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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Mengels7 on October 07, 2010, 01:44:39 am
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It's on the front page. You've all read it. You've all questioned your existence. It means that Sega clearly still values Shenmue. It also means that when this inevitably flops that we're more fucked than ever in seeing a third game. I vote we kidnap Yu Suzuki once and for all.
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I got a feeling that this is just part of a bigger project in the future. Nice to see they haven't forgotten about the franchise :).
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Its not about forgetting the franchise its really about finding a suitable platform and getting monies from it. Sega wants an exclusivity tie up with one of the hardware companies to minimise any risk publishing and marketing a third game. It seems that no one else values SHENMUE as a marketable or profitable game. I wonder if this title is what remained from the SHENMUE ONLINE project.
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I wouldnt jump to any conclusions about this being signs of a pending Shenmue 3 announcment.
But I don't see this as anything but good news... Sega Japan using the Shenmue IP again shows that the game isnt being 'shunned' and Sega are willing to talk about the series again.
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What announcement? All i'm saying is Sega wants this to be an exclusive, which is one if not the main reason why the third title was never released.
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^Actually I was just blabbing in general, wasn't suggesting that you suggested they were going to announce anything.
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Like I said on the front page, this thing is not a spin-off or derivate.
IT IS A SEQUEL!
At least, the sequel of the story seen on Shenmue 2.
Mobage is probably the largest casual gamers community in Japan, and now most of the companies want to release games on it. Millions and millions of people playing games there everyday, totally free... no need to buy nothing.
How the hell they are making money with this without charging people?
Freak internet and freak Sega. I want it on the PS3(PLAYSTATION 3) alongside with PHANTASY STAR ONLINE 2!
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Actually Sega just referred to this title as the third SHENMUE game not an actual sequel to the second game in the series.
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Actually Sega just referred to this title as the third SHENMUE game not an actual sequel to the second game in the series.
Yeah this is what I head.
I think you are mistaken Storm.
At least I hope you are because I'm going to firebomb Sega if this is Shenmue 3.
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I mean technically it should be called SHENMUE CAVE since that was the last time we saw Ryo.
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Is there anymore infomation on what the game consists of, how it plays?
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No, I'm sure I read it correctly at the Famitsu site.
You can see it clearly there: Shenmue Machi continues the story seen in the 2 games released on the Dreamcast.
It is not Shenmue 3, but it's the continuation of the story. Well, I presume it is a sequel. Not huge like the DC versions, but it is a SEQUEL!
Sega hates the franchise. Hisao Ohguchi said once that nobody will release Shenmue 3 untill he stands at head of Sega. He is not anymore Sega's president, he is in Sammy now, but most of the people at Sega from the DC era hates Shenmue.
I'm pretty sure that Nagoshi hates Shenmue too. I'm glad he is not the head of Sega consumer division anymore.
Link for the Famitsu release: http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/07034495.html (http://www.famitsu.com/news/201010/07034495.html)
The part saying its a sequel to that story: とくに『シェンムー街』はドリームキャストで発売されたシリーズ2作品の続きの物語になるとのこと。
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Well Sega rerferred to KENZEN as YAKUZA 3 for a while to stockholders even though clearly it wasn't. It was the third title. As far as i'm concerned until sega themselves say its a sequel, i'm not buying it. Its more or less a gaiden /sidestory to the actual third sequel by using a storyline they probably weren't going to explore in the third game but may have started or was present in the second title.
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I think its really a sequel but not going too far deep on the whole story of Shenmue series.
Maybe it continues after Ryo and Shenfua at the cave, going back to the city, and start doing the "basic" things we have done on the true game, like trading figures, playing games and mini-games, talking to people, fishing(argh>_<), smashing random drunk people on the streets, etc... but not really continuing the whole story of Shenmue, where Shenfua discover her inhuman powers.
Resume: its just a casual social cheap free game for the whole world play and its going to be the most played game in the series without any doubt.
I'm not sure what to think right now. Not really angry with Sega...
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The game could be a reimagined Shenmue Online, if I remember correctly that game was a Shenmue 2 side-story with events that happened during Ryo's time in Kowloon. That or Ren and Joy could take the spotlight and Ryo is a supporting character.
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wow this came from nowhere!
this game can't be a continuation for the series, i don't think so!
i think there is something wrong with Famitsu's article
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Holy cow, a new Shenmue game? :shock: Golly...
The fact that it's on a PC gaming service doesn't sound that bad. I could see the franchise benefiting from a point and click style interface. Not that I'll get to find out, since there likely won't be an English language version.
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Ryo goes fishing. Ryo feeds the chicken. Shenhua does the dishes. Casual games. <3
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Ryo goes fishing. Ryo feeds the chicken. Shenhua does the dishes. Casual games. <3
No, not Shenhua... Wuying Ren. :3
And if not him, then Fuku-san was always very loyal. xD In fact, he was rather cute in that way. [spoiler:3q4he413]He even gave Ryo the savings in his cute little piggy bank. <3[/spoiler:3q4he413]
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SEGA EXPLAIN YOURSELF.
SHENMUE 3 BRO, LIKE WTF.
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Well, Storm already explained that SOJ hates Shenmue, so... yeah.
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Then again, STORM explained it... So chances are it isnt real. ;p
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I wouldn't be surprised if what he said was true. SEGA probably enjoys the thought of a Shenmue 3 about as much as Universal Pictures would delight in a Waterworld 2. We're talking about a project that lost them a lot of money and received mixed opinions from the press. I can't imagine that they would reflect upon it fondly.
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In all fairness, if Shenmue 3 had the same gameplay as the old ones it would be panned miserably. Today's expectations are very different. The slow pacing would be considered shit and such.
Of course that's bullshit, but then again most people who "want Shenmue so baddzz!!!!11!2" never actually played it.
The game, if it comes out, needs a revamp. But then fans would be pissed.
I can understand why Sega doesn't want to release it.
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Let's remember that the slow pacing is probably mostly gone from the series. At the end of II, the story had picked up a lot. There was a lot more action in this game: rooftop fight, Heavens Brawl, Yellow Head Building, street fighters, arm wrestling, chasing Yuan, etc. Whereas in Shenmue I, we pretty much only had the 70 man fight and a few fights against the Mad Angels. If Shenmue III was released, it would continue right out of the cave and we might even meet the Chiyoumen in Bailu Village, remember? Action right from the start.
And I don't think every developer inside SEGA is a money hungry greedy monster. You think the developers only care about money? They pride themselves on a job well done, and like the money on the side. Probably most if not all of the Shenmue staff loved the games even if they didn't make piles of money appear in SEGA's bank accounts. It's probably only the high up executives that aren't directly involved with development that hate the game, because all they do is greenlight projects and see the benefits for the company and stock improvement.
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Is there still no more infomation or screens? I really want to know what this game entails...
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I loved the slow moments of the Shenmue series. Had a very classic Japanese cinema vibe. Like how Miyazaki or Kurosawa would linger on a scene to let the scenery sink in.
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I've joined Yahoo! Mobagee to see it, and... holy crap! They are flash cheap games with a lot of static images and no sounds.
Have played just one game, so I dunno if the other games are the same shit thing.
And yes, most of the people involved on the Shenmue development (at least a lot) or not hates or hated Shenmue.
Takenobu Mitsuyoshi, Sega's singer is one of them. Well, I think hate is not the best word here, jealousy fits better. Mizuguchi Tetsuya was one of the people who got jealousy about Shenmue.
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I love the slow parts as well! They are very calm and the game can be quite relaxing. But most general people don't I reckon..
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The slow pacing would be considered shit and such.
Considering how boring and "cinematic" games have become? I highly doubt that. :P
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The slow pacing would be considered shit and such.
Considering how boring and "cinematic" games have become? I highly doubt that. :P
It's not slow gameplay pacing. Actually slow paced story and actions as well. You have to explore a lot and such. I know that it's weird to think this way, but most people would instantly compare it to GTA.
I think games like Halo have a little more action lol
I prefer the flow of Shenmue though.
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And yes, most of the people involved on the Shenmue development (at least a lot) or not hates or hated Shenmue.
Takenobu Mitsuyoshi, Sega's singer is one of them. Well, I think hate is not the best word here, jealousy fits better. Mizuguchi Tetsuya was one of the people who got jealousy about Shenmue.
Source? Don't see why Mitsuyoshi would hate or be jealous of it, he doesn't make games, he makes the music, and he contributed music to Shenmue. And Mizuguchi worked on it, but he also might have been a little jeaous because of how much attention inside SEGA and the industry that Shenmue got over games of his.
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I think Mizuguchi is credited on Shenmue, as is Nagoshi. I don't get your point. "Sega" was making this game, not "AM2".
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Mitsuyoshi loves Shenmue, I have actually talked to him online about this, so unless he was lying to me for some random reason, he likes it!
SEGA has all the right in the world to hate the series, it was a big reason for them almost dying years back. The fact they are doing anything at ALL with the IP makes me happy. As long as I can play it and eventually find out what happens at the end of the story, I do not care what it is. I would even take like a series of books or even a crumpled up sheet of paper that sums up what happens in the rest of the story. Seriously.
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Who wrote the overall story of the Shenmue games, anyway? Was it one person or like a whole staff of people?
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Who wrote the overall story of the Shenmue games, anyway? Was it one person or like a whole staff of people?
Almost every little detail of the story, characters and general gameplay were all done by Yu Suzuki. Some other people helped with some of those most likely, but he had the original concept and final say in everything.
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In that case, yeah... He's definitely too busy of a man to be bothered with sitting down and writing a novel to complete the story. Shucks.
At least there will be fan fiction! =D
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i think i love fluffy
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So Kikizo was right :mrgreen:
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I hate to be a downer, but this will most likely be some horribly shitty casual online garbage monster game, and doesn't mean much for a real Shenmue Sequel.
Don't forget Burning Rangers came out on Mobile phone in Japan like, 2 years ago. We haven't seen anything good come from that.
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So Kikizo was right :mrgreen:
I've never really voiced my opinion, but I've always felt kikizo was "right." Shenmue 3 is probably basically done. The story is likely complete, some sort of models for all the characters likely exist, but they just haven't gotten around to porting it to a console. Now that so much time has passed, what they could have easily done would have to be drastically changed and it just hasn't been feasible to release Shenmue 3 in the state it was in. Just because we've heard and seen nothing about Shenmue 3 ever meant that Kikizo was lying. It just never happened, and poor Adam Doree took the fall for it. If you had a flakey scoop like that that may or may not ever have happened, wouldn't you report it? Obviously something's done, it has just been money and politics keeping it from reaching us.
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I have a feeling that this game will be some kind of hub for shenmue inspired mini games like gambleing, darts and so on... maybe even playable Sega games like After Burner... And not much more than that. Which would be fine with me honestly.
In fact i think it would be a good idea to raise the popularity of the Shenmue series.
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i think i love fluffy
Awww! ^___^ How very sweet of you to say...
Who else can feel the love tonight (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEtNbAsVHjg)? <3
I have a feeling that this game will be some kind of hub for shenmue inspired mini games like gambleing, darts and so on... maybe even playable Sega games like After Burner... And not much more than that. Which would be fine with me honestly.
Maybe the game will be about a caricature of Yu Suzuki continually shoveling a large pile of Japanese currency into an open furnace, and you play as a SEGA executive who tries to stop the cash from going in for as long as possible. When the total money burnt reaches the equivalent of 70 billion US dollars, the game is over.
[spoiler:jjlf0kue]Sorry; I know that this joke is rather cruel. ^^;;; It's so hard to resist telling, though... don't hate me![/spoiler:jjlf0kue]
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So Kikizo was right :mrgreen:
I've never really voiced my opinion, but I've always felt kikizo was "right." Shenmue 3 is probably basically done. The story is likely complete, some sort of models for all the characters likely exist, but they just haven't gotten around to porting it to a console. Now that so much time has passed, what they could have easily done would have to be drastically changed and it just hasn't been feasible to release Shenmue 3 in the state it was in. Just because we've heard and seen nothing about Shenmue 3 ever meant that Kikizo was lying. It just never happened, and poor Adam Doree took the fall for it. If you had a flakey scoop like that that may or may not ever have happened, wouldn't you report it? Obviously something's done, it has just been money and politics keeping it from reaching us.
I was saying that years ago at the sega forums. You don't spend 70 million on a four game disc. What people need to realise is SHENMUE is a game divided into 16 chapters. So the actual dev code/engine is finished, all they need to do as they do with any future release is refine the graphics/character models and commands
voice recording, etc and release the title like they do with the YAKUZA game. Like i said Sega want an exclusivitiy deal for this title because it deals with the extra costs like marketing among other things. But because of the debacle with SHENMUE ONLINE which looked like it was coming out at one point and another 25-30 million wasted, investment in this title as far as consoles go are quite weary. Despite anybody's criticisms of Sammy at least they did support it at one point.
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I was saying that years ago at the sega forums. You don't spend 70 million on a four game disc. What people need to realise is SHENMUE is a game divided into 16 chapters. So the actual dev code/engine is finished, all they need to do as they do with any future release is refine the graphics/character models and commands
voice recording, etc and release the title like they do with the YAKUZA game.
You spend 70 million on 7 discs worth of game play and the millions required to develop them from 1994 to 2001. Nothing of Shenmue III was finished at all, bar the basic script.
Modelling the new Characters the New World just haven't been finished and what little was done is years out of date of an old Dreamcast engine that was out of date on the X-Box, never mind now.
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^ ROJM said that, not me. The quote's off.
I mean yeah obviously the game isn't ready to simply be ported to a system, and I'm sure a ton of work is still required, but I do believe that there's a decent amount of work already completed.
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You spend 70 million on 7 discs worth of game play and the millions required to develop them from 1994 to 2001. Nothing of Shenmue III was finished at all, bar the basic script.
Modelling the new Characters the New World just haven't been finished and what little was done is years out of date of an old Dreamcast engine that was out of date on the X-Box, never mind now.
And now for proper evidence of this fact.
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You spend 70 million on 7 discs worth of game play and the millions required to develop them from 1994 to 2001. Nothing of Shenmue III was finished at all, bar the basic script.
Modelling the new Characters the New World just haven't been finished and what little was done is years out of date of an old Dreamcast engine that was out of date on the X-Box, never mind now.
And now for proper evidence of this fact.
Oooh...yeah he got you on that one.
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And now for proper evidence of this fact.
I could say fairy stories From the inside, or more to the point
Just that very little has ever been shown off of Shenmue III ?
That the $70 million Budget was all spent back in 2000
Some of the very 1st real-time shots of Shenmue on the DC showed what would become Shenmue II and a lot of it. Nothing bar 1 or 2 shots have been shown of what would be Shemmue III in 9 odd years, hardly anything .
I would imagine all the High Polygonal Modelling and scanning into the computer of the characters was done , most of the basic research in terms of pictures and videos of Kowloon all done , same for all the rooms
Actual full scale production of turning all that into a game, fit for a X-Box game (never mind 360, where everything would have to be remodelled again ) with full gameplay and AI however I doubt, after the flop that was Shenmue II
Shenmue III needs millions from the likes of SONY or Microsoft and they have little interest in the series, its proven to be not a console seller at all.
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That doesn't answer my doubt.
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TA is trust worthy, I can vouch for him. Having known him for years I can say he has gotten plenty of things right.
Then again so is Joe.
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Has anyone here seen the Shenmue Premiere video? There is footage of Niao Sun and Lan Di that has not been seen yet, and SEGA has said that Niao Sun is a character from the third game onwards. A cell phone wallpaper was given away at one point at Shenmue.com, there is video and pictures of her, and her model was in What's Shenmue?, so I think that's pretty good evidence that some work has been done on III.
Also, the Saturn video on Shenmue II...the very end shows clips of Ryo and Shenhua in Guilin. That means Shenmue II was pretty much done on the Saturn...they had to have done something on Shenmue III.
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Fuck Sony and MS. Why not release it on the Wii? At least they'd have an excuse for barely upgrading the visuals and get away with it.
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That doesn't answer my doubt.
Here's some scans from Magazines in early 1999 , after the whole Shenmue 20th December reveal show.
Most of the shots show a lot of what was in Shenmue II, never mind Shenmue I.
Total Control Feb 1999
(http://http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/5066607335_0df1fff579_b.jpg)
Total Control April 1999
(http://http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/5067216520_b41cb265ec_b.jpg)
Edge Feb 1999
(http://http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/5067215952_a1baaccd96_b.jpg)
(http://http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/5066605679_4485d4985a_b.jpg)
Edge Aug 1999
(http://http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4154/5067214832_4c849df351_b.jpg)
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EDGE March 1999
(http://http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4105/5066634479_70468de9e8_b.jpg)
(http://http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4104/5067243752_f32ae05163_b.jpg)
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Getting shots of anything that even resembles Shenmue III playable code is far harder, even when Shenmue II was in development. Can not see how or why SEGA would want to keep such a Huge Project like Shenmue III under raps for 9 years and hurting its own fans.
Never mind how it really could, in the days of widespread internet; Facebook and twitter and with a team of 200 staff . If it was getting towards finished and ready to go on the 360 , it would have leaked out by now
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I can't see why they would want to show what the game would become. All the screenshots show cityscapes and we all know the end of Shenmue II isn't exactly set in a city. Oh, speculation. Isn't it a favourite around these parts?
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TA is trust worthy, I can vouch for him. Having known him for years I can say he has gotten plenty of things right.
Then again so is Joe.
I find walls of text to be quite entertaining, if only most of them consisted of actual facts instead of opinions disguised as facts...
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I can't see why they would want to show what the game would become. All the screenshots show cityscapes and we all know the end of Shenmue II isn't exactly set in a city. Oh, speculation. Isn't it a favourite around these parts?
The shots show the very last bit of Shenmue II on Disc 4 and that's from a Mag scan back in Feb 1999 (and it takes 4 weeks to put a Mag together), never mind most of the stuff that happened in disc III in Shenmue II . All some 10 months before the 1st game shipped, never mind that Shenmue II didn't ship till Winter 2001 (even with a lot of work already done as the screen shots show)
Getting hold of any Shenmue III shots though is much more difficult, even when SEGA were showing off Shenmue and Shenmue II.
Kind of says to me that little of that game was even put in to real production.
And why would SEGA keep it under wraps for 9 years, only adding more and more hurt to its own fans. It really doesn't add up, if the game was getting ready to ship back in 2005, never mind in 2010.
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If so much was done ahead of release there is also reason to believe there could exist a lot of work done regarding Shenmue III. Why was it canned? I cannot tell you that... The general financial failure the game was could be a hint. Also, completed games are cancelled all the time and the Dreamcast sure has a fair amount of them.
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I find walls of text to be quite entertaining, if only most of them consisted of actual facts instead of opinions disguised as facts...
FACTS are near impossible to prove, unless you're wiling to lose your Job (say if you wrk for SEGA, or get a mate who does wrk in SEGA in trouble by revealing the source) Which no one in their right mind would do.
I'm not quoting facts or sources, just using some conmen sense. if Shenmue III was in full production with 200 staff working on it, it would have leaked out by now, even it was just a Twitter post)
Also there's quite a few AM#2 staff that left SEGA over the years, and I'm sure they've would have let slip Shenmue III is coming.
Shenmue III (for the Major consoles) will only be fact, when AM#2 and SEGA fully present the game to the Media. And I'm not getting any hopes up for that at all, just like I'm not for Orta II or Saga II.
I'm sure SEGA want to make the game and finish the story, but that will take some money from SONY or MS imo.
SEGA will not fund or risk another Shenmue game will it did before, more so when this generation games are so costly and dwarf what it cost SEGA to make Shenmue 1 (DC version ) in the 1st place.
It cost SEGA 20 $million just to make the Japanese version on the DC, and that with DC graphics and modelling. God knows how much it would cost to model it on the 360 or PS3, where everything would have to be redone.
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Sure :lol:
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Why was it canned? I cannot tell you that... The general financial failure the game was could be a hint.
Because the 2nd one sold really poor ?. Shenmue 1 sold really, really well , Shenmue II was sold poor for SEGA even in Japan
f so much was done ahead of release there is also reason to believe there could exist a lot of work done regarding Shenmue III
I would agree, but when SEGA were showing the Shenmue project, we only really got to see photo's of Shenmue and Shenmue II. Which points me to that work on Shenmue III was to be left for a latter date and hadn't gone into full production, even back then
Also, completed games are cancelled all the time and the Dreamcast sure has a fair amount of them.
Yes and they tend to leak on the Web for people to download, or be moved up to different platforms .If the Game was finished, it would have come to the X-Box like Shenmue II ?
You have to ask your self why would SEGA sit on a game for 9 years , and piss off so many of it own fans ?
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Sure :lol:
What did you find funny ?
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http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/1 ... mu_murata/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/10/10/shenmue_city_osamu_murata/)
seriously now, what the hell is going on??
Suzuki formed his own company?!
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Yu makes his own company and releases a cheap mobile phone game as the next chapter of his masterpiece?
This makes no sense. I am confused.
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Perhaps he's so determined to see his story continue that he'd go to whatever lengths necessary to get the series back up and running, even if it meant reducing a chapter down to a cheaply produced game.
Anything's better than letting your incomplete work die forever, right?
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Yu has formed his own company?
Return of the King.
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I REALLY don't think this last bit is true. I doubt Sega would let a company work on one of their IPs with out an official license to do so.
I don't think Yu has formed his own company either. There would be news im sure.
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So, Yu is running this game without Sega? Holy shit! I think he have found the way to make cash before starting making real games without Sega, since Sega looks like dont wanna spend money and time on him anymore.
Now I understand why there are no official releases about this game on the official Sega site.
Yes, Mitsuyoshi hated it! He started "liking" Shenmue after long years, by hearing people and fans talking and asking for it all the time. He then realised that they have made a great game. At that time Sega was separated into independent companies, but Shenmue got more money than all the others projects; it made people angry and jealous about this. Also, the people who worked directly in the game, got crazy and nervous, because nothing was good for Yu Suzuki. He was always telling people to redo things all the time. That's why most of the people at Sega hates or hated Shenmue(and Yu Suzuki).
Yeah, it was a 16 parts story. But there are 3 stories, if I remember correctly. Yu said there was 3 sagas.
I think this is the major issue for Sega, alongside the money, to make sequels to it. It's really a huge project. Yu also might dont want to make more cuts on the story, like he did on Shenmue 2. Shenfua was not supposed to appear at that time. The true story was different.
To make a sequel come true, I think it depends on Yu Suzuki to make it real. Hisao Ohguchi is not there anymore! This is the best chance XD
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I REALLY don't think this last bit is true. I doubt Sega would let a company work on one of their IPs with out an official license to do so.
I don't think Yu has formed his own company either. There would be news im sure.
Why not? Everyone knowed he was seeking for sponsors in China years ago to build his own company.
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To make a sequel come true, I think it depends on Yu Suzuki to make it real. Hisao Ohguchi is not there anymore! This is the best chance XD
You mean he (Hisao Ohguchi) is not there at this new company?
But I don't think SEGA would let another company make something Shenmue related, the copyright belongs to SEGA. Unless they hate it so much and give it to this new company or just to make a favour (like they did to Mitsuguchi with Rez).
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if Yu Suzuki doesn't work for SEGA anymore, nobody has proofs at him being at SEGA (there was a SEGA Sammy press release 2 years ago about personal changes where he appeared, but since then there are no news) and his team only made 2 unpopular games in the last 10 years... I think SEGA doesn't care anymore about Yu Suzuki. Maybe he works still at SEGA, but in the kitchen to cook for the management or clean shoes for them :D
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Has anyone here seen the Shenmue Premiere video? There is footage of Niao Sun and Lan Di that has not been seen yet, and SEGA has said that Niao Sun is a character from the third game onwards. A cell phone wallpaper was given away at one point at Shenmue.com, there is video and pictures of her, and her model was in What's Shenmue?, so I think that's pretty good evidence that some work has been done on III.
Also, the Saturn video on Shenmue II...the very end shows clips of Ryo and Shenhua in Guilin. That means Shenmue II was pretty much done on the Saturn...they had to have done something on Shenmue III.
Like i said, lets use common sense. No company will spend 70 million on a game, not even the old sega was crazy enough for that. That money was used to create everything needed for the title and remember that budget also included field trips to china when Suzuki did his research. A basic code of the larger game exists then all they would have to do is create the singular playable game from that code like models enviroments etc. SHENMUE 3 was further along than it was led to believe and that was down to the fact that sega thought the xbox sales for 2 would have been good enough for Microsoft to continue their exclusive deal for the game which if anyone remembers MS marketed the title rather than sega. Obviously it wasn't. And as for using leaked DC games as examples. Well there's two things SHENMUE wouldn't be the type of game you could leak because its a bigger title and would only have limited access to certain people. Second there are tons of canned sega games that has never been leaked but exist in a code form, CARBONDALE was one title which hasn't been leaked and that was done way after SHENMUE.
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No company will spend 70 million on a game, not even the old sega was crazy enough for that.
SEGA was and did
$70 Million on the project spent covering development from 1994 up to 2000 . There were many that didn't even believe the $70 million figure, it was so nuts at the time.
all they would have to do is create the singular playable game from that code like models enviroments etc.
If it was that simple and that easy , Shenmue III would have been out long before now . SEGA could have even shipped it for the X-Box not long after Shenmue II. Shemmue III is a massive project and given that there's still some 10 chapters left to go its not as easy or complete as people think, even a Shenmue III might not finish the whole story.
It took 2 games, and 7 years of development just to tell 5 chapters of the Shenmue story.
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Maybe worked was canned every early in , when it became very clear it offered nothing new and couldn't do anything better.
It's not at all comparably to Shenmue where vast chunks of the game and engine was already complete.
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Nope sorry, Sega didn't spend 70 million on a 4 disc game. it goes to show how little understanding you have for the industry. no suprise there then.
Now people don't need to take mine or TA's word for face value really but only one of us is stating facts that anyone here can actually find evidence to back them up. The biggest one being Sega Europe made a press release about SHENMUE 3. The one if you trust kikizio who has inside knowledge about sega and have been invited to sega japan on more than one occassion but have ties with many of the employees and ex employess there as well. Or the fact that several ex employees stated that a third game did exist and so on.
Now until someone clearly shows evidence that SHENMUE doesn't exist, instead of some quick hand comment or quote out of context, until someone can quote Yu saying we never made SHENMUE 3 instead of we got no plans for a third game making it ambigous than i suggest that person will shut up instead of turning this forum into "the world according to TA site and everyone else knows jack shit."
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Nope sorry, Sega didn't spend 70 million on a 4 disc game. it goes to show how little understanding you have for the industry. no suprise there then.
I never said SEGA did . $70 million spent on the project up until 2000, $20 million on the Japanese Dreamcast version alone
Read what people post.
Also I wonder where most people got the $70 million figure from ???
The biggest one being Sega Europe made a press release about SHENMUE 3
Hmm... the Same SEGA Europe that said Brave Fire Fighters, Jumbo Safari, Emergency Call Ambulance was coming to the DC all on the same disc ?.
Shenmue III was no doubt in production, given how little of it was shown off kind of says, not a lot of it was complete.
until someone can quote Yu saying we never made SHENMUE 3
Read what people say.
No one is saying that; The question is how much of Shemue III was coded for the DC, never mind consoles like the X-Box or 360, that is a huge difference.
Given that so little screens shots of the game was ever shown off, I was think not a lot . I remember seeing 2 screen shots on SEGA Europe and a couple here and there on the Web, and that is it. Even on the Shenmue tribute site's, getting any Shenmue III screen shots is though.
You know SEGA announced Skies of Arcade II had moved into Pre-Production, that it was Making Clockwork Knight RPG for the PS2 .
I wonder how much of those games was ever complete, or even if there were in a Playable state
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To make a sequel come true, I think it depends on Yu Suzuki to make it real. Hisao Ohguchi is not there anymore! This is the best chance XD
You mean he (Hisao Ohguchi) is not there at this new company?
But I don't think SEGA would let another company make something Shenmue related, the copyright belongs to SEGA. Unless they hate it so much and give it to this new company or just to make a favour (like they did to Mitsuguchi with Rez).
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if Yu Suzuki doesn't work for SEGA anymore, nobody has proofs at him being at SEGA (there was a SEGA Sammy press release 2 years ago about personal changes where he appeared, but since then there are no news) and his team only made 2 unpopular games in the last 10 years... I think SEGA doesn't care anymore about Yu Suzuki. Maybe he works still at SEGA, but in the kitchen to cook for the management or clean shoes for them :D
I mean Ohguchi is not Sega's President anymore. He was the one who canned all Shenmue related projects. He also canceled most of Yu's projects at Sega, like Psy-Phi.
There are rumors saying that Sega allowed Yu to use the codes etc, from Shenmue, but they are not giving him any money to do that. He has to pay the development of a new game.
Shenmue Machi is not made by Sega, but they are allowing him to do that, since Yu himself is paying for it.
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I don't wanna sound like a dick, but I've never heard of half the figures and statements Andromeda is throwing out. Can you back ANY of that up? Most of the stuff ROJM has mentioned I have at least seen before.
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I don't wanna sound like a dick, but I've never heard of half the figures and statements Andromeda is throwing out. Can you back ANY of that up? Most of the stuff ROJM has mentioned I have at least seen before.
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Dreamcast Shenmue II never made the UK all format top 10, I don't think it topped the charts in Europe and Media Create sales put it selling
Just over 120,000 in Japan
http://http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-BestSell2001.shtml
Like Joe said on SEGA nerds, Shenmue flopped.
Shenmue did sell well in the west, selling over a million copies. The sequel didn't come close, and that the killed the dream
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I don't wanna sound like a dick, but I've never heard of half the figures and statements Andromeda is throwing out. Can you back ANY of that up? Most of the stuff ROJM has mentioned I have at least seen before.
Honestly, when Storm!, ROJM, Ali and TA start conversing I get completely lost. It's like white noise to me. Numbers, links, Japanese names, scanned receipts and quoted quotes. I know there's something being said, but I can never crack it. :cry:
I love them all dearly, but everything might as well be written in dingbats. :P
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Hmm... TA is the only one writing Bibles here though.
I just don't like when people start ignoring the state of Sega now, just talking about the past, things that are no more important now.
How many Sega spent on Shenmue is not important anymore; the hottest thing for me now is about Yu near to leave Sega.
I also hate people who says loves Sega and care only about Sonic. These ones must die too.
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the hottest thing for me now is about Yu near to leave Sega.
yeah you are right .
this is the most interesting news at the moment!
do your magical stuff STORM! i want to know more!
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Has anyone here seen the Shenmue Premiere video? There is footage of Niao Sun and Lan Di that has not been seen yet, and SEGA has said that Niao Sun is a character from the third game onwards. A cell phone wallpaper was given away at one point at Shenmue.com, there is video and pictures of her, and her model was in What's Shenmue?, so I think that's pretty good evidence that some work has been done on III.
Also, the Saturn video on Shenmue II...the very end shows clips of Ryo and Shenhua in Guilin. That means Shenmue II was pretty much done on the Saturn...they had to have done something on Shenmue III.
Like i said, lets use common sense. No company will spend 70 million on a game, not even the old sega was crazy enough for that. That money was used to create everything needed for the title and remember that budget also included field trips to china when Suzuki did his research. A basic code of the larger game exists then all they would have to do is create the singular playable game from that code like models enviroments etc. SHENMUE 3 was further along than it was led to believe and that was down to the fact that sega thought the xbox sales for 2 would have been good enough for Microsoft to continue their exclusive deal for the game which if anyone remembers MS marketed the title rather than sega. Obviously it wasn't. And as for using leaked DC games as examples. Well there's two things SHENMUE wouldn't be the type of game you could leak because its a bigger title and would only have limited access to certain people. Second there are tons of canned sega games that has never been leaked but exist in a code form, CARBONDALE was one title which hasn't been leaked and that was done way after SHENMUE.
Are you saying I need to use common sense? I'm on your side, I think a skeleton of Shenmue III is somewhere in SEGA's closet.
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I just don't like when people start ignoring the state of Sega now, just talking about the past, things that are no more important now.
And what state would you the current SEGA Japan is in
How many Sega spent on Shenmue is not important anymore; the hottest thing for me now is about Yu near to leave Sega.
It is important, to any prospect of Shenmue III (in a console game form). Also if Yu Suzuki had left SEGA really isn't news (not saying its true). He's been semi-retired at SEGA for years, it not change a single aspect of the current SEGA, or make a Shenmue III more likely
Has I'll be pretty sure SEGA holds all the IP rights to the series and any future games
I also hate people who says loves Sega and care only about Sonic. These ones must die too.
Lots of people love SEGA for difference reasons; depending on their age, the game they liked best .Lots of people didn't get into SEGA until the Mega Drive, and a Large part of that is thanks to Sonic on the Mega Drive.
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Has anyone here seen the Shenmue Premiere video? There is footage of Niao Sun and Lan Di that has not been seen yet, and SEGA has said that Niao Sun is a character from the third game onwards. A cell phone wallpaper was given away at one point at Shenmue.com, there is video and pictures of her, and her model was in What's Shenmue?, so I think that's pretty good evidence that some work has been done on III.
Also, the Saturn video on Shenmue II...the very end shows clips of Ryo and Shenhua in Guilin. That means Shenmue II was pretty much done on the Saturn...they had to have done something on Shenmue III.
Like i said, lets use common sense. No company will spend 70 million on a game, not even the old sega was crazy enough for that. That money was used to create everything needed for the title and remember that budget also included field trips to china when Suzuki did his research. A basic code of the larger game exists then all they would have to do is create the singular playable game from that code like models enviroments etc. SHENMUE 3 was further along than it was led to believe and that was down to the fact that sega thought the xbox sales for 2 would have been good enough for Microsoft to continue their exclusive deal for the game which if anyone remembers MS marketed the title rather than sega. Obviously it wasn't. And as for using leaked DC games as examples. Well there's two things SHENMUE wouldn't be the type of game you could leak because its a bigger title and would only have limited access to certain people. Second there are tons of canned sega games that has never been leaked but exist in a code form, CARBONDALE was one title which hasn't been leaked and that was done way after SHENMUE.
Are you saying I need to use common sense? I'm on your side, I think a skeleton of Shenmue III is somewhere in SEGA's closet.
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No not you i was backing you up. Sorry for the mis understanding should have made it clearer.
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Read what people post.
You mean like how you spin and take people's comments out of context to fit your view in the world? practice what you preach.
I never said SEGA did . $70 million spent on the project up until 2000, $20 million on the Japanese Dreamcast version alone
Also I wonder where most people got the $70 million figure from ???
Now were changing the story, TA i had this discussion countless times with you and you have always said the DC version cost 70 million. And don't bother wondering, its widely know since Yu made that quote himself about 70 million went into Shenmue's development. its actually more with the production of part 3 and SHENMUE ONLINE.
The biggest one being Sega Europe made a press release about SHENMUE 3
Hmm... the Same SEGA Europe that said Brave Fire Fighters, Jumbo Safari, Emergency Call Ambulance was coming to the DC all on the same disc ?.
What, so because it didn't happen that made it not true? i don't remember them ever stating that anyhow.
Shenmue III was no doubt in production, given how little of it was shown off kind of says, not a lot of it was complete.
Who said it was. :roll:
until someone can quote Yu saying we never made SHENMUE 3
Read what people say.
No one is saying that; The question is how much of Shemue III was coded for the DC, never mind consoles like the X-Box or 360, that is a huge difference.
Given that so little screens shots of the game was ever shown off, I was think not a lot . I remember seeing 2 screen shots on SEGA Europe and a couple here and there on the Web, and that is it. Even on the Shenmue tribute site's, getting any Shenmue III screen shots is though.
So now you agree an actual game exists? Oh hah hell frozen over :lol: Really and don't bother spinning it, its quite clear what people have been saying in this topic before you hijacked it once again diverting what should be about SHENMUE into something called TA knows it all once again. You always do it and its getting quite silly now.
You know SEGA announced Skies of Arcade II had moved into Pre-Production, that it was Making Clockwork Knight RPG for the PS2 .
I wonder how much of those games was ever complete, or even if there were in a Playable state
CWK RPG was set for Gamecube not PS2, and lemme see you said quite clearly to me that SOA2 never happened not even in pre production stage. Boy hell hath frozen over again. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Yeah, I was never aware the SEGA had ever announced Skies 2 or the compilation disc.
Or that SEGA had ever announced the preproduction of any game ever.
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TA i had this discussion countless times with you and you have always said the DC version cost 70 million
This is what gets me with you . Everyone knows (and the posts are still there) that I always said the Japanese DC version cost $20 million and the project cost $70 million.
Don't even try and make out otherwise
its widely know since Yu made that quote himself about 70 million went into Shenmue's development.
No from a interview with Game over by any chance ?. Its also confirmed in a feature with Sato in the Official Dreamcast Magazine
What, so because it didn't happen that made it not true
No it means even when games are announced, they can stop production.
Who said it was
Kikzo.
So now you agree an actual game exists
Of course it exists, but how complete is it, That is the question. Given how so little of it was even shown off , I doubt very much of it at all. Also I doubt Shenmue III would finish the story with over 10 chapters left to be told
lemme see you said quite clearly to me that SOA2 never happened not even in pre production stage
No you always liked to make out SOA II was coming, so was Hang-On, So was Shinobi and GOD knows how many more SEGA games.
I just made the point to you, it was not coming has it never got past the Pre Production stage. Which at the time was very much correct, like with the new Hang-On and Shinobi (which went on to become Silver in Sonic 06 if u must know)
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Okay well... Let's get back to Shenmue City talk. Which there really isn't any. So let's stop the fighting. The reality of Shenmue 3 is that none of us actually know anything.
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Agreed. ^
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Okay well... Let's get back to Shenmue City talk. Which there really isn't any. So let's stop the fighting. The reality of Shenmue 3 is that none of us actually know anything.
I don't mean to do people's heads in, but when you recorded and watched this back in 2000.
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One does know Shenmue cost more than $20 million
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Game was pricey. Was that $70mil figure used solely on the first Shenmue? Possibly, but we've all seen stuff from Shenmue II early on, so I'm leaning towards it being a project figure. That said, SHENMUE CITY!
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Was that $70mil figure used solely on the first Shenmue
No the Shenmue Project up until that point. The Japanese DC version of Shenmue 1 cost SEGA $25 million to make, I think it also made into the Guinness book of World Records
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I thought it was always known that the Shenmue I for the Dreamcast cost $20 million and the project as a whole cost $70 from R&D for VFRPG until Shenmue I?
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This is what gets me with you . Everyone knows (and the posts are still there) that I always said the Japanese DC version cost $20 million and the project cost $70 million.
Don't even try and make out otherwise
No not everyone knows. You were saying the reverse. So stop lying.
its widely know since Yu made that quote himself about 70 million went into Shenmue's development.
No from a interview with Game over by any chance ?. Its also confirmed in a feature with Sato in the Official Dreamcast Magazine
So you agree with me he said it himself. So why atre you saying no.You can't even be consistent.
What, so because it didn't happen that made it not true
No it means even when games are announced, they can stop production.
depends WHEN they stopped production. But you don't even know when certain games are in production.
Who said it was
Kikzo.
Kikizo don't post in these forums. Who posted in here that said that? The sheepspinner continues.
So now you agree an actual game exists
Of course it exists, but how complete is it, That is the question. Given how so little of it was even shown off , I doubt very much of it at all. Also I doubt Shenmue III would finish the story with over 10 chapters left to be told
END OF ARGUMENT. That was the point. now please do me a favour and shut the hell up ok, kid?
No you always liked to make out SOA II was coming, so was Hang-On, So was Shinobi and GOD knows how many more SEGA games.
I just made the point to you, it was not coming has it never got past the Pre Production stage. Which at the time was very much correct, like with the new Hang-On and Shinobi (which went on to become Silver in Sonic 06 if u must know)
SOA2 was quoted by several people not just me includingSega higher ups. And please before we use the game development time lots of sega games are in dev before they can it.i can give many examples, so try again.
Never said HANG ON was being made EVER, SHINOBI as far as i know was being shopped around which is what i said from the start. But coming from the guy who said SAMBA wasn't getting made Valykria never going to get a sequel and hey tried to pass off that he knew about it before a certain member did isn't to be trusted and GOD knows what. And the thing is TA, i don't have the rep a twister or a liar like you do because other people have seen it for themselves.
Now please stop turning the forum into your personal TA knows the world forum. I'm fed up with you derailing other people's topics, twisting and downright lying about other users and specifically things that you said and turining the topic about a game into all about you. You want to do that in GR be my guess but don't do it here.
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WHAT THE HELL? STOP THE STUPID ARGUMENT. YOU BOTH SOUND DUMB. SHENMUE. YAHOO. BOO HOO.
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A tidbit - Clockwork Knight RPG was for the GCN, and Skies 2 was most certainly discussed around 2002/2003. I very distinctly remember the head of Overworks talking with IGN about it, along with upcoming Sakura games.
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SAMBA wasn't getting made Valykria never going to get a sequel and hey tried to pass off that
Yes Samba II on the PSP, which never happened (unlike what was said on that bullscrap list) , and Val II on the PS3 I'm still waiting for. What about those several Yu Suzuki games ?, which you said were coming, when anyone dared to make out, Yu days at SEGA were numbed ?
Never said HANG ON was being made EVER, SHINOBI as far as i know was being shopped around which is what i said from the start
You were saying years back that a new hang On was in production.
Yes Shinobi was in development, but it got dropped and the team worked on Sonic 06
But you don't even know when certain games are in production.
When you don't see any screen shots, get any updates, any new builds for previews, That tends to make out the game is in serious trouble, has be cancelled, or put on the back burner until the team can come up with new ideas, to make it work.
No not everyone knows. You were saying the reverse. So stop lying
$70 million for Shenmue 1 on the DC and $20 million for the project in Total ? That makes no scene what so ever.
I taped the Game Over special back in the autumn of 2000. Knew since then the $70 Million figure of Shenmue, as did anyone that also watched Game Over, it not inside news at all. It was also discussed in the Official Dreamcast Cast Magazine (Uk)
Kikizo don't post in these forums
One I could ask how do you know, or do you know personally ever member here. But more to the point, it was jokingly brought up that Kikizo were right about Shenmue III good to go.
SOA2 was quoted by several people not just me includingSega higher ups
Yes it was announced back in 2001, that pre-production worked had started but we're in 2010. I think its safe to say it never made into full production or is complete (given we've seen nothing of it) . You still maintained , like that bullcrap list it was still coming, years back.
Maybe one day it will come.
That was the point
? Everyone knows that the chapters have been completed, every one knew that before the 1st game made it out. The question is how much has been turned into a full game. Given that we seen so little of anything that could be classed as Shenmue III, could mean very little was made into a game or playable code .
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I think its safe to say it never made into full production or is complete (given we've seen nothing of it).
Wait a second...you've been saying that if work was done on a game, we'd have likely heard of it by now because it's apparently impossible to have a game in development without it leaking?
That was the point
? Everyone knows that the chapters have been completed, every one knew that before the 1st game made it out. The question is how much has been turned into a full game. Given that we seen so little of anything that could be classed as Shenmue III, could mean very little was made into a game or playable code .
And now you're saying that we've seen nothing because very little was done, yet we've seen nothing of Skies 2 and you say it might be complete?
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Wait a second...you've been saying that if work was done on a game, we'd have likely heard of it by now because it's apparently impossible to have a game in development without it leaking?
Yes these days it's pretty impossible and most 3rd party developers would want you to know what its working on, after its got some decent playable code or something to show off .
It's 9 years now, no sign of the PS2 version, I think its safe to say its not coming, Maybe the team after doing well on Val , will want to start to work on a brand new sequel to SOA, or then again maybe not
And now you're saying that we've seen nothing because very little was done
None of us know how much of Shenmue III was ever done, given that so little of the game was ever shown, despite Shenmue II shots being in every Magazine (before Shenmue 1 even came out ) and Shenmue II footage even in the Saturn version , but hardly anything of Shenmue III shown Leads some to think, little of the game was actually done
yet we've seen nothing of Skies 2 and you say it might be complete?
I'm not saying it's complete at all. I doubt it ever made it past the Pre Production stage and was dropped in 2002
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WHAT THE HELL? STOP THE STUPID ARGUMENT. YOU BOTH SOUND DUMB. SHENMUE. YAHOO. BOO HOO.
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LOL! Are you still talking about Shenmue 3? XDD
Of course there was not a SHENMUE 3 in production at Sega, as well there was not a SHENMUE 2.
They were just making the whole thing, and then, cutting it in pieces and filling the GDs to make a single game.
Yu Suzuki was the one telling them where the first part had to end as well the other parts.
Shenmue 2 actually was not supposed to be released. Yu Suzuki was the one who made it with the money his "independent" studio had at that time (money given from Sega, of course). Sega asked him if he was sure about it, and he said "- Yes! Let's release it!"...
That's why his next studios was turned into a small thing inside Sega, almost insignificant. Digital Rex was supposed to do online games with the Chinese/Koreans.
Right after Shenmue 2 release, the team was already waiting for the go sign from Sega to finish the job of Shenmue 3, so yes, they had a lot of material produced for it, but the game itself was never in full production, but they had a lot of things already done, since they were working on it a lot of time ago. Like I said, they were just cutting it in pieces. For example, Shenfua was not supposed to appear that soon on the series, but they had she already modeled and all the scenarios prepaired for it.
Yu was not sure about the future of the series, but told people to hold their clear data of Shenmue 2 on the DC visual memory. Sadly, Sega has never gave him the go sign to make a sequel...
Like many people should know, there is one person at Sega who have got the mission from Yu to make a sequel, if Sega wanted it to be out, but Yu still being the only one person who knows how the story ends.
Another thing many people probably already knows, is that Sega has thrown away all Shenmue related materials (including sequels) to the garbade years ago, when Sega was reestructuring Sega's AM divisions (SEGA-AM2).
They might have digitalized what was important.
Returning to Shenmue City, Sega still quiet about it, and it is not 100% secure this game is coming out.
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Um, no? DR was supposed to bigger titles, and Am2 was supposed to stick with the arcades and everything. YS has always been interested in online stuff, he's said that, but DR was focusing on bigger key titles. They even had a picture of Shenmue on their main page.
Also, I highly doubt SEGA would throw anything from cancelled or postponed games, as they could easily release it later.
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Again, can we move this fantastical Shenmue speculation to a different thread? I have no idea where you guys are pulling half of this story from. I'm almost tempted to write my own "This what Yu did with Shenmue" story.
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Again, can we move this fantastical Shenmue speculation to a different thread? I have no idea where you guys are pulling half of this story from. I'm almost tempted to write my own "This what Yu did with Shenmue" story.
I'm trying to stick to actual facts from the Team or SEGA. Here's also the 70 million figure form Official Dreamcast magazine and talk of Saturn Shenmue, before most would ever believed it
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Also, I highly doubt SEGA would throw anything from cancelled or postponed games, as they could easily release it later.
Its storm, he's just flamebating again.
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At least Im talking about newest things, not like you only talking about the old past of Sega whatsoever.
Yeah, Sega has thrown all Shenmue related things on the garbage, all the physics ones. They dont need it anymore.
It was said by an ex-Sega employee.
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Okay, fuck it, can someone just delete this thread? Please? Or maybe lock it?
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At least Im talking about newest things, not like you only talking about the old past of Sega whatsoever.
Yeah, Sega has thrown all Shenmue related things on the garbage, all the physics ones. They dont need it anymore.
It was said by an ex-Sega employee.
Haha, your sources are sketchy then. Why would a game company throw something like that away? They could easily at least sell it to Suzuki and make something off of it.
Okay, fuck it, can someone just delete this thread? Please? Or maybe lock it?
Dude, it's all Shenmue related, it isn't going to wreck the forum or anything.
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Haha, your sources are sketchy then. Why would a game company throw something like that away? They could easily at least sell it to Suzuki and make something off of it.
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Its storm he's just winding people up with 'some' true laced with complete bull.
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Now that's confirmed! Sega has officialized [SHENMUE GAI]
The game is not a sequel, and it is actually a paralel world, where you begin in Yokosuka, exactly where Shenmue 1 has begun.
As you can see in the official site, there are some characters from the canceled [SHENMUE ONLINE]. As well they are reusing the CG models from the past titles.
The game is free, but the items not. You have to purchase them.
The service starts this winter in mobile version and PC version of Mobagee Town.
Sega is not developing it, Sega is not publishing it, Sega is not paying for it. Sega is just doing supervision.
The shocking news? The studio developing it is called "YS NET", that was build in November, 2008!!! The director and total developer is Yu Suzuki himself. He build this company and has been out of Sega since then. My God, Yu has abandoned Sega since 2008 and nobody knew that! He is now an independent game creator.
I can't believe the most iconic Sega's creator has pulled out... I'm completely sad and shocked for the rest of my life.
Since Sega is not going to publish this title, Sunsoft was the company who believed on it. They also have opened the official site for the social game.
http://sunsoft.jp/shenmue-gai/ (http://sunsoft.jp/shenmue-gai/)
And the official release from Sega:
http://sega.jp/corp/release/2010/1101/ (http://sega.jp/corp/release/2010/1101/)
A movie showing the game will be released soon.
The link from gamewatch:
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/ne ... 04070.html (http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20101101_404070.html)
From the official release from Sega, sounds like they are not involved on the development, but it's still being a Sega title.
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I'm actually excited about all that news! Yu himself is behind it. Just the idea of him working on ANYTHING Shenmue really excites me.
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He did not leave SEGA in 2008. If you read the finical reports, he was still working at SEGA after 2008. You can start your own company and still work at another company.
See Mikami with Platinum Games. He started his own development company while working with Vanquish. Most likely, Yu started the company while still working at SEGA, if you read the other ones he was slowly being let go after each year. Probably a way of leaving the company by his own means.
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He did not leave SEGA in 2008. If you read the finical reports, he was still working at SEGA after 2008. You can start your own company and still work at another company.
See Mikami with Platinum Games. He started his own development company while working with Vanquish. Most likely, Yu started the company while still working at SEGA, if you read the other ones he was slowly being let go after each year. Probably a way of leaving the company by his own means.
It does not changes the fact he is not in Sega anymore...
Making a brand new social game... come on! -_-
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Ok! I got more info(faster than Sonic, huh!? ;p).
Looks like he has not left Sega completely. He is an independent creator now, but... his company is supposed to be at in the same place (or near) Sega or inside Sega official building.
There are no more info about his company at now ;P
A bit happier now XD!!
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I don't get how a person working on a SEGA IP, who created the IP, and is still the same person as he was then, and is working on the IP again (albeit outside of SEGA) is suddenly a disgrace because he doesn't have the name "SEGA" on his business card.
And the whining about a social game needs to stop. The Shenmue series would never ever go from nothing to a huge third release, it needs baby steps. It has been, what, 8 years since the last release? SASASR playable character and Shenmue City are major strides for a series that had been dead for so long. Seeing these smaller projects makes Shenmue 3 much more of a possibility than before.
I say this is a very positive announcement!
EDIT: posted this as STORM posted, glad to see a happy face. :) I agree, it's always good to have that official connection, but I don't think it breaks the series. If anything, it's awesome that hes working with SEGA on Shenmue anything. And being independent allows him a bit more freedom to propose projects. Imagine SEGA publishing a Shenmue 3 with Yu hired as an indie dev just as SEGA has done with Sumo and Platinum! A man can dream...
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Already posted it on the front page and sent it through the right channels ;3
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Im not saying I dislike the works from people who have left Sega; I just dont wanna see them leaving Sega.
But, actually, most of the people who have left, has done almost "not so nice" games till now...
Personally, Mizuguchi is the only one who has made good things without Sega for me. Marc Cerny and Yasuhara have been made great things too, but they are not the main creators of the projects they have worked.
Its hard to work on games in Japan now, you dont have "freedom", and you also need a high budget to do things, and you cant earn that ammount of money without someone big (like Sega) behind you.
However, yeah, Barry is right. This game, Shenmue Gai (not machi) has everything to make a big profit for Yu, since social games are making a lot of money around the world, and tiny companies are now bigger in value than, for example, Electronic Arts :shock:
The issue here, I think, is Sega. If the game makes profits, they might take all for them, LOL! Yu is lost XDDD
And now a curiosity: Sunsoft has developed and published [SUPER FANTASY ZONE] on the Mega-Drive in the past. This game is now available at the Wii Virtual Console. I think this is the second time they works with Sega.
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I must admit, I'm a bit excited now. After the first announcement I didn't care about it, but this sounds interesting now.
I like the idea of a parallel story and that they are re-using parts of Shenmue Online and that SEGA is supervisioning it. I think this is a test for the franchise. With this parallel story they can test a lot of things, without changing too much of Shenmue and I'm sure if it will be a success it won't be the last Shenmue game.
Looking forward to see more.
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Yu Suzuki hasn't left Sega... He made a game in Sega that released in 2008.
I also see Segas logo on the website and the new banner so I assume they are pretty involved with this.
Where do you get the news that Sega wont put any money into it? I doubt thats true... It also looks like they will be co-publishing it.
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I'll bet the "alternate universe" is more of a way of saying "replay Shenmue 1 in a different gameplay style". Unless they throw some sort of OMFG twists, like Chai killing Nozomi or Fukusan being one of the men in black.
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Why do I get the feeling that this Shenmue City is really a repackaged Shenmue Online?
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Alternate universe.......... Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhh!!
Not a fan of that news at all, but I want to check this out anyways.
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Someone emailed me the YS NET developers page. Two things went up today, a message from Yu Suzuki and a PDF. Can someone translate the Yu Suzuki message?
http://www.ysnet-inc.jp/ (http://www.ysnet-inc.jp/)
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Until our Japanese speaking folks do it, I tried Google Translate on the document and got a rather comprehensive translation. I can't copy paste as Google Translate adds a lot of garbage characters, but I'd suggest giving it a try.
Not too much new info, however it does mention that YS NET is being supervised by SEGA, and Shenmue City is a joint project. Also, this is YS NET's first project.
They also give a short history of the series, and seem to consider this a "revival" of the series. More to come perhaps? Shenmue 3 please?
Contact info as well:
Inquiries about this matter
SEGA PR team CS Marketing Division
TEL:03-5736-7186 FAX:03-5736-7195 TEL :03-5736-7186 FAX :03-5736-7195
YS NET YS NET, Inc.
E-Mail：support@ysnet-inc.jp E-Mail: pr-sunsoft@sun-denshi.co.jp (http://mailto:pr-sunsoft@sun-denshi.co.jp)
Public Relations Department; DeNA Inc.: Tateishi Matsumoto
TEL: 03-5304-1732 FAX: 03-5304-1770 TEL: 03-5304-1732 FAX: 03-5304-1770
E-Mail： pr@dena.jp (http://mailto:pr@dena.jp)
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AndriaSang did a translation, posted it on the front page.
Are we going to poke around at the PR :)
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I dont know what to make of this...
I hope it's good and I hope it makes a fuck ton of money.
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The Shenmue Dojo forum folks are linking to us, STORM done good.
Check out Shenmue.com, mobile game or not, it's really freakin cool to see that old site get an update! I remember checking it back in 2003 for new info.
http://www.shenmue.com/index_jpn.html (http://www.shenmue.com/index_jpn.html)
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^ I was looking at that this morning... I also remember checking this site way back in the day. The updated Shenmue.com and link to it from the Shenmue City page is nothing but good news for the series.
I'll take ANY little bit of news as good news for this series. I was happy to see Ryo in Sega All-star Racing, I'm even happier to see this.
A new Shenmue game announced and Yu Suzuki is talking again. This is a step closer to more 'ture' Shenmue I think, if only baby steps. If Sega makes money from this Shenmue game I see at least a possibility of the series returning.
This from the Shenmue.com site made me chuckle,
(C)SEGA ,1999,2001,2010
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This from the Shenmue.com site made me chuckle,
(C)SEGA ,1999,2001,2010
yeah me too .
i am so glad that yu suzuki formed his own studio. that alone is a news worthy to me.
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It's a shame to see him move away from AM2 and now making an online game for mobile device though... I don't really approve of that move.
So long as Shenmue Street/City/Town what ever they call it is a good game and brings in big fans and big profits then awesome.
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This is awesome. Wonder what came of AM Plus?
And semi off topic, whatever happened to Shin Ishikawa?
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Not 100% correct, but didn't AM Plus get shut down? I thought I read this in a press release. Either that or they got merged under another studio.
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Wow, I was on this site for hours before I took notice of the Shenmue City news. @_@ Every time I see Shenmue images in the news section of a site, I usually think it's like another one of those "SEGA PLEASE MAKE SHENMUE 3" or "HEY GUYS WASN'T SHENMUE THE GREATEST?" types of articles.
I didn't realize it was actual Shenmue news at first. xD This is almost too surreal.
As for the game itself: Like I said on the front page, it’s too strange that they’re going down the “alternate universe” route when they haven’t even finished the tale of one universe yet.
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“Never say never” on Shenmue III, says Sega boss
http://http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=273174
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HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT
(http://http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2853/shen3.jpg)
MS funded Shenmue 3 (360 exclusive) co-developed by SEGA and YS NET! Game features optional Kinect features allowing for the ability to explore locations and objects. Players can also enjoy mini-games via Kinect controls (darts, pool, slots, cards).
...or not...
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wtf barry ur so funny
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Why does people want Shenmue 3 to be the final chapter when we already knows there are a lot of chapters on it? I dont want to go straight to the final battle... I want to see and play everything Yu Suzuki have prepaired for us ;P without cuts!
About YS NET, looking the map, we can clearly see that his studio is not inside Sega; its in another location but at the same street as Sega build stills.
I think Yu is on the same boat as Naka Yuji; if it fails again, no more Yu Suzuki games from Sega... ;__; (Sega is doing nothing on it though:p)
Glad to see I was faster enough on bringing this news XDDD I feel happy to make people happy.
About the game, they said that Ryo is not the main character. You will create your own character and starts in Yokosuka.
Better that than nothing. Im awaiting for the PC version, not the mobile phone version.
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"The Final Chapter" was a joke, though I do think that many fans would prefer closure in an epic finale rather than yet another "to be continued... (?)". I don't think our hearts can take another cliffhanger.
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Why does people want Shenmue 3 to be the final chapter when we already knows there are a lot of chapters on it? I dont want to go straight to the final battle... I want to see and play everything Yu Suzuki have prepaired for us ;P without cuts!
Because nobody wants to risk another ten year cliff-hanger!
Anyway, I was really bloody skeptical about this game at first, thinking it would be nothing but rubbish shovelware made by some tin-cup developer, but now...
Okay I'm actually pretty excited. It's got SOME involvement at least by the greatest Game designer who ever walked the planet, and it's a legitimate new Shenmue game. Fingers crossed everyone.
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Then, it should be the longest game ever made ;p Dont want too many cuts.
By the way, look at the Shenmue CGs. Man, its so "next gen"! And it was made 8 years ago... beautiful!
YS NET site also has a list with all works by Yu Suzuki, and, oh God, he pratically made Sega! The list is separated in "as Director" and "as Producer".
Too many games! Epic games!
They should make a list for the "cancelled games" too. LOL!
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YS NET site also has a list with all works by Yu Suzuki, and, oh God, he pratically made Sega! The list is separated in "as Director" and "as Producer".
Too many games! Epic games!
They should make a list for the "cancelled games" too. LOL!
actually the list is missing VF4Evo, Outrun 2, Virtua Cop 3 ( all of them as a producer )
about the canceled games ... Shenmue(Saturn), Propeller Arena, PSY-PHI, Shenmue Online ( all of them as a director )
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]About YS NET, looking the map, we can clearly see that his studio is not inside Sega; its in another location but at the same street as Sega build stills.
Well AM#2 wasn't isn't in the same building as SEGA HQ but right next to it, and UGA was in Shinbuya.
though I do think that many fans would prefer closure in an epic finale rather than yet another "to be continued.
The trouble is its all in Chapters and there's there still over 10 left to be told. If SEGA was to finish off Shemmue then would need a Part IV or maybe even V (I want the story be told the way it was planned too). Its a shame because the money and man power invested in Yakuza project, SEGA could have done it be now, and with the Shenmue Hype, SEGA could have had that world wide game it is desperate for. To me Shenmue III would have sold far better in the west, than Yakuza III
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I always thought that the pacing in 2 was better, but I enjoyed the slow start in 1 as well.
Hard to say. With the way games work now, SEGA can release the game, DLC after then in a year re-sell it for 60 again as the Ultimate edition.
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I always thought that the pacing in 2 was better, but I enjoyed the slow start in 1 as well.
I found Shenmue slow and boring, but it was just setting the scene and introducing you to the world, story and characters...as soon as it got going it finished; Shenmue II on the other hand was just incredible from start to finish and the disc 3 and 4, some of the very best moments seen in any game, Disc 4 was nothing but incredible and so magical and quite spiritual
It still makes me sick that you see SquareSoft and Enix sell their RPG in the millions (even though Square suck at RPG's, bar FF12) and Shenmue sold so poor , meaning we'll never see the end
It's not fair
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I absolutely loved the slowness of Shenmue. It was a great game to pop in even at 11 at night, because you could take the casual route and explore the town. Also, I thought the more action packed scenes felt bigger when compared to the slower moments. I recall playing the game during a snowy winter morning during Christmas break and I just happened to be at the point where it was nearing Christmas in Yokosuka. Magical stuff.
In complete agreeance on the excellence of Shenmue 2, especially the final two discs. Hoo boy!
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Was this posted?
he game kicks off in Yokosuka, the setting of the original Shenmue. Players serve as the game's main character themselves and follow a story. The game promises a number of characters, along with compelling visuals. It will have a social aspect, although Sunsoft has not shared details.
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/1 ... y_details/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/11/01/first_shenmue_city_details/)
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So it's like an MMO inside Shenmue's universe... Like Shenmue Online was supposed to be?
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Though Shenmue Online took place during Shenmue 2, while Shenmue City takes place during Shenmue 1. Except they're borrowing characters originally meant to be living in Hong Kong, and now they live in Yokosuka. At least, that's what this is sounding like to me.
Sounds pretty cool! Hopefully we'll be able to mess around with it despite it being all in Japanese.
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I know I'll be signing up to it as soon as I know how.
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If we all start taking japanese lessons we can all play it by christmas..
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I already know Japanese desu.
Kawaiiii~~~ （⌒▽⌒） (=゜ω゜) (≧ω≦)
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Isn't ω angular velocity?
ω= |v|sin(θ) / |r|
Physics yo, mastering it.
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Someone needs to fix some footages or screenshots of that conference.
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That was embarrassing.
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Recap, basically stolen from AndriaSang's live blog. Go me.
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I thought there was going to be some form of exploration as that was pretty much the whole concept of the games.
Still excited, I guess.
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Seems like its going to be more 'browser' based, sort of like farmsville or mafia wars.
FACEBOOK GET CRACKING.
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At times like this, it really pisses me off how much of a waste of space and effort PlaySEGA has been overall. Shenmue City would have been perfect for something like that, but I bet they rather put in another game of cards or another Naruto-inspired outfit your avatar can change into.