Now that Sega is splashing the cash around...

[MadeManG74]

I used to be positive about this, but I have to concede that Shenmue is probably dead now. Are we even ever going to see Shenners 1 and 2 re-released?

Our best bet would be for Yu Suzuki to get the rights back and chuck it on Kickstarter so all the bat-shit crazy fanboys (like me) would donate big bucks to make a sequel.

[Nameless 24]

They should pour money into their development teams.

Get a few college students in and give them the freedom to create something.

The long term goal would be to create a line up that spreads out the year nicely, instead of what we're getting now where the game releases are scattered and possibly delayed.

I think buying ATLUS is still a great idea, but they don't seem to pour the money into what they already own, and it's sort of disheartening.

[ROJM]

Well Sammy didn't get any sort of control of SEGA until it bought CSK 22.4 stake in SEGA in December of 2003 . So Shenmue Online did have a number of months being worked on before Sammy came in, but the main work didn't really start until 2004 granted . And sometimes when you've just came in and bought out a group you try not to make many drastic changes early in , much like I doubt SEGA will change much at Atlus , but may in the future

And you sure dont pour in 25 million extra into the project either so i much doubt that Sammy was trying to applease people. Especially after warning the rebels in sega that heads would roll if they complained or made a fuss. And guess what some heads did roll between 2004/05.

SEGA is 3rd party now and will only spend money, if it thinks it can make it back . Its not that SEGA can't afford to make a Shenmue 3 , it's more is it a worthwhile investment and will the project make a profit and that's a much harder question to answer because everything points to a big no (other than fan talk on the web)

Changed your tune eh? After the numerous complaints about why sega wont back this game and that game when i've been telling you for years that they're playing it safe because of that reason. Originality isn't your thing. But now they have enough money to back a SHENMUE game as well as more risque projects that they didn't want to back before. And why not?

Well but this is all the more troubling when Shenmue best market was America in terms of sales. And lets be fair SEGA Japan has had the odd flop now again and didn't really do much with the Platnium games in Games or Binary Domain it's self

That was due to a large cutback but they didn't help themselves either when it came to BD. I cant fault Sega Japan because they marketed that title but the market where it should have sold strongly was never marketed by the sega west teams.

That for many fans would start the alarm bells ringing for starters . You know what die hard fans are like they will want the old Team to make it, that made the original games. I mean for many until the day Camerlot make a Shining Force game they're not interested and shouldn't be classed a Shining Force game. Looking at SEGA Japan it seems only AM#2 or the Yakuza Teams would be able to make Shenmue 3 and where the fans would feel happy and safe if any of those Teams would make it

Because SHINING FORCE doesn't follow the same type of genre the original games did. SHENMUE isn't going to change from a RPG into a bloody platform game now is it. So its hardly the same thing. SHENMUE fans wont care as long as Sega is making a new chapter.

Nobody would want to go near Shenmue this generation .SONY and MS  just aren't not interested and even SEGA it's self has no interest in the IP and would much rather focus on Yakuza. Shenmue 3 is a hard sell 

Sega has shown intrest in the ip or we wouldn't have seen it pop up in various forms. And Sega doesn't need to shop around as they can do the game themselves and that's what im advocating.

[Team Andromeda]

And you sure dont pour in 25 million extra into the project either so i much doubt that Sammy was trying to applease people

That depends and no doubt with the growth of MMO in Asia it seemed like a good invesment

After the numerous complaints about why sega wont back this game and that game when

No . I never really asked or expected SEGA to make Shenmue 3. I've been totally constant on that issue in terms of costs, man power, fanbase  and how so little of Shenmue 3 was actually done

Because SHINING FORCE doesn't follow the same type of genre the original games did

C'Mon until Camerlot make a Shining game fans won't be happy and you know it .

SHENMUE fans wont care as long as Sega is making a new chapter

They will care and they will want AM#2 and Yu Suzuki to make it and they will want it done to the standards of Shenmue (in other words piehot). Otherwise it be another NiGHTS 2 type letdown and the fans will hate SEGA for it .

Sega has shown intrest in the ip or we wouldn't have seen it pop up in various forms

Where ? Other than in Sonic racing I can't recall SEGA using Shenmue IP in any meaningful way

[Nathan]

I do agree that the only viable option to make a Shenmue III will come from a rerelease of some sort of the first two games.

[ROJM]

That depends and no doubt with the growth of MMO in Asia it seemed like a good invesment

MMO was in its infancy back then. Sammy was more intrested in getting the groundwork done for the arcades in China. But they still grenlit a lot of projects or should i say had the final write off to secure the funding.

No . I never really asked or expected SEGA to make Shenmue 3. I've been totally constant on that issue in terms of costs, man power, fanbase  and how so little of Shenmue 3 was actually done

Never said you did. But you aren't up to scratch when it comes to SHENMUE development either

C'Mon until Camerlot make a Shining game fans won't be happy and you know it .

Wrong because the people buying the SHINING force games now aren't the same audience that was into it when Camelot was making it. The series has now spread to arcades, digital/mobile as well as consoles. The people playing them are a completly different crowd to the ones that liked the original series. So don't act like the whole SHINING community wants Camelot back because the sad truth is that Sega ignored them and managed to get a new crowd in who doesn't even know about camelot history with the series or even cares.

They will care and they will want AM#2 and Yu Suzuki to make it and they will want it done to the standards of Shenmue (in other words piehot). Otherwise it be another NiGHTS 2 type letdown and the fans will hate SEGA for it .

They won't care. AM2 was going to do it without Suzuki when SHENMUE 3 was going to happen since he had his other studio to contend with. That rumour about Cerny being involved with Suzuki for something which many people jumped to the conclusion that it was SHENMUE didn't care who puts it out as long as it gets made.

Where ? Other than in Sonic racing I can't recall SEGA using Shenmue IP in any meaningful way

I mentioned Sega's several attempts at least reviving the franchise either be it online or mobile and just licensing it out. That is still intrest from the company regardless on what you say.

[Nathan]

I think there will be a healthy amount on both sides regarding whether the fans will buy Shenmue III if Yu is involved or not. Though even if every single Shenmue fan jumped on board and bought it, I don't think those sales would justify them making another if III didn't finish the job. They'd have to do something with the first two in order to get the third made, at this point.

Regarding interest in the IP, it is my opinion that the company has every intent to make the game, but don't want to take the possible risk and absorb what might turn out to be a colossal failure. Shenmue is huge, and on the off chance that sales are absolutely dismal, the series will never see the light of day ever again. However, if they could license out the IP and just take a check of the some of the profits without having to fork over much money, I believe they'd be very interested. What company wouldn't? If YS Net had the capabilities (some day) to make it themselves or team up with another development team, then I don't think SEGA would stop them. That being said, I don't think they want to contribute much, be it manpower or financial support, to a game that is considered to be so risky. Now with THAT said, I also think SEGA should realize that Shenmue's circumstances were very odd and unfair to the game and the team itself...the shelved Saturn version, then the US cancellation of the Dreamcast, development issues with Shenmue Online...really the only solid data we have to go on is the success that was Shenmue I, and the failure that was Shenmue Gai. Shenmue II and Shenmue Online are both multifaceted, complex, issues.

Just my two cents.

[Nameless 24]

They should get M2 on board to port 1 and 2 on the PSN/XBLA services, save that profit up (if they do make money on it), and use it to fund Shenmue 3.

[nuckles87]

SEGA probably could do a "Shenmue 1 and 2" for the sequel campaign or something XD. That's what Square is doing with Bravely Default. Issue with that is that if it isn't successful, people will be PISSSSED.

[Team Andromeda]

 

MMO was in its infancy back then

On the PC and corps like NCsoft we seeing huge growth and sales in Asia.

But you aren't up to scratch when it comes to SHENMUE development eithe

Very little of Shenmue 3 was actually developed (game wise)

AM2 was going to do it without Suzuki when SHENMUE 3 was going to happen since he had his other studio to contend with

Yu Suzuki was still going to be the producer of the game, but stepped down as director . These changes were confirmed when key Shenmue staff left AM#2 (staff like Keiji Okayasu) . The simple fact is unless Yu and AM#2 are making the title, many people will worry about the quality of the game and fear another NiGHTS type sequel

Sega's several attempts at least reviving the franchise either be it online or mobile and just licensing it out

That really don't count at all more so on a mobile or online (how many times have we seen the same with IP like Burning Rangers and what not)  . What we really need to see is SEGA making an effort to re-release Shenmue or starting to talk up any prospect of a Sequel

 

[ROJM]

On the PC and corps like NCsoft we seeing huge growth and sales in Asia.

Yes later on but Sega was intrested in just localising Korean games to sell to the Chinese which didn't cost them hardly a cent. So again they wouldn't have poured as much money into it when there was no need to.

Very little of Shenmue 3 was actually developed (game wise)

Actually all the assets was in place. But then you said at one point it was never developed and didn't exist at all in anyform. How times have changed, eh?

Yu Suzuki was still going to be the producer of the game, but stepped down as director . These changes were confirmed when key Shenmue staff left AM#2 (staff like Keiji Okayasu) . The simple fact is unless Yu and AM#2 are making the title, many people will worry about the quality of the game and fear another NiGHTS type sequel

Yawn, Suzuki was going to do SHENMUE without AM2(twice) and more if you count the other spin offs) and AM2 was going to do SHENMUE without Yu with 3 as well. So stop spinning. Suzuki was involved with two different teams during Sega's run as a third party when SHENMUE was activly being pursued by Sega so he was never going to be involved heavily with any future installments. 

That really don't count at all more so on a mobile or online (how many times have we seen the same with IP like Burning Rangers and what not)  . What we really need to see is SEGA making an effort to re-release Shenmue or starting to talk up any prospect of a Sequel

It does when the original people or person is involved. It counts when an IP that Sega is supposedly wont touch seems to let the creator not only have that IP but another more valable one in the form of VF as well. Meaning SHENMUE is still of an interest to Sega and that there isn't much animosity betwen Sega and Yu for them to give him both IPs. BURNING RANGERS is a distraction because that IP was just a puzzle game where SHENMUE CITY was a complete game still using the basis of the original but in a different direction. In fact its probably close to what SHENMUE ONLINE was going to be and what YAKUZA GREE is. So yes it does count.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Yes later on but

Even in 2003 one was seeing MMO really take off in Asia.

Actually all the assets was in place

Story, most of the planned  locations and script  Yes- but that was true when Shenmue was being made for the Saturn .

But then you said at one point it was never developed and didn't exist at all in anyform

The work done on Shenmue 3 was tiny, little of the game developed . Hardly any of the world, characters were moded in game form at all, unlike if we had listed to you . . 

Suzuki was going to do SHENMUE without AM2(twice) and more if you count the other spin offs

Online game was being done with out AM#2, . Shenmue 3 was meant to have  be done with AM#2 with Suzuki-san being in the producer role.

It counts when an IP that Sega is supposedly wont touch seems to let the creator not only have that IP but another more valable one in the form of VF as wel

So what next because SEGA allowed Q Entertainment to handle and make REZ HD that meant SEGA was looking to make REZ II  ? and pigs fly . SEGA doesn't want to go near Shenmue 3 in terms of producing and funding the title, everyone can clearly see that; Meaningless mobile games (not even made by SEGA) or the odd bit part cameo means nothing.

[ROJM]

Even in 2003 one was seeing MMO really take off in Asia.

No not really the market exploded around 2005 onwards.

Story, most of the planned  locations and script  Yes- but that was true when Shenmue was being made for the Saturn .

Not the same, the whole engine was in place all they had to do was make the game out of it which they were starting to do.

The work done on Shenmue 3 was tiny, little of the game developed . Hardly any of the world, characters were moded in game form at all, unlike if we had listed to you . . 

But according to you the game never existed. I'm saying the same thing as i saying now. So wrong again as usual. Just like ETERNAL ARCADIA 2 was never planned when there was evidence that it was being planned. You were wrong again on both counts. And as usual you then try to misquote people distract them and outright lie and drag the conversation over multiple pages thereby hoping people will believe your bull and F'ing up the original points of the topic in the first place.

Online game was being done with out AM#2, . Shenmue 3 was meant to have  be done with AM#2 with Suzuki-san being in the producer role.

Correction, SHENMUE 3 was going to be done without Suzuki being really involved because Suzuki would have been doing another game with another team.
 

So what next because SEGA allowed Q Entertainment to handle and make REZ HD that meant SEGA was looking to make REZ II  ? and pigs fly . SEGA doesn't want to go near Shenmue 3 in terms of producing and funding the title, everyone can clearly see that; Meaningless mobile games (not even made by SEGA) or the odd bit part cameo means nothing.

Dont be ridiculous. SHENMUE has had more opportunity's for a game that Sega has zero interest in. Your REZ point is another diversion because that was one title which did have a spiritual successor from its original creator. Keep dismissing the mobile part when a lot of people including the creator as well as the size of the game on a market that Sega practically focuses on means nothing.

[Team Andromeda]

No not really the market exploded around 2005 onwards

Yes but in 2003 there were serious signs of growth . That is one of the reason why the Shenmue Online project was started in 2003 and no doubt why Sammy also put huge amounts of funding in.

the whole engine was in place all they had to do was make the game out of it

No it don't work like that . Shenmue game engine was complete and running way before Shenmue made it out , but you still have to model the world, rooms and characters , never mind come up with gameplay (which is much more than just having a script) that's why Shenmue 2 took so long its self to come out . 

So wrong again as usual. Just like ETERNAL ARCADIA 2 was never planned when there was evidence

Please don't even go there . I told you that SOA II was never in production and wasn't being worked on, you made out otherwise even though the title never made it past the pre production stages . Listen to you Yu Suzuki wasn't in semi retirement  but working on 4 games and we were going to get a new Hang-on and a new Shinobi game . When the reality was those ideas were dropped long before they ever made into full production

Suzuki would have been doing another game with another team.

Suzuki-san was working on Shenmue Online and setting up his own team and so said he wouldn't have time to direct Shenmue 3, but would produce it .

Your REZ point is another diversion because that was one title which did have a spiritual successor from its original creator.

Are you for real . Eden was  Funded by Ubisoft and nothing at all to with SEGA at all, nothing . We're still waiting for SEGA to make REZ 2 and there's bob hope of it happening, even if it let Q? make REZ HD

SHENMUE has had more opportunity's for a game that Sega has zero interest in.

SEGA isn't interested in Shenmue, its an old IP than lost it money and cost it dear. There's far more IP that SEGA owns that's A) Sold better) and B) made SEGA money. 



 

[ROJM]

Yes but in 2003 there were serious signs of growth . That is one of the reason why the Shenmue Online project was started in 2003 and no doubt why Sammy also put huge amounts of funding in.

Not that serious like i said it exploded in 2005.Sega was using cheap localisations from that point.

No it don't work like that . Shenmue game engine was complete and running way before Shenmue made it out , but you still have to model the world, rooms and characters , never mind come up with gameplay (which is much more than just having a script) that's why Shenmue 2 took so long its self to come out .

 
I said engine i never said game so don't put words in my mouth. All the asets were in place and we all know they were because Yu was using assets from the previous games as well as locations that was meant to appear in future installments.

Please don't even go there . I told you that SOA II was never in production and wasn't being worked on, you made out otherwise even though the title never made it past the pre production stages . Listen to you Yu Suzuki wasn't in semi retirement  but working on 4 games and we were going to get a new Hang-on and a new Shinobi game . When the reality was those ideas were dropped long before they ever made into full production

No you said it didn't happen, while there were signs from everyone to one or to sega officials saying it was happening. Then you spun it as pre production nonsense when we both know that isn't how it would have worked. So dont bother with the spin mate. No one said the game was ever finished or even made but the game was in production.

Suzuki-san was working on Shenmue Online and setting up his own team and so said he wouldn't have time to direct Shenmue 3, but would produce it .

He had Cinematic Online way before SHENMUE ONLINE was going to happen and they were meant to do SHENMUE 3. Then they redid the teams again and it fell back to AM2's hands and they were going to do the title. The point is if the game had indeed happened it would have been either Yu or Am2 but sadly not both.

Are you for real . Eden was  Funded by Ubisoft and nothing at all to with SEGA at all, nothing . We're still waiting for SEGA to make REZ 2 and there's bob hope of it happening, even if it let Q? make REZ HD

Again i never said it was anything to do with Sega. But the fact that Q licensed it from Sega and then made another game kinda shows the point i'm making. That rereleases or little updates is usually to keep the IP in the minds of the public and make a game out of it. Dont try to spin it that i said anything else.

SEGA isn't interested in Shenmue, its an old IP than lost it money and cost it dear. There's far more IP that SEGA owns that's A) Sold better) and B) made SEGA money.

No wrong again. Arent you tired of being wrong? Any way please dont respond. Fed up of seeing your typing skills and we all know your opinion. So there's really no need to keep posting anymoe now is there.