Sonic Generations Discussion

[crackdude]

Outside of the Shadow, Maria and Gerald Robotnik stuff,

the heck else was there?

The hell were you expecting? Shakespeare?

It was a carefree serious plot. Interesting but not complicated. Entertaining.

[crackdude]

Sonic 4 has a giant robot thing.

I thought it was fun.

[CosmicCastaway]

Outside of the Shadow, Maria and Gerald Robotnik stuff,

the heck else was there?

The hell were you expecting? Shakespeare?

It was a carefree serious plot. Interesting but not complicated. Entertaining.

I agree. I personally have loved all the story lines in Sonic titles.

[Barry the Nomad]

Only niggle I had about SA2's storyline was that they handled Shadow's death quite well, and then ruined the whole thing with Heroes. They didn't even give an answer as to what was up with him in Heroes, you had to wait until Shadow's own game and the answer was given by Eggman during a boss battle

[crackdude]

I choose to completely ignore ShtH and Heroes storylines when talking about SA2. They simply don't fit nicely.

[Barry the Nomad]

Agreed. In my mind, shadow burned to a crisp on his reentry into earth's atmosphere. He just shows up in the spin-off titles because they're non-canon

[Sharky]

I'm just going to dump this here.



IMO,
-Nuckles looks better Modern
-Tails looks better Classic
-Amy had better clothes in the classic but I like that her head isn't just a Sonic palette swap with a tuft now.
-Robotnik looks good both ways, I think I prefer the orginal though.
-All three Chaotix look far, far better modern.

[Radrappy]

-Nuckles looks better Modern

Ok I'm going to have to strongly disagree with this.  What was so appealing about the classic designs of the three main characters (tails, knuckles, sonic) was the specific shape language.  That is to say,

sonic - circle
tails - square
Knuckles - triangle

http://classiccartoonreviews.blogspot.c ... heets.html

They were reflective of their personalities to a point and looked beautifully recognizable in any silhouette.  

The modern knuckles design we have now has done away with that triangle motif entirely.  His snout has been shortened, his body elongated, his skull rounded to the point where he hardly retains any of what made him so radically different from sonic in the first place.  They also have decided to bluntly blow up the size of his fists.  The Sonic Adventure design isn't quite as bad, but what we have now is completely trash.

[CrazyT]

That is an intesting analyzation there

[Radrappy]

well, just look at your sig.  It's all there.  Everything that makes those designs work so well together.

[CrazyT]

Yeah I agree with you. I love all the older designs as well including knuckles. As for the rest I think I can agree with Sharky. Knuckles never really got a good looking classic 3d model so judging by those pics I can see where he's sorta coming from.

It would be really nice to see both tails and knuckles back in classic form. Man as soon I see the more brownish(instead of yellow) black eyed tails, I think that'd possibly kill me.. hopefully not of course.

[Sharky]

-Nuckles looks better Modern

Ok I'm going to have to strongly disagree with this.  What was so appealing about the classic designs of the three main characters (tails, knuckles, sonic) was the specific shape language.  That is to say,

sonic - circle
tails - square
Knuckles - triangle

http://classiccartoonreviews.blogspot.c ... heets.html

They were reflective of their personalities to a point and looked beautifully recognizable in any silhouette.  

The modern knuckles design we have now has done away with that triangle motif entirely.  His snout has been shortened, his body elongated, his skull rounded to the point where he hardly retains any of what made him so radically different from sonic in the first place.  They also have decided to bluntly blow up the size of his fists.  The Sonic Adventure design isn't quite as bad, but what we have now is completely trash.

And yet, he still looks better now. =3

[Radrappy]

[SOUP]

It's nice that Amy doesn't just look like Sonic in drag now.

[Chaosmaster8753]

Sonic Adventure introduced a lot of the problems with modern Sonic

Some of them weren't that bad back then since it was the first of its kind.

characters

Except this trend started with Sonic 2.

deep plots

(partially joking)

But we loved it... If we hadn't and we made a big stink like people did with Sonic 06 or Sonic 4 then they'd have quickly realized their mistake and changed it back ASAP.

That's because:
1. It was the first full 3D Sonic game
2. The gameplay was considered mostly good for the standards of the time it was released
3. people weren't traumatized by what came afterwards.

But it was the Sonic fans that continued to (and still continue to) push for Sonic Adventure 3 with all of its terrible faults.

I don't think people wanting Sonic Adventure 3 want it to have the same camera and control problems of the originals.

But this is why we have had these things for so many years, there are tons of Sonic fans that genuinely enjoy the things that others hate.

Unfortunately, we can't do anything about that. And there's nothing really wrong with that, except when they act crazy about it.

When it comes to wanting a Sonic Adventure 3, just because something didn't really work that well the first time doesn't mean it can't work at all.