The Console War..the truth...

[ROJM]

 This is based on console sales that include all the systems up to 2002.

If you look at the Genesis table and the SNES table you see an alarming story

The Genesis was outselling the SNES from 94 to 96..97 was when Sega stopped supporting the system officially. Nintendo never WON the console war in the states or worldwide. 96-97 was when the PSX was shooting off..by 97..the market didn't matter. So we have to look at when it did matter..89-96. And the table which CANNOT be refuted speaks for it self. And its a more up to date table too.

So i don't wanna hear this BS about The genesis reaching its peak or that it didn't do well..or that the MCD bombed or any other crap. Sega products was selling strong at this time. Very strong. That's why SOJ was pissed off at America because they couldn't achieve what SOA did. And never will in my opinion. Nintendo only won because of two things. They were still pushing the system and Japan. But its like saying you won a race because Usain Bolt decided to stop and tie his shoe lace near the end of the race. In the years where the war really mattered, Sega dumped on SNES from a great height and OWNED their asses and was beating them on a regular basis.

What does this mean? Oh this means any game that Sega released that they were pushing..SHINOBI  STREETS OF RAGE...SONIC..EC was more than likely in the majority of american households and more than likely was not only building a reputation but becoming familiar to the public. And guess what..according to TA and SOJ these games didn't matter and weren't important to Saturn..well guess what guys...The Saturn crashed and burned..From one year when Sega was killing it in sales for Genesis to another year where Genesis was still killing it but the Saturn wasn't. And then the decline begins. Right after Kalinske left.

If the Saturn had SONIC..VECTOR MAN...A proper SONIC and SHINOBI game..and other genesis franchises from the beginning..the Saturn would have made a bigger splash than it did.

So the myth that Nintendo won the war is just that..a myth. The evidence on the genesis sales gives you understanding why i said that the Saturn needed Genesis franchises to continue on that system for that System to make any impact in the states. The evidence clearly states that SOA was doing the job SOJ couldn't. And it shows the almost criminal negligence of SOJ destroying SOA to try and prove a fucking point that they eventually lost but nearly dragging the whole company with it.

[Team Andromeda]

LOL 16 bit sales were in decline both in Hardware and software sales that is a fact, even the Sonic on the Mega Drive was seeing sales slip (despite a massive userbase) And there's only one reason why Nintendo keep with the Snes longer than the SEGA did with the Mega Drive and that's the fact that N64 chipset was delayed by over 2 years , so Nintendo had no choice but to stick with the Snes, and what happend as soon as the N64 made it out, Nintendo dropped all In-House support for the system and focused only on the N64 (well bar one Snes Baseball game by RARE )

Even your own link sales for both the Mega Drive and Snes show sales slowing in the mid 90's and also show that they was indeed a market for 32 bit system and why SONY never looked back .

[crackdude]

THANK YOU. I've been saying this for YEARS!

[ROJM]

LOL 16 bit sales were in decline both in Hardware and software sales that is a fact, even the Sonic on the Mega Drive was seeing sales slip (despite a massive userbase) And there's only one reason why Nintendo keep with the Snes longer than the SEGA did with the Mega Drive and that's the fact that N64 chipset was delayed by over 2 years , so Nintendo had no choice but to stick with the Snes, and what happend as soon as the N64 made it out, Nintendo dropped all In-House support for the system and focused only on the N64 (well bar one Snes Baseball game by RARE )

Even your own link sales for both the Mega Drive and Snes show sales slowing in the mid 90's and also show that they was indeed a market for 32 bit system and why SONY never looked back .

LOL the spinner SPINS once again. This chart clearly SHOWS that Sega had the majority of the market. And SOJ THREW it away. So that makes you look like a fool yet again.

And let's not forget you said their sales peaked in 92 93...this chart shows it didn't. So you are wrong again.

Go home kid..you lost on this one.

But i'm sure the Walter Mitty in you will make up sone new lie and fantasy....

[Team Andromeda]

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This chart clearly SHOWS that Sega had the majority of the market

Never said otherwise for the USA , but that charts shows that even in the USA Mega Drive sales were dipping in 1994.


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Sigh do you even look at the charts you produce ? Have a look and see when the best sales of the Mega Drive was . If the market was so strong why did Sonic III and S&K see a major dip in sales, why did the likes of Comix Zone, The Ooze, Vectarman II and host of latter MD games from SEGA see rubbish sales even in America . In th end people were bored of the 16 bit and ready to move on and the only reason Nintendo stuff with the Snes (overlooking it came out 2 years latter than the MD) is because both the Hardware and the Software for the N64  were delayed and delayed.

[Mengels7]

Can we just get you two your own forum to bicker in?

[ROJM]

Saying nothing that matters anymore

I got an idea..why don't you back up what you are saying...

[Centrale]

In American football, there's a phenomenon known as "garbage time." If one team has decisively beaten the other, but there's still a fair amount of time left in the game, the winning team usually rests most of their starters and lets the back-ups play against the losing team in the remaining "garbage time." The losing team is then able to score some points, and often racks up some statistics that look impressive on paper if you hadn't actually watched the game and seen how thoroughly they were beaten.

That's basically what happened with the SNES. It didn't surpass the sales of the Gen/MD until it didn't matter anymore, when the entire industry was moving on into the next generation. When 16-bit was relevant, Sega beat Nintendo decisively.

[ROJM]

Give this man a Kudos..This Kudos from me..and a few others..bud.

[crackdude]

Kudos. Post of the Year. Most Valuable Post. Etc.

[ROJM]

Same for you CD for keeping the faith all these years..and not beliving the hype...SEGA!

[ROJM]

And people think that Sega would have gotten annilated by Sony. No Sega was in a very strong position to take on Sony head on if they had managed things better. If they had made Saturn versions of these games...
 

 

This is the DC game that never came out but you get the point...
 
 

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYKR7MW0WPk&safe=active
 
If Sega had these familar names from a console that DOMINATED the console war on Saturn..there was no way Sony would have gotten to the level that they did when they blastered the competition. That's the REAL reason why the N64 and Nintendo couldn't compete. They were weak because Sega took them to school over an eight year period.  They were in no condition to take on another strong competitor again after the worldwide beating they took., so they were happy with the postition they got with the N64..even though technically it was a failure market wise. And this is when the Gameboy started its role as the only thing bailing them out. A role it repeated in the succesive console battles to come from the PS2/XBX GC until the Wii came out. Sega was too busy infighting among themselves that they didn't realise the competition that was to emerge...and Sony just slipped in and took over. And they lost everything thanks to SOJ's insane obsession to drive what was left of Kalinske's SOA into the ground...
 
If Sega had the sense and  carried on their genesis franchises on the Saturn..the audience they built up on Genesis would have followed the games to the Saturn....and combined with the gems that SOJ ported or created for Saturn...they would have had more than enough to take Sony on toe to toe.
 All Sega needed was the hype man...and we all know they weree good in that. That's if everyone in Sega was on the same page..but of course they weren't and this is how things ended up...
 
 
 

[pirovash88]

I agree with ROJM, growing up with a Sega Genesis and being extremely hooked on everything Sonic related. There was no incentive for me to buy a Saturn when it was released. To be honest, i knew about the Playstation and N64 before i even knew wtf a Sega Saturn was. I knew one kid on the block that had one along with a copy of Panzer Dragoon, but everyone else had a Playstation.

In terms of what Sega was offering on that platform, there was nothing all that compelling. I managed to pick up a Saturn for $30 at a Funcoland in like 01, long after it was already dead..

[ROJM]

KUDOS to you Pirovash...

[ROJM]

Sega leagcy games...
 
Let's look at the hyprocrisy of SOJ..
 
The Master System..never a hit or even had a presence in the united states. But that didn't stop SOJ making sure their big Master System games had Megadrive sequels or versions or that it was released in America...
 

 
 

 
 
 

 
 

 
 

 

 

 
And that's not including the sequels to AFTERBURNER and SPACE HARRIER which also made it to the Megadrive/Genesis. So let's get one thing straight...The Master System which sold like shit in Japan and the states..managed to not only see its Sega leagcy titles get Megadrive sequels...but in the case of PHANTASY STAR a megadrive port too!
 
Then nine years later..The Genesis which dominated the American market..which dominated Hong Kong and asia apart from Japan. Which dominated UK and Europe. Which dominated Brazil(after Master System)..Whose games that was big sellers on that system..SOJ decides..out of the F'ng Blue not to put ANY of their big Genesis games onto the Saturn? Including Sonic?
Now is that logical? What was the reasoning behind that? Oh i'm tired? And SOJ were such good bosses that they said..never mind Naka were willing to lose money out of the hottest thing you didn't create..you do what you want and we sit by losing the world market outside of japan because you cn't be bothered.
Or..those gaijin basterds have made us look like fools. They have done what we couldn't even do. But we shall show them who is the boss. We will prove to them and the industry that what SOA can do ..we can do better..The saturn will be bigger than Genesis..why? Because were japanese and were SOJ..
 
No more excuses of this era..i showed you guys the evidence. There is no doubt..who won the console war..where sega was..and how popular they were..