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Offline ROJM

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Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« on: October 01, 2014, 10:53:54 am »
Are people so over sensitive that they're complaing about this?
 

 
Doesn't people have anything better to protest about?
 
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dc-entertainment-sexist-merchandise-outcry-737023
 
 
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Offline MadeManG74

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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2014, 11:26:43 am »
People these days race to be offended by anything.


I think a lot of people see it as a badge of honor like, 'Look guys, I care! I care about stuff!'.


It's incredibly frustrating, but I feel it's a fad that will die out soon. Either that or it's going to come to boiling point and we're going to start seeing more National Socialist governments being elected to stamp it out.

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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 01:07:46 pm »


I actually like SOME "sexism".
The quotation marks are there because shit like this isn't real sexism at all. Sexism is a real issue in many african and asian countries. In the developed world? Yea, not so much
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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2014, 04:34:23 am »
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In the developed world? Yea, not so much

You tell that to the bloody feminists....

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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2014, 02:05:01 pm »
Feminists are insulting to women themselves.

Same way any radical pro-gay, pro-christian, pro-muslim and other radical pro-something activists are detrimental for the sane people within their respective communities.
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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2014, 05:33:51 pm »
@ROJM

Yes, really!

Try again and pick a better shirt. You picked the safest choice.

@crackdude

Your first post lacks appreciation for historical context. That ad comes from the Good Old Days in the USA 50s. another segment of the ad says, continuing off of "you mean a woman can open it?":

"easily, without a knife blade, a bottle opener, or even a husband!"

The whole point is that the ad's message speaks of stereotypes about women's physical weakness and emotional/psychological dependency on men as leader or provider. There's also something ridiculous about the ad either presupposing a sense of empowerment  from being able to open a stupid bottle of ketchup or just the general suggestion that a woman being able to open ketchup by herself is for any reason actually shocking.

But I think your appreciation for "sexism" on some level speaks for itself. I can't imagine that there's any sexism that's good. and it does still exist, your comment about african and asian countries really just highlights the idea that feminism mostly has its origins int he West and has developed more in Western countries as a body of thought.

By the way, what exactly is "radical pro gay"?
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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2014, 05:42:23 pm »
People these days race to be offended by anything.


I think a lot of people see it as a badge of honor like, 'Look guys, I care! I care about stuff!'.
It's incredibly frustrating, but I feel it's a fad that will die out soon. Either that or it's going to come to boiling point and we're going to start seeing more National Socialist governments being elected to stamp it out.

I am not surprised to see more claims about claiming feminists and the like are interested in what I assume is called "fake moral outrage" but I wanted to touch on some things...

A fad that will die out soon. Let's say that feminism, anti-racist movements, and any minority-positive body of thought are all fads and die out soon. What in your mind remains when they are done and they have been either sufficiently defeated or the people who keep these movements afloat get bored or what have you?

And how does this National Socialist government get propped up, or promote whatever message you are suggesting it will promote. Is there really any current government that sufficiently cares about race or LGBT issues to actively invest themselves promotion of either antifeminist or feminist viewpoints?
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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2014, 10:09:25 am »
@ROJM

Yes, really!

Try again and pick a better shirt. You picked the safest choice.


Yawn...if you READ the article that i linked it with then you'd know that was the Tshirt that people was complaining about.

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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2014, 03:53:37 pm »
Yawn...if you READ the article that i linked it with then you'd know that was the Tshirt that people was complaining about.

Then you realize that wasn't the only shirt people were complaining about, right? I'll point out the relevant text if need be.

In any case, there's an argument to be made that all apparel in question are problematic to varying degree.

For additional pictures, there's an article here if anybody is interested.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/10/03/sexist-superhero-shirts/16638283/
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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2014, 02:32:43 am »
Then you realize that wasn't the only shirt people were complaining about, right? I'll point out the relevant text if need be.

In any case, there's an argument to be made that all apparel in question are problematic to varying degree.

For additional pictures, there's an article here if anybody is interested.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/10/03/sexist-superhero-shirts/16638283/

The only thing that bothers me with that is "training". Regardless it's nothing to throw a fit over imo, just don't buy the shirt. Some people might like the significant other aspect to the shirt. I do, I'd consider buying a "Wonder Woman's Husband" shirt if it had a cool design, nothing offensive about the significant other aspect of it.
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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2014, 05:06:20 am »
But in general women ARE physically weaker. And there is NOTHING wrong with that. Nor with joking about it, as you can joke about men being childish or brute.

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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2014, 05:37:57 am »
But in general women ARE physically weaker. And there is NOTHING wrong with that. Nor with joking about it, as you can joke about men being childish or brute.

I don't see anything wrong with joking about either. However it's important to discern between joke and seriously held view, there's not really evidence to suggest men are "childish", maturity is a tad subjective. Brutish is kind of an odd one too given the majority of our preeminent scientists and greatest minds have also been men but on the flipside, most violent criminals are men too. Regardless best not to stereotype folks, unless relying on significant data and the means of your discussion require generalities.

For the sake of comedy though, anything goes.
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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2014, 08:44:29 am »
A fad that will die out soon. Let's say that feminism, anti-racist movements, and any minority-positive body of thought are all fads and die out soon. What in your mind remains when they are done and they have been either sufficiently defeated or the people who keep these movements afloat get bored or what have you?

And how does this National Socialist government get propped up, or promote whatever message you are suggesting it will promote. Is there really any current government that sufficiently cares about race or LGBT issues to actively invest themselves promotion of either antifeminist or feminist viewpoints?

When I mentioned it being a 'fad' I should have clarified that I meant in relation to things like 'pop culture critics' and nonsense like that. I don't mean meaningful forms of anti-racism and feminism, I'm talking about this weird 'slactivist' phenomena where people petition Nintendo and complain on NeoGAF about not being able to play a transgender in a video game or about characters not having French accents in a fantasy game or something.

As for the idea of right-wing governments I'm mostly referring to Europe. Look at Greece, Golden Dawn is a far-right fascist party that gained enough support to enter parliament. Look at the Austrian  MP Ewald Stadler going ballistic against the Turkish ambassador in relation to the 'One way tolerance' towards Turks.

Obviously it's not related to things like 'Social Justice Warriors' directly, but I do feel that the backlash against them leads to more conservative political views as a direct contrast/counter.

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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2014, 08:49:57 am »
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/10/03/sexist-superhero-shirts/16638283/

I just saw those T-shirts, and I really think this is a case of someone rushing to be outraged so they can look important. 'I only date heroes' being offensive because "WOMEN CAN BE HEROES TOO". Really? Holy shit, it's a $5 shirt made to sell to nerd couples who just walked out of watching the latest summer blockbuster.
Maybe I should get offended that a woman chooses to ignore men who don't conform to their unrealistic ideals of what a Hero is, and that shirt makes me feel inadequate and depressed because I don't have a physique like Superman or Batman, and it belittles me and emasculates me because of that.

As Taro said above, who would get up in arms if there was a 'Looking for my WONDER WOMAN!' shirt for guys?

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Re: Sexist superhero Tshirts...really?
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2014, 03:30:04 pm »
Then you realize that wasn't the only shirt people were complaining about, right? I'll point out the relevant text if need be.

In any case, there's an argument to be made that all apparel in question are problematic to varying degree.

For additional pictures, there's an article here if anybody is interested.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/10/03/sexist-superhero-shirts/16638283/

No shit sherlock. But that one had the most complaints. Which is the reason why Hollywood reporter had that as their MAIN Image. And the reason why i went with THAT image. Geez...use you're frigging brains.