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Offline Moody

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Fallout 4 is A Thing
« on: June 07, 2015, 06:35:50 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE2BkLqMef4




It's been a long time coming, but it's been announced, finally!


Things confirmed so far:


-the entire trailer is rendered with in-game assets, and most of the footage is in-engine
-game will be in Boston, Massachusetts, as has been speculated for several years
-game will not be coming to PS3 or 360, only XBONE, PS4, and PC


Things supposed by "leaks":
-the main character will be voiced entirely and take the place of the narrator, this according to a fairly bad looking leak from Kotaku of all places (honestly the fact it's Kotaku is enough for me to dismiss it but lots of people still cling to it)
-there will be a 20-30 minute demo of the game behind closed doors at E3 (which sounds ridiculous considering how much they're emphasizing the fact the game is gonna be at E3, and showing the game so far along before E3 even arrives)


Frankly I think it'd be ridiculous for the main character to be voiced, because it would essentially kill any mod that requires dialogue from the player (companions, quests, some others), but what with the character speaking at the end of the trailer, it's unknown. Then again, that could just be a fun trailer thing and not a "this is going to be a thing" thing.


The game will be shown off at Bethesda's E3 conference this June 14th.

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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2015, 08:09:18 pm »
Yeah I'm against the main character being voiced as well, also the graphics for this game aren't that 'next gen', especially when you consider how much smaller of a development team something like Witcher 3 had compared to Bethesda games. Its also crazy to believe that CD Projeckt Red only spent 15 million making that game... considering 200 million for GTAV.

Anyway I'm open to see more of Fallout 4, but so far color me unexcited till I see more.

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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2015, 08:18:45 am »
Never got into the Fallout series..
The old ones were too complicated for my peanut brain, and F3 was just...boring
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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2015, 08:44:01 am »
Never got into the Fallout series..
The old ones were too complicated for my peanut brain, and F3 was just...boring
You could try New Vegas. Or go back and play FO1 & FO2 again. Those games are so fucking good, it's worth a second shot. Maybe look up a basic beginner's guide to character creation if you struggled, it is possible to pave yourself into a corner by making a shitty character in those games.


As for FO4, i'm not really excited. Bethesda :/
It's interesting that it looks quite colourful though, and some high tech with nice looking cities. I like the idea of a post post apocalyptic society where people are getting back on their feet instead of just 'shit's fucked, everywhere'.

Offline Moody

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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2015, 08:57:04 am »
I had a lot of trouble getting into the original games, but it's just something you gotta sit and figure out. Or read the manual, which came with my GOG editions, but who has time to read those? Took me around four separate tries to finally figure out what I was doing and start playing, but it's been pretty worth it.

I'm most excited for a return to a true open world like the older games and Fallout 3. New Vegas' world was big and empty and had a ton of walking through nothing interesting, and that was the biggest letdown. All in all, I personally prefer 3 over New Vegas because it had everything I want in an open world game (lots of stuff to do, interesting side characters, a fun (if poorly written) story, and plenty of places to discover), and New Vegas just doesn't deliver the same experience.

I'd be all for Obsidian writers coming on for the main quest, just please keep them from writing characters in side quests. With the exception of companions and everyone involved in the Repconn Ghoul quest, none of the side characters in New Vegas were the least bit interesting or memorable.

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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2015, 09:08:28 am »
Whaaaat!? Moody, I think you're the first person to have that opinion, generally people consider New Vegas' story, factions and side characters to be far stronger than 3's.

I can't even remember half the characters or stories in 3, but distinctly remember many from New Vegas. In terms of the world and exploration, I feel like Fallout 3 was more densely packed, but I also thought New Vegas' felt more authentic and fun to explore. It made more sense and each location was more interesting than FO3 where it felt kind of slap-dash a lot of the time (endless metro tunnels, abandoned buildings etc).

Either way, yeah the original games are tough. There's no real tutorial and reading the manual is one of those old game things that people forget about since nothing comes with manuals anymore. Either that or googling for tips and tricks. It took me a while to figure out how to switch weapons without accessing inventory, going for aimed shots or using skills on objects. It's not something that's explained in game at all.

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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2015, 09:09:59 am »
Trailer looks quite amazing bar some iffy models for the characters . scale and scope is way beyond what the 360 or PS3 could do
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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2015, 09:31:20 am »
I can't even remember half the characters or stories in 3, but distinctly remember many from New Vegas. In terms of the world and exploration, I feel like Fallout 3 was more densely packed, but I also thought New Vegas' felt more authentic and fun to explore. It made more sense and each location was more interesting than FO3 where it felt kind of slap-dash a lot of the time (endless metro tunnels, abandoned buildings etc).

I feel like Bethesda gave themselves a template and tried to do as much as they could with the template, and I think it paid off with their writing and level designs. You really don't know what you're getting into walking into a dungeon in Fallout 3. Could it be infested with ants? More ghouls? Maybe an underground Super Mutant stronghold? Groups of Raiders? Maybe some people hiding out? Bethesda gets a lot of shit for bad writing, but really that's only ever in the main quests. Their side quests, I find, are usually a lot of fun and well written, at the very least they're entertaining.


New Vegas tried to do a lot of different things without a template, and either failed to provide anything interesting, or ran out of time to finish it.

In New Vegas, the side quests I just felt were uninteresting, bland, and had boring characters. If they weren't making you trek across the desert (damn you Boomers), they were making you wander around and do a lot of, well, nothing. The main quest was a friggin' slog in New Vegas. I will praise the writing and acting up and down, but it was just so BORING. No matter what path you take, you get the platinum chip, activate the securitrons (though I think NCR skips that part), and then do a series of side quests you'd probably do anyway, and did I mention I find the side quests boring? After that, you get one interesting mission with the President of NCR, then go flip a switch, go to Hoover Dam, and the game is over.

In Fallout 3, you explored a derelict Vault, entered a simulation run by a 200 year old madman, rescued children from slavers, followed a giant robot around, repaired a radio station, escaped the enemy base (and optionally blew up the President of the United States), and then it actually continued, provided you have DLC(which you'd honestly be stupid not to at least get that one nowadays. I'd forgive you if you skipped the rest). Even if the writing fell apart, it was loads of fun and had a ton of variety. I do not count "go do some side quests" as variety, that's just lazy.


It might help I played 3 first, but I honestly expected New Vegas to blow me away and become my new favorite, I was totally open to that. But it didn't, and I genuinely hope we get some traditional Bethesda flair in this new game.

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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2015, 10:07:03 am »
I'll have to admit, thinking of it now, it could also be that FO3 was played a lot longer ago than NV for me, meaning that might be why I didn't remember it as clearly. Even so, I don't recall anyone being as memorable in that game as characters like Caesar, Veronica, Cassie, House in New Vegas for example.

I feel like New Vegas had a lot of cool things to stumble upon as well, little villages and the like to find. Brotherhood of Steel hideouts, factories, etc. There probably wasn't as much in terms of surprise things like ants or super mutants, I'll concede, but I felt like each area had more weight in that they were being divided up between the Legion and NCR, or just felt more like they had a reason to exist?

I'm not quite sure what you mean by the template though, talking side quests or the whole game?

I have to disagree with the side-quests; I thought they were very well done in New Vegas. Even stuff like the assassination/bounty hunting missions against raiders (I still remember Driver Nephi) and your companion's side quests like Cassie and Veronica. Not to mention investigating cannibals in New Vegas, finding death claw sanctuaries, the Great Khan's camps etc.

I really liked New Vegas' quests and mostly their factions I guess. In FO3 it was pretty clear cut Goodies vs Baddies, but in New Vegas it was more blurred. Legion was fascist but Ceasar seemed to be a compassionate despot, he wasn't killing because he was evil, but trying to retain control. You find people around the world who sympathise with him and feel that they are safer under the legion than the NCR. NCR was democratic but could also be ineffective or 'soft'. House wanted a police state but it would have provided safety, if only for a small amount of people. He had shown results in keeping Vegas relatively safe and civilised during the war.

I just felt that I had more fun and enjoyed the world more with New Vegas.

Now don't get me wrong! I loved FO3 when it came out too, it was my first FO game, just now having played all the others (save for Tactics), it's my least favourite of the bunch.

Liberty Prime was great though, throwing nukes like footballs!? Brilliant!

Offline Moody

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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2015, 10:23:20 am »
I liked New Vegas' story a lot. All of the main characters were pretty well fleshed out and you had reasons for liking and caring about them. It's just the story was a slog to play, and lacked variety. The world is a bit more connected, but it has a different feel. In 3, travelling to another town was an adventure in and of itself, with lots of ways to get there. Do I go around this place, do I stop here on my way, do I go stealth or murder everything along the way. It felt like you were making a trek in 3's world.

In New Vegas, it's more like walking down the road to your friend's house, travelling to another town. It's the same road you've been on multiple times, and you've gone every which way that won't get you lost, and if there's anything in your way, it's probably minor. All the towns are relatively close to each other and have similar scenery. In 3, there's three major towns in the game, the Tenpenny Tower, Megaton, and Rivet City. You might find an odd settlement here and there, like Canterbury Commons, Big Town, even Paradise Falls, and these ALL have distance between them, and they all have relatively different locales. Rivet City sits on the edge of DC, Tenpenny Tower is surrounded by plains, and Megaton is in a particularly hilly area. You've got a good walk ahead of you, but for what it's worth, it's a walk you can take in many different ways, and experience something different each time.

I guess I prefer having a dangerous world where I know I might not survive the journey from one place to another, and that experience just doesn't exist in New Vegas, not for me at least.

Oh yeah, random encounters. Bethesda please for the love of god bring back random encounters. And don't half-ass them like Skyrim's, where there's only like five in the entire game.
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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2015, 10:31:04 am »
I guess I prefer having a dangerous world where I know I might not survive the journey from one place to another, and that experience just doesn't exist in New Vegas, not for me at least.

But, but, but- Deathclaws!? And CAZADORES!?

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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2015, 10:32:57 am »
^In places you can easily avoid once you know where they are, since they spawn only in certain areas. They spawn in really out of the way places, off the main road, and that's part of the reason you can't really explore too much until you're a high level.
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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2015, 03:43:49 pm »
^In places you can easily avoid once you know where they are, since they spawn only in certain areas. They spawn in really out of the way places, off the main road, and that's part of the reason you can't really explore too much until you're a high level.

That's a fair point, although random encounters can be good and bad. So long as I have a chance to escape when deathclaws appear out of nowhere to murder me!

All this talk makes me want to play some Fallout again.

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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2015, 04:32:34 pm »
This video IMO does the best job so far of expressing why people liked New Vegas a lot more than 3

https://youtu.be/wvwlt4FqmS0?t=8m39s

I've cut to the relevant parts(just skip to 8:39 if it doesn't work), but one should really watch the whole video. His Choice and consequence video is also really well done.

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Re: Fallout 4 is A Thing
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2015, 05:14:21 am »
I should try New Vegas.. Didn't play it at the time because I thought it was an expansion pack or something.
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