Sega confirms no E3 booth this year

[George]

Team Andromeda: "I don't give a fuck about any games SEGA has, I don't care about other consoles that aren't Xbox One or Playstation 4"

Alright.

You do know there are like other systems that people care about? You do you know that Total War: Warhammer will outsell most 'next gen' games by Capcom (which seem to be Free-to-play titles).

[TimmiT]

(Tembo does look like a flash game though)

I think you've forgotten what Flash games look like.


Also, great article George. Hopefully clears some stuff up.

[Happy Cat]

Who plays these games!? WHO KEEPS BUYING THEM!? Apart from Happy Cat. And that one guy I know who plays it on his Vita.

Hmm, fair point. I guess we'll see. Hopefully it would be released on PS3 and PS4 in English. Did we ever find out if the Chinese/Taiwanese version would have English subtitles?

There is a lot of people in SEGA who like the games.

Ruby / Aaron may not be with SEGA anymore, but I wouldn't count him out yet, hes crazy passionate about SEGA. Just listen to his sales pitch to GameSpot for Project Diva F 2nd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N19owbgoDHU

watch from 20 second mark

[MadeManG74]

Well I could be clever go on about the likes of RE Revelations and so on (but hey its nothing more than a last gen game running on the PS4). I'll just point out Capcom and Square have up-coming games  take advantage of the next gen. They may well turn out to be crap, but at last they're working on true next gen games

I feel like they have something in the works, we just haven't seen it yet.

You do know there are like other systems that people care about? You do you know that Total War: Warhammer will outsell most 'next gen' games by Capcom (which seem to be Free-to-play titles).

I don't care how much it sells so much as I care about it being a good game. I really don't want CA to fuck this one up. I'm cautiously optimistic.

I think you've forgotten what Flash games look like.

Quite possibly, but I just hate art style for some reason. The gameplay footage looks okay though, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised, but if I didn't see people posting it on here, I never would have paid it any attention.

[Barry the Nomad]

Radrappy seems annoyed at George and myself, claiming we say “Sega is fine, enjoy Total War and Atlus or shut up.” but I honestly do not know where we have told people this. Interested to hear where he is getting this from.

Personally, I think Creative Assembly, Relic, and Atlus are all smart buys on SEGA's end. But I have never told people to enjoy those titles and shut up. "SEGA is fine" is a weird thing to argue over, because what IS fine? SEGA as a whole is fine, dare I say doing rather well in the current climate. SEGA Europe are doing well. SEGA of America are not doing well, but they are in the process of remedying it.

[MadeManG74]

Radrappy seems annoyed at George and myself, claiming we say “Sega is fine, enjoy Total War and Atlus or shut up.” but I honestly do not know where we have told people this. Interested to hear where he is getting this from.

Personally, I think Creative Assembly, Relic, and Atlus are all smart buys on SEGA's end. But I have never told people to enjoy those titles and shut up. "SEGA is fine" is a weird thing to argue over, because what IS fine? SEGA as a whole is fine, dare I say doing rather well in the current climate. SEGA Europe are doing well. SEGA of America are not doing well, but they are in the process of remedying it.

The issue is, most people don't care that 'Sega is fine' financially, they care that Sega don't make any games that they enjoy anymore.

And I can't really fault them for having that opinion. As I said, I like Total War and CoH2, but they were franchises before Sega bought them, and if anything they've gotten worse under Sega. I still love Yakuza and VF, but one is on life support in the west and the other... well it's also on life support in the west, AND I'm waiting for a new installment.

It's just a case of them saying 'That's great that Sega is still trading, but why should we care?'

EDIT: Actually, that's probably not fair for TW series. My favourite games in the series were Medieval 2 + Expansions and Shogun + Expansions. I am disgusted with the DLC from Shogun 2 onwards though.

[Barry the Nomad]

I don't care if people have that opinion, hell sometimes I have that opinion, but I am wondering where “Sega is fine, enjoy Total War and Atlus or shut up” is coming from.

[MadeManG74]

Probably taking lines like this the wrong way:

Personally I’m a bit dumbfounded that fans really think that games they ‘liked’ will turn a company around, especially when some of those talked about IPs stopped being supported forever ago. Oh, because you liked the franchise? That makes sense. Great business move.

The issue here is that most SEGA fans don’t want to face the truth, even SEGA’s flagship franchise fails to sell as much as Total War and Football Manager games do on a constant basis.

[Aki-at]

I don't care if people have that opinion, hell sometimes I have that opinion, but I am wondering where “Sega is fine, enjoy Total War and Atlus or shut up” is coming from.

I can only imagine not posting enough articles about why SEGA is in a bad shape or how they are mistreating their fans/how other companies are treating their fans better, is what leads people to such assumptions.

I do recall recently arguing with someone who said SEGA should emulate Konami or rather, how Konami was leaving SEGA behind a few months back. I pointed out Konami's problems but it fell on deaf ears, fast forward a couple of weeks, Silent Hills cancelled, Kojima set to leave and I feel it shows people are either blinded by their own dissatisfaction at SEGA or were blinded by one major game (Metal Gear Solid V) to notice the overall problem at Konami. Facts do not speak well to some people, only the picture the mass media paints.

[Radrappy]

I don't care if people have that opinion, hell sometimes I have that opinion, but I am wondering where “Sega is fine, enjoy Total War and Atlus or shut up” is coming from.

Oh please.  The entire article was full of one liners that are clearly intended to enrage people like me, Mademan, and TA.  Not only that, but this forum is incredibly defensive about Sega to the point where people are actually arguing that TW, Atlus, and Miku are worthy substitutes for the wonderful library of properties that Sega has all but left in the gutter.  They may not be struggling financially or anywhere near it but they certainly are bankrupt creatively.

Actions speak louder than words.  The reason you guys need to keep writing articles like this to dispel "misconceptions" is because Sega's output speaks for itself.     

[Barry the Nomad]

The point of the article was to dispel the notion that SEGA is not going to be at E3 at all, something that several sites are incorrectly reporting and/or implying in headlines. No booth =/= no presence. George was also responding to people who believe the "no more package games" thing, and the notion that that is the reason for no booth. The childhood IP thing was a response, again, to people who pinpoint that as the reason they are not at E3. Like seriously, we get emails from people claiming Shenmue III will solve all of SEGA's problems. We're a fan site dude. Of course we are going to be fans of SEGA on some level and try to set the record straight when the general media gets shit wrong. Also, do you really speak for Mademan or TA? Why not let them speak for themselves?

Really, you seem to be taking offense to George's mention of classic IPs. But that is all based on personal tastes. Just because something is an old IP doesn't mean it is a better game than Total War or Miku or any of Atlus's output. And who said any of those new IPs are substitutes for the old ones? They are not. Nothing will replace Jet Set Radio or After Burner, but why can't we enjoy games like Total War or Miku or Atlus and others? (hereby referred to as TWMAAO because I'm tired of typing that out each time I mention them).

[Trippled]

Atlus USA is so distanced from Sega USA that they dont even have the SEGA copyright on their games, and have an investor firm which overseas Sega does not even have anymore. It is strange.

[Aki-at]

Atlus USA is so distanced from Sega USA that they dont even have the SEGA copyright on their games, and have an investor firm which overseas Sega does not even have anymore. It is strange.

The way the organisation has been restructured would take until the end of the year wouldn't it? Can't remember if it was end of the year or June, maybe that's the reason for the hold up?

[George]

I think most people that 'read' the article and had 'issues' with it don't understand the concept of it and didn't finish reading it. What I stated about Total War selling more than SEGA in-house IPs have isn't to illustrate that SEGA IPs are bad, but that SEGA is making wise business decisions, especially SOE (Which is really a first for that side of SEGA in terms of in-house teams) and this concept that SEGA is doing bad because they don't make another Shenmue is absurd, because SEGA has tried bringing back these fan favorites as ports and performed badly (for them).

You should read the rest of the article, because I do explain SEGA having issues. For fucks sake, this is the 4th restructure in like 5 years, of course there are issues. I dunno, I think everyone is crying about "HEY WHERE IS THIS GMAE NOW WHERRER!? " when a company just stated days ago that they have new announcements after June's move... how about stop complaining for 5 minutes and let the company move their shit.

The article isn't about what games you should like or not like, I don't give a fuck what games you play. The article was about how SEGA still has a line-up to have a decent booth at E3, if not decent at least better than the one they had last year. The problem with people like Radrappy is that they think 'Total War's success = we hate SEGA Japan games', which is just putting words in our mouths.

[Trippled]

I don't know, there were several "Holdings" companies for USA and Europe Sega, but for the US they completly dissapeared in about 2007, in 2009 and 2012 some executives had positions at Sega Europe Holdings...but that went away too.

Currently it looks like they want to reduce Sega US and unify Sega resources, but keep Atlus USA pretty much the same (infact for some, their output has increased a little, with more localizations coming)