the disease of re release

[semmie]

Because semmie for the upteenth time, Sega LOST more money then they were bringing in. BAYONETTA happened nearly three years ago now. Their consumer division hasn't been as succesful as a whole since then. The last one they lost too much that they can no longer  sustain the operation as its currently/was in. How can you be greedy when you got no frigging money? Remember when that happened when they were losing money more than they were bringing in and they changed their entire buisnes model? Yes it was called the end of the DreamCast. Now were possibly seeing the end of Sega as a package format company. But rereleases has nothing to do with them being succesful or failing as a company, the DC didn't have that many rereleases, and the rereleases now as was pointed out to you are games spread over two generations of game systems. Now they are going digital and mobile phones. If you'd been around since 2001 then you'd se all that but dont over exaggerate about the rereleases when it is a minor thing and still is.

RoJM my fellow sega main man.
it depends on what you describe as a negative. i think its negative to keep talking about the losses. as all those gamemakers nowadays make huge losses. and sega now as big gamemakers organisation ofcourse losses money as well.
but there is no denial that it makes more mobney then losses. otherwise the base can not be sustained.

sega makes mixed up mistakes. and there is no doubt about it.
so let us talk about the main diseases in the company

1. there are many leechers in the sega company. in a normal enterprise the pyramid has only one leader.
we all know the free masonic pyramid.(so visualise) sega has a great issue that her company has more leaders then antworkers. because of this there is contradiction in opinions in the midst.( we all know there is only one god. the trinity is a lie cause god does not need jesus as a god or as a son) this is also in the companys they all have their own intentional agenda. and unfortunately the big chiefs cant really be fired unless the greatest does so.
as a result of wrong management the workers get fired so that the leeching progress can be compensated.

2. sega is too carfull. i mean litteraly in combination with the leeching process of the big chiefs up high there is the other disease of being t00000000 carefull. they are s affraid of making games that most of the time they spectate so long that the game runs away to another company.
take fighting force for example. that game was originally streets of rage 3d.( i have the prototype on the saturn) this game was so long on the shelves that the mofos decided to give the game to psx. and even tho the game may have changed the name into fighting force it sold damn well.(keep fighting force 2 aside pls thats another discussion)
so sega is from now very carefull of even being inovative and suffers the disease to copycat sometimes. not always . but it happens more then before.

3. which refers to number 1. as a result of the intense leeching of the judas amidst the great company sega. the cancer amongst the truthful ones. the re releases found their base on every console handheld and phones. it was soon known that those re releases are a great profitable merch.which is not wrong at all. but the great threath in this that sega does this to much. you wont see super mario bros 1 on any psn or xboxlive etc. and sega allready blurred the original games into some kind of standard that is not that appreciated anymore. ofcourse this also refers to number 2 of being to carefull.

4. and at last lets get to a positive but unfortunately a sad and negative end in my debate or reply to you my fellow sega member.
sega does make good games
sega is inovative
i love sega.
in the past and now

but the cruel treatment to the most forgiving fan base in the whole world we are being neglected. the fan base is more then 7 million. sega knows well that she could make new games and console for us. yet it doesnt. dc sold more then 7 million units. and it could grow larger by day with the new generation coming soon. yet it sells of bayonetta. we could easily wait one more year for that game t come. people waited for devil may cry 4 for so long. great games great past great sales anyway.
we also see that with re releases as much as i hate this disease. sega knew why she did it. cause the games were great. focus on WERE.

the future can be bright. after saying all this i stay optimistic. i hope sega does it again.
from casino slots rosen enterprises to a real commercial sms console.
they got guts back then.  bring it back

[ROJM]

it depends on what you describe as a negative. i think its negative to keep talking about the losses. as all those gamemakers nowadays make huge losses. and sega now as big gamemakers organisation ofcourse losses money as well.

They're making more losses than gains. Ever taught the basis of economics?

but there is no denial that it makes more mobney then losses. otherwise the base can not be sustained.

Not according to any financial reports. Sega lost on R and D development, Operating income and profits were down which ADDED to the economic situation in Japan and the west hit this company pretty badly.

2. sega is too carfull. i mean litteraly in combination with the leeching process of the big chiefs up high there is the other disease of being t00000000 carefull. they are s affraid of making games that most of the time they spectate so long that the game runs away to another company.
take fighting force for example. that game was originally streets of rage 3d.( i have the prototype on the saturn) this game was so long on the shelves that the mofos decided to give the game to psx. and even tho the game may have changed the name into fighting force it sold damn well.(keep fighting force 2 aside pls thats another discussion)
so sega is from now very carefull of even being inovative and suffers the disease to copycat sometimes. not always . but it happens more then before.

Your obviously new to Sega. FF is old news amongst many here and if that was sold as a RAGE game it would have been the end of the franchise there and then. You're using the PSX as an example of a Sega mistake? Puhlease half the people that owned that system didn't have a clue about buying games let alone good ones with the examples of many Sega type rip offs that dominated the system during its early years and selling like hot cakes. Its like saying sega should have hired the people that did demolition derby for PSX and slapped Daytona carnage because it sold well. The Sega gamer back then  and the PSX gamer back then were too different types of gamers,Sega gamers would n't have tolerated that type of pap from sega if they did that and PSX owners wouldn't have the skills to play those type of games hench the reason that they got sega lite games like Toshinden, which was quite big at the time. Funny how those pretenders aren't around any more eh. And you are seriously using Fighting Force as an example,trying to teach us something most of us know and expect me to take you seriously as a Sega fan? ;D

3. which refers to number 1. as a result of the intense leeching of the judas amidst the great company sega. the cancer amongst the truthful ones. the re releases found their base on every console handheld and phones. it was soon known that those re releases are a great profitable merch.which is not wrong at all. but the great threath in this that sega does this to much. you wont see super mario bros 1 on any psn or xboxlive etc. and sega allready blurred the original games into some kind of standard that is not that appreciated anymore. ofcourse this also refers to number 2 of being to carefull.

And you know this because you've taken  a poll?

 

but the cruel treatment to the most forgiving fan base in the whole world we are being neglected. the fan base is more then 7 million. sega knows well that she could make new games and console for us. yet it doesnt. dc sold more then 7 million units. and it could grow larger by day with the new generation coming soon. yet it sells of bayonetta. we could easily wait one more year for that game t come. people waited for devil may cry 4 for so long. great games great past great sales anyway.
we also see that with re releases as much as i hate this disease. sega knew why she did it. cause the games were great. focus on WERE.

Again your maths are wrong. The Sega base isn't 7 million, and even if it were you need a whole lot more than that number to launch and sustain a game system. Again its obvious you have no iota about the games industry let alone Sega. Do you even know how much it even costs to design and create a game system in today's enviroment/ it was a LOT of millions back in the nineties, nowadays its a whole lot more than that. Why do you think Nintendo, one of the richest companies have effectivly given the market a new system that is technically part of this year's crop of systems. Because it willl be expensive for them to keep up with the Microsoft and Sony truly next gen systems. The Wii was a gamecube 2.0, its selling point was the controls, which alone cost a few mil to develop, test and get it right but why do you think they based it on the gamecube's technical abilities? because nintendo lost an investment with that system, it didn't make enough to pay for its investment and so effectivly took a gamble to use that hardware for a new system which not only paied off but effectivly paid off the investment on the Gamecube tech in the first place. And you think bringing a sega system in that enviroment is going to save Sega? Sega can't afford to take that risk. They have no money to do it and even if they did they would automatically lose by being outspent by there three competitors on marketing and other such things. Most of all theres no guarantee they would get a third party to back them(remeber that, kinda important thing for consoles ;)Sega can't afford to finance BAYONETTA 2 which is effectivly a second party Sega game. So how in hell do you think they have the money to spend on creating a new games console?

the future can be bright. after saying all this i stay optimistic. i hope sega does it again.
from casino slots rosen enterprises to a real commercial sms console.
they got guts back then.  bring it back

And i think you need to get a reality check. Actually read the reports and study about Sega's fnancial situation, the game industury to formulate and m,ake a coherent argument. Stop generalising on a subject you have little knowledge of and stick to the topic since this has NOTHING to do with re releases.

[semmie]

They're making more losses than gains. Ever taught the basis of economics?

Not according to any financial reports. Sega lost on R and D development, Operating income and profits were down which ADDED to the economic situation in Japan and the west hit this company pretty badly.



Your obviously new to Sega. FF is old news amongst many here and if that was sold as a RAGE game it would have been the end of the franchise there and then. You're using the PSX as an example of a Sega mistake? Puhlease half the people that owned that system didn't have a clue about buying games let alone good ones with the examples of many Sega type rip offs that dominated the system during its early years and selling like hot cakes. Its like saying sega should have hired the people that did demolition derby for PSX and slapped Daytona carnage because it sold well. The Sega gamer back then  and the PSX gamer back then were too different types of gamers,Sega gamers would n't have tolerated that type of pap from sega if they did that and PSX owners wouldn't have the skills to play those type of games hench the reason that they got sega lite games like Toshinden, which was quite big at the time. Funny how those pretenders aren't around any more eh. And you are seriously using Fighting Force as an example,trying to teach us something most of us know and expect me to take you seriously as a Sega fan? ;D
And you know this because you've taken  a poll?

 
Again your maths are wrong. The Sega base isn't 7 million, and even if it were you need a whole lot more than that number to launch and sustain a game system. Again its obvious you have no iota about the games industry let alone Sega. Do you even know how much it even costs to design and create a game system in today's enviroment/ it was a LOT of millions back in the nineties, nowadays its a whole lot more than that. Why do you think Nintendo, one of the richest companies have effectivly given the market a new system that is technically part of this year's crop of systems. Because it willl be expensive for them to keep up with the Microsoft and Sony truly next gen systems. The Wii was a gamecube 2.0, its selling point was the controls, which alone cost a few mil to develop, test and get it right but why do you think they based it on the gamecube's technical abilities? because nintendo lost an investment with that system, it didn't make enough to pay for its investment and so effectivly took a gamble to use that hardware for a new system which not only paied off but effectivly paid off the investment on the Gamecube tech in the first place. And you think bringing a sega system in that enviroment is going to save Sega? Sega can't afford to take that risk. They have no money to do it and even if they did they would automatically lose by being outspent by there three competitors on marketing and other such things. Most of all theres no guarantee they would get a third party to back them(remeber that, kinda important thing for consoles ;)Sega can't afford to finance BAYONETTA 2 which is effectivly a second party Sega game. So how in hell do you think they have the money to spend on creating a new games console?

And i think you need to get a reality check. Actually read the reports and study about Sega's fnancial situation, the game industury to formulate and m,ake a coherent argument. Stop generalising on a subject you have little knowledge of and stick to the topic since this has NOTHING to do with re releases.

im not new to sega obviously. and many of ur debate points were based on opinion while others on facts. but your facts and mines are merely but statistics in the ups and downs of sega.
will answer u more later im at work

just find out a bit sad u telling me im not to be taken seriously. i wrote the possibility of a new sega console.
im really down with sega.
ur problem is that u defend it regardless. and so do i.
but where u and i differ is that i at least acknowledge truth. if u followed sega from at least master system u,d notice that sega had good and bad times. and in the present we have much bs going on. yet you talk about statistics.

more over the ff example is one out of many.and i knew that. but it was just to make a point.
psx did what genesis did. i hate sony to death. but the odds is that nowadays sega games are actually on ps3. binairy domain. and this is the hard truth ROJM

btw i appreciate your reply thx

[ROJM]

im not new to sega obviously. and many of ur debate points were based on opinion while others on facts. but your facts and mines are merely but statistics in the ups and downs of sega.
will answer u more later im at work

just find out a bit sad u telling me im not to be taken seriously. i wrote the possibility of a new sega console.
im really down with sega.
ur problem is that u defend it regardless. and so do i.
but where u and i differ is that i at least acknowledge truth. if u followed sega from at least master system u,d notice that sega had good and bad times. and in the present we have much bs going on. yet you talk about statistics.

more over the ff example is one out of many.and i knew that. but it was just to make a point.
psx did what genesis did. i hate sony to death. but the odds is that nowadays sega games are actually on ps3. binairy domain. and this is the hard truth ROJM

btw i appreciate your reply thx

You mean you're still at school and cant get to a computer? Joking aside, i'm not stating opinion, its a cold fact. You haven't acknowledge any truth put to you, your arguments aren't thought out, your knowledge is very limited when it comes to the games industry and how it works financially, spouting i had a master system doesn't cut it around here, I had an SG 1000. My fish is bigger than yours and all that maloney, its bull. If you are as sega as they come you'd be more like me and stick to the arcades which i've been doing for a while now. I dont care as much for the consumer side of things but i wouldn't wan t it to die as its been an important part of sega since the megadrive really and their troubles are tied to that division.The reality is that Sega has no money. I'm not saying that, Sega are saying that. Now you can stick your head in the ground and wish for a new console but it wont happen so go to the arcades.But of course the arcades aren't as popular as they use to be which i understand.

[Centrale]

If you are as sega pompous as they come you'd be more like me and stick to the arcades which i've been doing for a while now.

Fixed that for ya buddy.

[ROJM]

Im a F**d up buddy.

So did I.

[semmie]

You mean you're still at school and cant get to a computer? Joking aside, i'm not stating opinion, its a cold fact. You haven't acknowledge any truth put to you, your arguments aren't thought out, your knowledge is very limited when it comes to the games industry and how it works financially, spouting i had a master system doesn't cut it around here, I had an SG 1000. My fish is bigger than yours and all that maloney, its bull. If you are as sega as they come you'd be more like me and stick to the arcades which i've been doing for a while now. I dont care as much for the consumer side of things but i wouldn't wan t it to die as its been an important part of sega since the megadrive really and their troubles are tied to that division.The reality is that Sega has no money. I'm not saying that, Sega are saying that. Now you can stick your head in the ground and wish for a new console but it wont happen so go to the arcades.But of course the arcades aren't as popular as they use to be which i understand.

dude when u were in high school i was destroying guys at kickboxing. i never had a sg1000 but i did have commodore 64. being a sega fan isnt about where you start. but what is in the heart. all i said so far was a fact mixed up with feelings and emotions. moreover i didnt even have sg1000 or ms1 i started with sms2 with alex kidd included. if u want to be the hilbilly sayin ye got mor consoles ok ill give you that.

emotions aside.
your not really helpfull. what a strange kind of talking

me:
im being negative.
-i come with plans and solutions to the future
yt at the same time even tho im negative i stay optimistic and refuse that sega is put on check.

you:
mister knows it all and the rest doesnt
sega has no money
sega is done

and when i look at me and u. then the real enemy is your inner me
ROJM im being cool with you seriously. reconsider your look

we know the statistics:  it wont help us
we know the pas: it is done allready
we know the present: ? has no money or has money?
but the important thing is dont close possibilitys. cause sega can be all that.

in some ways you allready gave me right while trying hard to prove me wrong.
yeah answer that

[ROJM]

dude when u were in high school i was destroying guys at kickboxing. i never had a sg1000 but i did have commodore 64. being a sega fan isnt about where you start. but what is in the heart. all i said so far was a fact mixed up with feelings and emotions. moreover i didnt even have sg1000 or ms1 i started with sms2 with alex kidd included. if u want to be the hilbilly sayin ye got mor consoles ok ill give you that.

emotions aside.
your not really helpfull. what a strange kind of talking

me:
im being negative.
-i come with plans and solutions to the future
yt at the same time even tho im negative i stay optimistic and refuse that sega is put on check.

you:
mister knows it all and the rest doesnt
sega has no money
sega is done

and when i look at me and u. then the real enemy is your inner me
ROJM im being cool with you seriously. reconsider your look

we know the statistics:  it wont help us
we know the pas: it is done allready
we know the present: ? has no money or has money?
but the important thing is dont close possibilitys. cause sega can be all that.

in some ways you allready gave me right while trying hard to prove me wrong.
yeah answer that

In highschool playing kickboxing huh? Diffulcult when you obviously weren't born yet when that game came out. If you're going to insult me, use an original put down not something inspired by me ok, kid?
Now all you've just given so far is hear say and no real points and nothing no evidence to back it up. That's what's becoming frustrating and irritating because you dont even address the points raised to you. its also hard to even comprehend what you are trying to say so you are either still in school of some sort.
The topic needs to be locked anyway because you were originally talking about rereleases and now you are talking about sega needing a new console because "dey gat de money and got da 7 mil zeegaaa fans to buy dem" . I need not remind you that there is another topic about Sega bringing a new console which you started. So there is really no point having two topics talking about the same thing is there? ::)Pointless and wasting my time.

[semmie]

In highschool playing kickboxing huh? Diffulcult when you obviously weren't born yet when that game came out. If you're going to insult me, use an original put down not something inspired by me ok, kid?
Now all you've just given so far is hear say and no real points and nothing no evidence to back it up. That's what's becoming frustrating and irritating because you dont even address the points raised to you. its also hard to even comprehend what you are trying to say so you are either still in school of some sort.
The topic needs to be locked anyway because you were originally talking about rereleases and now you are talking about sega needing a new console because "dey gat de money and got da 7 mil zeegaaa fans to buy dem" . I need not remind you that there is another topic about Sega bringing a new console which you started. So there is really no point having two topics talking about the same thing is there? ::)Pointless and wasting my time.

why a brotherhood falls down. cause there are deviations among the group.

it was never my intention to insult you. perhaps you should read again where it all started.
you talked with your venomous fang alike attitude. i kept talking to prove my point. and sometimes to be ontopic you have to get offtopic to explain and after ud get back on it. you do the same all the time.
you dont hear me complaining. i kinda try to be interested in your topics. and i actually read them. but  i dont like your undertone. and certainly i am not the only one that thinks so.

then again there is just so much i can take. i even said i appreciate your talks. but untill it crosses my border. i dunno but you seem the narcistic type who likes to hear himself talking. i might be wrong. but you really give me that impression.
spending all day to know the exact statistics is not really my part of life

speaking of insulting i have to refer to you. read your own comments. read them and make the windows of your pc wide open. i love to respect ROJM but this is only to those that respect me as well.

[crackdude]

Cmon guys, just get along already. This has nothing to do with rereleases. Which I'm loving by the way

[MadeManG74]

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[CrazyT]

Wiser words have never been spoken

[semmie]

Cmon guys, just get along already. This has nothing to do with rereleases. Which I'm loving by the way

i got nothing against him. but he shouldnt dictate his opinion based on his own researches to us. we are supposed to be sega.
he has some to say. so do i so do u
thats how it is

[ROJM]

i got nothing against him. but he shouldnt dictate his opinion based on his own researches to us. we are supposed to be sega.
he has some to say. so do i so do u
thats how it is

Yours however is nothing but hogwash. You haven't an iota on what you are talking about and that's the problem and thats why i'm not wasting time on youm with any indepth disscussion. Its not my research these are well estabilshed facts which i may add there are many who knows just as many things about sega or games and we dont all agree. The difference between you and them is they know what they are talking about. Playing games is all well and fine kid but dont expect to be an expert just because you happen to play some games, life doesn't work like that. Comprende?

And is this an opinion or fact?
Can you make an coherent sentence or even spell?

Is this an opinion or fact?
That this topic is exactly the same as another one you have currently posted?

Is this an opinion? what's the point of having two topics from the same poster pratically talking about the same thing?

[Barry the Nomad]

Use of the "n" word and posting a picture of a dick in mid blow?

semmie, I don't doubt that ROJM was pushing your buttons, but your last post was grounds for a permanent ban. However, for the time being I'm placing you on a temporary ban (7 days), and will discuss with George and Sharky if we should keep it at that and allow you to return, or if the ban will be permanent.

If ROJM was angering you, best to PM a mod or admin rather than put your own forum membership at risk.