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Offline Artwark

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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #75 on: December 23, 2015, 09:57:37 pm »
Name me a single SEGA game that has had game breaking bugs? The worst offender is probably the Total War series but they're also some of the most complex games going, Nintendo haven't even come close to attempting to programming something so complex. It's easy not to have bugs when your games are mainly simple platformers.


Also, to say the new Valkyria game looks like Fire Emblem is... ridiculous. You know fantasy setting SRPGs existed before Fire Emblem right?


I said it sounds like it, not what it looks like. The permadeath etc is something that Fire Emblem is known for and the approach sounds like they are literally copying it instead of doing something different.


Sure, SRPG's existed before Fire Emblem, but Fire Emblem is the one that revived the genre.


Fine, you believe what you want and as I said, time will tell whether SEGA is worth getting into at this point of time. Just know that the Sonic's fanbase patience is wearing thin and if SEGA screws up the next Sonic game, they lost a MAJOR audience.


Give me a list of IP's that SEGA is using at this very point and the result would be that its extremely low. Who cares about their western studios if internally they can't make great games to begin with besides VC.


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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #76 on: December 23, 2015, 10:15:13 pm »
To be fair to everyone here, everyone's happy that Sony's giving Yakuza 5 a chance since most people here want to at least play as many of the mainline titles as possible.

I recall a Nintendo fan arguing with me about Nintendo doing mature titles and apparently SEGA only caters to the mature audience, when that is simply not true. Fire Emblem I would class as a game many teens and young adults play, but you rarely see the games go out of their way to promote gore, sex and prostitution, so it's a fairly tame franchise (and I like that). Nintendo knows their audience and they do it so well which is why they make profits. The same goes for SEGA, they try to go for whichever audience their games cater to. :)

SEGA games aren't perfect, but they are never game breakingly buggy. Now, in regards to Nintendo, their own games haven't had the best record as many seem to claim. There's a glitch in some of the Pokemon games (even White/Black 2 has a bug in the double battles where if both of your pokemon faint, you can't continue as the game only lets you swap "1" pokemon). I do agree that Nintendo's record is better than many other companies, but I have found problems in some of their own games that I can't defend (and to this day, some of them I refuse to play because of said glitches such as Super Paper Mario in European copies).

Regarding the playing it safe response. Nintendo do take risks now and again, but I don't honestly blame them for using the tried and tested formula (would you go to a Butchers to buy their new Bread products?), I do believe a balance is better for both SEGA and Nintendo, to which I believe SEGA is at least getting there.

I honestly feel sorry for Nintendo due to losing a great programmer, but they do have plans to move forward and hopefully do what they do best.

I understand if you don't like SEGA games quite as much as the users here do, but they are not as bad as you would suggest. I would recommend you a few SEGA games if you want? :)



@FlareHabanero: Agree 100%, and it's sad to see that Segalization exists because of the lack of confidence in localisations. :(


I played the european version of Super Paper Mario and I haven't encountered any glitches that would ruin the experience....you are missing out on a great game if you refuse to play the whole of it. Its story is still deep enough.


And yeah, I'd like some SEGA games recommendations as of now or previously.

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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #77 on: December 23, 2015, 10:15:57 pm »
Internally the company is perfectly capable of making quality products. Project Diva, Puyo Puyo, Yakuza, Valkyria Chronicles, and Phantasy Star Online are examples. The actual problem is marketing and localizing said titles so people actually buy and play them.

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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #78 on: December 23, 2015, 10:44:32 pm »

I said it sounds like it, not what it looks like. The permadeath etc is something that Fire Emblem is known for and the approach sounds like they are literally copying it instead of doing something different.
Valkyria Chronicles has had perma-death since the very first game and it works differently than in Fire Emblem... Evidently you've not played VC.


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Sure, SRPG's existed before Fire Emblem, but Fire Emblem is the one that revived the genre.
The genre never died.


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Just know that the Sonic's fanbase patience is wearing thin and if SEGA screws up the next Sonic game, they lost a MAJOR audience.
For once you've said something I agree with.


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Give me a list of IP's that SEGA is using at this very point and the result would be that its extremely low.
For the sake of not being here all day, I won't list the many popular Arcade only series SEGA have like Boarder Break, CHUNITHM, Wonderland Wars, Star Horse or MaiMai ect, ect... And for your benefit, so you don't look toooo silly I won't include the long list of popular mobile only games like Monster Gear, War Pirates, Hortensia Saga or The World Ends Eclipse ect, ect.

So, counting only recently used IP's for console/handheld/PC.

-Sonic the Hedgehog
-Phantasy Star Online
-Phantasy Star (offline rpg series)
-Valkyria Chronicles
-7th Dragon
-Yakuza/Ryu Ga Gotoku
-Project Diva
-FootBall Manager
-Total War
-Stella Glow
-Shining series
-Denki Bunko Climax Fighting
-Miracle Girls Festival
-Warhammer
-Dawn of War
-Puyo Puyo
-Mario and Sonic 2016
-Chain Chronicles
-Persona
-SMT
-Odin Sphere
-Etrian Odyssey
-Alien Isolation
-Tembo



Of course there have been updates to these classic IP's recently so they must count:
-Outrun
-Fantasy Zone
-After Burner
-Thunder Blade
-Streets of Rage
-Ecco
-Galaxy Force
-Shinobi
-Power Drift
-Space Harrier
-Golden Axe


There are easily many more, this was off the top of my head...

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Who cares about their western studios if internally they can't make great games to begin with besides VC.
They make plenty of great games beside VC... And lots of people care about their western studios, it's why Microsoft has contracted Creative Assembly to develop Halo Wars 2.
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Offline Artwark

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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #79 on: December 24, 2015, 02:25:26 am »
Valkyria Chronicles has had perma-death since the very first game and it works differently than in Fire Emblem... Evidently you've not played VC.

The genre never died.

For once you've said something I agree with.

For the sake of not being here all day, I won't list the many popular Arcade only series SEGA have like Boarder Break, CHUNITHM, Wonderland Wars, Star Horse or MaiMai ect, ect... And for your benefit, so you don't look toooo silly I won't include the long list of popular mobile only games like Monster Gear, War Pirates, Hortensia Saga or The World Ends Eclipse ect, ect.

So, counting only recently used IP's for console/handheld/PC.

-Sonic the Hedgehog
-Phantasy Star Online
-Phantasy Star (offline rpg series)
-Valkyria Chronicles
-7th Dragon
-Yakuza/Ryu Ga Gotoku
-Project Diva
-FootBall Manager
-Total War
-Stella Glow
-Shining series
-Denki Bunko Climax Fighting
-Miracle Girls Festival
-Warhammer
-Dawn of War
-Puyo Puyo
-Mario and Sonic 2016
-Chain Chronicles
-Persona
-SMT
-Odin Sphere
-Etrian Odyssey
-Alien Isolation
-Tembo



Of course there have been updates to these classic IP's recently so they must count:
-Outrun
-Fantasy Zone
-After Burner
-Thunder Blade
-Streets of Rage
-Ecco
-Galaxy Force
-Shinobi
-Power Drift
-Space Harrier
-Golden Axe


There are easily many more, this was off the top of my head...
They make plenty of great games beside VC... And lots of people care about their western studios, it's why Microsoft has contracted Creative Assembly to develop Halo Wars 2.


At this point, nothing is really convincing you that interms of the western market, Only VC and Sonic are worth checking out. So yeah, I guess time will tell whether SEGA is stupid to ignore E3 again like this year (I'd be fine if they announce games within Sony/Microsoft or even Nintendo's directs) time will tell just how its going to be.


As for the arcades, really? You are counting on millions of arcades that are exclusively in Japan that can't let everyone else play it?


Mobile and PC.....what about it? Most of them are published by them. That's like saying that a publisher is also a developer because somehow they know games better. You can say the same logic for Pokemon and it won't make any sense because its developed by Game Freak and not by Nintendo.


And as I've stated earlier....the only real reason SEGA is alive is because of them having western studios and Atlus. Besides that, they literally have nothing but their arcades and a bad mouth for the western market. So yeah...if next year SEGA announces the next Phantasy Star game for the west or makes a fine quality Sonic game....well I'll be dammed (They actually can do it...its just that they are too stupid to not understand quality).


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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #80 on: December 24, 2015, 02:35:22 am »
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Mario fair enough, but I never understood what people see in Zelda... It has had the same formula since the 90's, never brings much new to the table, never cutting edge because of Nintendo's hardware limitations.



Hey I agree with you on Zelda, but SEGA is now doing the same with Yakuza - A game which brings nothing new over Shenmue and is just the same with each so called new instalment.


I what amazing tech do SEGA Japan have ? . Even the Wii U is more powerful than most mobile phone bases SEGA Japan likes to back.


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Why are you such a passive aggressive asshole
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Insults now ? . That's the trouble when one becomes a fanboy , It wasn't so long ago that the likes of you were saying consoles were dead and how Mobile and Tablets were the future and how their interface suited SEGA and their Arcade Teams . Simple facts are even with this so called Mobile boom SEGA made less profits than the likes of Capcom and to most gamers they just don't care about SEGA anymore .

You keep going on about PC other than 3 games , SEGA doesn't have much of a focus on PC's at all, on consoles SEGA name isn't great and neither are its sales and mobile well most games we'll never ever be able to play. And you really become desperate when one needs to include the likes of Powerdrift in SEGA IP- when retro packs are nothing at all new and having to list the likes of Shenmue III and Rez are just as bad imo


For all this talk of SEGA and how much you love them... SEGA haven't made a game that makes you wanted a new next gen console; not like the old SEGA could ... One look at a 10% complete JSRF made me want a XBox from day one . One play of Monkeball on my mates import Cube made me get the Cube on its USA launch with Super Monkeyball. One look at Val on the PS3 made me get a PS3 . All new games not some reprint of classic games or a crappy mobile download, that's the old SEGA that I knew and used to love


What amazing SEGA games have you bought over the last year ?   



 
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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #81 on: December 24, 2015, 03:26:38 am »



Hey I agree with you on Zelda, but SEGA is now doing the same with Yakuza - A game which brings nothing new over Shenmue and is just the same with each so called new instalment.


I what amazing tech do SEGA Japan have ? . Even the Wii U is more powerful than most mobile phone bases SEGA Japan likes to back.


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Insults now ? . That's the trouble when one becomes a fanboy , It wasn't so long ago that the likes of you were saying consoles were dead and how Mobile and Tablets were the future and how their interface suited SEGA and their Arcade Teams . Simple facts are even with this so called Mobile boom SEGA made less profits than the likes of Capcom and to most gamers they just don't care about SEGA anymore .

You keep going on about PC other than 3 games , SEGA doesn't have much of a focus on PC's at all, on consoles SEGA name isn't great and neither are its sales and mobile well most games we'll never ever be able to play. And you really become desperate when one needs to include the likes of Powerdrift in SEGA IP- when retro packs are nothing at all new and having to list the likes of Shenmue III and Rez are just as bad imo


For all this talk of SEGA and how much you love them... SEGA haven't made a game that makes you wanted a new next gen console; not like the old SEGA could ... One look at a 10% complete JSRF made me want a XBox from day one . One play of Monkeball on my mates import Cube made me get the Cube on its USA launch with Super Monkeyball. One look at Val on the PS3 made me get a PS3 . All new games not some reprint of classic games or a crappy mobile download, that's the old SEGA that I knew and used to love


What amazing SEGA games have you bought over the last year ?   



 



This completely....except that I disagree with the Zelda thing but everything else, heck yes.


Sonic Runners......do you know how boring that game gets? Its not fun at all and its all because of one simple problem. Its microtransactions.


If SEGA was really adamant on releasing 3D Classics on 3DS, then why in the hell can't they make a brand new game that makes use of it?


And that's the real problem here. Internally, what are they doing? All I hear from them internally is that they make some sorry excuses here and there and then when they release their games, they make sorry excuses again...... Recently the CEO of SEGA is NOW saying that we will focus on quality when THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO DELIVER QUALITY FROM THE START!?!?!?


I feel sorry for those employees really. Its like they don't have a choice but do what's told and even if they do that, their chances of them losing their jobs are high because of the community management.


Look, I'm not complaining here. Infact, there are loads of SEGA games that I bought time and time again. My request is simple....whatever SEGA does, they have to do it right. If they release a game on 3DS, Wii U, PS4 and ONE, make it right. And as of now, since they haven't really made much of releases, its hard to say whether their games are quality or not.


I'm harsh here, I'll admit it. Some of my comments are really rude and yes, I've hurted some. But honestly, most of you guys are defending them even when they haven't promised you a lot.


Yuji Naka single handedly made SEGA the legendary it is of 90's and sure he didn't do a LOT like Miyamoto-San did but its enough to say that if Sonic weren't around, SEGA wouldn't be able to make the Genesis into a reality.
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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #82 on: December 24, 2015, 04:48:39 am »
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And that's the real problem here. Internally, what are they doing



Endless outsourcing , Yakuza and mobile and that's the new SEGA Japan . Maybe there's hope the Sonic Team will start to deliver on the next gen


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then why in the hell can't they make a brand new game that makes use of it



Cheaper easier to outsource and raid SEGA classic IP of old . Rather develop In-House sequels, that's Sammy SEGA for you. Thing is in 20 years time Sammy have no classic SEGA Ip to raid because they've made so little classics compared to the old CSK SEGA.
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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #83 on: December 24, 2015, 05:34:01 am »

I said it sounds like it, not what it looks like. The permadeath etc is something that Fire Emblem is known for and the approach sounds like they are literally copying it instead of doing something different.


Sure, SRPG's existed before Fire Emblem, but Fire Emblem is the one that revived the genre.

First of all permenant death have been around in games longer and with far bigger games than Fire Emblem. Using a single feature to say this is a copying of the formula is the same as saying Sonic and Metroid are the same because both characters can turn into a ball. It's fairly ludicrous when Valkyria is going to turn out to be closer to an action RPG.

You're second point is pretty silly when SEGA's last Valkyria game was in 2011 and the current Valkyria isn't even a SRPG.

Maybe it's time you give up because it seems you're content with moving goal posts and don't really seem to have any singular point to your discussion except SEGA is really bad and Nintendo is great, I wish the latter goes bankrupt and stripped down for my own personal reasons and Nintendo can revive them (which is completely outside the realms of possibility.)

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Yuji Naka single handedly made SEGA the legendary it is of 90's and sure he didn't do a LOT like Miyamoto-San did but its enough to say that if Sonic weren't around, SEGA wouldn't be able to make the Genesis into a reality.

EH now that I've read this it's easy to see how you come to such a poor conclusion and seem to hardly research the subject matters.

And the Mega Drive was out before Sonic anyway.
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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #84 on: December 24, 2015, 06:22:59 am »
First of all permenant death have been around in games longer and with far bigger games than Fire Emblem. Using a single feature to say this is a copying of the formula is the same as saying Sonic and Metroid are the same because both characters can turn into a ball. It's fairly ludicrous when Valkyria is going to turn out to be closer to an action RPG.

You're second point is pretty silly when SEGA's last Valkyria game was in 2011 and the current Valkyria isn't even a SRPG.

Maybe it's time you give up because it seems you're content with moving goal posts and don't really seem to have any singular point to your discussion except SEGA is really bad and Nintendo is great, I wish the latter goes bankrupt and stripped down for my own personal reasons and Nintendo can revive them (which is completely outside the realms of possibility.)

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EH now that I've read this it's easy to see how you come to such a poor conclusion and seem to hardly research the subject matters.

And the Mega Drive was out before Sonic anyway.


VC isn't anywhere as charming and the permadeath in that game isn't well thought out unlike Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is known for its charm in characters....something that the new Valkyria game is going to do and I said that it SOUNDS like a Fire Emblem ripoff and not LOOKING like one. Also, there's a difference between Sonic and Metroid but I don't want to go into detail about it.


Genesis was out before Sonic but if it weren't for Naka-San, Genesis wouldn't be able to compete with SNES because Nintendo at the time no matter what games they had, they still have Mario and that's something that SEGA needed to do...competing against him which Naka-San did. Talk about logic here.


Let me spell out here. You are defending SEGA by saying that SEGA and Sega sammy are completely different. Whether they are differences between them or not, they are losing more and more of their audiences if they keep doing dump decisions like how they just did now. Not being in E3 whatsoever because of their american division moving to San Francisco, Announcing Fire And Ice.....and lastly, not releasing much of games in this year.


Arcades......well can you tell me where I can play their arcades in the western market? Why oh why are you defending them on releasing things that aren't in the west? That sounds like you are worshipping them even if they haven't released anything for you. Nintendo has a Rhythm Heaven game for the 3DS in Japan and I swear that if that game isn't released in the west (and I'm saying this because it does do well here in the west) then I'll be angry at NoA because they decide what works in the west and what doesn't and its their fault that we can't get games like the exclusively Japan region Fire Emblem games from NES-GBA.


Mobile and PC........Again, the only reason why the hell they are profitable there is because of western studios and as the previous comment stated.......Phantasy Star can't even beat Monster Hunter the only IP that Capcom ever has to survive. Sad how SEGA can't even compete to the likes of Capcom let alone Nintendo for that matter. Infact, despite their annoying decisions, I can say that Capcom is better than SEGA in many ways.


While we're at it, let's talk PC.....Besides the Genesis and a few Dreamcast games along with some console ported games, what the hell did they just release brand new as of now? And I'm talking about an IP that they dedicated so much and released it into PC. Don't you dare mention any console games that they ported to PC's because that doesn't count. I'm talking about games they have released EXCLUSIVELY on PC. And publishing doesn't count. I'm talking internally like solid exclusive PC gaming in mind....what the hell did they release exclusively on PC?


Phantasy Star Online 2 which already got a PC release is now getting a PS4 port? What bloody sense does that make? They stated that they will focus on Mobile and PC market and yet, they are wasting money on porting their games to consoles? Yeah......that's a head scratch right there. I'd rather see them do a NEW phantasy star game than PORT an already perfect game on console.


Nintendo is better than SEGA because while they still can't satisfy everyone and are often criticised for not making their systems powerful, they atleast make games that a LOT of people want. I love Mario games and I'll be DAMMED if Nintendo never made a new Mario game for their next console NX. They take their time and dedication to make quality games in the end. Other M wasn't criticised for its existence. It was criticized for its story..that's it. Recent games that Nintendo had this year weren't developed by them but they published them. You can't say that they are to be blamed because they had no involvement when they only publish games.


Which is why SEGA as a whole is a joke. Publishing wise, they do mixed. Some are fine and others are a joke. Development wise is also the same. You can say praise for SEGA because of them publishing games that they didn't involve in yet put your thumb down on Nintendo for just doing the same for this year? Its publishing not developing.


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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #85 on: December 24, 2015, 10:56:31 am »
Good, goooood. Let the hate flow through you!

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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #86 on: December 24, 2015, 10:56:51 am »
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At this point, nothing is really convincing you that interms of the western market, Only VC and Sonic are worth checking out.
Opinion.

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And as I've stated earlier....the only real reason SEGA is alive is because of them having western studios and Atlus. Besides that, they literally have nothing but their arcades and a bad mouth for the western market.

You can keep stating it from now until the cows come home, it wont make it any more true...


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VC isn't anywhere as charming and the permadeath in that game isn't well thought out unlike Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is known for its charm in characters....something that the new Valkyria game is going to do and I said that it SOUNDS like a Fire Emblem ripoff and not LOOKING like one.



If there was ever any doubt you're just a ranging Nintendo fanboy here to spout some shit, there isn't anymore.
Please explain to me how the perma death in Fire Emblem is better thought out. Go into detail.
Everything else, about 'charm' is just a matter of opinion.


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Nintendo is better because blah blah I'm a fanboy
This is all YOUR OPINION, dickhead. You're on a SEGA forum of a SEGA fansite, amongst SEGA fans to tell us that Nintendo are better? You're like the Spanish Inquisition invading someone else's culture to save our souls by telling us what we enjoy is the wrong. Thanks for being a martyr bro, but I reckon we'll be fine.

You've made it pretty clear you're not here to discuss SEGA, you're here to preach your opinion like it's a fact and I'm getting pretty bored of you now...

Now taking votes on whether we should ban this guy?


For the record, personally, I find Nintendo are nothing short of embarrassing; Their consoles are third rate, their online service sucks, the VC is poorly handled, their line up is sparse, the Amiibos are paid DLC disguised as cheap plastic tat..., Their attitude towards Youtube streamers is gross, Oh and the new 3DS doesn't come with a fucking charger! I mean, how fucking sleazy can a company get?
They're lucky that they release a good game once in a blue moon because literally everything else they do is cheap, third rate, lazy or just plain sleazy.



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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #87 on: December 24, 2015, 11:10:10 am »
I'm talking about games they have released EXCLUSIVELY on PC. And publishing doesn't count. I'm talking internally like solid exclusive PC gaming in mind....what the hell did they release exclusively on PC?

Have you like...ignored the vast majority of the past 9 or so years of Sega Europe's Output? Because if you have, I can see why you would be asking this question. If not, I'm not sure why you asked in the first place.

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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #88 on: December 24, 2015, 11:29:14 am »
Have you like...ignored the vast majority of the past 9 or so years of Sega Europe's Output? Because if you have, I can see why you would be asking this question. If not, I'm not sure why you asked in the first place.

Mate, he has demonstrated time and time again in this thread that he knows fuck all about SEGA as a company, their business practice, their financial situation or even their games... He's played a few Sonic games and he's heard of Valkyria Chronicles... That's about as far as it goes.

Came here to let us know he wants SEGA to go bankrupt so Nintendo can buy them. A hilarious, poorly thought out pipe dream that could never happen...
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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #89 on: December 24, 2015, 12:42:24 pm »
He hasn't been rude or belligerent so isn't a ban is out of the question?  You can easily ignore this topic and his opinions.