The Nintendo Direct official thread

[crackdude]

Every game that got everyone hyped this year was absent form the WiiU.

Witcher 3
MGS V
Fallout 4

That's what people are buying.

I'd hardly list Splatoon and Mario Maker on an harcore list, and they are the only good game that came out so far this year. They don't hold a candle to the three above.
Not only that, the WiiU costs nearly as much as an Xbox One (which also has Halo and Forza, two system sellers).

[Radrappy]

The less said about the abomination that is Starfox Zero, the better.

oh you mean the game that isn't even out yet?  Nintendo can't win.  Everyone begged for years for Star Fox and now that it's forthcoming, people couldn't be more critical of any little concept that doesn't look perfect to them.

Every game that got everyone hyped this year was absent form the WiiU.

Witcher 3
MGS V
Fallout 4

That's what people are buying.

I'd hardly list Splatoon and Mario Maker on an harcore list, and they are the only good game that came out so far this year. They don't hold a candle to the three above.
Not only that, the WiiU costs nearly as much as an Xbox One (which also has Halo and Forza, two system sellers).

hahahaha oh man.  You guys are too much.  So if a system doesn't have a gritty/mature open world styled game on it it's suddenly not worth your time?  Why do you guys even like video games? 

News flash, you can own more than one system and enjoy marvelous games of all kinds from many different kinds of developers.  Splatoon provides a fun experience that is unique to itself.  The same can be said for Fallout 4.  They're both great games and neither is more "HARDCOREXXX" than the other.  Splatoon is not a casual game, let me just say that. 

[Dr. SEGA Monkey]

hahahaha oh man.  You guys are too much.  So if a system doesn't have a gritty/mature open world styled game on it it's suddenly not worth your time?  Why do you guys even like video games? 

News flash, you can own more than one system and enjoy marvelous games of all kinds from many different kinds of developers.  Splatoon provides a fun experience that is unique to itself.  The same can be said for Fallout 4.  They're both great games and neither is more "HARDCOREXXX" than the other.  Splatoon is not a casual game, let me just say that. 

I think what they are trying to say is that the Wii U and Nintendo aren't catering to the masses and it's actually hurting them because of it. I love Splatoon and I think it's the most addicting and original game this generation, but it's not a system seller unfortunately.


People like Mario, but they also like Madden, Tomb Raider, Fallout, Arkham series, MGS, Destiny, and whatever high profile 3rd party series that's advertised like crazy. Why would the average joe choose the Wii U and miss all these other games?

Not everybody wants to spend money on multiple systems when they could just buy one which has all the big games. If the Wii U had the same power as Xbox One and PS4, the combination of first-party plus 3rd-party content would have made Nintendo unstoppable. Instead, they chose to alienate more people. They're not giving the people what they want. 

[Trippled]

The Wii U is the worst console to come out since...I dont know, the 3DO/Atari Jaguar maybe?

I mean, every console since the 6th Generation offered something significant, either with a library that slams the competetion or moving the medium forward.

Not like I am too impressed by PS4/Xbone either...but at least their existence is logical and justifiable.

If the Wii U never existed, the gaming world would not be different.

[Dr. SEGA Monkey]

And the worst part is that Nintendo is doing absolutely nothing to try to fix the situation. At least with the GameCube they dropped the price to $99 two years into it's life cycle to try to gain traction. The Wii U still has outrageous prices on the eShop (especially with the VC games), no games on the horizon, barely any advertising during highly watched broadcasts like NFL games, etc. It's like even Nintendo themselves don't care about the console anymore.

[Tad]

oh you mean the game that isn't even out yet?  Nintendo can't win.  Everyone begged for years for Star Fox and now that it's forthcoming, people couldn't be more critical of any little concept that doesn't look perfect to them.



hahahaha oh man.  You guys are too much.  So if a system doesn't have a gritty/mature open world styled game on it it's suddenly not worth your time?  Why do you guys even like video games? 

News flash, you can own more than one system and enjoy marvelous games of all kinds from many different kinds of developers.  Splatoon provides a fun experience that is unique to itself.  The same can be said for Fallout 4.  They're both great games and neither is more "HARDCOREXXX" than the other.  Splatoon is not a casual game, let me just say that. 

I agree. Nintendo offer great games. But as others have said, they don't appeal to a huge chunk of gamers as they miss out on huge - even goty material - games. I'd love to see them do a console that did both. That would be fantastic in my opinion.

As for Starfox Zero, you must not have been following the desires for the sequel very well. We've had sequels since Starfox 64, but none of them have carried on with the 64 style. They finally say they're going to and this is what we're got. Another gimmick awkward controlled mess that's empty due to the design choices.

[CrazyT]

The Wii U is the worst console to come out since...I dont know, the 3DO/Atari Jaguar maybe?

I mean, every console since the 6th Generation offered something significant, either with a library that slams the competetion or moving the medium forward.

Not like I am too impressed by PS4/Xbone either...but at least their existence is logical and justifiable.

If the Wii U never existed, the gaming world would not be different.

Do you own a Wii U? For me its even better than than its predecessor the wii and arguebly the gamecube as well when all is said and done

[pirovash88]

Do you own a Wii U? For me its even better than than its predecessor the wii and arguebly the gamecube as well when all is said and done

Hardly. Both the GCube and Wii had some 3rd party support. Not to mention that while the Wii was a casualfest they still had some decent IP's on it. Franchises that even the Wii U has missed out on, ie Resident Evil/Legit 3D Mario/Metroid/Final Fantasty, etc.

[CrazyT]

Hardly. Both the GCube and Wii had some 3rd party support. Not to mention that while the Wii was a casualfest they still had some decent IP's on it. Franchises that even the Wii U has missed out on, ie Resident Evil/Legit 3D Mario/Metroid/Final Fantasty, etc.

Good points. I guess its all relative. All 3rd party games on wii for example fell flat or werent really worthwhile except for resident evil 4. Its hard to beat a godly combo like mario galaxy 1&2 however

 Skies of arcadia also came out on it so thats automatically a huge plus. I have my reason why I like the WII U overall better than the n64/cube/wii. Which will all come down to lists etc, which is a pretty tiring way of discussing so im just gonna leave it at that. Its all relative as I said. Ultimatelly I think that I got most fun out of the wii u compared to the other consoles. I didnt have an n64, but the gamecube and wii overall werent that special in hindsight. I had a huge backlog for them as well and I like to mix my games up a bit.  I go through some gamecube or wii games every once in a while to catch up on some of them. A lot of it just isnt that great. Mario sunshine is one i've tried to finish multiple times and its just tedious. But the good ones definitly surpass anything thats on WII U. For example metroid prime 1&2 beats anything i've played on WII U. So are mario galaxy 1&2. Wii U still doesnt have a game that surpasses those yet. The WII U still has some great games coming out so who knows.

[crackdude]

People like Mario, but they also like Madden, Tomb Raider, Fallout, Arkham series, MGS, Destiny, and whatever high profile 3rd party series that's advertised like crazy. Why would the average joe choose the Wii U and miss all these other games?

This is exactly the point.

I like Mario Kart and Smash. But am I buying a WiiU just to play them? Fuck no.

[Phantasos]

Going with that, besides Bayonetta, Zombiu, Fatal Frame and Xenoblade, their efforts have been pretty meh. The less said about the abomination that is Starfox Zero, the better.

Yeah, man. Fuck making Star Fox a rail shooter again and returning it to form, where are my shitty Zelda clones plastered with Fox titties? Now that's a Star Fox game!

Anyway, the WiiU is a far better console for Nintendo fans (Except if you're a 3D Mario guy) than the Wii and the Wii was ridiculously well received because of the casual shit they managed to popularize. I could give a fuck about how badly it's doing saleswise, it's a return of focus to the fans that grew their brand. Sure, it's an anemic one and the games are coming out at a snail's pace and the NX is sure to kill whatever effort they're pouring into it but if it has good games, I'll buy it. It's not complicated. I bought one for Smash and Bayonetta 2 alone.

Which is to say, the WiiU is a shittier Gamecube (With better action games) but hey, in this day and age, that's better than nothing. Not like the echo chamber third party support polluting the Xbox and PS4 make either console worthwhile. And don't even get me started on the pedantic performance blabbering - MY COD RUNS 3.4 FPS HIGHER THAN YOUR COD AND WITH SLIGHTLY IRRELEVANT HIGHER RESOLUTION, MY CONSOLE OF CHOICE JUST WON THE WAR, ROUND'S ON ME - It all comes down to exclusive games, which are also coming at a snail's pace.

That said, Square Enix are some devious fucks by marketing the FF7 remake with exclusive content from a console that will never even get the remake in the first place, I fucking love it. But at the end of the day, it's not like Nintendo is missing out on anything, Smash is only becoming more and more of a special snowflake when it comes to crossovers. Literally nothing gets close to it. And as bizarre as this might some to some people, Smash or Mario Kart are the very definition of a system seller.

[CrazyT]

I think cloud in smash is more of a personal love of the director himself(sakurai?) for the game. Im not sure who to give credit for the excellent portrayals of all the characters in smash, but holy crap is it done well in cloud's case. There is some deep love poured into every character's portrayal to the extent I dont see happen in main games of franchises. Megaman and Pacman are obvious examples of that as well. It just seems more than just, "oh hey lets just put this character in smash" in that regard.

Overall I think you described well how I feel about the WII U phantasos. Couldnt have said it better myself

[Phantasos]

I know Sakurai has a set of ground rules for guest characters, I've read it somewhere. Cloud must have barely fit the bill if he's in.

[Tad]

Yeah, man. Fuck making Star Fox a rail shooter again and returning it to form, where are my shitty Zelda clones plastered with Fox titties? Now that's a Star Fox game!

Anyway, the WiiU is a far better console for Nintendo fans (Except if you're a 3D Mario guy) than the Wii and the Wii was ridiculously well received because of the casual shit they managed to popularize. I could give a fuck about how badly it's doing saleswise, it's a return of focus to the fans that grew their brand. Sure, it's an anemic one and the games are coming out at a snail's pace and the NX is sure to kill whatever effort they're pouring into it but if it has good games, I'll buy it. It's not complicated. I bought one for Smash and Bayonetta 2 alone.

Which is to say, the WiiU is a shittier Gamecube (With better action games) but hey, in this day and age, that's better than nothing. Not like the echo chamber third party support polluting the Xbox and PS4 make either console worthwhile. And don't even get me started on the pedantic performance blabbering - MY COD RUNS 3.4 FPS HIGHER THAN YOUR COD AND WITH SLIGHTLY IRRELEVANT HIGHER RESOLUTION, MY CONSOLE OF CHOICE JUST WON THE WAR, ROUND'S ON ME - It all comes down to exclusive games, which are also coming at a snail's pace.

That said, Square Enix are some devious fucks by marketing the FF7 remake with exclusive content from a console that will never even get the remake in the first place, I fucking love it. But at the end of the day, it's not like Nintendo is missing out on anything, Smash is only becoming more and more of a special snowflake when it comes to crossovers. Literally nothing gets close to it. And as bizarre as this might some to some people, Smash or Mario Kart are the very definition of a system seller.

Angry fella aren't ya

[Radrappy]

The Wii U is the worst console to come out since...I dont know, the 3DO/Atari Jaguar maybe?

I mean, every console since the 6th Generation offered something significant, either with a library that slams the competetion or moving the medium forward.

Not like I am too impressed by PS4/Xbone either...but at least their existence is logical and justifiable.

If the Wii U never existed, the gaming world would not be different.

Posts like these hurt my brain.  As bad as the fucking Jaguar?  Really?

What is pushing the medium is subjective.  I would argue that the application of the gyroscope/touchscreen in splatoon pushes the medium forward just as much as upping the resolution and framerate of a halo/CoD sequel.