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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: ROJM on September 30, 2010, 07:45:09 am
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Me and a couple of collegues were discussing video game characters the other day when it quickly turned into a discussion about Sega and their characters because they were talking about SASASR.
One of them mentioned that Bayonetta would be one of the best because the game made sure that you at least enjoyed the character of bayonetta even if you didn't like the storyline.
I pointed out to her that bayonetta was just a Sega second party game and can she mention one from them themselves.
She said in her opinion that while Sega makes good niche games, that's all they're doing now. They're not making the game where the character is memorable anymore. At least to the masses.
I had a long thought about that. So I decided to come here and see what anyone's fave character is from Sega's third party era.
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Pretty much half the cast from the Yakuza series!
Okay, but they all do have good characterization, so I'll just go with the main one, Kazuma Kiryu. Though if I could pick two, Majima would be up there too, Akiyama was a great addition to the cast in Yakuza 4 too.
I suppose AiAi is another good character I think for a family game, fairly recognizable too.
I happen to like Eileen a lot and was my favourite fighter in Virtua Fighter 5, but that's a series that started off as a first party effort. Bayonetta was a great character too, fairly different from the majority of females in games too.
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Internally developed:
(http://http://kagamizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/kazuma_ps2.jpg)
First choice: Kazuma Kiryu - I've only played the first game, but he has been a standout character from the third party era. I don't think we can count characters that appeared in sequels in 2001 onwards (such as Ryo Hazuki) however...
(http://http://www.ltlprints.com/images/0014/6748/146748N01S001_bthumb.png)
Second choice: Beat (JSRF) - While a sequel, Beat is a total redesign of the character and is definitely a different beast. I like a majoirty of the JSRF characters, but Beat really stands out. Gum, Corn and Yo-yo are also good ones. I've always thought Beat should have been the new SEGA mascot. He's just so much cooler than Sonic.
(http://http://www.gamersmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/bayonetta1.jpg)
Externally developed: Bayonetta - She's just plain awesome. The pre-2001 days had Toe Jam & Earl and Ecco. Post-2001 has Bayonetta.
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(http://http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/889/889706/valkyria-chronicles-20080715104528217_640w.jpg)
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Chip
(http://http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2065/chipsmaller.png)
Firklin
(http://http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3559/firklinimage.jpg)
Kazuma Kiryu (new version is better than Keanu Reeves version!)
(http://http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9541/yakuza3t.jpg)
Those are the three that immediately come to mind. ^^;;; I'll post more later when I think of them.
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Aaaaaand Fluffy goes back on my ignore list :P
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Aaaaaand Fluffy goes back on my ignore list :P
What did I do? @_@
...not that you could answer me.
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I'll answer you so you can see where I'm coming from: You're obviously not taking the topic seriously, you're simply using it as yet another excuse to flaunt flamebait like Chip and Firklin. Frankly it's becoming pathetic on your part and I'm sick of entering a topic only to see you plastering nonsense like that on my screen. Hence: ignore list. Now if other users have a problem with Fluffy's posts, feel free to IM me.
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I'll answer you so you can see where I'm coming from: You're obviously not taking the topic seriously, you're simply using it as yet another excuse to flaunt flamebait like Chip and Firklin.
Wasn't the point of this topic to post who you think the best SEGA characters since 2001 are? @_@ Well, those are two of my favorites.
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Lol at your choices fluffymoo, chip is the worst character EVER!!!
Nah, just kiddin.(nah he actually really is)
I like that opa-opa and Alexkid finally made come backs after a long time in SASASR.
(http://http://www.ncsx.com/2008/081108/SGH2/shooting_game_historica_opa_opa_07.jpg)
(http://http://www.segaonline.nl/blog/wp-content/gallery/sonic-and-sega-all-stars-racing/61.jpg)They could have made Alex look a little bit better though.
But my my post 2001 favourites are.. Kiryu Kazuma, no doubt. I guess he's just the sort of character a lot of people would look up to. His character is interesting and I can kind of relate to the way he's always so calm in most of the situations. I Like both of the portraits(ps2 and ps3HD)
And I guess Vashyron from Resonance of Fate. I really enjoyed the game and even though the thin story, Vashyrons character and sense of humor was a nice touch. (http://http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:wZsCqXiqEFuqwM:http://g-bri.com/modules/news/wp-content/uploads2/%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A1%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%83%AD%E3%83%B3_%E3%82%A2%E3%83%83%E3%83%97.jpg&t=1)
I'd pick Vyse from Skies of Arcadia instead if it were post 2000. This will do as a post 2001.
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She said in her opinion that while Sega makes good niche games, that's all they're doing now. They're not making the game where the character is memorable anymore. At least to the masses.
Actually it's more that NO ONE is making memorable characters anymore. Everyone is either hyper realistic, and/or a space marine.
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It's hard for me to pick an absolute favorite, but I really liked Selvaria from Valkyria Chronicles.
(http://http://www.videogamegirlsdb.com/Images/Valkyria_Chronicles/Selvaria_Bles/Selvaria_Bles_Valkyria_Chronicles_Portrait_01.jpg)
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Lol at your choices fluffymoo, chip is the worst character EVER!!!
Nah, just kiddin.(nah he actually really is)
You're free to believe what you wanna, but I loved the lil' guy. He was so very cute. ^__^
Actually it's more that NO ONE is making memorable characters anymore. Everyone is either hyper realistic, and/or a space marine.
That's somewhat true.
I tried to think of characters from other post-2001 SEGA games, but I ended up drawing a lot of blanks. I wouldn't have had this problem in the 90's...
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Kazuma
And now, for something completely different:
[youtube:1s4l038z]6EpxdFJDiIE[/youtube:1s4l038z]
I think Luka is cool/funny enough for his own game honestly.
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Enzo definitely needed more screen time. Bayonetta 2 needs an Enzo mini-game!*
*joking
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(http://http://imgur.com/wlhKF.png)
(http://http://imgur.com/4WvVW.jpg)
(http://http://imgur.com/maZTx.jpg)
(http://http://imgur.com/PifFK.jpg)
(http://http://imgur.com/J6m5A.jpg)
(http://http://imgur.com/FiCr4.jpg)
Hmm, I'm sure I'm missing some more :D
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She said in her opinion that while Sega makes good niche games, that's all they're doing now. They're not making the game where the character is memorable anymore. At least to the masses.
Actually it's more that NO ONE is making memorable characters anymore. Everyone is either hyper realistic, and/or a space marine.
I disagree, just a handful from this generation:
*Dead Rising had Frank West (He's covered Wars you know?)
*MadWorld had Jack Carver, Black Baron (Stop Starin')
*Bayonetta
*Mass Effect has Tali, Garrus, Wrex, and... pretty much most of the crew
*No More Heroes had all the bosses and Travis Touchdown
And as much as you might not like them, even ultra realistic characters can be great and memorable (Sam Fisher for example is a great character, Ditto John Marsdon from Red Dead Redemption.), as can space marines. What's wrong with Master Chief? I think he's a great character, instantly recognisable and iconic.
Aaaanyway, as for Sega... I gotta go with Kazuma Kiryu. The fact that the games are brilliant help a lot, but he's a cool character. Not to mention he has the best nomme de guerre I've heard in a while 'The Dragon of Dojima'.
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I have seen a lot of fans of Valkyria Chronicles characters like Selvaria, Alicia and such.
Kazuma Kiryu of course and Majima (Yakuza)
Bayonetta might not be 1st party but is owned by Sega and she stands out a lot amongst the crowd.
I personally found OTRA to be a great character.
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(http://http://ui02.gamespot.com/1505/sc5ulala_2.jpg)
Ulala, also Beat and Vyse
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(http://http://ui02.gamespot.com/1505/sc5ulala_2.jpg)
Ulala, also Beat and Vyse
Yeah, I would've said Ulala is one of my favorites as well, but she came out in 2000.
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I disagree, just a handful from this generation:
*Dead Rising had Frank West (He's covered Wars you know?)
*MadWorld had Jack Carver, Black Baron (Stop Starin')
*Bayonetta
*Mass Effect has Tali, Garrus, Wrex, and... pretty much most of the crew
*No More Heroes had all the bosses and Travis Touchdown
And as much as you might not like them, even ultra realistic characters can be great and memorable (Sam Fisher for example is a great character, Ditto John Marsdon from Red Dead Redemption.), as can space marines. What's wrong with Master Chief? I think he's a great character, instantly recognisable and iconic.
This list of "great characters" made me really depressed. I am not drawn to a single one of these guys.
You could have at least mentioned professor layton.
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(http://http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iPfgigKZHCF3xM:http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8253/douke.jpg&t=1)
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(http://http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iPfgigKZHCF3xM:http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8253/douke.jpg&t=1)
Duke... Nukem? @_@ The character from 1991?
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Yeah, I would've said Ulala is one of my favorites as well, but she came out in 2000.
ummmh true, also skies of arcadia is from 2000 if i remember well. Oh well, i like them anyway :D
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I disagree, just a handful from this generation:
*Dead Rising had Frank West (He's covered Wars you know?)
*MadWorld had Jack Carver, Black Baron (Stop Starin')
*Bayonetta
*Mass Effect has Tali, Garrus, Wrex, and... pretty much most of the crew
*No More Heroes had all the bosses and Travis Touchdown
And as much as you might not like them, even ultra realistic characters can be great and memorable (Sam Fisher for example is a great character, Ditto John Marsdon from Red Dead Redemption.), as can space marines. What's wrong with Master Chief? I think he's a great character, instantly recognisable and iconic.
This list of "great characters" made me really depressed. I am not drawn to a single one of these guys.
You could have at least mentioned professor layton.
Opinions. I found the list to be great, not sure why you don't like them. I agree on Professor Layton though, he's excellent too.
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It's not that I find them abhorrent. I just doubt that any of them will still be around in ten years, much less remembered. Save for master chief of course. But not due to any sort of charisma; his presence is lasting due to fiscal reasons alone.
They're just all so generically gritty. Of course, this is just one dude's opinion.
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(http://http://ui02.gamespot.com/1505/sc5ulala_2.jpg)
Ulala, also Beat and Vyse
Yeah, I would've said Ulala is one of my favorites as well, but she came out in 2000.
Ditto.
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It's not that I find them abhorrent. I just doubt that any of them will still be around in ten years, much less remembered. Save for master chief of course. But not due to any sort of charisma; his presence is lasting due to fiscal reasons alone.
They're just all so generically gritty. Of course, this is just one dude's opinion.
I don't really see how they are all 'gritty'. Frank West for example is pretty goofy, especially in his TVC incarnation. Not to mention that just because someone is meant to be tough/realistic doesn't mean they are a bad character. Sam Fisher is a good example of a realistic character who still has plenty of charisma and style thanks to his dark and dry sense of humour and iconic look (The night vision goggles especially). Not to mention he has already been around for eight years, which kinda puts your 'don't see them being around in ten years' argument into perspective.
And if you are going to call all those characters 'generically gritty' you may as well say Professor Layton, Sonic, Mario, and every other character that is even remotely cartoony are 'Generically cartoony'.
tl;dr, I think you are being too harsh, or maybe haven't really had that much experience with these characters if you think none of them are good. But again, it's all opinions.
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I don't really see how they are all 'gritty'. Frank West for example is pretty goofy, especially in his TVC incarnation.
He's still just another unattractive brown haired thirty-something white guy that gramers seem to be enamored with.
http://i32.tinypic.com/8wwhsp.jpg (http://i32.tinypic.com/8wwhsp.jpg)
See what I mean? Even when Frank West is like "Hey, look at me! Aren't my shenanigans just wacky?!", he still looks like a boring character.
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I don't really see how they are all 'gritty'. Frank West for example is pretty goofy, especially in his TVC incarnation.
He's still just another unattractive brown haired thirty-something white guy that gramers seem to be enamored with.
http://i32.tinypic.com/8wwhsp.jpg (http://i32.tinypic.com/8wwhsp.jpg)
See what I mean? Even when Frank West is like "Hey, look at me! Aren't my shenanigans just wacky?!", he still looks like a boring character.
Talking about Frank West i have to disagree with you, is not just about the look. The fact he's not perfect, goofy and with a bad sense of humor make him perfect for that kind of game. You can just laugh looking at him run or jump so slow and that is basically the purpose of the game. So, perfect character for me.
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Sorry, but I don't find him as inherently funny as some people on forums do. For some reason, they think "He's covered wars, y'know" is oh-so-hilarious that they can't stop chirping it out over and over until all of the humor's been sucked dry.
I mean, sure, it's a little amusing to see him put on a Mega Man suit the first time, but gags like that are only amusing for a few minutes maximum.
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It's not so much that it's 'Hilarious', but the line 'I've covered wars you know?' has just become the catch-all argument for anything regarding the character. Like "How the hell does a normal guy with a baseball bat stand up against someone like Gold Lightan?", "Well, he's covered wars you know..."
And also, those characters all look alike, but they have pretty different personalities and traits. Someone like Nico Bellic I can't stand, and I thought Chris from RE5 was pretty dull too. I don't even know who half those other guys are, so... no comment I guess. I did think it was strange they used the scrapped design for Sam Fisher in Conviction though, considering that look never came to light.
Anyway, this is getting kinda off-topic, but at the same time I can't really think of any first party developed Sega characters apart from Kazuma I particualrly liked in recent years.
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And also, those characters all look alike, but they have pretty different personalities and traits.
That's not really the point, though. They still look boring and run of the mill. I'd love to see mainstream games take more bold risks with their character designs.
Then again, I guess that's why they're mainstream. There's very little room there for having a creative passion for the medium. :P
Anyway, this is getting kinda off-topic, but at the same time I can't really think of any first party developed Sega characters apart from Kazuma I particualrly liked in recent years.
Yeah, it is really difficult. I guess I kinda like Silver the Hedgehog, albeit for all the wrong reasons. Cyrille, Duga, Adam, and Avalon were all pretty cool characters in SF EXA.
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I mean, sure, it's a little amusing to see him put on a Mega Man suit the first time, but gags like that are only amusing for a few minutes maximum.
And don't forget the Arthur's boxers lolol :mrgreen: that always makes me smile
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And also, those characters all look alike, but they have pretty different personalities and traits.
That's not really the point, though. They still look boring and run of the mill. I'd love to see mainstream games take more bold risks with their character designs.
Master Chief hardly looks like Sam Fisher though, who in turn doesn't anything like the characters from Mass Effect.
There are always going to be some characters that are just dull, but I don't think it's fair to paint every 'realistic' or modern character with the same brush is all.
Oh also, following up from Aki-at's post about Eileen, I like most of the new Virtua Fighter characters too, particularly Brad Burns, Goh and El Blaze.
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Master Chief originally looked like Doom Guy, and he still sorta does in a way. Halo's designs weren't very imaginative at all. =/
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Halo's designs weren't very imaginative at all. =/
Whaaaaaaaaaaaa???
Outside of the brutes, every creature in the Covenant are extremely creative. Hunters for example are made out of a large network of eel-like things who hold up and move the armor around them. Stuff like the Flood is very unique too, are there even any other kind of plant zombie things in any other IP?
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Anyways, I am going to help Mang's point with some characters I love from the past ten years but that all look very different from one another.
(http://http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/6523/819359-log_large.jpg)
L.O.G. The Lord of Games from Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
(http://http://xboxlivemedia.ign.com/xboxlive/image/article/893/893629/ninja-gaiden-ii-20080724034009318_640w.jpg)
Volf, RULER OF STOOOOOOOOORMS from Ninja Gaiden II
(http://http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/midna.jpg)
Midna from The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
(http://http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/867/616670-seth_large.jpg)
Seth Balmore from Lost Odyssey, along with most of the cast
(http://http://gameinformer.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00.00.55.65.09.Attached+Files/7128.Sly2.jpg)
Sly Cooper from Sly Cooper
There are tons of really cool characters from the past ten years, most people just try too hard to focus on the bad or what they do not like. Come on, just try some different games every now and then!
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Midna and Sly are okay, I guess. The rest I certainly wouldn't call memorable.
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Midna and Sly are okay, I guess.
albeit for all the wrong reasons.
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'Who's been the best Sega character since 2001.'
Is the topic title, get back on topic please.
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Uhh... I really have no idea, I guess Kazuma from Yakuza.
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How about Sonic? He's the only one anyone who isn't a Sega fanboy can name. That has to be worth something.
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How about Sonic? He's the only one anyone who isn't a Sega fanboy can name. That has to be worth something.
He would have been my first choice, but he's been around since 1991. ^-^
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How about Sonic? He's the only one anyone who isn't a Sega fanboy can name. That has to be worth something.
He would have been my first choice, but he's been around since 1991. ^-^
True but he's had plenty of games post-2001, and despite all the oldschool fan hatred, his games have been the only thing keeping Sega alive since.
Otherwise I'd say Kazuma has an easy win. He's recognizable in Japan eh?
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Hmm, I'm sure I'm missing some more :D
I Didn't find the others memorable but this is the character I was going to post, and Just like Ryo Hazuki, his true faith hasn't been revealed as part 3 isn't out yet and thanks to Bayonetta will never come out.
(http://http://imgur.com/4WvVW.jpg)
Hibana was a passable character with several execution short comings that prevents her from truly being immortal, but nonetheless Sega made Shinobi with High Heels before PG made DMC with High Heels.
She holds a spot in Sega history.
I prefer Hibana over Bayonetta.
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ORTA would be mine.
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I Didn't find the others memorable but this is the character I was going to post, and Just like Ryo Hazuki, his true faith hasn't been revealed as part 3 isn't out yet and thanks to Bayonetta will never come out.
What does Bayonetta have to do with Shenmue III?
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I Didn't find the others memorable but this is the character I was going to post, and Just like Ryo Hazuki, his true faith hasn't been revealed as part 3 isn't out yet and thanks to Bayonetta will never come out.
(http://http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:2PdIIUEUkgtCyM:http://theinternetisterrible.com/wp-content/things/wut.jpg&t=1)
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What does Bayonetta have to do with Shenmue III?
I think he was referring to a prospective third modern Shinobi game (where Nightshade would be considered the second game), and what he's saying is that they're not going to make it because they now have Bayonetta instead. :P
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Shinobi is not an action beat em up series anyways. Hopefully whenever they make another one it is more of a platformer again.
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I dunno why people are talking about Ryo and JSR since they were out before 2001.
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Ryo I can agree-o, but my point about JSR was that the character designs in JSRF were very different. That's why I mentioned Beat, not to mention a good deal of the cast were new characters. Also, I'm gonna have to second ORTA. She was awesome.
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Fair enough, still technically...
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this is so-so fan art, but it illustrates my point:
(http://http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/17285/557700-tab_and_tab_by_loutfi_large.jpg)
I'll admit, characters like Beat Gum are similar between games, but Corn, Yoyo and Bisu are totally reworked and in my eyes are post-2001 characters.