Responding to those who mentioned me:
It mainly seems like Waffle is the one getting hyper, everybody else has been ok, I think.
Hyper? Standing outside a church and whacking ping pong balls at it seems a bit more advanced in hostility to me. I was just pointing out how I felt about a particular religion and how it feels about me. Since it existed before I did, I can safely say ‘they started it’.
America is not Saudi Arabia.....America is a country that prides itself on being a free country and a country tolerant of different religious faiths. Saudi Arabia does not.
America is not Saudi Arabia, and be thankful for that.
Cool that. Too bad I am not American. The post I responded to was not even an American example. If you want a mosque next door then go ahead and build it, I do not care. Just keep it in America and Saudi Arabia.
While you are at it, maybe remove all your AMERICA FREEDOM BASES from my country? Even Muslims would appreciate that, I bet!
Anyway, hopefully the recent mass murder of 90 people in Norway by a Christian seeking to rid the world of Islam will stop people like Waffle from feeling like religious extremism is isolated to one particular religion....but I doubt some people will ever change their views.
Actually he attacked the Norwegian Labour Party for being Marxist. It was a political attack, not a religious one. I am aware he was Christian and disliked Muslims, but it was not the core reason for his actions. Additionally I am not even a Christian, so it has nothing to do with me.
The quran is full of scientific knowledge even before non muslim scientists found out with evolved technoligy. There is a lot of stuff in the quran that astonished me personally. It convinced me to be more open minded about the other things which I found weird at first (still do about some things, but I really feel like I gotta know more) but a good friend always tries his best to eleborate but he himself isn't very knowledgable either.
While I have yet to read the Quran (and I intend to), I have a hard time believing this. Most of what I have studied in early/medieval Islamic scientific advances has been plagiarism. A lot of it is Persian, Greek, and Roman science that was taken from regions invaded (probably most notably the whole of Persia). To say Muslims figured this out is plain wrong, others did previously.
One Muslim claim I see a lot is that Muslims created the Renaissance in Europe, due to a significant source being Moorish Iberia (occupied by Muslims, mostly converted Berber peoples). People leave out the part where almost all of it, if I recall correctly, was from Greeks like Aristotle who died long before Islam ever existed. I give full credit to the Greeks, Romans, and pre-Islamic Middle Easterners.
Muslims also try hard to hide it, declaring it illegal and a death sentence to say Islam is hierarchical to anything prior. Imams actually accuse people of this to have them murdered, and then claim the murderer goes directly to heaven. What a cowardly way to cover things up. If you want an example of this, check out your magic space rock in Mecca. Pre-Islamic Arabs were worshipping that prior to Islam. It is not a gift from Allah. It is a stolen relic that actually has no spiritual meaning.
To get back to science here, another stolen concept that is easy to identify is 'Arabic numerals'. Muslims claim to be grand mathematicians here, yet it was the Hindus who created this. Muslim Arabs simply stole it and shoved their name on it.
In case anyone thinks this is an attack on Arabs, non-Islamic Arabs are just as much victims in these regards. The Pagan Arabs were all murdered, raped, and enslaved by Muslims, along with any Pagan anywhere else where Islam spread. Persia, as I mentioned, had entire cities massacred by invading Muslims. Apparently stealing all their ideas and knowledge was not enough, Persins had to be exterminated as well in their own homeland. Today barely anyone in Persia is an ancient Persia. The same goes for Egypt (Coptics are the Egyptians and they all live in ghettos, Arabic Muslims are colonialists).
Everything in Islam is based upon the work of others. Beyond science, even architecture is taken. The columns, arches, and domes of a Mosque are practically all Roman. Saudi Arabia even still uses Roman roads today. Without oil and propaganda, Muslims truly have nothing. They ruined what used to be the centre of human civilisation and what was previously known as ‘the fertile crescent’ – turning it into a massive, desolate desert today. The Tigris River was named after tigers, for instance, and it used to be lush and fertile in pre-Islamic times. Today it is filled with foreign Muslims and practically a deforested wasteland of infighting and environmental rot.
The original Babylonians, like Persians and many Greeks, have had everything stolen and destroyed, and they are now a minority in Babylonia. Many are expelled to other countries today (usually they are listed as Christian refugees, but these are the remains of the indigenous people driven out by Muslims). Assyrians are another close example of people robbed of their knowledge and scattered from their homes.
Maybe you can see why non-Islamic nations might have a problem with Muslims showing up? I could keep going on all day about how many people have been exterminated and displaced by Islam. I guess I should throw in the original people of Anatolia too who exterminated by Turks. It used to be Greek and Armenian, but not today. They are even still doing it in Cyprus where recently ancient Churches and Synagogues have been destroyed by Muslim invaders. The people living there cannot even visit half of their own island. Again another example of Islamic intolerance for others.
And perhaps you could explain to everyone the Islamic head tax placed on non-Muslims under Shari Law? I am sure they would be
delighted to know what it is.
. The hate towards islam is understandable. Waffle for instance makes good points about not being permitted to build churches in Saudia for instance. Same about not being permitted to visit the place if you are not muslim. But he completely ignores the fact that, apart from those places, churches are built around muslim countries almost everywhere else.
Untrue. Check my Cyprus example. In Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Turkey I can also easily think of examples of non-Muslims being attacked regularly. Shia Muslim in Iran constantly attack Zoroastrianists, with the government having recently bulldozed one of their grave yards that was still in use. In Saudi Arabia and surrounding countries – along with Pakistan – priests are generally murdered. And in Egypt the foreign Muslims continuously attack the Coptic Catholics, not allowing them religious freedom in their native land. Buddhism also used to be in Afghanistan, but they too were exterminated. Only a few decades ago a giant, ancient statue of Buddha in a mountain was destroyed in Afghanistan, destroying an irreplaceable relic and work of art, all because it was not Islamic. And inner-Muslim hatred is strong as well, as seen in Iraq between Sunnis and Shia, around Saudi Arabia, in Pakistan, and in Turkey (try being a Kurd there, or in Iraq). In Palestine the Muslims also abuse their own people if they are Christian. Arabs have their houses set on fire by other Islamic Arabs simply due to the fact that they are not Muslims.
Saudia Arabia is solely built in a way that you wouldn't even wanna be there if you're not muslim. It's not just a holy place for muslims. But theres literally nothing to be found other than religious stuff. I mean compare it to a friend group you wouldn't wanna hang out with in a major scale. It's no place of "tourism" allthough I would like to learn more about this as I do think it'd be nice for people being able to see how dedicated they are. But then again, the place is holy so I reckon that they want to keep it clean from things muslims consider as non islamic and sinful.
This is actually a good post. Europe too is built this way, as is India, as is North Africa, as is the Levant, as is Anatolia, as is North America, as is Africa, and so on. The expectation being that it is the reverse. So Hindus, Buddhists, and Sikhs in India, for example.
Apparently Muslims cannot give other people the respect they expect for themselves. Everywhere has to be for Muslims, but no non-Muslims around them. And if so, they have to be slaves or an underclass.
Saudia Arabia is Also controlled by corrupted governmential douchebags. Theres alot of shit going on there that worries a lot of muslims. Most muslims go there just for mecca but other than that the country is ruled by an idiotic moron that doesn't care much about the people, moreso about money. From our perspective, the guy sold his soul to life. It's considered a sin if you value life too much, as it can bring the worst out of people.(greed, ego, arrogance)
Mecca.. you mean that city created by non-Muslims who were then slaughtered by Muslims with everything they owned stolen?
Also about the muhamed(pbuh) statement waffle quoted. I never read it myself but then again, I haven't read the sunna(Book written by prophets followers about him). He probably said it, but you also have to realise that that is what we muslims truly believe what's gonna happen with non believers. It may seem cruel and we humans don't judge you for being a non believer. But we muslims believe when someone gets the message (a clear explenation of the religion) and ignores it, chances are that he may not be forgiven. You're free to find it nonsense and nobody is going to judge you for it.
Thanks for being honest!
I frequently get attacked whenever I quote Muhammad, usually by non-Muslims who think I am lying. I even see court cases of people being jailed for making quotes. I remember one of an Austrian being legally attacked because she called Muhammad a paedophile, despite the fact that he had a 9 year old wife.
Religion all began in the middle east. It has had too much of a big impact to be unreal. I mean history fades and the stories probably start to sound surreal with time. But i don't think all the stuff have just come out of nothing from one person that made up a good story that made so much sense for the average and the intelligent people
No it did not. Abrahamic religion began in the Middle East (Judaism, Christianity, Islam). Other religions long outdate them, especially the latter two. Hinduism is older than Judaism, for example.
There is also alot of scientific knowledge to be found in the quran. Stuff that hadn't been discovered back in the days were already stated in the almost 1500 year old quran. Things like the world being round like a ball and how the proces goes of a birth of a child. If you do a bit of research about islam and why people become muslim, it may convince you.
Haha, no. Greeks accurately measured the earth as round over a thousand years before Islam existed. Here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Eratosthenes.27_measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference And this is just the measurement, it was theorised hundreds of years before he was born. One example people thought of is why they could see different stars in Europe compared to Egypt. It is not as complex as you make this appear, though that measurement surely was.
Maybe you should consider rejecting Islam instead of others considering a conversion. Europe and the Middle East were far more advanced in ancient times than you seem to think. Islam and Christianity are a plague when it comes to science.
And on a personal note, I want to restate that I do eventually plan to read the Quran, or at least listen to it. So if you want, suggest me a translation or an audio book of it. And in case anyone is wondering: no, I am not a Christian. Religiously I followed pre-Christian British religions of Celts and Germans, and I am not spiritual.
