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[JRcade19]

Nah it couldn't....again the galaxy is a big place...the clones was heavily being mass produced before the start of the war and DURING the war... So were talking nearly a trillion of clones. I doubt that the empire soley relying on recruitment that they would be able to even cover that.

Some skepticism is fine, but there is a clear line between "That wasn't possible" and "I don't believe that was possible". Coruscant alone was described as having a population of at least one trillion.

Even if the empire only got .5% of Coruscant, that would still be 5 billion troops. This isn't even counting the other members of the Galactic Core, let alone the members of the republic.
 
The clone army was never anywhere NEAR a trillion clones. Lama Su in AOTC explicitly states that they have 200,000 clones ready for the republic by around the battle of Geonosis, with "a million more on the way". It took them 10 years to create 200,000 clones fit for combat with a 1 million reserve, either in development or some stage of training, most likely due to the refining processes during cloning(so we can safely assume that the process got better and batch creation was increased).

In order for your proposal of even at least one trillion to be true, the republic would have to be introducing 1 billion new clones into the army for at least 333/334 days of the year over the 3 year period of the clone wars. Tipoca city where the clones are made is only about 100 Km large. There isn't enough hoops anyone could jump through to justify that kind of math, to house, feed, clothe, and train that many troops, double so considering the 10 year training.

[ROJM]

Some skepticism is fine, but there is a clear line between "That wasn't possible" and "I don't believe that was possible". Coruscant alone was described as having a population of at least one trillion.

Even if the empire only got .5% of Coruscant, that would still be 5 billion troops. This isn't even counting the other members of the Galactic Core, let alone the members of the republic.
 
The clone army was never anywhere NEAR a trillion clones. Lama Su in AOTC explicitly states that they have 200,000 clones ready for the republic by around the battle of Geonosis, with "a million more on the way". It took them 10 years to create 200,000 clones fit for combat with a 1 million reserve, either in development or some stage of training, most likely due to the refining processes during cloning(so we can safely assume that the process got better and batch creation was increased).

In order for your proposal of even at least one trillion to be true, the republic would have to be introducing 1 billion new clones into the army for at least 333/334 days of the year over the 3 year period of the clone wars. Tipoca city where the clones are made is only about 100 Km large. There isn't enough hoops anyone could jump through to justify that kind of math, to house, feed, clothe, and train that many troops, double so considering the 10 year training.

I'm sure they sped up the process by the time the war kicked in. Because we had way more troops by the clone wars CGI show than in AOTC. Also to even maintain the galaxy..and conquer it...you'd have to have a huge number of troops. Palpatine recinded the order afterhe got rid of the Jedi..so that meant they had troops all over the galaxy or at least 80 to 90 percent of it. And that would still taker an enourmous number. So a trillion isn't far off..in fact its probably too small when you consider how big a galaxy actually is..

[JRcade19]

I can't make this any more simple than it already is.

A 5 million percentile increase in efficiency is silly when the decade prior is taken into consideration.

Opening credits to the CGI film:

A galaxy divided! Striking swiftly after the Battle of Geonosis, Count Dooku's droid army has seized control of the major hyperspace lanes, separating the Republic from the majority of its clone army. With few clones available, the Jedi generals cannot gain a foothold on the Outer Rim as more and more planets choose to join Dooku's Separatists.

This IS the war kicking in.

From the First episode of the CGI show

A galaxy divided by war! Peaceful worlds must choose sides or face the threat of invasion. Republic and Separatist armies vie for the allegiance of neutral planets. Desperate to build a Republic supply base on the system of Toydaria, Jedi Master Yoda travels to secret negotiations on a remote neutral moon....

Then there is ROTS where even Obi wan laments on how the republic is running low on the cruisers it needs to successfully transport troops.

The canon is pretty clear that the Republic didn't win the war on number of troops. It won because it had the greatest support from member planets. The empire would not have needed Troops on nearly every planet. This is silly considering that the Emperor became everyone's Waifu in ROTS.

Even in the TV show, the republic set up remote waypoints on barren or lifeless planets which could be used to measure activity in a sector. If those waypoints ever went down or stopped responding, then, and only then would the republic commit resources to that sector. There is little reason as to why the empire would not do the same for any planet no deemed important enough for  committed defense.

It's not like it takes long to get anywhere in the star wars universe anyway. Ships are seemingly jumping from one half of the galaxy in matters of hours, days or a week or two.

[ROJM]

I can't make this any more simple than it already is.

A 5 million percentile increase in efficiency is silly when the decade prior is taken into consideration.

Opening credits to the CGI film:

This IS the war kicking in.

From the First episode of the CGI show

Then there is ROTS where even Obi wan laments on how the republic is running low on the cruisers it needs to successfully transport troops.

The canon is pretty clear that the Republic didn't win the war on number of troops. It won because it had the greatest support from member planets. The empire would not have needed Troops on nearly every planet. This is silly considering that the Emperor became everyone's Waifu in ROTS.

Even in the TV show, the republic set up remote waypoints on barren or lifeless planets which could be used to measure activity in a sector. If those waypoints ever went down or stopped responding, then, and only then would the republic commit resources to that sector. There is little reason as to why the empire would not do the same for any planet no deemed important enough for  committed defense.

It's not like it takes long to get anywhere in the star wars universe anyway. Ships are seemingly jumping from one half of the galaxy in matters of hours, days or a week or two.

Really..except for the fact that the imperials are still around 30 years later after Jedi..Do you know what that means?

It means the empire reach was vast in the galaxy and far reaching.
That they had the infrustructure to have that reach and embed themselves in the galaxy
And that the army responsible for getting them to that level was VAST indeed. Which is why it isn't easy to have just gotten rid of what was left of the empire film.
You can use the spin off material that's beenthrown out of official canon all you like. You just don't want to admit that there is a big gaping polthole over the clones and the strom trooper recruting replacements..

[JRcade19]

Really..except for the fact that the imperials are still around 30 years later after Jedi..Do you know what that means?

Nothing. It's called hiding. The rebels did it the entire original trilogy. The only major offensive the rebels ever canonically take against the empire(since the old EU is wiped out) was the Battle of Endor and that was a last ditch effort which would have ended the rebellion if it had failed.

It means the empire reach was vast in the galaxy and far reaching.
That they had the infrustructure to have that reach and embed themselves in the galaxy

Yes. It's called having absolute power. Symptoms may include little to no opposition and unwavering loyalty from your population. AKA Revenge of the Sith.

And that the army responsible for getting them to that level was VAST indeed. Which is why it isn't easy to have just gotten rid of what was left of the empire film.

Again you provide little justification for the empire to have installments on the majority of planets, when *most* of the important members of the galactic republic were almost completely loyal to Palpatine. The Outer Rims were a source of trouble during the clone wars, and continued to be a problem until Grand Moff Tarkin was appointed and enacted the Tarkin Doctrine.

In a new hope, it is known that Imperials have made contact with Tatooine, that they occasionally check up on it(Because of Jabba's smuggling), but never once do are we subject to confirmation to a permanent imperial presence in the film. The only reason imperials are on Tatooine at all in that film is because of the escape pod jettisoned from the Tantive IV containing the Death star plans.

You can use the spin off material that's beenthrown out of official canon all you like. You just don't want to admit that there is a big gaping polthole over the clones and the strom trooper recruting replacements..

Pretty much every post I've made in the last page is using nothing but canon sources. So again, you just can't accept the facts(oh the irony)

Clone wars CGI film is canon
Clone wars CGI cartoon is canon
Prequels and Originals are canon
Rebels is Canon
And the Novel "Tarkin" is Canon.
   

[ROJM]

Nothing. It's called hiding. The rebels did it the entire original trilogy. The
only major offensive the rebels ever canonically take against the empire(since
the old EU is wiped out) was the Battle of Endor and that was a last ditch
effort which would have ended the rebellion if it had failed.

Wrong...they've been fighting since jedi..and in the open.

Yes. It's called having absolute power. Symptoms may include little to no
opposition and unwavering loyalty from your population. AKA Revenge of the
Sith.

Yes the same film showing the countless armies of Clone troopers overwhelming the Jedi.VAST army..that no ammount of recruiting could replace the army that was in place..

Again you provide little justification for the empire to have installments on
the majority of planets, when *most* of the important members of the galactic
republic were almost completely loyal to Palpatine. The Outer Rims were a source
of trouble during the clone wars, and continued to be a problem until Grand Moff
Tarkin was appointed and enacted the Tarkin Doctrine.

Again not really canon anymore..

In a new hope, it is known that Imperials have made contact with Tatooine, that
they occasionally check up on it(Because of Jabba's smuggling), but never once
do are we subject to confirmation to a permanent imperial presence in the film.
The only reason imperials are on Tatooine at all in that film is because of the
escape pod jettisoned from the Tantive IV containing the Death star plans.

The imperials had a presence on Tatooine...they was stationed at the space ports..that's the difference between the empire and the republic...they only had presence on certain worlds..and never enforced their presence..the empire did..or have you not seen rebels and how they act on backwater worlds...

Pretty much every post I've made in the last page is using nothing but canon
sources. So again, you just can't accept the facts(oh the irony)

Not really. Many of what you said have been in the EU and EU alone. Not actual facts since the films haven't SPELT IT OUT yet.

Clone wars CGI film is canon
Clone wars CGI cartoon is canon
Prequels
and Originals are canon
Rebels is Canon
And the Novel "Tarkin" is Canon.

Tarkin isn't canon mate...not officially..even the writer doesn't really know if its part of official canon yet..
   

[JRcade19]

Wrong...they've been fighting since jedi..and in the open.

Which you have no evidence of. ROTJ:

Death star II was destroyed
Imperial Navy scattered
The galaxy itself engaged in victory celebrations destroying imperial statues and emplacements. Not even Coruscant cared that the empire had fallen, and that was the central hub of imperial power.

The trailer in addition:
Shows Stormtroopers
X-wings scrambling on an otherwise peaceful looking planet
Talk about an awakening power

I don't see how you can translate that to anything but: "The empire is returning in force once again".
You seem to take it as:  "The empire is always there but we're going to make it look cool even though a conflict happens every saturday morning"

Yes the same film showing the countless armies of Clone troopers overwhelming the Jedi.VAST army..that no ammount of recruiting could replace the army that was in place..

Man...if your definition of countless is:
6 troopers killing Ayla Secura
5-7 killing Ki-Adi Mundi
2 pilots killing Plo Koon
2 Scouts killing a Jedi Master on her speeder
and About 6-10(probably, we only ever saw 2 of them on screen at the jedi temple and 1000 troops sounds more than enough to kill younglings and padawans) battalions of about 100 troops each killing children or adolescents.

I really don't know what to say. Even Commander Cody didn't bother to send troops after Obi wan, he just shot him with artillery

Again not really canon anymore..

Tarkin is canon see below. Covering your ears and pretending it isn't doesn't make you look good.

The imperials had a presence on Tatooine...they was stationed at the space ports..that's the difference between the empire and the republic...they only had presence on certain worlds..and never enforced their presence..the empire did..or have you not seen rebels and how they act on backwater worlds...

Again, I already explained this. Prior to the Tantive IV incident in A new hope we don't have any indication of a permanent imperial presence on Tatooine(unless Rebels clears this up eventually). If the Imperials had a presence on Tatooine, then the first thing they would have done when the escape pod was launched and cleared their range, was to contact that imperials down below and have them search for the pod and report back.

Instead, they actually formed up 2 detachments. One to search the Dune sea and the other to watch the space port, so that the plans could not leave the planet. HENCE the imperial star destroyer chase scene. The empire didn't want to lose the death star plans again.

Not really. Many of what you said have been in the EU and EU alone. Not actual facts since the films haven't SPELT IT OUT yet.

Outside of the population of Coruscant, and the heavily suggestive evidence in the new trailer that the imperials are coming out of hiding please name me statements on this page that references the non canon EU.

Tarkin isn't canon mate...not officially..even the writer doesn't really know if its part of official canon yet..

Yes it is.

   

Going forward, Lucasfilm has begun mapping out the narrative future of Star Wars storytelling that will appear on film and television and in other media so that all projects will benefit from real-time collaboration and alignment. The future Star Wars novels from Disney Publishing Worldwide and Del Rey Books will now be part of the official Star Wars canon as reflected on upcoming TV and movie screens.

Guess who publishes Tarkin?

SPOILER: [spoiler]Del Rey[/spoiler]

[ROJM]

Which you have no evidence of. ROTJ:

And neither do you. Its speculation on you're part..but my speculation is logical considering the timeline AND the fact that its been clearly estabilshed by the films that the clone army is huge. Its never been estabilshed on the size of the stormtrooper army. Its never been estabilshed when exactly the Troopers died or anything else. So i suggest you get off you're EU high cannon and stop acting like you are 100 percent correct on the thing.

And again the Writer who was interviewed wasn't sure how much of Tarkin was part of ACTUAL canon. So that's another indication you haven't even looked in on the subject or you would know exactly what i was referring to..the publisher means nothing since they also can do the Star Wars legends boks..EU material.

[JRcade19]

And neither do you. Its speculation on you're part..but my speculation is logical considering the timeline AND the fact that its been clearly estabilshed by the films that the clone army is huge. Its never been estabilshed on the size of the stormtrooper army. Its never been estabilshed when exactly the Troopers died or anything else. So i suggest you get off you're EU high cannon and stop acting like you are 100 percent correct on the thing.

And again the Writer who was interviewed wasn't sure how much of Tarkin was part of ACTUAL canon. So that's another indication you haven't even looked in on the subject or you would know exactly what i was referring to..the publisher means nothing since they also can do the Star Wars legends boks..EU material.

I already did the math for you. There is nothing logical about your speculation. Literally nothing.

I gave you a number that was explicity stated in Attack of the Clones when Obi wan was visiting Kamino. That number is 200,000 with 1 million in production/reserve. Again, your ignorance is astounding.

If it's never been established when clones die then your entire argument is meanignless, because your entire argument hinges on the fact that clones were dying faster than the empire could replace them with recruitment.

You're holding me to an exact standard of interpretation while not holding yourself to the same standard. You're a hypocrite and trying to cop out.

This last gem is the most hilarious though. I don't care what the writer thinks. I care about what Disney thinks, and since you seem to have a reading comprehension problem, I'll spell it out for you again.

Going forward, Lucasfilm has begun mapping out the narrative future of Star Wars storytelling that will appear on film and television and in other media so that all projects will benefit from real-time collaboration and alignment. The future Star Wars novels from Disney Publishing Worldwide and Del Rey Books will now be part of the official Star Wars canon as reflected on upcoming TV and movie screens.

This is straight from Disney itself. You are literally in self denial.

[Barry the Nomad]

Yeah, I've stayed out of this argument because the new canon isn't being acknowledged. Like JRcade said, Tarkin is canon. Tarkin also references EU elements which bring only those referenced elements into canon.

[ROJM]

I already did the math for you. There is nothing logical about your speculation. Literally nothing.

Because you're stupid that's why..Oh the empire can replace mass produced clones with normal human stormtroopers..you're logic is silly to say the least..

I gave you a number that was explicity stated in Attack of the Clones when Obi wan was visiting Kamino. That number is 200,000 with 1 million in production/reserve. Again, your ignorance is astounding.

No because you are assuming that that was the STANDARD number after the original shipment..when it was obvious that the number whould rise because they are in a WAR situation.  So its  a you who is ignorant.

If it's never been established when clones die then your entire argument is meanignless, because your entire argument hinges on the fact that clones were dying faster than the empire could replace them with recruitment.

In ever said it was establish for gods sake..you were the one who said they died at a certain age..and that the empire replaced them all which i'm disputing that they would be able to replace them with the EXACT number. Stop trying to turn something i never said.

You're holding me to an exact standard of interpretation while not holding yourself to the same standard. You're a hypocrite and trying to cop out.

I think you are talking about yourself not me.

This last gem is the most hilarious though. I don't care what the writer thinks. I care about what Disney thinks, and since you seem to have a reading comprehension problem, I'll spell it out for you again.

The writer is the one who came up with the story..if Lucasfilm (not disney..cant get that right even)   hasn't told him if the stuff he wrote is proper canon..then of course its a concern.

This is straight from Disney itself. You are literally in self denial.

Speaking from the guy who is using Disney as  asource..its Lucasfilm who are in charge of the canon not Disney. Disney owns lucasfilm. Lucasfilm handles everything Star Wars..like Marvel handles everything MARVEL. Again learn what you are talking about.

[ROJM]

Yeah, I've stayed out of this argument because the new canon isn't being acknowledged. Like JRcade said, Tarkin is canon. Tarkin also references EU elements which bring only those referenced elements into canon.

Like i said the writer isn't sure..which isn't a good thing..New Dawn is proper canon...but Tarkin shouldn't have any doubts. So if the writer has doubts then i'm not going to use Tarkin as proper canon...he wouldn't say it if lucasfilm assured him its canon proper.Anyway i',  not wasting time on jarcade and his nonsense logic and EU logic tomfoolerly.

[Barry the Nomad]

Like i said the writer isn't sure..which isn't a good thing..New Dawn is proper canon...but Tarkin shouldn't have any doubts. So if the writer has doubts then i'm not going to use Tarkin as proper canon...he wouldn't say it if lucasfilm assured him its canon proper.Anyway i',  not wasting time on jarcade and his nonsense logic and EU logic tomfoolerly.

Dude... dude! So what if the author was unsure if it would be in the new canon or not? In the end the LFL story group approved the book and proclaimed that it is a part of the new canon. Tarkin is just as canon as A New Dawn, Rebels, The Clone Wars, Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir, and the films. The author's opinion does not impact the canon status, there is no debate to be had. Tarkin is canon.

[JRcade19]

Yeah, I've stayed out of this argument because the new canon isn't being acknowledged. Like JRcade said, Tarkin is canon. Tarkin also references EU elements which bring only those referenced elements into canon.

Again as I've told ROMJ, nothing I've said within this past page references anything BUT the new canon, with the exception of the population of Coruscant.

I've listed my sources at least 2 or 3 times now

Because you're stupid that's why..Oh the empire can replace mass produced clones with normal human stormtroopers..you're logic is silly to say the least..

Considering that there are a lot more humans in the Galaxy than there are clones, lol'd.

No because you are assuming that that was the STANDARD number after the original shipment..when it was obvious that the number whould rise because they are in a WAR situation.  So its  a you who is ignorant.

Again the numbers don't add up.

The Kaminoans don't have the resources nor space you're proposing to support literal millionth percentile increases in efficiency. I DARE you to find even one scene in any of the movies that claims the imperial army is standing at at least a trillion strong.

I've given you an exact number and you have done nothing but insist that your perspective on clone populations override actual canon

In ever said it was establish for gods sake..you were the one who said they died at a certain age..and that the empire replaced them all which i'm disputing that they would be able to replace them with the EXACT number. Stop trying to turn something i never said.

And I quote YOU on page 2

its now established that  the clone soldiers died due to limited life spans

To which I responded

The only problems with clones was their aging, which was at twice the rate of a normal human.

They were sent into combat at age 10(20). The gap between the clone wars and Galactic civil war is only about 20 or so years, so any surviving clones, from the first generation, not counting the generations cloned afterwards would have been around 60 or so about that time.

The rest of your response about Disney and Lucasfilm is silly and has already been rebutted.

Don't bother responding to my post unless you can come back with hard evidence that the clone army was at least a trillion strong other than "Look at all those eggman clones" sonic heroes tier nonsense that you've been spewing out.

[ROJM]

Dude... dude! So what if the author was unsure if it would be in the new canon or not? In the end the LFL story group approved the book and proclaimed that it is a part of the new canon. Tarkin is just as canon as A New Dawn, Rebels, The Clone Wars, Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir, and the films. The author's opinion does not impact the canon status, there is no debate to be had. Tarkin is canon.

Sorry but if the writer isn't sure than i'm not buying it. He wouldn't say that if Lucasfilm told him for sure that it was canon..so just saying that doesn't make sense Barry..since they comissoned the book there would be no doubt that it was canon..but now he is saying he's not sure. Logic prue and simple.And the logic of certain fans astounds me. A million clone troopers in ten years when the war only went on for three years is impractical. Unlike some people who can't use their logic..a million wouldn't even cover a small country on this planet let alone some made up galaxy..and then add in the loss of life..there was NO way in hell that..they would rely on that number of troopers without speeding up the process.And as was described they had a huge army for the grand republic which meant there would have to be a sizeable ammount of clones mass produced to even cover the galaxy. So relying just on recruiting alone wouldn't even cover half the galaxy. But what the hey some of you guys think the prequels are actually good..