Urh, shits getting serious and I don't have the patience for this kind of long winded novel sized reply anymore.
A lot of that was in reply to TA, but I agree my post was too long, sorry about that.
I'm sure flaws hurt the enjoyment of the game, but all games have flaws. Sonic Adventure had tons of them even when it released... But the same people who are expecting Sonic Generations to be completely flawless are the people that enjoyed Sonic Adventure despite all of its problems and not to mention it was the game that pretty much introduced everything people have been complaining about for the past decade like 'Shitty friends' 'Locked into loops' 'non sonic game play' 'wonky physics' ... 'green eyes'... (A lot of these Sonic Generations has fixed)
I am sure no one expects a flawless game, but when games are specifically marketed as a certain kind of game - Especially one that holds a lot of nostalgic value for many people, things are expected.
Games like New Super Mario Brothers did not get this kind of attention because it was not a direct continuation of Super Mario World and the gameplay is not marketed as "Just like the classics!", it was just a new 2D Mario. Basically what SEGA is doing is falsely advertising stuff like Sonic 4 and Generations when they should just say it is similar, not the same. It is especially upsetting when comments come in a few months before the game ships that basically say nothing will be changed, it is almost as if Sonic Team does not beta test even.
And there can never be a perfect Sonic game because of how much Sonic Team has changed the style throughout the years. There are people who actually prefer everything you just said that they are 'fixing'. It is an endless cycle that Sonic Team dug themselves into. Do not blame the fans for complaining, blame Sonic Team for giving them so many reasons to do so.
As for my list of things people complain about, you are clearly taking this all too personally. I never said anyone on this forum was complaining about these things... I’m not talking about anyone on this forum at all! I'm talking about the complained I keep seeing cropping up in the Sonic fan base. I HAVE seen people complaining about things like the size of the badniks… and other nonsense like that.
I am not really effected by any of your previous comments, just am tired of seeing the same defenses over and over again.
And for the record, badniks that are larger than the bosses is an issue.
Finally, I'm not saying there is nothing wrong with Generations, I agree that the roll is off and the jump could be less heavy. But the fact is it's a million times better than a game that came out only a couple of years ago. They have improved vastly, but nobody is paying attention to that, instead there are people intentionally trying to break it and pick apart any little problem they can find. I saw a video of a guy trying to claim the game is broken after he spent about 3 mins trying to get Sonic to stand on the wall similar to Sonic 4 and he did, for a split second....
The fact that so many people are vocal is a good thing, that the passion for the franchise is still there. We now are aware that many of our comments do actually effect the games in some lights. Like, I honestly never expected Sonic Team to ever have him roll anymore, let alone bring back classic levels or music.
And as I said before, the people defending Sonic Team are just as bad. What you said just now is a wonderful example! The video you mentioned is not about the wall glitch at all, not only is the guy who made the video excited for the game, but the whole video was just made to show off a glitch with the badniks. He did not even notice that he was stuck to the wall when he posted the video.
I would say it takes a lot more effort and skill to make a perfect Sonic game than any other platformer out there, the levels already have to be much bigger, they have to think about sonics speed, trajectory, physics all sorts. It's lame when you see the efforts Sonic Team have put in to this to make the game better and better and nobody giving any credit where it is due.
Yeah, a good Sonic game is certainly harder to make than a Mario, or Kirby game based on what you said. I can agree to all of this, but it is to the point that some fans have been able to upstage some Sonic Team efforts, that is just really embarrassing... I cannot think of a single other game franchise that has this type of issue.
Sonic Team is certainly improving, but it is just so painfully obvious that they are exhausted of the series. You misinterpreted me before through IM when I said this, but I entirely believe that some other developer should take care of the Sonic series for two or three years, maybe more while Sonic Team goes off to do their own thing for awhile like a new IP. Even people like Iizuka talk about they have all of these great ideas about epic stories and stuff. Those can only make the fanbase grumpier right now, so a break could be a really great thing for them.
