Frankly Fuzzy does nothing but start drama, arguments and try to be centre of attention anyway he can and manages to piss off at least half of our forum members in the process.
The amount of chances I have given this guy, the amount of people I like FAR more I have told to try and put up with him and give him a chance... The amount of topics he has derailed.
I give up, next serious foot out of line and he's IP banned.
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Edit:Wrong thread! Can you please delete it?
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^The irony of the whole entire forums lmao.
What part is ironic?
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Wrong thread, sorry.
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(http://http://www.segabits.com/forums/download/file.php?avatar=122_1283787742.png)
Um, okay?
So I guess your avatar must indicate that you love guys who are into kinky S&M, right? :P
I'm not sure what's confusing you about Bayonetta, like I said earlier, she clearly isnt a soulless object made to pander to the creepy.
I'm not sure how many creepy people she appeals to. It's not like I have a statistic or anything.
Since when did fictional characters start having souls, anyway?
uh, you havent played Yakuza have you?
I played Yakuza 3, which had the clubs removed from them on these shores. I had no problem with that.
Unless you think the argument is that dating elements = bad? In which case that's not it, character interaction systems can be a great thing, but it requitres good characters and writing first, which again, these games dont have
Oh, I didn't realize you'd already played through the unreleased, untranslated game already.
I'd hate to break it to you, but the dating in Yakuza 3 didn't have good writing. The overall story in Y3, as a whole, was only decent... but story alone isn't a good enough reason to love/hate a game. :P I still enjoyed the game a lot, despite its many shortcomings.
I think I have said about four times now, clear as day why I'm bothered about the cliché and pretty slutty re-design of the Shining series. How it isn't anything to do with it being against my morals. Everything to do with not being generic anime art and against what I grew to love about this series.
But he'll ignore that and keep going.
Sharky, how much would you wager that if this game had been called "Hearts RPG" that you still wouldn't have liked it anyway?
You can tell him that Bayonetta is great, you can tell him girls in general love the Bayonetta character you can tell him it was designed by a woman.
But he'll ignore that and keep going.
My new female roommate loves the way Shining Hearts looks. She's the biggest fan of these ecchi, harem, and hentai anime/manga that I've ever seen in my entire life, and I could take a picture of her bookshelf to prove it. She'd probably pick this game up in a heartbeat if it came to the US.
But the point's kinda irrelevant, don't you think?
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Sharky, how much would you wager that if this game had been called "Hearts RPG" that you still wouldn't have liked it anyway?
Considering I enjoyed what little I've played of Sakura Taisen, as well as 7th dragon both with art style I can't say I'm fond of I think the chances are pretty good IF it is a good game.
My new female roommate loves the way Shining Hearts looks. She's the biggest fan of ecchi, moe, harem, and hentai anime that I've ever seen in my entire life. She'd probably pick this game up in a heartbeat, if it came to the US.
Well done, you room with what I can only assume is a fat and/or ugly chud of a girl... Since those are the only ones that enjoy shit like hentai. The ones that actually choose to hang out with homosexuals are usually fucking annoying to boot.
But I have no idea what that has to do with what you quoted me on...
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Considering I enjoyed what little I've played of Sakura Taisen, as well as 7th dragon both with art style I can't say I'm fond of I think the chances are pretty good IF it is a good game.
And again, if Bayonetta had been a wildly altered relaunch of an older series, would you have found it to be a good reason to hate the game outright?
Is it fair to hate new games in a series just because they don't adhere to the standards of games from a long, long time ago?
Well done, you room with what I can only assume is a fat and/or ugly chud of a girl...
She's a little chubby, but I think her obsession has more to do with self-identification. She's indicated that because she's got some really huge boobs, she loves to see anime girls with really huge boobs too. xP (Also, since I have a 360, she's wanting to get that DOA Xtreme Volleyball 2 game to play on it... :roll: I don't think I could deal with the embarrassment of having that game on my console's play history, lol.)
Recently though, I've been getting her into stuff like Junjou Romantica and Gravitation. Go go gay anime! =)
But I have no idea what that has to do with what you quoted me on...
You said "Some women like Bayonetta!", even though it's equally as irrelevant as saying "Some women like Shining Hearts!" It doesn't prove or disprove anything.
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Well done, you room with what I can only assume is a fat and/or ugly chud of a girl... Since those are the only ones that enjoy shit like hentai. The ones that actually choose to hang out with homosexuals are usually fucking annoying to boot.
Sterotyping is not always the best way...
Edit: When did this thread turn into a fight between games and homosexuals?
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Well done, you room with what I can only assume is a fat and/or ugly chud of a girl... Since those are the only ones that enjoy shit like hentai. The ones that actually choose to hang out with homosexuals are usually fucking annoying to boot.
I haven't really been paying attention to this thread, because these periodic arguments between you guys are usually quite boring, but this particular statement is way out of line. You need to take a break from posting.
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Ha ha ha, yeah. Sharky does tend to argue.
I shouldn't be talking. :<
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And again, if Bayonetta had been a wildly altered relaunch of an older series, would you have found it to be a good reason to hate the game outright?
If the art style of this series had been part of what defined it, I would of course be very irritated that the style had changed and probably kick up a big stink. But if it was still a great game as Bayonetta is I would have no problem picking it up.
When there is a really great new Shining game I will again have no problem picking it up... But there was already an art style that fit the Shining series and it was part of what I loved about it. This new style is not it.
Is it fair to hate new games in a series just because they don't adhere to the standards of games from a long, long time ago?
I'm not sure how many times I have to stress that I don't hate the game because of the ugly new art style. If there is a good new Shining game I'll get it regardless.
You said "Some women like Bayonetta!", even though it's equally as irrelevant as saying "Some women like Shining Hearts!" It doesn't prove or disprove anything.
I'm sure plenty of girls love this new Shining Hearts game. However back on the official Sega forums your entire argument as to why Bayonetta was so terrible is how it makes woman look like objects and is disrespectful... But it turns out most girls ive come across find the Character a breath of freash air and empowering.
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I haven't really been paying attention to this thread, because these periodic arguments between you guys are usually quite boring, but this particular statement is way out of line. You need to take a break from posting.
Periodic arguments between me and Fuzzy? Seems unlikely, I've been the one keeping him from being IP banned since he joined this place. To the dismay of many.
You want me to take back that my past experience with girls that watch hentai are pretty much always fat and ugly? I haven't directly insulted this roommate of his.
P.S Girls that make a habbit of trying to befriend homosexuals are usually really fucking annoying. I've seen this first hand, I have gay friends in real life and theres always some girl trying to attach herself to the group.
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Um, okay?
So I guess your avatar must indicate that you love guys who are into kinky S&M, right? :P
A: You posted various omg so hawt comments about Faulklin who is <15. Please point me to where I said Melfice is omg hawt kawaii bishie san n___n
B: You havent played Grandia 2? No wonder you have such shit taste in RPGs
I'm not sure how many creepy people she appeals to. It's not like I have a statistic or anything.
Since when did fictional characters start having souls, anyway?
Since people put their heart and souls into making them. I guess someone like you wouldnt understand that.
Oh, I didn't realize you'd already played through the unreleased, untranslated game already.
A: I dont need games to be translated, I regularly play RPGs in japanese, pick your fights better.
B: I've played 3 or 4 hundred RPGs, I know a shit one when I see it and the scans have already provided more than enough info
My new female roommate loves the way Shining Hearts looks. She's the biggest fan of these ecchi, harem, and hentai anime/manga that I've ever seen in my entire life, and I could take a picture of her bookshelf to prove it. She'd probably pick this game up in a heartbeat if it came to the US.
Well done on proving our argument,. this game appeals to fans of ecchi, harem and porn anime, not RPG fans.
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When there is a really great new Shining game I will again have no problem picking it up... But there was already an art style that fit the Shining series and it was part of what I loved about it. This new style is not it.
Fine, fine then.
I still just found your original comments weird, in that way that I was wondering "Why should he be bothered by this...?" But I suppose that we've explored that far enough now.
You want me to take back that my past experience with girls that watch hentai are pretty much always fat and ugly? I haven't directly insulted this roommate of his.
P.S Girls that make a habbit of trying to befriend homosexuals are usually really fucking annoying. I've seen this first hand, I have gay friends in real life and theres always some girl trying to attach herself to the group.
She's not even the only girl I've ever met who likes hentai. The other had a totally skinny frame. She would ask me for yaoi recommendations from time to time.
Also, what "group"? You think I hang out with other gay people all the time? I don't exactly live in San Francisco, y'know. =P
A: You posted various omg so hawt comments about Faulklin who is <15.
Imagining things, are we? (http://http://www.google.com/search?q=fluffymoochicken+firklin+hawt&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=o3b&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=fluffymoochicken+firklin+hawt&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=7b3e9e0669ddb0a1) :P
I do think he's totally cute and adorable, though. I would like there to be more games with girly boys because I like playing as them. ^_^ (I enjoy dressing girly and having girlish mannerisms in real life, too. ^^;;;) Firklin especially has a fabulous design. If I were cuter looking, then I might cosplay as him. That doesn't mean I would ever touch someone under the age of 18, in the same way that I wouldn't touch an overgrown bear of a man like Zangief.
I prefer to only date guys who are early to mid 20's, around my age. It has a lot to do with the mental maturity that comes with age, as well as the physical. At my age, it's really annoying to talk to an 18 year old in high school saying how he's got it so rough or whatever. Teenagers can be way too melodramatic and emotional over stupid stuff. :P
Since people put their heart and souls into making them. I guess someone like you wouldnt understand that.
You all have labeled her as a "parody" joke character time and again who's overly sexualized just for laughs, so I don't know what to make of this.
I would also argue that real people don't have souls either, but whatever.
A: I dont need games to be translated, I regularly play RPGs in japanese, pick your fights better.
B: I've played 3 or 4 hundred RPGs, I know a shit one when I see it and the scans have already provided more than enough info
400 RPG's? o_O
Tell me, how many hours of your life do you suppose you've spent playing these games? Just give me a rough estimate. It doesn't have to be exact.
Well done on proving our argument,. this game appeals to fans of ecchi, harem and porn anime, not RPG fans.
Yes, because I'm sure the two are mutually exclusive. Nice detective work.
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Imagining things, are we? (http://http://www.google.com/search?q=fluffymoochicken+firklin+hawt&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=o3b&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=fluffymoochicken+firklin+hawt&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=7b3e9e0669ddb0a1) :P
Firklin <3
"So basically, instead of being better, the Shing series should just appeal to fur fruits? :roll:"
I gotta say, I'd be perfectly fine with that. :3
No, no really I can see how much you care about the story and characterisation of games
I do think he's totally cute and adorable, though. I would like there to be more games with girly boys because I like playing as them. ^_^ (I enjoy dressing girly and having girlish mannerisms in real life, too. ^^;;;) Firklin especially has a fabulous design. If I were cuter looking, then I might cosplay as him. That doesn't mean I would ever touch someone under the age of 18, in the same way that I wouldn't touch an overgrown bear of a man like Zangief.
Now I hope you DO play EXA, Faulklin is a whiny bitch who spends the whole game pitifully following a girl around pining after her while she lusts after a manlier man.
400 RPG's? o_O
Tell me, how many hours of your life do you suppose you've spent playing these games? Just give me a rough estimate. It doesn't have to be exact.
probably ~100,000 hours. I'm an RPG developer so I need to know my shit, it's amazing how much you can get through when you don't spend your life masturbating furiously to furries
Yes, because I'm sure the two are mutually exclusive. Nice detective work.
Should I draw you a venn diagram since you have trouble understanding basic concepts? people interested in RPGs arent interested in this. people interested in anime porn are. Whatever crossover there is between them, it's a market sega should be ashamed to go for.
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No, no really I can see how much you care about the story and characterisation of games
Hehe, I don't really care a ton about story in games.
But at least I can spot posts that are obviously played for laughs, and understand that a person who is a "fruit" is not necessarily a "pedophile".
Now I hope you DO play EXA, Faulklin is a whiny bitch who spends the whole game pitifully following a girl around pining after her while she lusts after a manlier man.
I'm still playing EXA, actually. I already knew that Firklin was a submissive servant to Ami even before I played the game, too.
Firklin's still incredibly sweet and adorable. ^^
probably ~100,000 hours.
I see. This helps me to understand how you feel a little better.
Should I draw you a venn diagram since you have trouble understanding basic concepts? people interested in RPGs arent interested in this. people interested in anime porn are. Whatever crossover there is between them, it's a market sega should be ashamed to go for.
Um, I guess you can draw a Venn diagram if you want, but you wouldn't have any concrete data to support it. You're sort of talking matter-of-factually about something that you could not ever hope to back up with proof.
Suzuki Yu is interested in this game. I guess you're condemning him, then?
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Sieghardt, is this your page at GameTrailers?
(http://http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4457/gtpage.png)
http://www.gametrailers.com/users/Siegh ... &id=403931 (http://www.gametrailers.com/users/Sieghardt/gamepad/?action=viewblog&id=403931)
I was only trying to find your Shining Force website, but I stumbled upon this as the first search result for "Sieghardt Shining Force". o_o
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Interesting that you find pathetic snivilling submissive subservience "cute". No wonder you hate Bayonetta so much since you apparantly like your characters to be spineless doormats.
Um, I guess you can draw a Venn diagram if you want, but you wouldn't have any concrete data to support it. You're sort of talking matter-of-factually about something that you could not ever hope to back up with proof.
Yeah it's not like I've ever done any market research for a games company. Oh wait, yes I have.
and yes that's my page, perhaps you'd do well to read it, like how I enjoyed Vandal Hearts despite its SHOCKINGLY ugly art and how I loved that Valkyria didnt pander to audiences (only to be crushingly disappointed that Valkyria 2 did :( ) Unless you're pointing out the semi clothed girls in which case my mind is blown at your inability to grasp even the vaguest clue of what you're arguing about.
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Interesting that you find pathetic snivilling submissive subservience "cute". No wonder you hate Bayonetta so much since you apparantly like your characters to be spineless doormats.
He was intended to be a sweetly devoted person, and his design is very cute. Bayonetta was never intended to be a cute character, on the other hand. She's a woman in a game where the developers felt the need to do slow motion zoom-in shots of her crotch.
What's up with people at Segabits and comparing apples and oranges recently, anyway?
Yeah it's not like I've ever done any market research for a games company. Oh wait, yes I have.
What I'm saying to you is, where is your research on this matter? Where are the focus group statistics? What was the size of the sample that you polled from? How did you go about selecting the participants?
Right now, you don't have anything to back up your claims about who likes to play what other than "Because I said they don't". I know that you and I both don't like Tony's art that much, but then again, our own personal tastes are rather niche (especially my own).
Unless you're pointing out the semi clothed girls in which case my mind is blown
Your mind and my own, both. Here you were, it seems, condemning sexualized moe artwork, only for me to stumble upon your GT page and find... well, that. o_O
PS - My roommate wants to know what game the girls are from. =P
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That wasnt the argument at all. If you're too dense to even understand the argument there's not much point trying to talk to you. Go back to my first post in this thread.
Being a shitty slutty character isnt about how much clothes you wear. These characters suck because they're subservient uninimdating moebait otaku feed designed purely to suit moe archetypes and feed the ideals of the ronery.
I dunno if you're just stupid or if you're seriously trying to create the worlds weakest straw man argument but stop projecting arguments that dont exist. Creating arguments out of nowhere seems to be the only reason you exist it seems :p
but since you dont understand a creator putting their heart into their characters I guess your mind cant process characters as anything BUT objects. That's a bit sad really :(
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That wasnt the argument at all. If you're too dense to even understand the argument there's not much point trying to talk to you. Go back to my first post in this thread.
Wait, why are you bringing back that old discussion? If you're referring to that bit at the end of my last post about you bashing moe-taku here but having those girls on your GameTrailers page, that was just an interesting observation I threw in. :P It's not being used as a relevant argument to any debate here.
Now, to focus attention back to what we were talking about within the last 10 posts:
Well done on proving our argument,. this game appeals to fans of ecchi, harem and porn anime, not RPG fans.
Yes, because I'm sure the two are mutually exclusive. Nice detective work.
Should I draw you a venn diagram since you have trouble understanding basic concepts? people interested in RPGs arent interested in this. people interested in anime porn are. Whatever crossover there is between them, it's a market sega should be ashamed to go for.
Um, I guess you can draw a Venn diagram if you want, but you wouldn't have any concrete data to support it. You're sort of talking matter-of-factually about something that you could not ever hope to back up with proof.
Yeah it's not like I've ever done any market research for a games company. Oh wait, yes I have.
What I'm saying to you is, where is your research on this matter? Where are the focus group statistics? What was the size of the sample that you polled from? How did you go about selecting the participants?
Right now, you don't have anything to back up your claims about who likes to play what other than "Because I said they don't".
Let's continue on from here, shall we?
You said that "people interested in RPGs arent interested in this", but how do you know that's true for everyone?
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Bayonetta is my favourite Shining Force game after Shining Force III Trilogy.
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Bayonetta is my favourite Shining Force game after Shining Force III Trilogy.
Heh... ^^ Thank you for lightening the mood.
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Keeping my fingers crossed for a Western release of Shining Hearts. The Shining series is one of my favorite Sega franchises.
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Weren't you the one who used Riemsianne as their avatar for a while? 'Cause I remember seeing her and thinking "That character looks cool!" even before I knew all about Shining Force EXA. ^^
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Weren't you the one who used Riemsianne as their avatar for a while? 'Cause I remember seeing her and thinking "That character looks cool!" even before I knew all about Shining Force EXA. ^^
Yup, that was me. I was playing Shining Force EXA at the time and felt like having an avatar of her.