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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Happy Cat on December 24, 2010, 02:45:47 pm
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Saw this on neogaf, it's great
(http://http://i53.tinypic.com/2liivrk.jpg)
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Kinect is about pleasing stockholders and kinectards it doesn't have a fucking thing to do with gaming. Wii was the same shit.. Please don't be gullible.
Illustration couldn't have said it better... corporate management kills creativity, charm, freedom, enthusiasm, exact same words I used when naive little fools were dismissing what I was saying.
When I used to have a life I worked in a big business so I know how that happens. Why do you think Bungee left MS? Cuz they hate money?
Fucking idiot management (that regards you the gamer as subhuman scum) chasing a demographic while it whips the slaves in the corporate assembly line of crap to work harder and less passionately and more submissively.
You could redo the same illustration with "Sega" and a blue sonic the hedgehog and it would be the exact same thing.
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Kinect is about pleasing stockholders and kinectards it doesn't have a fucking thing to do with gaming. Wii was the same shit.. Please don't be gullible.
Just like the Sega Activator and those bloody Yu Suzuki 'moving' arcade machines for Afterburner. Those casual bastards!
Any game that doesn't use dials and switches to control is horse-shit.
Seriously though, the Kinect line up does look a bit thin on the ground at the moment, but theres some interesting stuff in the pipeline. As for RARE, maybe if their games were actually selling...
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SEGA Activator was a bad idea... poorly supported, ... etc.
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Kinect is about pleasing stockholders and kinectards it doesn't have a fucking thing to do with gaming. Wii was the same shit.. Please don't be gullible.
Just like the Sega Activator and those bloody Yu Suzuki 'moving' arcade machines for Afterburner. Those casual bastards!
And Playstation Move?
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There is a difference, Sony isn't forcing their first party studios to use Move. Naughty Dog did an interview stating that if they use move, its because they want to and that Sony doesn't force them to.
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Wait, Sega forced 3rd parties to use the Activator and Yu Suzuki's ride on Arcade machines?
The move is the same, pointless shit as Kinect and... and it's EXACTLY the same pointless shit as the Wii. I would at least give M$ credit for trying something new and interesting. Maybe it wont work out, but at least it isnt a clone of the Wiimote.
End of the day, 90% of the games that come out of these motion controllers are just bad gimmicks, the ones that aren't usually play better with normal hand held controllers... I still just want to use a stick, d-pad and buttons.
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I agree with the shark. Any of these are only as good as the developers that make games for them. The Wii may be hokey, but it has already proven itself to me just with gun shooters.
Maybe Kinect will too. I haven't seen anything yet to make me buy it,but it may still happen.
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I like the wii remote/move
Kinect not so much
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Did you ever want to know what the bottom of a former Rare employee's foot looked like? WELL BAM!
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Hey, I prefer classic controllers too, I even build my own Arcade sticks!
I just think it's funny that everyone cries foul when Microsoft tries something new with Kinect. Analogue controls, moving arcade cabinets and even D-Pads were new and strange at one point too after all.
I was saying that if Kinect has 'nothing to do with gaming' then can you extend that to say that Yu Suzuki's moving arcade cabinet for Afterburner had 'nothing to do with gaming'? What about making Virtua Fighter in 3D rather than 2D? Are they just 'gimmicks' to fool people as well?
The world record holder in Afterburner high-scores says that using a non-moving cabinet is preferrable for high-scores, so clearly the moving cabinet is a casual gimmick made only to fool idiots who aren't REAL gamers (like Australians) into wasting their money on a sub-standard gaming experience. Right?
Is Kinect going to set the world on fire and become the new standard? Probably not, but there will probably be some cool ideas and concepts to come of it. I know Child of Eden looks like a unique experience at least. Fighters Uncaged is poorly executed, but being able to play a fighting game with full body controls is just a really great idea, and hopefully they can build on it to make something even better.
As for stifling Rare's creativity... they are running a business after all, if their recent games haven't been performing to Microsoft's standards it's not like I expect them to throw money and creative freedom to them.
Anyway, I'm just playing Devil's Avocado. I own a Kinect, but only because I got a killer deal for it and theres some games on the horizon I would like to try out. At the moment there's not a lot that's really blowing my skirt up for the system and I hope that theres some better things down the pipeline.
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The most interesting things happening with Kinect are all the experimental demos being cooked up by people who have hacked it. Hopefully some of these fascinating experiments will eventually trickle into gameplay. But Kinect is a device with a longer term vision and broader applications than just games. I have to think M$ positioned it as a mainstream entertainment device in order to bring down manufacturing costs for more ambitious devices in the next several years.
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The issue is that Kinect, in mind, is trying to get the demographic that bought Wii with something that started with PSeye. Yes, Kinect is more advance version, way more advance, but to say that 'camera based' gaming hasn't been done before is sort of stupid.
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The issue is that Kinect, in mind, is trying to get the demographic that bought Wii with something that started with PSeye. Yes, Kinect is more advance version, way more advance, but to say that 'camera based' gaming hasn't been done before is sort of stupid.
I'm not saying it hasn't been done before, but I will say it hasn't been pushed like this before. It looks like Kinect is going to encourage more innovation and attract more attention from both consumers and developers than Eye-Toy ever did. Just like how Wii attracted much more interest than Samba maracas or Fishing Rod controllers.
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But a couple of post above:
"cries foul when Microsoft tries something new with Kinect."
New...
Alright. So now its OK to take someones idea, put 1 billion dollars in marketing and say 'THIS IS CHANGING THE INDUSTRY'
Sorry, when I see an AAA line up like we are having on 'regular consoles' on the Kinect, I will change my mind. As of right now, its not worth getting worked over.
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Similar tech has existed, but Sony never pushed it like MS has, so I consider this Microsoft trying to push something 'new' for the industry. The eye-toy didn't have this same push and dedication, which is why I consider it a new thing.
Regardless, I'm not arguing WHO is the innovator, just that people seem to jump on it and regard it as inherintly rubbish.
As for having AAA titles on a platform that is about a month old... well you gotta give it some time. Like I said, I don't think it's going to take over regular consoles anytime soon, but I do think there will be some really good games and some even better ideas and concepts to take away from it.