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Offline Suzuki Yu

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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2011, 08:21:01 am »
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Also, where the fuck is an updated Virtua Fighter 5 port?

not just VF5FS, where the hell is Border Break SEGA???
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what bugs me is that this game has a potential to be a successful franchise! there is a chance for a great Multi-player Online shooter like this to be something in today's gaming business even if it has Mechas! as long as it plays that great.
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Offline STORM!

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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2011, 10:58:11 am »
Sega can not take risks anymore at the Consumer Division because Satomi Hajime, the owner of the company get pissed off with them releasing a lot of games but not making return. His intentions were to really close this division of Sega and focus only in the AM division 2 years ago; and the CS division still in danger. They simply CAN NOT lose money anymore.

 That's why Satomi called Okitane back. The new president is a good and clever guy, and yes, he is rejecting every single project from everyone at Sega which does not have guarantees to sell good.

 Nagoshi still selling good with Monkey Ball and Yakuza, but even him always says every single year on interviews that if the game does not sells this time, he is lost at Sega.

 Binary Domain its probably the game that could ends Nagoshi's career at Sega.
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Offline George

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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2011, 01:07:50 pm »
Binary Domain will be a bust, then he will make Yakuza 5 and everything in life will be OK again.
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Offline MadeManG74

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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2011, 05:16:14 pm »
Yeah, Sega is far from perfect these days, but they still make a lot of really awesome stuff. I don't give a fuck if it's internally developed or not, a good game is a good game. I actually play games for *gasp* enjoyment, not as a badge of pride because I'm supporting Sega.

I get pissed with Sega more than anyone for things like their handling of Sonic 4 (or sonic in general), but overall they've still made a number of my favourite games this generation and still are probably my favourite Publisher today.

As George said though, Binary Domain is going to be a tremendous flop, rivalled only by Anarchy Reigns in terms of Flop-ness.

Virtua Fighter 5:FS will probably be coming still, I still think it's happening. I also think they don't want to shoot themselves in the foot and try to compete with Marvel 3 and Super Street Arcade though. Not to mention Tekken x SF and the others. They need to pick their spot so they have some chance of sales.
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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2011, 10:02:47 pm »
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Yeah, Sega is far from perfect these days, but they still make a lot of really awesome stuff. I don't give a fuck if it's internally developed or not, a good game is a good game. I actually play games for *gasp* enjoyment, not as a badge of pride because I'm supporting Sega.

I get pissed with Sega more than anyone for things like their handling of Sonic 4 (or sonic in general), but overall they've still made a number of my favourite games this generation and still are probably my favourite Publisher today.

As George said though, Binary Domain is going to be a tremendous flop, rivalled only by Anarchy Reigns in terms of Flop-ness.

Virtua Fighter 5:FS will probably be coming still, I still think it's happening. I also think they don't want to shoot themselves in the foot and try to compete with Marvel 3 and Super Street Arcade though. Not to mention Tekken x SF and the others. They need to pick their spot so they have some chance of sales.

I don't really care if it is internally developed either, but recognizing Platinum as a separate entity is important I feel because eventually they will leave SEGA, and then we will be back where we were without their stellar content.

I think Binary Domain will flop too, unfortunately, because I am actually somewhat interested in it. With Anarchy Reigns I think it won't sell much but I also think Platinum is really keeping dev costs down with it. At least I hope they are because it looks low budget.

Did somebody say flop?

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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2011, 06:46:53 am »
@ Taroyamada: I have to thank you, for your continued support and understanding towards how devastated I am after hearing this news.

It is SEGA shattering news to me and I am afraid it will be very hard to get over it given the current situation, it may be a deal breaker.

@ everyone else:
I can not question Nagoshi's legitimacy as a SEGA designer cause his entire career has been modeled by the SEGA I grew up with, but he's turned out as such a sleaz ball.

The way he dresses and the games he designs with breast ogling buttons and hot tub masturbation mini game, his games are marketed around sex and violence which is a part of life and all very enjoyable that is why it is a part of so many other games.

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Shenmue had a red light district, with hostesses and the Yakuza very much present and it showed them accurately with people warning you how wrong they are and then people telling you how cultured they are. It is also true Yakuza is so much deeper then how it is marketed and if you pick up and play it, while it has a lot of ridiculous crap in it the message deep down is heart warming and 100% true blue. I just wish they toned down the sleazy marketing, just look at the damn box art for Yakuza 4.

I stuck with my Dreamcast all the way till 2005 and bought my GameCube (followed by PS2 an year later) arguably during the worst era to be a SEGA fan around the time Shadow the Hedgehog came out needless to say it was my first game for the system. This was around the time SEGA had minimized almost all internal development and were publishing tons of crap.

I quickly went back and started buying the games I had missed out over the last 3 - 4 (2001 - 2005) years all made by the AM teams and they were fantastic just like all the games on the Dreamcast.

I researched to see why these SEGA games weren't good, it was due to the downsizing and staff departures that AM games weren't on the same quality.

Then we had games like Alien Syndrome, Golden Axe, VectorMan 3 solidified my belief that developers associated with the franchise can make the best game for it. I have love and respect for them and I am willing to give them another chance even if they fail cause they have given me great games in the past.

So one of the games I played on PS2 was the super fantastic Shinobi and it's slightly disappointing (only in terms of plot) sequel Nightshade, I really really love them. Then I bought the DMC trilogy for PS2, the first game is horribly dated and not fun. It appears at the time of it's release even it wasn't fun as it was more centered around it's brilliant graphics than fun gameplay.

Given that it came out the same year as Shinobi, it doesn't hold a candle to it. Especially since it is termed a hack and slash similar to the classic games of old (GAMESPOT). Then I checked out the sequel which was a critical failure where as Nightshade was a commercial failure, and a critical success a huge improvement over Shinobi.



DMC3 might be fantastic but it really doesn't matter cause Shinobi didn't get to make the 3rd game. Instead SEGA started publishing those Tenchu games which I didn't bother with a few years back SEGA deal with the Tenchu studio expired and it was time for Shinobi to return instead we got Bayonetta.

So I really needed Shinobi 3.


Noriyoshi Oba is my favorite developer and IT MATTERS A HELL OF A LOT TO ME that the developers involved with the franchise (company) make games in the genre (for the targeted demographic) cause if they don't we get Golden Axe: Beast Rider, and if they are involved and make a crappy game we get Altered Beast which I can live with.

CAPCOM went downhill just like SEGA just look at the new Resident Evil game and D.M.C, they look so uncapcom that is because their developers left and SEGA gave them a 2nd chance.

WHY DIDN'T THOSE ASSHOLES GIVE THEIR OWN A SECOND CHANCE!!!!

WHY THE FUCK DOES CLOVER GET A SECOND CHANCE WHEN WOW ENTERTAINMENT, SMILEBIT, UGA, OVERWORKS AND ALL THE OTHER GEMS FAID INTO OBSECURITY AND YOU ASSHOLES JUST ACCEPT IT!

STILL SUPPORTING SEGA, AND WORRYING ABOUT THEIR FINANCES AND BUYING GAMES JUST TO GIVE THEM MONEY, WHEN ALL IT DOES IS REINFORCE THEIR POLICY ON MAKING CRAP!

I WON'T BUY BAYONETTA CAUSE I DON'T WANT BAYONETTA, I WANT SHINOBI 3 and that makes me a true blue SEGA FAN where as you will buy anything with the SEGA LOGO on it.

While I expected Sharky to do the exact opposite of what I do, as in most cases we are polar opposite and he'll probably even be fine if Platinum Games makes Shenmue 3, I am really disappointed in a lot of people here, rationalizing such a loss as a usual rant, or downplaying the significance of Noriyoshi Oba as a whole.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

He was the head of OverWorks which makes him responsible for the classic Streets of Rage and Shinobi on MegaDrive, Clockwork Knight on Sega Saturn, Skies of Arcadia on Dreamcast, and Shinobi, Nightshade & BloodWillTell for PS2.

It doesn't matter what role he had.

Madeline Shrouder wasn't the creator of Sonic but without her the original would've been like Sonic 06 ending with Sonic making out with Madonna!

If She was still around many of the things you hate about the classic Adventure games or 06 wouldn't have happened. PEOPLE MATTER, IT IS PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE GAMES!!!

That said, their is still a little hope in me Obha might be gone but he was instrumental in creating Team Valkyria as many members in that studio worked under him and Rieko Kodama and since I finally have a PS3 now it is only a matter of time before I get my hands on that gem.

@ Sanus: Your little remark was probably the thing that single handedly hurt me the most. Imagine all the time you've ranted on about Ecco and I've always empathized with you.

Nice to see how you finally acted when I was in a similar position.
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Offline Aki-at

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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2011, 07:18:52 am »
We are all assholes, okay.

I suppose this is goodbye? Goodbye then!

Love, a rational minded individual.
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Offline Barry the Nomad

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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2011, 07:59:25 am »
Yeesh! Rage dump.

Edit: Oh yeah, cube, quit lashing out and calling people "assholes". It makes you look bad and it makes SEGAbits writers look bad.
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Offline STORM!

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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2011, 08:02:28 am »
cube, I think you are over-reacting and forgot completely that almost everyone here have complained about Sega's situation since ever.

 You are also bitching about something TOO MUCH OLD! Ohba has left Sega TOO MANY YEARS AGO!

 We were asking Sega about the old famous creators of the house all this time; all in vain. Sega is not and did not and will not hear us again, since almost those creators have left the company by theirs own decision.

 Sega don't have the money and structure to support the old teams anymore. They were almost of the time in debit, not making money for Sega since Sega started the Consumer Division. Pratically always in "red"...

 It's easier and cheaper making deals with third parties developers, like Platinum.

 However the internal teams are doing a great job, and finally, making some cash for Sega. Sega CS3 is doing wonderful on sales like they never did before.

 Even with this on mind, Sega still holding and trying to keep the "old" Sega alive, like creating a new job specially for Yu Suzuki, and I'm pretty sure they made it just to keep Yu in the company and wait for a better time to allow him do big things again.

 Also, the only one guy who has left Sega and still doing great things since then, is the creator of Galaxy Force II. He is a million seller now!

 Tidbits about SEGA CS3(series):

-Hatsune Miku: more than a half million sold
-Phantasy Star: already million seller and best seller of Sega
-Shining: Hearts sold 180k being the best seller of the series
-Bayonetta: million seller in its first entry
-Valkyria: a smash hit
-Vanquish: 800k copies around the world

 Next titles(rumored):

-Shining Force 4ever
 For PS3 using the Valkyria Chronicles system and based on Sakura Taisen system.

-Rise of Nightmares
 For Kinect.

 Yeah, I miss a lot of the old Sega too, but I cant stop loving Sega when they are still releasing so many good titles like the ones I've wrote up.
 


p.s.: we can't do nothing to make Ohba or Naka or Mizuguchi or... etc... coming back to Sega, sadly -_-
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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2011, 08:09:15 am »
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Edit: Oh yeah, cube, quit lashing out and calling people "assholes". It makes you look bad and it makes SEGAbits writers look bad.

Only if you stop buying those SEGA games Barry, YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM! Asshole.
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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2011, 08:17:28 am »
Take a look at Barry's signature pic; he only buys Sonic stuff and shitty XB avatar items... :|

 
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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2011, 08:17:53 am »
CUBE, Calm down and remember your place. You're making far to big of a deal about some guy that left the company ages ago and you're getting offensive about it...

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While I expected Sharky to do the exact opposite of what I do, as in most cases we are polar opposite and he'll probably even be fine if Platinum Games makes Shenmue 3, I am really disappointed in a lot of people here, rationalizing such a loss as a usual rant, or downplaying the significance of Noriyoshi Oba as a whole.
Great Success, I'm the polar opposite of Cube!

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-Shining Force 4ever
For PS3 using the Valkyria Chronicles system and based on Sakura Taisen system.
It'll never happen... But I'd be sick in excitment if it did.


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Yeah, I miss a lot of the old Sega too, but I cant stop loving Sega when they are still releasing so many good titles like the ones I've wrote up.

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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2011, 08:19:55 am »
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Take a look at Barry's signature pic; he only buys Sonic stuff and shitty XB avatar items... :|

 

If wearing Amigo's hat, Ryo's jacket and playing Sonic games makes me a terrible person, then I want to continue to be a terrible person.
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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2011, 08:21:43 am »
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Take a look at Barry's signature pic; he only buys Sonic stuff and shitty XB avatar items... :|

 

If wearing Amigo's hat, Ryo's jacket and playing Sonic games makes me a terrible person, then I want to continue to be a terrible person.

 I have Sonic T-Shirt, Sonic shoes and more for my PS Home avatar.

 Sorry, I'm cooler than you  :afroman:
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Re: What Toshihiro Nagoshi would've done before games
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2011, 08:27:12 am »
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Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
Quote from: "STORM!"
Take a look at Barry's signature pic; he only buys Sonic stuff and shitty XB avatar items... :|

 

If wearing Amigo's hat, Ryo's jacket and playing Sonic games makes me a terrible person, then I want to continue to be a terrible person.

 I have Sonic T-Shirt, Sonic shoes and more for my PS Home avatar.

 Sorry, I'm cooler than you  :afroman:

But I'll bet your PS Home avatar looks like a guy that appeared on "To Catch A Predator"

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