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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #555 on: November 10, 2016, 03:35:26 am »
We have all the means to get the information we need about anything now and people still manage to come to the conclusion that it's just liberals moaning.
Do we have those means tho? Where do you get the information, the media?
The only way to do so would be actually listening to what he says without preconceptions and drawing conclusions.

A couple months ago I asked here: can facts be racist? If statistically blacks commit more crimes, am I racist for stating so? Is it racist to stop illegal immigrants?

Pointing out that some groups of people have certain issues that are more significant within their communities isn't racist at all.
What makes you a racist is if, based on those facts or not, you prejudge everyone from the same group, regardless if they are part of the problem or not.

Liberals (manyof them) believe that having a pragmatic problem solving attitude within specific communities is racist in itself. Most of the media is liberal.
So yea, most of the information you get over a subject is biased to make you believe anyone outside the liberal circle is racist.

As Barry illustrated, for him anyone who voted Trump is a bigot.
Same way all blacks are criminals (joke. Get the point?)
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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #556 on: November 10, 2016, 04:23:40 am »
Yes, we do have those means. The internet allows you to see exactly what Trump has said throughout this campaign.

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #557 on: November 10, 2016, 06:24:48 am »
But that's the point. When you get into his actual words, it's pretty hard to support the "he's a racist" opinion without resorting to media propaganda.

The main issue is the media really. Most of what we read and hold as "truth" is just propaganda.
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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #558 on: November 10, 2016, 08:56:46 am »
How is it "propaganda" when he stands on a stage and says harmful things? You can't blame the media for that.

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #559 on: November 10, 2016, 10:25:40 am »
I'm not going to ask "like what" for you to provide a list which I will rationalize at will, to your (justified) indifference.

But I will say that I do not find said harmful things worse than saying the USA should continue to provide weapons to Syrian rebels to spite a proxy war with Russia.

Both candidates sucked. Propaganda is believing otherwise.
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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #560 on: November 10, 2016, 12:13:52 pm »
Sounds like you'd just make excuses for him in all honesty. Regardless, that still wouldn't be media propaganda. There's a huge difference.

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #561 on: November 10, 2016, 02:03:07 pm »
Like I give a rats ass about Trump or the US. I wouldn't vote for any of them if I was in the US.

That doesn't mean everything everyone throws at Trump is true. It isn't. Saying illegal mexicans are wrong isn't racism.
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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #562 on: November 10, 2016, 02:44:25 pm »
Oh, I agree there. I'm referring to his more on the nose comments like women.

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #563 on: November 10, 2016, 03:35:57 pm »
Oh, he's totally a pig, no doubt
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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #564 on: November 10, 2016, 05:55:18 pm »
I am very pleased with Trump' s victory, but I sure as hell hope Julian Castro doesn't run in 2020. He is the only one who could beat him. Julian scares me.

Offline CrazyT

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #565 on: November 10, 2016, 09:46:54 pm »
Even McCain, who I am no fan of, stood up to a woman calling Obama a Muslim. Trump though? He was happy to fan those flames.
He needs to adress it asap. I'm trying my best to be reasonable because I feel like trump is extremely unpredictable, as it should be expected from his business background. It is someone who will do anything to get shit done including lying and deceiving, hence I wouldn't put it out of the question that he may have said things solely to cater to groups as learning from analysts how fanatic said voters are. I guess this is wishful thinking but him not being part of establishment compared to Hillary, despite me being a muslim, will always get a huge plus from me. I wasnt a fan of either candidates but its pretty clear that one of them is the quietly sly one from my perspective. Experience has taught me that these can be the more dangerous people. Chances are that the things hillary was arguing against verbally, would be the same with her behind the curtain. I'm talking about destabilzing parts of the world for benefits and overall acting on interest and power gain for the ruling part of the world. Hillary really wasn't any better if you ask me. I can give Trump the benefit of the doubt if he starts adressing the division he has created.
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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #566 on: November 10, 2016, 11:45:52 pm »
For you guys who live in States..
Is this all true?

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

I didn't see any of this on television, but it's going viral on Twitter & Facebook so I kinda wonder.

Offline CrazyT

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #567 on: November 11, 2016, 01:43:31 am »
For you guys who live in States..
Is this all true?

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

I didn't see any of this on television, but it's going viral on Twitter & Facebook so I kinda wonder.
Unsettling... what a bunch of freaks..

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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #568 on: November 11, 2016, 09:38:25 am »
Oh, I agree there. I'm referring to his more on the nose comments like women.

Like Bill Clinton was any better ?  Most of the French Presidents shag anything that moves and have countless affairs and the less said about Silvio Berlusconi the better .

Most of them make Trump look like a saint tbh
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Re: 2016 U.S. Presidential Election
« Reply #569 on: November 11, 2016, 10:45:51 am »
For you guys who live in States..
Is this all true?

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

I didn't see any of this on television, but it's going viral on Twitter & Facebook so I kinda wonder.
Yes, from 9th November on, all racism is Trump's fault
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