Do you still like Sega? - Redux (Post E3 2013 Edition)

[tarpmortar]

Just an example of how SEGA of Japan has fucking lost it, this is Alicia Melchiott in a game the published called chaos heroes online, this is official fucking artwork from SEGA of Alicia Melchiott from valkyria chronicles:



This is what she used to look like on PS3:



WHAT THE FUCK?!

[Barry the Nomad]

Dem boobies.

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Oh yeah, I have to think... SNK and Atari fans have it pretty rough now. Being a SEGA fan in 2013 really isn't that bad at all.

[ROJM]

Maybe this will ease people's minds...

http://spong.com/article/29884/SEGA-Could-Bring-PC-Franchises-to-Next-Gen-Consoles


Jurgen Post, head of SEGA West (which covers Europe and the US), told MCV in its latest hardcopy issue that "if next gen consoles become as successful as people say we can look to move some of our big properties on PC over to those machines."

Perfer to see Arcade ports though

[CrazyT]

I'm very much with taro about SEGA of japan. Fucking otaku bullshit has ruined japanese gaming in general for me. What the hell have they done to alicia!? Yes it really pisses me off how much they're exploiting sex in their games lately. We all know sex is easy to sell and it almost looks like some kind of thing you have to do since everybody is doing it anyway, over there.

It's probably one of the reasons why japanese games dont sell over here, but i'm sure that quality has also dropped tremendously with the change of focus. Best examples are shining force and pso2. Stay classy japan

[Aki-at]

Er, you guys do realise she wears that very outfit in the original Valkyria Chronicles? There is an entire subchapter with them visiting a beach and they even had a figure model soon after the game's release.

I mean I agree with the sentiment, but this is hardly a new occurrence.

It's probably one of the reasons why japanese games dont sell over here, but i'm sure that quality has also dropped tremendously with the change of focus. Best examples are shining force and pso2. Stay classy japan

Like No More Heroes, Catherine, Bayonetta and other Japanese games?

[jonboy101]

Just an example of how SEGA of Japan has fucking lost it, this is Alicia Melchiott in a game the published called chaos heroes online, this is official fucking artwork from SEGA of Alicia Melchiott from valkyria chronicles:


This is what she used to look like on PS3:



WHAT THE FUCK?!

Not that I don't find it a bit vulgar, but I wouldn't call this new. Sega was stripping down its ladies in 1995, too. The breast augmentation is sort of disgusting, though.

[ROJM]

was it here or sega nerds where some one posted a manga of VALYKRIA CHRONICLES which was more or less a gay hentai leaving nothing to the imagination.

The new pic of Alicia Melchiott is lightweight compared to that. I will say that she must have had a boob job since the last game till now...

[CrazyT]

Er, you guys do realise she wears that very outfit in the original Valkyria Chronicles? There is an entire subchapter with them visiting a beach and they even had a figure model soon after the game's release.

I mean I agree with the sentiment, but this is hardly a new occurrence.

Like No More Heroes, Catherine, Bayonetta and other Japanese games?

Well I wouldn't consider those games under the otaku croud. Bayonetta and no more heroes are more of a distinct style, which I can appreciate(for reasons we've already argued about here in the past) and I don't think it caters to those weirdos. I never played Catherine so I don't know about that one.

I was more talking about games like shining force, pso2, hyperdimension neptunia, lollipop chainsaw or final fantasy 13 etc. I have never felt so uneasy playing a final fantasy game in my life. Fire emblem is another great game infected by this bs. The only games I know of that didn't come out here are the SEGA ones because I don't folllow much of the others(Edit: Oh yeah senran kugaru, a game about some samurai girls with huge breasts made it into number 1 for vita. Which is just crazy for many reasons).  But the huge difference of japanese game releases now compared to the 90's is pretty big. I think mainly because a lot of it has shifted its focus towards what seems to(easily) sell well over there, and t hey probably acknowledged that it doesn't over here.

I think we are at a point that some of the devs are understanding that games like that dont appeal here. Recent games like persona, ni no kuni are doing better and I wish SEGA distanced itself too. I hate to say it for the guys who are looking forward to it it, but pso2 has become a joke, and no update focusses improving the gameplay rather it brings new costumes. Not too long ago there has been seethrough wet towels and the skirts seem to becoming shorter with each costume update as well

[ROJM]

So you're afraid that Sega may be dumbing down the series to sell a cheap RPG handheld game in massive quantities to people who have nothing better to do but cosplay allday? I'm afraid your too late, Sega has already done that with the VC series,SHINING series and the PHANTASY STAR PORTABLE games and then releasing the same game again with added features not available on the first game. A bit like what happened with Streetfighter 2 and VIRTUA FIGHTER. The only one that hasn't been cashed in yet under the modern regime is SAKURA TAISEN, but time will tell on that one.

And the problem is Sega doesn't care as long as they get the cash, the wont even bother localising them in the west as we have seen with recent titles.

[Aki-at]

Well I wouldn't consider those games under the otaku croud. Bayonetta and no more heroes are more of a distinct style, which I can appreciate(for reasons we've already argued about here in the past) and I don't think it caters to those weirdos. I never played Catherine so I don't know about that one.

Bayonetta and No More Heroes probably has more hentai of it on the internet than Phantasy Star Online 2. So it certainly does cater to those weirdos.

I was more talking about games like shining force, pso2, hyperdimension neptunia, lollipop chainsaw or final fantasy 13 etc. I have never felt so uneasy playing a final fantasy game in my life. Fire emblem is another great game infected by this bs.

Wait wait... Why are you grouping Phantasy Star Online 2 with these other titles? It is true you can make the characters look rather classless, but it solely is not targetted towards the otaku crowd.

And that reminds me, Lollipop Chainsaw also sold extremely well here (Suda's most successful game ever) Japanese games failing here has less to do with sex appeal and more to do with the title either being mechanically broken or poorly marketed.

[jonboy101]

So you're afraid that Sega may be dumbing down the series to sell a cheap RPG handheld game in massive quantities to people who have nothing better to do but cosplay allday? I'm afraid your too late, Sega has already done that with the VC series,SHINING series and the PHANTASY STAR PORTABLE games and then releasing the same game again with added features not available on the first game. A bit like what happened with Streetfighter 2 and VIRTUA FIGHTER. The only one that hasn't been cashed in yet under the modern regime is SAKURA TAISEN, but time will tell on that one.

And the problem is Sega doesn't care as long as they get the cash, the wont even bother localising them in the west as we have seen with recent titles.

It's not as though they haven't tried on ST.

[CrazyT]

Bayonetta and No More Heroes probably has more hentai of it on the internet than Phantasy Star Online 2. So it certainly does cater to those weirdos.

Fair enough, you're right about this

Wait wait... Why are you grouping Phantasy Star Online 2 with these other titles? It is true you can make the characters look rather classless, but it solely is not targetted towards the otaku crowd.

It is and many people who played the game since launch and have seen what each update has been focussing on, know this. The community at pso world has some major clashes about this every now and then. People who enjoy pso2, enjoy it more for the dress up game it is rather than the shallowly easy field experience it gives(which I also think is the result of the audience focus). And it's really a shame because the combat mechanics are universally praised.

And that reminds me, Lollipop Chainsaw also sold extremely well here (Suda's most successful game ever) Japanese games failing here has less to do with sex appeal and more to do with the title either being mechanically broken or poorly marketed.

I think even tho the games sell poorly, the sales they do make is because of the sex appeal. I guess here in the west, malers are less of an easy prey when it comes to fictional/animated sex, but that croud still exists. Remove all that and you'll indeed have a mechanically broken game.

[jonboy101]

Well I wouldn't consider those games under the otaku croud. Bayonetta and no more heroes are more of a distinct style, which I can appreciate(for reasons we've already argued about here in the past) and I don't think it caters to those weirdos. I never played Catherine so I don't know about that one.

I was more talking about games like shining force, pso2, hyperdimension neptunia, lollipop chainsaw or final fantasy 13 etc. I have never felt so uneasy playing a final fantasy game in my life. Fire emblem is another great game infected by this bs. The only games I know of that didn't come out here are the SEGA ones because I don't folllow much of the others(Edit: Oh yeah senran kugaru, a game about some samurai girls with huge breasts made it into number 1 for vita. Which is just crazy for many reasons).  But the huge difference of japanese game releases now compared to the 90's is pretty big. I think mainly because a lot of it has shifted its focus towards what seems to(easily) sell well over there, and t hey probably acknowledged that it doesn't over here.

I think we are at a point that some of the devs are understanding that games like that dont appeal here. Recent games like persona, ni no kuni are doing better and I wish SEGA distanced itself too. I hate to say it for the guys who are looking forward to it it, but pso2 has become a joke, and no update focusses improving the gameplay rather it brings new costumes. Not too long ago there has been seethrough wet towels and the skirts seem to becoming shorter with each costume update as well

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying Japanese games had fewer tits and less pseudo-porn in the 90s?

[CrazyT]

Yes. I could name hundred of amazing rpg's that lacked even the least bit of blatant "pseudo porn" from the genesis/snes/ps1&2/saturn/dreamcast. Especially ps1.

[Aki-at]

It is and many people who played the game since launch and have seen what each update has been focussing on, know this. The community at pso world has some major clashes about this every now and then. People who enjoy pso2, enjoy it more for the dress up game it is rather than the shallowly easy field experience it gives(which I also think is the result of the audience focus). And it's really a shame because the combat mechanics are universally praised.

Again I do not see what this has to do with the otaku crowd. People like customizable character creation but in no way I think you can say it's targeting that particular community.

I think even tho the games sell poorly, the sales they do make is because of the sex appeal. I guess here in the west, malers are less of an easy prey when it comes to fictional/animated sex, but that croud still exists. Remove all that and you'll indeed have a mechanically broken game.

Are you saying we do not have the same creepy otaku crowd here in the West? Because we do, they're called Marvel/DC fans.