What is your opinion on the election and voting results?

[Happy Cat]

I'm quite happy by the outcome myself. Like I've said in that other thread, i really don't care about politics, not at all, it's just a bunch of mud slinging. What got my attention in all of this was the conservatives/republicans trying to take away human rights for people they didn't agree with, or for people who didn't believe in god. Which is ridiculous, what happened to separation of church and state?

Republicans got owned and they deserved it. Trying to take away things that should be a basic right, such as abortion, and gay marriage. Things like that just because they don't think it fits into the vision of god.

Some states have even legalized weed, now. Four states made strides towards making gay marriage something that shouldn't be discriminated against.

In my state, Minnesota, two ridiculous amendments that republicans were trying to get into the states constitution didn't get voted in, thank god. One of those amendments was to ban gay marriage, and another one that would require an ID to vote.

Both of those amendments got voted out, and to boot, Democrats have taken back the legislative house in Minnesota, which means gay marriage is probably going to be one of the first laws to be passed, right now there is a law against it, which was made by republicans in the legislative house.

and of course Obama, people may have mixed opinions on him, i do too, but you can tell from his speech last night that he really cares about the country.

I'm just really happy how everything went. Last night was a big step forward for the united states.

I'll end this post with an image i found on neogaf


http://i.imgur.com/quJIk.jpg

[max_cady]

I have to say that I am dissapointed in the outcome of the election, but it's not something that I will lose sleep over. However, I can't turn a blind eye to the mudslinging issue, because that was pretty much Barack Obama's entire campaign strategy.

And trust me, as much as there as mixed opinions, nothing's changed, the emperor has no clothes and I'm annoyed at people who still pretend that he does and stare at awe with his empty rhetoric.

If I may go off-topic for a second, in the eyes of Democrats and their supporters I ask this: Is killing an unborn child considered a basic human right?

This is probably material for a whole other topic.*

*ps To be clear, Shadi, if it's sounds like I am upset at you, I'm not. My major beef is with the general population at NeoGAF's off-topic section. They just strike me as being horrible human beings.

[Happy Cat]

I have to say that I am dissapointed in the outcome of the election, but it's not something that I will lose sleep over. However, I can't turn a blind eye to the mudslinging issue, because that was pretty much Barack Obama's entire campaign strategy.

And trust me, as much as there as mixed opinions, nothing's changed, the emperor has no clothes and I'm annoyed at people who still pretend that he does and stare at awe with his empty rhetoric.

If I may go off-topic for a second, in the eyes of Democrats and their supporters I ask this: Is killing an unborn child considered a basic human right?

This is probably material for a whole other topic.*

*ps To be clear, Shadi, if it's sounds like I am upset at you, I'm not. My major beef is with the general population at NeoGAF's off-topic section. They just strike me as being horrible human beings.

No worries, I respect your opinion. I'm not mad at you either. Or anyone else for that matter.

I can see how abortion could be considered killing someone.. but at the same time to not allow it is taking away rights of women and making her life harder because of how it's seen by a religion, which shouldn't affect people who don't necessary believe in said religion. I know it's a really controversial issue, but I guess that is how I see it.

I don't think banning abortion is something the government should be able to do.

[crackdude]

I don't really understand why people mix up religion with this issue.


If the law itself doesn't state what's moral and what isn't, then what does?
Murder is immoral, that's why it is against the law. By the same stretch, many people think it's not ethical to effectively kill and unborn child and want laws against it. It may have nothing to do with religion.


Society overall today thinks that if something is forbidden, there are rights being violated. Not true at all.
Law regulates people's rights. Or at least it should. People vote on the party they feel is closer to their own ideals.


On the matter of religion itslef, people against it are dumb. Here's why:
Religion is nothing more than a bunch of ideals and morality standards. People follow them, because they feel better living under a certain moral code.
The problem ISN'T religion. It's people forcing their morals on others. If someone doesn't like religion, it shouldn't force that dislike on others, same way religious people shouldn't force their beliefs.


On the matter of the election, it really doesn't concern me..
I'm not a political person. I prefer the one who makes gasoline cheaper in Portugal.


(btw, not attacking anyone or anything with post.. I just feel that as a religious person, some people often disregard me as "another sheep". Everyone chooses what to believe in. And nobody should be frowned upon for it)

[Happy Cat]

Just wanted to say sorry if i offended anyone. I kinda feel bad for making this topic now =X was just excited.

[Nameless 24]

The ban on abortion is a touchy subject....we had something like that over here in the UK recently (the law of how long due you are before abortion is illegal...and the PM backed down to reduce it, which is appalling).

From a foreigners POV, Obama seems to be the better of the two despite his shortcomings....

All he has to do now is ban firearms in the states, since there will be more mass killings in schools in the future unless it's restricted or considered illegal.

[max_cady]

@Will

Don't make apologizes, because you did not offend anyone. It's just that many people stray to one side of an argument so much that often times they are not exposed to certain data or information.

It's not the other side of the story, it's the full story.

This speaks volumes to one of the fundamental American rights that are in the Constitution (which can be seen as entitlments),"Life, Liberty and pursuit of happiness"), abortion can be seen as a violation of that right.


Of course, there are things that might not always fit, malformation of the fetus or other unfortunate medical conditions. Then there's the problem of rape or incest, but often times, it's carefree individuals who engage in intercourse (this problem is even bigger in the UK).

We tend to narrow the problem to simply removing the unborn from the equation, but that ties into a much lager issue that nobody wants to tackle or speak of.

[crackdude]

@Will


Don't feel bad, I bet no one got offended.. We all like to share opinions. Some match, others don't.. But it's ok

[Barry the Nomad]

I am very glad that Obama won.

On the subject of abortion, I think that while it IS a hot issue it is NOT the defining issue for me nor was it the most important issue of the campaign.

Really, the big things that pissed me off in regards to Romney were that he talked of all these plans but never gave specifics. Why? Because he knew if we heard them, we'd be unhappy. His overarching strategy was to push responsibilities off of the government and onto the private sector. Who would deal with natural disasters like Hurricane Sandy? Who would promote job growth? Romney's plan was to push it off onto others. Problem is, this was what Bush did and it is what got us into this mess. And Bush's mess is so big that of course Obama cannot fix it all in one term. But America HAS made improvements, which is proof that Obama's methods are working. So I am happy to see Barry Obama in a second term.

And I'm also glad that this election is OVER.

[max_cady]

If Barack Obama's methods are working so well then why is the US headed into another recession?

[Barry the Nomad]

Hey man, didn't say everything was perfect. It's gonna be rough, no doubt. But Obama is my man, no fucking way would I put my trust in Romney. Btw, are you American? Just curious. If not, I wonder if a LOT of Obamas domestic policy that doesn't affect you but affects me has any affect on your leanings. Really, I don't know how to debate with somebody on the President when were living in two different worlds. I voted Obama because I largely agree with his decisions and how they'll affect me as an American. Sorry.

Edit: reread my post, sorry if I came off assey or snobbish. Just think we're probably coming at this from two very different viewpoints. Anyway.... Sonic....

[max_cady]

I'm from Portugal, dude. And you might be shocked to learn that portuguese media outlets paint Barack Obama as a Christ-like figure. The question that you should be asking me is: why do I have such a different opinion? The fact that we are literally an ocean apart doesn't necessarily mean that we can't have any sort of empathy.

The issue of how much goverment and how much free market a country should have is something of a universal thing. Even moreso because... I love the United States of America.

The only answer I can give you is that my dislike for Obama (or rather his policies), is based on experience. Because in Portugal, from 2003 to 2009, we had a PM who had, suffice pretty much the exact same policies and methods, it didn't work out, in some cases, it produced the opposite results.

[Barry the Nomad]

Hm, funny how the media is painting him over there. Over here it's either that he is an evil foreign socialist (FOX news, Donald Trump's hairpiece) or a cool guy (MSNBC) or an average prsident who is doing the best he can with a Republican controlled House. but nothing painting him out to be the next Jesus.

I guess we're going to just have to agree to disagree on the subject of how much goverment and how much free market a country should have. I mean, I'm a democrat, so right there to agree with people like Romney and Bush goes against some of my core beliefs.

[crackdude]

Because in Portugal, from 2003 to 2009, we had a PM who had, suffice pretty much the exact same policies and methods, it didn't work out, in some cases, it produced the opposite results.

Eh... Socrates ended up being a pain in the ass, that is true.


But I don't think he's comparable to Obama. Portugal is very different from the USA as well.
While here if power goes to the left we'll be spending money we don't have on things we don't need again, in the US if power goes to the right they'll be back at investing in meaningless arab wars and stuff.


So yeah, I really hope that gas prices go down with Obama