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Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« on: January 10, 2014, 07:44:42 am »
If we ignore software for a moment, I believe that last gen, every console was a success in sales despite those that claim that "The Wii was a fad" and "The PSP is dead in the West".


Looking back, the PSP sold the least at 76.3 million(as of March 31, 2012).


Despite the software sales being sub-par in the west, I do believe the PSP was a success in its own right. Especially when you consider Nintendo's last major competitor SEGA, didn't do even a quarter of that.


Overall, here's the results of last generation via Wikipedia (sales are subjective, so take them as you see fit)


PSP: 76.3 million (as of March 31, 2012). (There's a chart somewhere in 2012 where sales in the EU were bigger than the 3DS I believe...I should post that if I can find it, I personally believe sales are now at 77 million)
PS3: 80 million (as of November 2, 2013)
360: 80 millionas of October 17, 2013
Wii: I can't find the numbers on Wikipedia, but I believe it's past 100 million?
DS: Worldwide: 153.96 million, all models combined (as of September 30, 2013)

Despite the winners and losers of the software/games battle, I do believe each company should be proud of how far gaming's become! I am sure that Steam will pick up even more because of this transition.


Now tell me yourselves in your own words whether this was because of Casual gamers jumping in, whether the market expanded to third world countries or simply whether there is just more money to spend in this industry than first thought.


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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2014, 05:41:10 pm »
Money-wise, I guess it did REALLY well. But I do not believe this is necessarily a good thing. Like every other market, where there is money there is interest and greed. As such this gen saw even worse cases of cheap cash-ins, rushed sequels and games rushed to the market.

The result is that when buying a brand new game you're buying (1) a beta, it'll be finished when the devs finally patch it up; and (2) about 60% of the game, the other 40% will be DLC or available in the GOTY Edition.

Not only that but also patches that take content OFF the game, cheat-codes are now paid DLC, and online gaming is needlessly expensive and an ad-cluttered experience.

Games-wise, it was a pretty good gen, but not remarkable unless you're either new to gaming or easily-impressionable.

I'm not going to make snarky "PC master race" remarks, but the truth is that consoles are heading away into a colossal crash. It is now pretty apparent. It will happen either in form of the whole videogame market blowing up or the games becoming so "average-joe hand-holding pay-to-win epic-graphics-bro corridor-simulator rushed-sequel feminist-friendly" that none of us will really enjoy them.

A while ago I had a massive discussion with another SegaBits user over the Vita, and it turns out I was right. The Vita offered nothing of value to add to the PSP experience, and that's why it is failing. The same is happening the the PS4/Xbone. Streaming and skyping while playing games is great, but it doesn't add anything to the whole "playing videogames" thing. I believe console gaming is going the wrong way.

The 360/PS3 gen is what pointed gaming in the wrong way. In retrospect I did not like this gen at all, even though I had fun with some great games.
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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2014, 09:13:11 am »
Short answer: Yes it did.

But first, let me oust the bad:

First Person Shooters

FPS were a stale genre during the Xbox 1 / PS2 / GC era, but for some reason they have become the dominant genre and the reason why many games nowadays are so homogenous. RPGs? Nope. Figthing games? Nope. Adventure? Nope. Don't get me wrong, I like FPS as much as the next guy, but please work on something else for a change.

Wii

Personally, while I do concede that the console was a stunning sucess on it's merit, however, there were some negatives. Like it was first console that won a generation and died a sudden death, all the while Nintendo sat on their laurels, also motion controls almost ruined this generation. The Kinect and Move should serve as prime examples that sometimes you shouldn't follow the leader.

Microsoft not giving a flying hoot 'bout exclusives


Once the Xbox 360 knocked the Wii off the throne, MS decided not to invest any time or money into proper exclusives, pay a little extra for maps in Call of Duty and a new Halo that's about it. Who cares about games that don't look like

Paying for online gameplay

Xbox Live Gold subscription was a problem.

Kinect

Nothing needs to be said about this, a terrible attempt to copy the Wii's motion sensors and has done nothing but embarrass the industry as a whole. A modern day Power Glove: paying money for an overpriced, non-functioning product.

Franchise fatigue

Why do we complain 'bout FIFA all the time when it seems like many devs are doing it with their non-sports franchises?
Assasin's Creed every year, Call of Duty every year, Gears of War, new Crysis game.

Royal Mail

Not games related, but lately I've been cussing a lot over the mail service. Since 2012, the quality of delivery services has decrased dramatically. 2 weeks, 3 weeks, sometimes a month when ordering from the UK, all stores seem to take longer than expected.

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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2014, 01:36:46 pm »
You both make very good points and I do agree with them. However, I am not sure as to whether the "last" generation was good or bad as it's hard to tell without looking at mainstream and niche.

Niche games have not exactly relied on DLC and micro-transactions, but the mainstream games did.

Regarding the Royal Mail, they're not the only couriers who have went to shit. They were bought out late last year due to decreasing profits in the public sector. I cashed in on the stocks, because I knew the prices would go back up.

However, I think this is due to the public reliance on the delivery services more than ever before, so they're being collossal pricks about expensive Import Tax (Non-EU), slowish services (EU, but I'm fine with slower deliveries), and price hikes to send stuff out.

The sad thing is that we have no choice and take it to make that little bit of money selling, or paying more for things we want. No other courier will take on Duty/Import Tax at the expense of perhaps a 20 to 40p delivery rise on our end. We shouldn't really be paying for Import Taxes when the country in question makes money from a mere "paperwork "service that has nothing to do with them unless my package is a terrorist bomb. Checks are fine, but don't charge your CITIZEN for that shit, let legit terrorists PAY that shit themselves via jails and fines so that everyone else doesn't have to.

My god, our countries really treat their citizens, the people who MAKE the money in their country like shit by taxing them on even life pleasures such as importing the odd game or DVD here and there.

Sorry Max, you're right given how it's gone to shit, Royal Mail included. Government's taxes are sometimes insane. I don't get "Income Tax" either....so because we are working for a living, we get taxed for working? So taxing us for buying products and shit isn't enough? Watch out Max if they start charging "Hiking" tax just to "stop the pollution Hikers do", which I don't think is outside of the mindset of the countries Governments. Seriously....we get taxed on beer, cigerettes, the HOSPITAL (relevant tax, but still), tax for petrol, tax for driving on the road....when will this shit end? How will ANYONE live if we are taxed at every turn. Income Tax needs to be dropped, I'd be happier importing a lot more if they dropped that tax (as well as tax on petrol, The EU have the highest rates on petrol whilst America get away with paying mere cents for theirs).

This somewhat relates to the Gaming Industry too, they think they can "tax" us with DLC (although optional) and "patches" by giving us broken games at premium prices, but it doesn't work in their little fantasy world.

**Sorry for the rant/off topicness, just hate how taxes work sometimes**
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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2014, 08:12:30 pm »
I once went to England JUST TO PICK UP A DELIVERY. It was a mint condition ZX Spectrum at it wasn't much more expensive to just buy a ticket to England and pick it up there instead of paying for absurd shipping costs. I have half of my family there, so I ended up staying for a couple of days.

Long story short, THEY LOST THE FUCKING PACKAGE. As I'm not a UK citizen I had fuck all knowledge of what to do in such a situation or how to claim my money back from the Royal Mail or something.. So yeah, money down the drain! They never got it back for me. I'm pretty sure someone at the post offices just kept it. We're foreigners what do they care. So yeah... Not a smooth experience at all.

At least I went to a couple museums and that cool fair where it used to be horse stables.
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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2014, 10:18:50 am »
@nameless24

You weren't exactly off-topic, but yikes... I was casually aware that Royal Mail was doing badly, I never dreamed that it was that bad.

I had noticed that I was getting weird delays from my UK orders roughly after May of 2012. I had one or two packages during the Winter, but they refunded me, so no biggie. But for quite some time now, unless I order directly from Amazon or Game.co.uk, both must use some other carrier that I'm not aware of, because most of their orders arrive withtin 5 days, sometimes less. Nowadays, I wait almost as much as if had ordered something from China.

But enough of Royal Mail bashing, there are a ton of issues about this dying generation that need to be discussed.

You mentioned micro-transactions and DLC, which is also a thing I despised greatly this generation. One prime example: Final Fantasy XIII-2, while it's a good game in it's own right, there are a few issues that I cannot figure out, namely the sense that the boxed game was about 60% of the overall experience, whereas the rest was sold off in small packages. If you dropped 49 GBP pounds on this game, with the rest of the DLC it might get just a tad more expensive.

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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2014, 11:17:53 am »
@nameless24

You weren't exactly off-topic, but yikes... I was casually aware that Royal Mail was doing badly, I never dreamed that it was that bad.

I had noticed that I was getting weird delays from my UK orders roughly after May of 2012. I had one or two packages during the Winter, but they refunded me, so no biggie. But for quite some time now, unless I order directly from Amazon or Game.co.uk, both must use some other carrier that I'm not aware of, because most of their orders arrive withtin 5 days, sometimes less. Nowadays, I wait almost as much as if had ordered something from China.

But enough of Royal Mail bashing, there are a ton of issues about this dying generation that need to be discussed.

You mentioned micro-transactions and DLC, which is also a thing I despised greatly this generation. One prime example: Final Fantasy XIII-2, while it's a good game in it's own right, there are a few issues that I cannot figure out, namely the sense that the boxed game was about 60% of the overall experience, whereas the rest was sold off in small packages. If you dropped 49 GBP pounds on this game, with the rest of the DLC it might get just a tad more expensive.

Unfortunately, GAME uses Royal Mail, but Amazon use random couriers (I get Royal Mail, who thankfully are competant under Amazon), so it's really the luck of the draw, but I think you don't get Hermes or Yodel (who have a bad reputation), and I never consider FedEx as they tend to charge you Duty Tax AFTER delivery, which is cheeky as they should do all that before (asking you to pay it a few days later rather than do it all as you deliver it like the RM, their "guide" is a joke, why would I pay FedEx Import Tax if they fucked up?...will never use them again).

Anyways, yeah, I never bothered buying the "Real" ending to Final Fantasy XIII-2 as I don't believe you should buy the ending to it, and it was spoilt to me anyway, so that was hopeless.
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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2014, 05:34:41 pm »
First, what I think about this last gen. I think it sucked, terrible when it contrasts to everything else.
However the following statements are for these consoles, nothing else.

The DS is amazing. First they made it small then they made it big. It is a game creators dream, the DS. Even the new Sonic game on the 3DS is auwsome. The only bad part is how Nintendo dropped, original Gameboy support, and made the carts so damn tiny. The original Gameboy, not the GBA was perfect in size. It keeps on sucking after that. Otherwise, every release on the Wii, PSP, PS3, and etc could be ported to the DS, and be an instant hit, or even better. Just plug that thing into the composite and play. Plus it looks like a Game and Watch as well.

PSP was probably the best investment, a person could make. But a PSP without the UMD is just a PPC. That is why the PSP gets bonus points for being a cheap PPC. All you need is to make phone calls, and watch youtube videos, and you virtually have the worlds smallest micro-computer.

When we talk about HARDCORE GAMING. The PS3 wins, because it is the Japanese developer, and other games that was ported from the 360 bad or good, have been ported to the PS3. However the system from my understanding, gets sloppy seconds, when it comes to software.

360 aka the RED RING OF DEATH, AKA the NOBOXII, AKA the game system whos add-on never was accepted ( HD-DVD ), as the norm. The 360 is basically the new Sega Saturn, or the underdog of the game-verse. Capcom and many Japanese companies tried so hard to promote the game system.
It is also being called an XXX box in some cases. The way I see it, for an mainstream audience of brainwashed young adults, this is their system.

The biggest problem with all of these game systems is the downloadable content. DLC is just another way of saying, I own something I can never sell, or charge a hefty price for. It is called shareware, it is called timelock software. It is like how Halloween Harry and DOOM used to do, with shareware or what software vendors still do today. But your paying for something you can't hold in your hands.

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On the subject of mailing system in Europe, they are corrupted, and they know it. Look at Canada, they want people using UPS going to Canadian citizens to pay twice for crossing the border. You have to think, in a place where medical is government supported, along with animation, why not? I have tons of things from Europe, that sorta fell off the truck, and never fell into my hands. The way I see it, is like how everybody bad mouths "natural born citizens of Amerikan" for stupid war, stupid inhuman rights, etc......you have the same "natural born citizens of your nation, making it difficult for everybody. Like if we all just drop dead, the world would not care a cent about our lives, or why we enjoyed whatever. They will just look at us, as being the r-tards, for investing in the material in the first place.

I know corruption is everywhere, but when it is in your face and your not organize, and you "love" your nation like a wayward child. The only way to fight it, is to be immigrants, live a hermit crab lifestyle, and organize the masses. If I want a good house, I have to pay money to people who would love to see me, in jail, get fired, have my children taken away from me, or somewhere in between. Then just to fight that corruption, I would have to run a half-way house, playing police-nanny, to everybody that enters.

Rome and colony of Haiti, fell was because they had too many slaves that, did not believe in the cause. In our society we got tons of slaves, slaves who are tricked into making a little cash, and feeling they have some Independence, but they our shadowless masters, have it all planned out. They give us something to depend on, give us imaginary pacifiers. Slaves mastering slaves, mastering slaves. A pyramid in a nutshell, but the pyramid loops round and round because everybody is always worshiping, another slave. Billions of examples could be made.

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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2014, 05:52:36 pm »
That's a good point... 'Bout the Xbox 360's failure rate that is. I had mine die twice on me. I've had my 2nd hand Xbox 360 S since 2011 (got it with my very first paycheck), best decision ever.

But still, Microsoft all things considered handled the situation pretty well. True, they wanted to get the 360 to kickstart the new generation asap in 2005 when clearly it was a very bad idea.

But ultimately, it was part goodwill from the consumers and Microsoft willing to take a hit (fixing the RROD was a costly mistake). Shame they didn't take that into consideration post-Xbox One.

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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2014, 10:27:12 pm »


Xbox has never been exceptionally profitable for Microsoft.
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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2014, 10:49:45 pm »
Hardware no, its not about that. Its about having a portal to sell you shit like MP3's, and the lot. Android is free, but they make money on apps, movies and music services that come with the free software (and those ads).

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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2014, 11:19:05 pm »
The bar supposedly represents the entirety of their entertainment division (all things Xbox-related), not just hardware. Haven't you seen the recent reports about investors pressuring Microsoft's new CEO to dump Xbox?
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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2014, 11:47:03 pm »
The 360 was profitable starting at 2008? Is that when they changed the dashboard interface and added all of the ads?
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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2014, 12:33:46 am »
I'm very surprised that the ads have been pretty half ass on these consoles. I mean, would anybody buy a Google game console with Google Ads build into the dash, for a 'percentage' off. 
The bar supposedly represents the entirety of their entertainment division (all things Xbox-related), not just hardware. Haven't you seen the recent reports about investors pressuring Microsoft's new CEO to dump Xbox?
Yes, I did hear that 'rumor', but it won't happen. Right now there is a huge battle for digital stores, Microsoft sucks at it. Period. But they can't give up the fight, or they will be losing billions in the near future. Its not what they are doing, its that they are doing what they do badly. Windows Phone isn't taking off, Xbox One isn't selling as expected and Bing... well... at least they have Skype to run into the ground.

I'm I worried about Microsoft? No, I don't care about the company at all.

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Re: Do you guys think the 7th Generation of Consoles did well?
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2014, 01:10:58 am »
I'm very surprised that the ads have been pretty half ass on these consoles. I mean, would anybody buy a Google game console with Google Ads build into the dash, for a 'percentage' off.  Yes, I did hear that 'rumor', but it won't happen. Right now there is a huge battle for digital stores, Microsoft sucks at it. Period. But they can't give up the fight, or they will be losing billions in the near future. Its not what they are doing, its that they are doing what they do badly. Windows Phone isn't taking off, Xbox One isn't selling as expected and Bing... well... at least they have Skype to run into the ground.

I'm I worried about Microsoft? No, I don't care about the company at all.

No, I agree that it's not likely they'll abandon Xbox -- not at the very beginning of this generation anyway -- but if that division still isn't generating much profit several years down the road, you may not be seeing an Xbox...Two...20...Vista(?)...
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