Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 1

[Autosaver]

Guys, chill. It was a joke. (Maybe a cold one but..)
Everyone is a gamer no matter what nation you are from.

[MadeManG74]

Guys, chill. It was a joke. (Maybe a cold one but..)
Everyone is a gamer no matter what nation you are from.

Except Australians.

[Autosaver]

In this title, we have not done a straight port of the gameplay [from the Genesis games], but rather updated it with actions which could not be done in the previous titles, like ceiling-running. These changes probably made for a different feel to the longtime Sonic fans. We’re happy for feedback like this, and we’ll make sure we can improve the quality even further in upcoming titles.

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=143608

Better physics in Episode 2?

[CrazyT]

Seriously, what's wrong with this guy?

[Aki-at]

In this title, we have not done a straight port of the gameplay [from the Genesis games], but rather updated it with actions which could not be done in the previous titles, like ceiling-running. These changes probably made for a different feel to the longtime Sonic fans. We’re happy for feedback like this, and we’ll make sure we can improve the quality even further in upcoming titles.

So I take it this person never played Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehoge CD, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Sonic & Knuckles? The physics system from any of the classic games would allow cieling running.

They really should stop trying to show they know any significant amount of detail of the previous games. They happen to keep getting shown up.

[Sharky]

Seriously, what's wrong with this guy?

Do you really expect him to come out and say there were issues with the game?

He would rather alienate a few weird Sonic nerds on the internet then the people that helped make the game which he has to work with.

When you get asked tricky questions you have to 'PR it' with that kind of damage control... It's not just THIS guy it is everyone in the industry, in every industry.

10 years down the line you might hear him say
'We realise we didn't get the physics completely right in Sonic 4 Episode 1... But he would be stupid to say there is anything wrong with it now, while he is working with the same team to make the next part...

Clearly by what he has said they have heard the complaints... Read between the lines.

[Dr. SEGA Monkey]

Ryan, the problem is that he's not actually addressing any problems with the game. Instead, he's addressing "problems" that shouldn't even be considered problems in the first place!

Most people complained about Sonic's lack of momentum, and his slope behavior. What does "ceiling-running" have to do with any of that? As Aki pointed out, you CAN run on the ceiling in the old Sonic games.

I've already said this before, when Iizuka made that "speed boosters are necessary" comment, but I'll say it again: It honestly feels like I'm reading a quote from that fake Iizuka Twitter account. He's just that ridiculous sounding in these interviews.

[Sega Uranus]

Seriously, what's wrong with this guy?

Do you really expect him to come out and say there were issues with the game?

He would rather alienate a few weird Sonic nerds on the internet then the people that helped make the game which he has to work with.

When you get asked tricky questions you have to 'PR it' with that kind of damage control... It's not just THIS guy it is everyone in the industry, in every industry.

10 years down the line you might hear him say
'We realise we didn't get the physics completely right in Sonic 4 Episode 1... But he would be stupid to say there is anything wrong with it now, while he is working with the same team to make the next part...

Clearly by what he has said they have heard the complaints... Read between the lines.

Please stop going out of your way to defend Iizuka, it is just silly now.

He was one of the main guys for level design in Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Sonic & Knuckles (I also assume he at least tried out some of the other titles), those games had sections where you could run on the ceiling. He had to KNOW how the physics worked to have it in there at all.

It is highly unlikely he forgot that considering it is some of his best known work and was what got him promoted to bigger things, it is more likely that he does not care and is just talking out his ass.

[MadeManG74]

Iizuka is rubbish at making games, film at 11.

[Sharky]

It's interesting how often I'm told to stop defending the guy when all I'm doing is NOT attacking every thing he does and says. I don't think I've ever said I even like him...

But I just expected people would understand PR speak by now... Granted, he's not very good at it... But I think what really matters here is this line
"and we’ll make sure we can improve the quality even further in upcoming titles."

I just think that picking at everything the guy says with a fine tooth comb is stupid. No producer will flat out say their game is bad and he is clearly dancing around the issue but I suspect he is talking about this gif I've seen quoted every time someone talks about the problem with the physics and how 'broken' Sonic 4 is.



But what I find amusing is that people keep harping on about how terrible Iizuka is for Sonic 4: Episode 1 as if he coded it himself, single handedly. Yet he is in the same position in Sonic 4 as he has been for Sonic Colours, A game that most of us are hailing as the return of Sonic, the best 3D Sonic game in years, if not, ever and possibly the best Sonic game since the 90s...

Sonic the Hedgehog 4 (2010) — Producer
Sonic Colors (2010) — Producer

So we can shit on the guy when it suits us but when it doesn't we turn a blind eye? Cool.

Frankly I don't really care for him. Suggesting that I'm defend him here is amusing to say the least. If anything I think I'm just being the voice of reason amongst people that seem irritated when I'm not demonizing him.

At worst his career has been hit and miss, but his latest game Sonic Colours is my favourite Sonic game since the 90's not to mention I enjoyed Sonic 4 dispite the issues.

If anything is 'just silly now' it's demonizing one guy for the faults in Sonic 4.

[MadeManG74]

^Oh lawd, that gif is hilarious.

[Sharky]

^Oh lawd, that gif is hilarious.

The problem with the gif is that it's a bug, not 'just what happens' I've played the game maybe 20 times now and I've yet to experience this.

People are using it as a 'this is why the physics are broke' but it's got nothing to do with the physics as far as I've experienced the game. It's a bug that I've yet to find...

Also, it's annoying but exactly what I expected that the next comment would ignore the point I was trying to make and go straight for the 'lol gif.'

The whole Sonic 4/Iizuka argument is impossible, if I don't agree that he is the worst thing ever to happen to the Sonic series then I'm a Sonic Team fanboy and defending him and if I point out that he had just as much involvment in Sonic Colours it'll go ignored and tomorrow it'll all be LOL GIF IIKUZA MAKES BAD GAME NEWS AT 11 again.

[MadeManG74]

Also, it's annoying but exactly what I expected that the next comment would ignore the point I was trying to make and go straight for the 'lol gif.'

The whole Sonic 4/Iizuka argument is impossible, if I don't agree that he is the worst thing ever to happen to the Sonic series then I'm a Sonic Team fanboy and defending him and if I point out that he had just as much involvment in Sonic Colours it'll go ignored and tomorrow it'll all be LOL GIF IIKUZA MAKES BAD GAME NEWS AT 11 again.

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Yeah, I don't feel like arguing about it to be honest, hence the 'lol gif'. You know how I feel about Sonic Team as a whole and Sonic 4 in particular.

I will say that I'm genuinely surprised at how well Sonic Colours seemed to turn out though, so maybe Iizuka isn't all bad. Although I do think that Sonic Team during Sonic 06 era had to have been the single worst development team to ever walk the earth (hence the 'Iizuka is rubbish' comment).

[Aki-at]

Although I do think that Sonic Team during Sonic 06 era had to have been the single worst development team to ever walk the earth (hence the 'Iizuka is rubbish' comment).

Iizuka had nothing to do with that team.

The Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog team however...

[Sega Uranus]

Sharky is sidestepping everything thrown at Iizuka. I do not care about his work on 4 or Colors, I care about what he has done to the franchise and Sonic Team in general. He IS the reason for the dark story and characters the series obtained when it went 3D including the style change, HE hired many of the people who would work on some of the worst Sonic games of all time, he ruined NiGHTS... He also constantly lies in almost every interview he is in and has proven that he is just not very smart and keeps giving bad PR. One of the worst things is that he will only let Jun Sunoue work on Sonic music anymore when there are dozens of much more talented people that are literally begging for the job, like Nakamura, Jacques and even Tallarico...