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Offline inthesky

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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #120 on: May 07, 2015, 11:58:25 pm »
I think it's impossible not to view Sega's absence as unfortunate. We understand and I respect their rationale, but still.

In any case, the reactions we see (which are understandable) are to be expected until some hypothetical dark future where Sega is barely in games. To speak specifically about the classic games, it seems Sega is moving as far as the Heritage and the 3D Classics performances go
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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #121 on: May 08, 2015, 02:45:46 am »
The thing that I don't understand is that SEGA has always been about moving forward, this is the company that didn't make an official sequel to Outrun until 2003, 17 years after the original. Sure, they had some games they would re-do, but they mostly delivered and moved on. This is why I'm surprised people don't clamor for the return of more Japanese studios making unique IPs, they clamor for 'sequels'...

Maybe Nintendo should buy SEGA, that way they can make all the sequels everyone wants.

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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #122 on: May 08, 2015, 05:05:56 am »
Honestly I'd rather have SEGA make new games as good as their classics than just making sequels to them. Aside from Jet Set Radio that needs to come back.

EDIT: Welp I didn't even read George's post before mine. But yeah usually new original IP > sequels that are just more of the same.
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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #123 on: May 08, 2015, 06:01:01 am »
Do I think Sega bringing back classics in this era will work? Maybe.

I think it really depends on whether or not they can develop the games right. If they put in as much effort as they do with sonic games, then no.

I gotta disagree here, forget Sonic Boom I doubt anything like that will be allowed to happen again. Lets talk actual SEGA Japan, Sonic Team.

Sonic Colours and Generations were both well made games with a lot of effort put into them. The purpose build Hedgehog Engine for a start. You could argue they both had faults, but those are generally all weird design choices, not from lack of trying to build a quality game. Sonic Colours for instants was easily one of the best looking games on Wii, the music was stellar, the level designs and aesthetics were really great. Generations too.

Now Sonic Lost World is a funny one because in some cases I would say it's one of the most polished Sonic games. I think it found a really good look for Sonic, again great graphics, music, levels, aesthetic... character animations were really smooth. The Sonic storylines have finally found themselves too. But again weird design choices hampered it... The speed levels felt on rails and kind of boring, the circular world thing was restrictive, wisps were shoehorned in.

While something like Sonic 06 and Sonic Boom were just BAD games, poor in quality, right out the gate... The three recent Sonic games from Sonic Team, beginning with Colours, have been circling a really incredible Sonic experience... But never quite getting there. But I'd certainly not say there was a lack of effort or they were poor quality games. I think they're edging closer to greatness in increments.
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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #124 on: May 08, 2015, 07:55:41 am »
If the only reason you think something would be successful because you liked it, isn't it a fairly silly position to hold?

That's my point exactly, who says stuff like that? It comes off like a straw man argument, along with the sarcasm at the end, it's easy to read it as something insulting. I personally don't mind because I speak to George a lot and post on the forums, but to the average front page reader it would be easy to read badly.

Although, having said that I generally don't read front page comments or see Segabits' emails, so maybe there literally are people out there constantly arguing 'Guys a new Toejam and Earl will save Sega, because it's my favourite game'.

The thing that I don't understand is that SEGA has always been about moving forward, this is the company that didn't make an official sequel to Outrun until 2003, 17 years after the original. Sure, they had some games they would re-do, but they mostly delivered and moved on. This is why I'm surprised people don't clamor for the return of more Japanese studios making unique IPs, they clamor for 'sequels'...

Even sequels to old Sega games would be welcome when we mostly get fed sequels to franchises that Sega purchased or licensed titles. Fine games, but they aren't the games people associated with Sega back in the day, nor are they home grown Sega franchises even if they are Sega games.

As for fans not asking for original IPs, it's easier to think "I'd like a sequel to my favourite game" than saying "I want Sega to make something new". Something new is just such a broad term and concept. I think it goes without saying that fans would enjoy a new IP, look at Valkyria Chronicles or Bayonetta.

Also, I really wish Sega would port Sega Race TV to Steam or something. That game looks really fun.
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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #125 on: May 08, 2015, 08:52:53 am »
That's my point exactly, who says stuff like that? It comes off like a straw man argument, along with the sarcasm at the end, it's easy to read it as something insulting. I personally don't mind because I speak to George a lot and post on the forums, but to the average front page reader it would be easy to read badly.

Although, having said that I generally don't read front page comments or see Segabits' emails, so maybe there literally are people out there constantly arguing 'Guys a new Toejam and Earl will save Sega, because it's my favourite game'.

Well go to the comment sections and have a look yourself. Check the SEGAbits facebook page that has people telling us SEGA funding Shenmue 3 would make them millions.

People want a sequel and even if they don't directly say its because they like the game... It's because they want the game rather than understanding if it's feasible or not.

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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #126 on: May 08, 2015, 09:20:25 am »
Segabits has a facebook page!?

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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #128 on: May 08, 2015, 11:49:52 am »
This should be a goldmine for comments.

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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #129 on: May 08, 2015, 12:03:07 pm »
This should be a goldmine for comments.
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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #130 on: May 09, 2015, 02:05:10 am »
The thing that I don't understand is that SEGA has always been about moving forward, this is the company that didn't make an official sequel to Outrun until 2003, 17 years after the original. Sure, they had some games they would re-do, but they mostly delivered and moved on. This is why I'm surprised people don't clamor for the return of more Japanese studios making unique IPs, they clamor for 'sequels'...

Maybe Nintendo should buy SEGA, that way they can make all the sequels everyone wants.

well don't tell that to fans of Golden Sun, F-Zero, Metroid, etc. etc. =P

Joke aside, on some level,why are we having a discussion about why people ask for sequels. Isn't it obvious? People get attached to the world, people like a game's battle system, they hope for the same sound or composer team to return (Bravely series is an exception here). It's not as if we all don't have some favorites too. Besides, I think that post assumes that there's no overlap between people who want new things and people who want to see the old franchises return. It also makes sense that not everyone is gung-ho about what's new, because as I think MadeManG was alluding to, basically people have preferences. Not everyone is a Sega fan or fan of everything Sega has their hand in. Not everyone is a fan of SRPGs, so when Valkyria Chronicles was announced, as much as some people appreciated it as something unique there are plenty who just might not have cared and wanted something else or would rather have had Skies 2 or something. Doesn't really bother me. An unlikely scenario considering that as we now understand it, VC is a franchise that people tend to appreciate, if at least from a distance, but I believe I made my point.

while I quoted your post George, this isn't designed as a slight to you but something I've been thinking about generally over the years.

Talk of progress aside, some franchises are clearly exempt from this- those are things like Sonic, Total War, etc. Some franchises are so big or make enough return that the risk to its continued existence is "insulated" or protected. That's what this is about more than anything. I mean it's not like Sega hasn't already been trying out new IPs either, like Rhythm Thief or Hero Bank. They didn't take in any profound way, for whatever circumstances. Hasn't everyone been going for new IPs (besides Koei Tecmo, maybe, I can't think of what they're doing)? I know that Bandai Namco, Square-Enix, and Capcom have been trying new IPs at least. We're really not dealing with a uniquely-Sega situation. Sega is not unique in its creation of franchises that people love but then are later shelved due to certain reasons. People still want Mega Man, Rival Schools, Darkstalkers, Legend of Mana, Klonoa, blah blahblahblahblahbahb

Like, if Valkyria were to basically cease to exist (for all we know, it's a dormant franchise), why would I accept this direction? I mean I'm not going to say Sega is dying (it'll take way more than Valkyria being dormant to do any sort of real damage to Sega) but I'm not going to accept it graciously either. I don't have any reason to believe there's little else that could be done with the franchise. Does it behoove me, as just as one individual who lacks any real leverage in Sega's decision making process on my own, to internalize the rationalizations of the market? I don't think so.

Well go to the comment sections and have a look yourself. Check the SEGAbits facebook page that has people telling us SEGA funding Shenmue 3 would make them millions.

People want a sequel and even if they don't directly say its because they like the game... It's because they want the game rather than understanding if it's feasible or not.

-Dubious- proposition aside (re: that specific shenmue 3 notion) I don't think it's important whether or not a person's desire for a game is influenced by its perceived commercial viability. That most gaming consumers aren't considering a game's feasibility ( at least, as far as they know) isn't necessary from their point of view. I'll understand the logic of why a company might not go through with it, but I'm not less inclined to want it, and may not be less inclined to make that company aware of it. If enough people signal Sega about their game/proposition it's at least a useful data point.

Not to say that this means all ideas under the sun have some unnoticed commercial feasibility...but why do we care about every idea under the sun anyway? The way I see it, if people stop screeching for Shenmue 3 altogether, then Sega will have zero reason to think about the game, instead of one reason.

Separate note, I think we're at the point where we're being tempted to reacting in turn to overreacting comments.
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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #131 on: May 09, 2015, 02:37:56 am »
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You do know there are like other systems that people care about? You do you know that Total War: Warhammer will outsell most 'next gen' games by


Spare me the fanboy defence . Overlooking your PC rig can just about run Witcher 2 I find it hard to believe you'll be getting the new Total War much less a serious PC gamer and if you want to talk sales ... Monster Hunter alone sells better than any Football Manager or any Creative Assembly game you could care to meantion and well any SEGA game other than Sonic and Mario Olympics on the Wii . never mind the Resident Evil 5 and 6 sales .


So if you're going to write fanboy drivel at least get your sales fig's right and open your eyes to SEGA becoming less and less a player in the games market . BTW keep the good work reminding us all about how good SEGA Japan 'used' to be the classic features on UGA, TA and so on  ::) 
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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #132 on: May 09, 2015, 08:44:45 am »
Football Manager is literally one of the most played games on Steam... It's pretty much always in the top 10 at least: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

As for the Total War games, how about you take a look at SEGA's best selling games on Steam: http://steamspy.com/dev/SEGA

And as for Monster Hunter selling better: no shit, it's Monster Hunter. But what's important is that SEGA's games are selling well, not better than other games.
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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #133 on: May 09, 2015, 09:44:48 am »
-Dubious- proposition aside (re: that specific shenmue 3 notion) I don't think it's important whether or not a person's desire for a game is influenced by its perceived commercial viability. That most gaming consumers aren't considering a game's feasibility ( at least, as far as they know) isn't necessary from their point of view.

But this is in relation to the mindset George was talking about regarding some fans, not every fan's personal opinion.

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Re: Sega confirms no E3 booth this year
« Reply #134 on: May 09, 2015, 04:04:23 pm »

Spare me the fanboy defence . Overlooking your PC rig can just about run Witcher 2 I find it hard to believe you'll be getting the new Total War much less a serious PC gamer and if you want to talk sales ... Monster Hunter alone sells better than any Football Manager or any Creative Assembly game you could care to meantion and well any SEGA game other than Sonic and Mario Olympics on the Wii . never mind the Resident Evil 5 and 6 sales .


So if you're going to write fanboy drivel at least get your sales fig's right and open your eyes to SEGA becoming less and less a player in the games market . BTW keep the good work reminding us all about how good SEGA Japan 'used' to be the classic features on UGA, TA and so on  ::) 
I got a new video care this week for Witcher 3, so I can run the upcoming Total War too. My old PC card was a 560gtx, it was older but it didn't just 'barely' run Witcher 2, it ran it on medium/high. But whatever, I guess I'm not a real gamer like you lol.

I don't know what logic has to do with fanboysim, but OK. Sounds like you are making stuff up about me.