Sonic Generations Discussion

[TimmiT]

Hey guys, watch this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/ ... Aesthetics
There, the graphics discussion is pointless now.
In my opinion, the aesthetics of Sonic Generations are great for a Sonic game and the aesthetics of Mario Galaxy are great for a Mario game.

[Sharky]

What am I saying?  I'm saying SMG looks great, don't knock it with a ridiculous statement like

then again no Mario game will look as good as Sonic Generations HD any time soon, so what ever.

This kind of line really makes us Sonic fans come off as sad seeing as how our games are no where near close to trumping Mario in terms of gameplay OR visuals.  Deal with it.

I wouldn't call myself a Sonic fan, I enjoy good Sonic games and I enjoy good Mario games.

But the fact of the matter is Sonic Generations DOES look better than Mario Galaxy graphically... It's one of the few things the Sonic games have been trumping the Mario games on since Sonic Unleashed.

What I'm saying is that Mario games simply aren't cutting edge graphically, Nintendo can push their own hardware to the max? Awesome, well done Nintendo. Still that’s irrelevant, their hardware even pushed to the max isn't going to look like a HD console because it isn't and so nothing Nintendo have developed since 2006 or so have been at the cutting edge graphically.

So before you point the accusing finger at Sega...

Generations certainly has the technical specs, and does look great, but its silly to say Nintendo is left in the dust visually when they've put out an almost equally amazing looking product not so long ago.

"who needs great gameplay?! We've got HIGH DEFINITION GRAPHICS and the HEDGEHOG LIGHTING ENGINE!"

But nobody said anything like this... You were harping on about how Sega used to be at the cutting edge of graphics because of one game that happens to have started development on the DS years ago, (of which there is a HD version that looks amazing no less) and I'm saying they still are at the cutting edge of graphics if you look at the right games...

I would trade both of them in for a great game in a heart beat, which is why I love sonic colors.

So would I and so do I.

[ezodagrom]

I think you've spent to long with the terribly whiney people on the GHZ and PSOWorld forums where everyones grumps around and circle jerking over any fault they can find, (or make up) when it comes to Sega. Lighten up!

Off-topic:
I wonder why everyone has to take jabs at PSO-World forums, I've been an user there for nearly 4 years and I just don't get why everyone has to make a fuss about the forums. I think I've seen more/worse complainers in the SEGA forums than in PSOW... ._.

[Sharky]

I think you've spent to long with the terribly whiney people on the GHZ and PSOWorld forums where everyones grumps around and circle jerking over any fault they can find, (or make up) when it comes to Sega. Lighten up!

Off-topic:
I wonder why everyone has to take jabs at PSO-World forums, I've been an user there for nearly 4 years and I just don't get why everyone has to make a fuss about the forums. I think I've seen more/worse complainers in the SEGA forums than in PSOW... ._.

I regularly go to PSO World to read up on PS news but the members there have taken a leaf out of the Sonic fanbase, they just moan about everything and are never thankful for what they do get.

In fact in that respect they are JUST like Sonic fans.

That 'SegaC' nonsense I keep reading doesnt help.

[Sega Uranus]

Mario on Cafe will probably be revealed soon, so it could look better.

Sonic games lately are far too fast, but because of this the screenshots almost always look pretty weak in comparison to other big titles, but in motion they look fine. The same is true with other really fast games like AfterBurner Climax. Try looking at screenshots of a city level, it is embarrassing.

Shinobi also looks better in motion, but to be honest, that is a third party developer working on that. As long as the game is faithful to the series I am not really all that worried.

Anyways, just wish SEGA would show off Speed Highway in Classic form already. We all know it is happening, now just give it to us!

[Trippled]

Mario on Cafe will probably be revealed soon, so it could look better.

Sonic games lately are far too fast, but because of this the screenshots almost always look pretty weak in comparison to other big titles, but in motion they look fine. The same is true with other really fast games like AfterBurner Climax. Try looking at screenshots of a city level, it is embarrassing.

I dunno Unleashed doesn't look worse to me when standing still.

[Radrappy]

What I'm saying is that Mario games simply aren't cutting edge graphically, Nintendo can push their own hardware to the max? Awesome, well done Nintendo. Still that’s irrelevant, their hardware even pushed to the max isn't going to look like a HD console because it isn't and so nothing Nintendo have developed since 2006 or so have been at the cutting edge graphically.

Ok let's do this thing.  No, a Mario game isn't going to be HD until nintendo releases an HD console.  This much is true.  However, SMG is still leaps and bounds above most HD games available due to its aesthetics alone.  Sonic unleashed is impressive in just how large some of its levels are (spagonia blah blah) but the art is still bland and lifeless compared to the vibrancy and cohesiveness of SMG(and before you get on my case about this being an opinion, discussions on aesthetics are always subjective. So please, spare me.)  Besides, unleashed was all over the map, visually.  Some stages looked great while others looked terrible(holoska, most werehog levels) while OTHERS suffered from performance issues (adabat, eggmanland, empire city).  What good is your magnificent poly-count and global illumination if you can't even run the levels properly?  So no, I would not say Sonic has been graphically/aesthetically above Mario as of late.  And for the record, my initial point was that against Generations, SMG holds its own and is not to be regarded as inferior just because it's an SD game.

You were harping on about how Sega used to be at the cutting edge of graphics because of one game that happens to have started development on the DS years ago, (of which there is a HD version that looks amazing no less) and I'm saying they still are at the cutting edge of graphics if you look at the right games...

I said sega used to stand for excellence.  And by that I was referring to graphics AND aesthetics.  I wouldn't care if the games in question were throw a way titles like mario/sonic Olympics.  Nintendo is guilty of their fair share of crappy spin offs.  The games in question however, are main series entries of two beloved franchises.  Both look like cash ins.  It's this kind of output that is severely damaging to Sega's reputation.        

(the members) are never thankful for what they do get.

Paying customers have no obligation to be thankful if they aren't satisfied with the product.  PSU has singlehandedly decimated what userbase PSO had and shows no signs of recovering without significant changes to the quality and direction of the franchise.  A good amount of the people who still post at PSOW are the few fans PSU retains or managed to aquire, which makes for some heated clashes as PSO vets start trickling back in light of PSO2's recent announcement.

[CosmicCastaway]

Anyways, just wish SEGA would show off Speed Highway in Classic form already. We all know it is happening, now just give it to us!

I would love to see Windy Valley in Classic Mode. =)

[Sega Uranus]

Almost any level from the Adventure games would be so awesome in this game, even the Pyramid levels... Damn, now I WANT a pyramid level!

But I think it is most likely going to have the most iconic zones from each game, or at least I strongly assume it will. City Escape, Chemical Plant, even Crisis City all seem very likely to me. The only thing that worries me is that those are all city levels...

It still bugs me that we are going to see Unleashed levels in the game most likely. I can just turn on Unleashed and play largely the same game... Boring. Even the also very likely Sonic the Hedgehog 4 levels would not bug me as much as that. Honest.

[Trippled]

What makes you think that Sonic 4 Levels will be in there,  they are already recreated zones from Sonic 1 and 2.

[ezodagrom]

I think you've spent to long with the terribly whiney people on the GHZ and PSOWorld forums where everyones grumps around and circle jerking over any fault they can find, (or make up) when it comes to Sega. Lighten up!

Off-topic:
I wonder why everyone has to take jabs at PSO-World forums, I've been an user there for nearly 4 years and I just don't get why everyone has to make a fuss about the forums. I think I've seen more/worse complainers in the SEGA forums than in PSOW... ._.

I regularly go to PSO World to read up on PS news but the members there have taken a leaf out of the Sonic fanbase, they just moan about everything and are never thankful for what they do get.

In fact in that respect they are JUST like Sonic fans.

That 'SegaC' nonsense I keep reading doesnt help.

After years of lousy support on PSU while paying $10 per month, can you blame them for complaining?
In the early months of PSU, the PC/PS2 servers were overrun by hackers, at first SEGA did nothing about them.
When SEGA finally decided to do something about the hackers, it was already too late, the economy of the game was ruined and the population became too low...
Another thing is updates, PSU was released in the west 2 months after the JP servers, and during the 1st year there were updates at a similar rate as the JP servers, but after that 1st year, everything went downhill.  The PC/PS2 servers were already 1 year behind the JP servers in updates by the time of the shutdown, and now, the XBox 360 servers are already over 1 year and half behind.

Basically, western PSU players pay the same monthly fees as the JP players for much, much worse support, what should they be thankful for?

Still, even after this, many users there are still hopeful that SEGA won't screw up the western support for PSO2, even though that hope is faint.
/endrant

On topic:
I guess there's nothing much for me to say about Generations other than...I can't wait to know more about the zones that will be in the console (and hopefully PC) version. ;D

[Sharky]

[words, words, words... And for the record, my initial point was that against Generations, SMG holds its own and is not to be regarded as inferior just because it's an SD game.

No but it is stil inferior in the graphics department, which is what you were making a fuss about with Sonic on the 3DS.

Sonic G on HD consoles has the same asthetic as the classic games, in fact Green hill zone does to a T... No problems there.

You were harping on about how Sega used to be at the cutting edge of graphics because of one game that happens to have started development on the DS years ago, (of which there is a HD version that looks amazing no less) and I'm saying they still are at the cutting edge of graphics if you look at the right games...

I said sega used to stand for excellence.  And by that I was referring to graphics AND aesthetics.  I wouldn't care if the games in question were throw a way titles like mario/sonic Olympics.  Nintendo is guilty of their fair share of crappy spin offs.  The games in question however, are main series entries of two beloved franchises.  Both look like cash ins.  It's this kind of output that is severely damaging to Sega's reputation.        

Paying customers have no obligation to be thankful if they aren't satisfied with the product.  PSU has singlehandedly decimated what userbase PSO had and shows no signs of recovering without significant changes to the quality and direction of the franchise.  A good amount of the people who still post at PSOW are the few fans PSU retains or managed to aquire, which makes for some heated clashes as PSO vets start trickling back in light of PSO2's recent announcement.

If you don't like something don't play $15 a month for it. (Or what ever the price is.)

Yes PSU sucked, but it has been years since it released... The Phantasy Star series is pretty much back on track from what Ive seen I'm looking forward to it.

I think we both know that instead of focusing on all the good things coming in PSO2 everyones going to be complaining about all of the things they didn't get exactly right... 'OMG PC EXCLUSIVE SUCKS' 'WHAT NO MAGS?' 'SEGA SUCKS!!'

The forum is just overrun with horrible whiney people.

[Trippled]

but the art is still bland and lifeless compared to the vibrancy and cohesiveness of SMG,holoska

I'll just say that calling Unleashed's Art "bland and lifeless", is like calling a Holiday Postcard just that.

And how does Holoska have poor graphics? That's like saying Ice Cap has poor graphics, or any other Ice stage for that matter.

[Pao]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuv7OjQtYcM

City Escape Trailer

It looks amazing, but what stood out most for me was the fact that the Skate was actually a power up you get from the monitors in C.Sonic! This hints that there will be some level-based gimmicks throughout the game!

[Suzuki Yu]

simply incredible!