Author Topic: Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 1  (Read 523727 times)

Offline Happy Cat

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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1425 on: October 12, 2010, 05:48:16 am »
Obviously it's not "SONIC 4 AS YOU TRULY IMAGINED IT" as Ken Balough would say.  but it's still a fun game once you give it a chance.  I understand that some people might not be able to give it a chance though =P

That's why I said don't waste your time with the game if you aren't willing to adjust to the new physics.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1426 on: October 12, 2010, 05:50:41 am »
I enjoyed Rush, probably more than most people here. The thing is Rush was not called Sonic 4 and was not sold as a return to the roots and the usual blabber.

Couldn't they just use code from the old games? Physics don't age, bros. Sega does lose source codes. :/
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1427 on: October 12, 2010, 05:54:52 am »
Well, if you enjoyed rush, chances are you will enjoy this.  I say give it a chance =P  Just don't think of it as the "SONIC 4 AS YOU TRULY IMAGINED IT"

The controls are different from Rush, they seem much more stiff.  It takes a while to get used to.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1428 on: October 12, 2010, 05:56:17 am »
Stiff controls? That's a surprise.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1429 on: October 12, 2010, 05:58:36 am »
Yeah.. a friend of mine who has the iphone version said the iphone controls are loose compared to the controls on the console versions.   Maybe it's an improvement(?) they made.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1430 on: October 12, 2010, 09:02:48 am »
The average Sonic 4 score looks to be 8.5/10, which is damn impressive.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1431 on: October 12, 2010, 09:56:17 am »
Rush was waaaay to loose. I like tight controls.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1432 on: October 12, 2010, 10:01:31 am »
Very helpful speedrun video:

[youtube:aazpgcez]PrkeyrU3wSw[/youtube:aazpgcez]

40 seconds!!! I totally now get how to improve my own times based on this.
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s4e1 = struggle with controls (sort of a review)
« Reply #1433 on: October 12, 2010, 11:00:11 am »
So here are my thoughts

The whole game is a struggle with the heavy acceleration and wonky physics. Either you play careful and get stressed everytime you release the d-pad(where normally you would just slow down but here go to a straight halt) or you spam the homing attack and get hit everytime.

But even when you adept to the controls, the controls still feel like a struggle and they stop me from wanting to replay the stages again. While the level design is top notch, the physics and the slow accel just kill the game. Honestly I was against the homing attack from the start, but in this game it feels like a gift. Yeah you can choose not to use it at occations where it's better not to, but s4e1 without a homing attack (forget the enemy bridges) would make the game even worse.

I think the reason for the speed boosters are the physics. I can see the game be even more of a struggle without them. The game would feel slow. Everything in the game where we had been complaining about( homing attack, speed boosters etc) are all there to compensate the bad physics, and you know what? It works, without them this game would feel even worse so there you have it.

I just finished the game and got all the emeralds. The most polished thing in the game are the bonus stages, I loved the bonus stages, they were challenging but also a LOT OF fun, so I give them props for that. What they also nailed in this game is the "classic feel". Immediately when you start at splash hill zone you feel that it is a sonic 4. The visuals are really good, the leveldesign is excellent, my only gripe is that the game is zoomed in too much. I would like to see an overhaul in visuals, keep the detail, but make it look less flat and more alive.

I don't think i'm ever gonna replay the game again. Just thinking about the controls stops me from wanting to play more, but the leaderboard system is pretty solid so for those who have no problem with the controls, I say enjoy.

Overall 6.0

Honestly I don't get the 8's and 9's i'm seeing but i'm also happy at the same time that this game might be a bigger succes because of the scores.

Episode 2 can't come soon enough.


Edit: And I think Shadi is right. Yesterday I played the iphone version and I remember there was a lot more momentum in that game. I remember not pressing the directional keys at all and have sonic go down slopes and through loops easily. In this console version he slows down even before getting to the loop when not pressing direction keys. Rolling in general slows you down. I am not sure because I played the iphone version very briefdly but if someone could confirm this, please do.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1434 on: October 12, 2010, 11:07:21 am »
Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
Very helpful speedrun video:

[youtube:2l57r1dd]PrkeyrU3wSw[/youtube:2l57r1dd]

40 seconds!!! I totally now get how to improve my own times based on this.

shit!
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1435 on: October 12, 2010, 11:50:14 am »
Fuckin shit! I can't beat this thing! Tried once, and I think I have never died that ammount in any Sonic The Hedgehog series game in my whole life!

 They are tricking the players, doing nasty things at the end of each ACT 3 stage just to kill you, like they did in Sonic Rush series. It is HORRIBLE! They have done everything to kill you everytime!

 Everything is fuckin hard! The controls are horrible! Sonic feels like made by paper, and his jump is terrible now! I always jump quickly like in the old games, but in this game he falls down if u do this. It thinks you are doing a homming attack, but IM DONT WANNA DO THAT! I JUST WANNA JUMP TO ANOTHER PLATFORM! STUPID IIZUKA!!

 I got crazy about the physics! Sonic stop running every time... too slow! The music is horrible too. Jun Senoue must die.

 The bonus stage is the cheapest thing I have ever seen on the series!!!


 I have more to complain... later.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1436 on: October 12, 2010, 12:35:56 pm »
Quote from: "STORM!"
Fuckin shit! I can't beat this thing! Tried once, and I think I have never died that ammount in any Sonic The Hedgehog series game in my whole life!

 They are tricking the players, doing nasty things at the end of each ACT 3 stage just to kill you, like they did in Sonic Rush series. It is HORRIBLE! They have done everything to kill you everytime!

 Everything is fuckin hard! The controls are horrible! Sonic feels like made by paper, and his jump is terrible now! I always jump quickly like in the old games, but in this game he falls down if u do this. It thinks you are doing a homming attack, but IM DONT WANNA DO THAT! I JUST WANNA JUMP TO ANOTHER PLATFORM! STUPID IIZUKA!!

 I got crazy about the physics! Sonic stop running every time... too slow! The music is horrible too. Jun Senoue must die.


 The bonus stage is the cheapest thing I have ever seen on the series!!!


 I have more to complain... later.

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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1437 on: October 12, 2010, 12:54:35 pm »
I'm surprised STORM! is having such great difficulties in beating the game. Are you sure you're using your hands with the controller?

I died just as much as in any other Sonic game, so I don't see how you're encountering this problem. Not sure what sort of tricking is going on in the act 3's. If you mean traps and enemies being "tricks" then yes, Eggman's plan is to kill Sonic so you're bound to be tricked into a trap in any Sonic game.

Your whole third sentence is a mess, but from what I gather Sonic does not control in the same way that he does on the Genesis. Well, it's been well discussed here that he does not. However, within the realm of Sonic 4 it all works (as mentioned in just about every positive review online).

The special stage is hardly cheap. If anything, Sonic 2's special stage is more cheap than Sonic 4 ever was. Tails fucking up your game by slamming into spikes. :P You gotta be careful maneuvering around the bumpers, but that's about it. The time extension balls are wisely placed. Getting all 7 emeralds is a challenge, yes, but then again isn't supposed to be a challenge?
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1438 on: October 12, 2010, 12:57:52 pm »
Seriously guys, the ones who were complaining about it before are the ones complaining now. Just admit it's a good game. It's not the best ever but it's the first really good Sonic game in 9 years.
Most people are enjoying it a lot.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1439 on: October 12, 2010, 01:08:10 pm »
Funny thing I forgot to mention:

I was playing Sonic 1, 2 and 3 yesterday on my Genesis and had to LOL hard at myself as I attempted to spin dash while playing Sonic 1 and attempted to homing attack in Sonic 3. A week of playing Sonic 4 on the iPhone will do that to you. :P

However I did whip out the Game Genie and made Sonic perform the flame shield attack at all times without the shield equipped. While doing this, I picked up the bubble shield and when combined they acted as a pseudo-homing attack, shooting me forward on a double jump and bouncing when hitting items and enemies. It was pretty cool.

I love my Game Genie. Best birthday present ever.
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