Author Topic: Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 1  (Read 522298 times)

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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1695 on: October 25, 2010, 02:03:04 pm »
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Though if he hasn't played the demo yet (if he has, ignore what all that follows) I'd have to call Mademan out. Not for close-mindedness, but for putting off even the demo. He has had stated some opinions on the game, but from what I have read, he has yet to even play it.

Playyyyyyyy! PLAYYYYYYYYY!!!!  :twisted:

I haven't played the demo yet, since I don't think I would like it enough to buy it, my HDD is full (Especially after Comic Jumper) and even if I DID buy it, I'd want to play Fallout NV and Vanqish first anyway.

I try to keep my comments limited to things I disagree with in concept, like the homing attack or the bizarre physics where you instantly stop if you don't hold the direction.

I'll probably give it a shot eventually, but at the moment it's pretty low on my radar compared to other games coming out (even KOF2k2UM is finally coming out, which will eat up a lot of my gaming time).
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1696 on: October 25, 2010, 02:06:37 pm »
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I try to keep my comments limited to things I disagree with in concept, like the homing attack or the bizarre physics where you instantly stop if you don't hold the direction.
There is a long way between concept and product. It doesn't hurt you to dl a demo and play for 5 minutes :P
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1697 on: October 25, 2010, 02:16:37 pm »
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I try to keep my comments limited to things I disagree with in concept, like the homing attack or the bizarre physics where you instantly stop if you don't hold the direction.
There is a long way between concept and product. It doesn't hurt you to dl a demo and play for 5 minutes :P

I know it won't 'hurt' but I don't particularly want to download over a GB of demo to my already full HDD to play something I'm not particularly interested in. Especially when I would probably just put it on the back-burner until after I've finished Vanquish and New Vegas anyway.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1698 on: October 25, 2010, 02:26:59 pm »
So someone is not allowed to have any kind of opinion on a game they know a lot about, but never played? Even if it is a completely neutral view? Cool.

Anyways, my important question was never answered! Can anyone make certain that the planet behind the characters at the end of the game is Unleashed's version of Earth?
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1699 on: October 25, 2010, 02:44:54 pm »
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So someone is not allowed to have any kind of opinion on a game they know a lot about, but never played? Even if it is a completely neutral view? Cool.

They can have one, as they'd have to be a robot to NOT have some form of opinion. I was just asking if Mademan has played the demo yet, and if he hasn't yet I wanted to know why.

Btw, game is 173.4 MB download
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1700 on: October 25, 2010, 03:20:40 pm »
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Anyways, my important question was never answered! Can anyone make certain that the planet behind the characters at the end of the game is Unleashed's version of Earth?
I cant MAKE CERTAIN but it looks like it I think.. Why is this important?
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1701 on: October 25, 2010, 03:36:29 pm »
Not sure if it matches up, but at least it isn't an Earth world map as we know it. I still remember when I spotted a flat Earth map on a wall in one of the Riders games. An actual real world map, with the USA and all, in a Sonic game. Ugh.

Here's the texture as ripped by the folks at TSSMB:
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1702 on: October 25, 2010, 04:21:41 pm »
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Anyways, my important question was never answered! Can anyone make certain that the planet behind the characters at the end of the game is Unleashed's version of Earth?
I cant MAKE CERTAIN but it looks like it I think.. Why is this important?

Because Sonic Unleashed was a reboot of the franchise and I was wondering if they were going to remake it all over again for the next major release. The world design is a good hint as to whether or not they will do this because they spent a lot of time setting it so the way people and places were arranged made sense, they would probably make a new one if they scrapped this. The world in that game certainly was not my favorite by any means, but I am sick of the only thing about the series being consistent anymore is that they usually are not great but have similar menu art.

I cannot tell for sure by the image Barry posted, but it does look a bit different... I do not remember that many lakes.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1703 on: October 25, 2010, 04:27:03 pm »
Look at that mess of a huge continent. What a shitty game.
/trollface

"I am sick of the only thing about the series being consistent anymore is that they usually suck but have similar menu art."
I never gave much attention to Sonic's geography.. Like the "story" I don't think it ever had any cohesion whatsoever. Remember when Sonic helped the President of the United States? Yeah that was weird lol
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1704 on: October 25, 2010, 04:39:20 pm »
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I never gave much attention to Sonic's geography.. Like the "story" I don't think it ever had any cohesion whatsoever. Remember when Sonic helped the President of the United States? Yeah that was weird lol

Well, that was a problem. Almost every Sonic game released around that time had major identity crisis issues, which is why they seemed to have wanted to fix it in Sonic Unleashed, not just the gameplay, but the overall style. I am pretty sure they only mentioned the President as just a president, and not of a specific or real nation too.

Extremely unlikely, but I kind of am hoping they find some way to get every main game to work together somehow, like be able to mention how Sonic met Tails or Knuckles again or something. I am kind of doubting this and am pretty sure they think what they are doing now is better than the series ever has been, which is why basic stuff like the floating island and Sonic having his own plane have been lost with the past few years.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1705 on: October 25, 2010, 05:30:07 pm »
In the games he was president of the United Federation. In the anime it was explicitly of the United States lol

But take a look at Colors for example. Where does that space crap fit in? Have you seen how many shit Robotnik has put up in the sky? He blew off the moon, he made several robotic moons, has tons of lasers and crap. At one point he threw a giant lizard into space as well.

And what is Mobius? How did Sonic come to Earth on the Adventure series? What about Angel Island? How come it was both in Mobius and Earth?

Where the fuck is Soleanna located?

My point is I think it's a bit late to try and make something cohesive out of geographic locations (and plot). But that doesn't really matter much I think.. I like the idea of having different timelines in different places with different stories.

And I don't think Sonic 4 should be on the same place as Unleashed. Sonic 4 is a continuation of 3, so it's all in Mobius (or whatever it is called). In fact, the final boss is in Sonic 2's space station.
So from where did all the humans in Unleashed come from? Does that mean that those dark earth spirits might return in Sonic 5 if the planet is shattered?

This is confusing!
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1706 on: October 25, 2010, 06:50:20 pm »
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In the games he was president of the United Federation. In the anime it was explicitly of the United States lol

United Federation is not a real thing. For Sonic X, pretty sure 4Kids changed a lot of the script. Does not matter anyways, Sonic X is not recognized in any of the games outside of advertisements.

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But take a look at Colors for example. Where does that space crap fit in? Have you seen how many shit Robotnik has put up in the sky? He blew off the moon, he made several robotic moons, has tons of lasers and crap. At one point he threw a giant lizard into space as well.

Sonic Colors is a spinoff and part of a different canon of the franchise. Sonic Adventure 2 is part of the main series.

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And what is Mobius? How did Sonic come to Earth on the Adventure series? What about Angel Island? How come it was both in Mobius and Earth?

Mobius was the name of the planet in the Sonic games by French and American versions of Sonic things, such as the animated shows, comics and even English language manuals in some cases. Sonic Team had always designed the series as if it took place on Earth, but they did not explain this to other branches of SEGA well.

Angel Island is the Floating Island which is powered by the Master Emerald. It's powers come from the mystical powers the Echidna tribes had, which Knuckles now protects. Only the Archie comics ever had any of this mentioned on a Mobius and that should be completely ignored anyways.

I am not sure of this, but I heard that the Archie comics explain that Mobius was originally Earth, but they renamed it for no reason. I guess this is all the evidence you need to know to avoid these comics.

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Where the fuck is Soleanna located?

Never really explained. However, there was barely any good planning that took place in that game, so only you and Cube care.

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My point is I think it's a bit late to try and make something cohesive out of geographic locations (and plot). But that doesn't really matter much I think.. I like the idea of having different timelines in different places with different stories.

A bit late? I already pointed out Sonic Unleashed is seen as a reboot of the franchise to SEGA and Sonic Team. They are going to continue this style, as proven by Sonic Colors' mechanics, so how is any of this late?

Obviously it does not matter at the end of the day, but especially for such a massive series that is now mostly designed with young children in mind, they should have basic fundamentals like where some characters live and how they know eachother. Sonic Adventure and even Sonic Battle on the Game Boy Advance did it alright, so they ARE capable of this stuff. When they keep changing everything it can get very confusing for us, think of how hard the children have to strain to understand this. WON'T ANYONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!?!

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And I don't think Sonic 4 should be on the same place as Unleashed. Sonic 4 is a continuation of 3, so it's all in Mobius (or whatever it is called). In fact, the final boss is in Sonic 2's space station.
So from where did all the humans in Unleashed come from? Does that mean that those dark earth spirits might return in Sonic 5 if the planet is shattered?

No, Sonic the Hedgehog 1, 2, 3 and 4 all take place on Earth. This eventually leads into the Adventure series and presumably Unleashed and whatever else goes next. The humans are not in the levels in the classic games, but they do exist, which is why all of those buildings are everywhere, unless you expect the little animals live in all of those? Sonic was also originally going to have a human girlfriend in the first game that he had to save from Robotnik, but the concept was scrapped. The concept around this was reused for Elise in Sonic 06 though.

Games like Sonic Colors, Sonic Rush, Sonic 3D Blast and Sonic Spinball are all considered part of the spinoff series that have no humans outside of Robotnik. The way these games progress does not effect the main series in any way outside of design concepts.

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This is confusing!

Glad I cleared it all up then!
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1707 on: October 25, 2010, 07:17:04 pm »
Well that was a nice explanation :)

But isn't Colors supposed to be part of the main series? What makes you say it isn't?
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1708 on: October 25, 2010, 10:08:41 pm »
Sanus re-writes history.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1709 on: October 25, 2010, 10:30:27 pm »
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But isn't Colors supposed to be part of the main series? What makes you say it isn't?

No, even Iizuka said it is not. SEGA might market it like a main game, but that is only to get people to buy it. A good example is if Sonic the Hedgehog 4 was not named that, it would not sell as good. Still would sell good because of the brand name though.

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Sanus re-writes history.

All history is an interpretation, therefore all previous history itself was rewritten.  :oops:
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