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Offline Aki-at

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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #90 on: December 24, 2015, 01:51:44 pm »
VC isn't anywhere as charming and the permadeath in that game isn't well thought out unlike Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is known for its charm in characters....something that the new Valkyria game is going to do and I said that it SOUNDS like a Fire Emblem ripoff and not LOOKING like one. Also, there's a difference between Sonic and Metroid but I don't want to go into detail about it.

Sounds like you aren't even doing any research into the subject it seems. Just with this topic, you're turning this into some versus debate saying x franchises is poor compared to y franchise.

Genesis was out before Sonic but if it weren't for Naka-San, Genesis wouldn't be able to compete with SNES because Nintendo at the time no matter what games they had, they still have Mario and that's something that SEGA needed to do...competing against him which Naka-San did. Talk about logic here.

Seems you aren't well versed in the history of the 16 bit generation. For starters SEGA already overcame Nintendo in Europe with the Master System, the next challenge was America which although Sonic played a part wasn't the single reason they managed to get a foodhold in the US.

Let me spell out here. You are defending SEGA by saying that SEGA and Sega sammy are completely different. Whether they are differences between them or not, they are losing more and more of their audiences if they keep doing dump decisions like how they just did now. Not being in E3 whatsoever because of their american division moving to San Francisco, Announcing Fire And Ice.....and lastly, not releasing much of games in this year.

No you referenced a silly video that made the mistake of comparing SEGA's profits when it was the profits of the whole group. SEGA's gaming division has seen growth in the last three years, this is what you seem to not understand.

Arcades......well can you tell me where I can play their arcades in the western market? Why oh why are you defending them on releasing things that aren't in the west? That sounds like you are worshipping them even if they haven't released anything for you. Nintendo has a Rhythm Heaven game for the 3DS in Japan and I swear that if that game isn't released in the west (and I'm saying this because it does do well here in the west) then I'll be angry at NoA because they decide what works in the west and what doesn't and its their fault that we can't get games like the exclusively Japan region Fire Emblem games from NES-GBA.

Projecting.

Mobile and PC........Again, the only reason why the hell they are profitable there is because of western studios and as the previous comment stated.......Phantasy Star can't even beat Monster Hunter the only IP that Capcom ever has to survive. Sad how SEGA can't even compete to the likes of Capcom let alone Nintendo for that matter. Infact, despite their annoying decisions, I can say that Capcom is better than SEGA in many ways.

Chain Chronicle makes more money than every series SEGA owns.

Phantasy Star not being able to beat a series that does 4 million is not a bad thing.

Capcom being better than SEGA is subjective but I don't see why you feel the need to continually turn this into some versus topic, that's not good discussion, that's fanboyish behavior.

While we're at it, let's talk PC.....Besides the Genesis and a few Dreamcast games along with some console ported games, what the hell did they just release brand new as of now? And I'm talking about an IP that they dedicated so much and released it into PC. Don't you dare mention any console games that they ported to PC's because that doesn't count. I'm talking about games they have released EXCLUSIVELY on PC. And publishing doesn't count. I'm talking internally like solid exclusive PC gaming in mind....what the hell did they release exclusively on PC?

Phantasy Star Online 2 which already got a PC release is now getting a PS4 port? What bloody sense does that make? They stated that they will focus on Mobile and PC market and yet, they are wasting money on porting their games to consoles? Yeah......that's a head scratch right there. I'd rather see them do a NEW phantasy star game than PORT an already perfect game on console.

Nintendo is better than SEGA because while they still can't satisfy everyone and are often criticised for not making their systems powerful, they atleast make games that a LOT of people want. I love Mario games and I'll be DAMMED if Nintendo never made a new Mario game for their next console NX. They take their time and dedication to make quality games in the end. Other M wasn't criticised for its existence. It was criticized for its story..that's it. Recent games that Nintendo had this year weren't developed by them but they published them. You can't say that they are to be blamed because they had no involvement when they only publish games.

Which is why SEGA as a whole is a joke. Publishing wise, they do mixed. Some are fine and others are a joke. Development wise is also the same. You can say praise for SEGA because of them publishing games that they didn't involve in yet put your thumb down on Nintendo for just doing the same for this year? Its publishing not developing.

This is verging on inconsistent ramblings, I don't even get what your point is. I mean you excuse Nintendo's poor games because they published the games, not developed them, then lap up the blame on SEGA with titles like Sonic Boom?

You've talked about SEGA's profits going down (They haven't, SEGA Sammy has, but the gaming divisions has gone up) you've mentioned how SEGA hardly make glitch free games (Which you were proven wrong) dreamed about Nintendo acquiring them (outside the realms of possibility) and well absolve Nintendo of all blame.

Now taking votes on whether we should ban this guy?

Disagree as much as I disagree with his arguments. But I do feel if there isn't any solid base for discussion in this topic and turning into a cheap Nintendo vs SEGA thread full of subjective opinions then there's little point keeping it open but I'll leave it to George/Barry to decide that.

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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #91 on: December 24, 2015, 03:01:59 pm »
SEGA haven't made a game that makes you wanted a new next gen console; not like the old SEGA could ... One look at a 10% complete JSRF made me want a XBox from day one . One play of Monkeball on my mates import Cube made me get the Cube on its USA launch with Super Monkeyball. One look at Val on the PS3 made me get a PS3 . All new games not some reprint of classic games or a crappy mobile download, that's the old SEGA that I knew and used to love

Certain people are regularily saying that they would buy PS4 for games like Yakuza, VC and also PSO2 (of course if they come West).



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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #92 on: December 24, 2015, 03:21:12 pm »
I'm one of those people.

I was planning on buying a PS4 when U4 was released, but it's been pushed back till April now. Quantum Break releases the same month for XBOX, so I'll just buy that instead.

Anyways, I wouldn't ban the kid for having a difference of opinion. If he starts trolling, that's something different.
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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #93 on: December 24, 2015, 04:48:03 pm »
Funny that people here are going around talking about Valkyria Chronicles copied Fire Emblem (Lol wtf), when the team literally just copied them this year with Project STEAM, which was a big flop. But hey, if Nintendo does it, its a-ok.

As for SEGA's next generation outing. We will actually see what they have this year, since the company went through a huge restructure.
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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #94 on: December 24, 2015, 05:09:36 pm »
Funny that people here are going around talking about Valkyria Chronicles copied Fire Emblem (Lol wtf), when the team literally just copied them this year with Project STEAM, which was a big flop. But hey, if Nintendo does it, its a-ok.
Hah, good point.  Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. looks like a pretty shameful rip-off from Valkyria Chronicles

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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #95 on: December 24, 2015, 06:14:11 pm »
Funny that people here are going around talking about Valkyria Chronicles copied Fire Emblem (Lol wtf), when the team literally just copied them this year with Project STEAM, which was a big flop. But hey, if Nintendo does it, its a-ok. 

Just checked it out, Ahahaha that was hideous, what a shitty looking rip-off!
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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #96 on: December 24, 2015, 06:36:51 pm »
Rad Rappy

He's here for the soul purpose of telling people SEGA sucks and Nintendo is great, he wont listen to any counter argument and it has boiled down to 'you're wrong and I'm right' and fanboy wars. At what point is it too much? When the forum fills up with this nonsense? I personally think nipping this kind of crap in the bud is the right move.
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Re: The Future of SEGA (A Nintendo fanboy rants incoherently)
« Reply #97 on: December 24, 2015, 08:35:14 pm »
Rad Rappy

He's here for the soul purpose of telling people SEGA sucks and Nintendo is great, he wont listen to any counter argument and it has boiled down to 'you're wrong and I'm right' and fanboy wars. At what point is it too much? When the forum fills up with this nonsense? I personally think nipping this kind of crap in the bud is the right move.


His commentary was unconstructive and very misinformed (Nintendo is in enough hot water atm to even think about acquiring anyone) but I dont think banning him sends the right message.  Youve already demolished most of his points, that should encourage him to be more thoughtful in the future.  A ban would just make it seem to outsiders like any unwelcome opinions would lead to a ban, even if it werent true.
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Re: The Future of SEGA (A Nintendo fanboy rants incoherently)
« Reply #98 on: December 24, 2015, 08:49:18 pm »


His commentary was unconstructive and very misinformed (Nintendo is in enough hot water atm to even think about acquiring anyone) but I dont think banning him sends the right message.  Youve already demolished most of his points, that should encourage him to be more thoughtful in the future.  A ban would just make it seem to outsiders like any unwelcome opinions would lead to a ban, even if it werent true.

Fair assessment. Though I think there is plenty of room for dissenting voices... We have a few on the forum. Constructive criticism is welcome long as the poster makes a lick of sense, listen to others and proves to be reasonable. This guy, so far, has proven to be none of those...

I won't ban him, but if this topic continues the way it's going it'll be locked... The topic has moved so far from the initial post because every time he is proven wrong he moved the goal posts.
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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #99 on: December 24, 2015, 09:34:11 pm »
Opinion.
 
You can keep stating it from now until the cows come home, it wont make it any more true...




If there was ever any doubt you're just a ranging Nintendo fanboy here to spout some shit, there isn't anymore.
Please explain to me how the perma death in Fire Emblem is better thought out. Go into detail.
Everything else, about 'charm' is just a matter of opinion.

This is all YOUR OPINION, dickhead. You're on a SEGA forum of a SEGA fansite, amongst SEGA fans to tell us that Nintendo are better? You're like the Spanish Inquisition invading someone else's culture to save our souls by telling us what we enjoy is the wrong. Thanks for being a martyr bro, but I reckon we'll be fine.

You've made it pretty clear you're not here to discuss SEGA, you're here to preach your opinion like it's a fact and I'm getting pretty bored of you now...

Now taking votes on whether we should ban this guy?


For the record, personally, I find Nintendo are nothing short of embarrassing; Their consoles are third rate, their online service sucks, the VC is poorly handled, their line up is sparse, the Amiibos are paid DLC disguised as cheap plastic tat..., Their attitude towards Youtube streamers is gross, Oh and the new 3DS doesn't come with a fucking charger! I mean, how fucking sleazy can a company get?
They're lucky that they release a good game once in a blue moon because literally everything else they do is cheap, third rate, lazy or just plain sleazy.


Can you honestly call yourself a mod? Because a Mod would like have better things to do instead of making a mockery out of some Nintendo fan.


Also, you do realize that SEGA makes the most profit out of Nintendo products right? Like Atlus supporting the life out of the 3DS and Wii U?


You're comparing a first party to a third party? wow. I can really guarantee you that Nintendo would actually be fine without SEGA helping them in any way possible. If anything, SEGA wouldn't make so much of money if they didn't make games for Nintendo to begin with.


I think I'm done here. Its clear that most of you aren't open minded about the subject. When I said that they haven't released much games on PC exclusively, I'm talking about on windows only not something they did years ago.


You know what? I don't mind being banned because clearly you're not open minded. I said this many times ago but the only reason why SEGA isn't in bad shape is because of the buyouts they did.


You say fanboy behaviour is a problem? Then what about you guys ranting about Nintendo being horrible and cursing them and praising the hell out of SEGA? I get that this a SEGA forum but even Nintendolife is better than you. Atleast they don't rant a lot like you claiming that SEGA is better than Nintendo. I clearly said that Nintendo isn't going to satisfy everyone but they atleast deliver great games year after year.....which in SEGA is a mix bag.



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Re: The Future of SEGA
« Reply #100 on: December 24, 2015, 09:48:11 pm »
Sounds like you aren't even doing any research into the subject it seems. Just with this topic, you're turning this into some versus debate saying x franchises is poor compared to y franchise.

Seems you aren't well versed in the history of the 16 bit generation. For starters SEGA already overcame Nintendo in Europe with the Master System, the next challenge was America which although Sonic played a part wasn't the single reason they managed to get a foodhold in the US.

No you referenced a silly video that made the mistake of comparing SEGA's profits when it was the profits of the whole group. SEGA's gaming division has seen growth in the last three years, this is what you seem to not understand.

Projecting.

Chain Chronicle makes more money than every series SEGA owns.

Phantasy Star not being able to beat a series that does 4 million is not a bad thing.

Capcom being better than SEGA is subjective but I don't see why you feel the need to continually turn this into some versus topic, that's not good discussion, that's fanboyish behavior.

This is verging on inconsistent ramblings, I don't even get what your point is. I mean you excuse Nintendo's poor games because they published the games, not developed them, then lap up the blame on SEGA with titles like Sonic Boom?

You've talked about SEGA's profits going down (They haven't, SEGA Sammy has, but the gaming divisions has gone up) you've mentioned how SEGA hardly make glitch free games (Which you were proven wrong) dreamed about Nintendo acquiring them (outside the realms of possibility) and well absolve Nintendo of all blame.

Disagree as much as I disagree with his arguments. But I do feel if there isn't any solid base for discussion in this topic and turning into a cheap Nintendo vs SEGA thread full of subjective opinions then there's little point keeping it open but I'll leave it to George/Barry to decide that.


Sonic Boom is SEGA's fault because they didn't give the developers the time to make a finished game. Ok fine, Maybe I don't know SEGA in the big figure here but the fact of the matter is, if this keeps up, SEGA will lost audience.


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Re: The Future of SEGA (A Nintendo fanboy rants incoherently)
« Reply #101 on: December 24, 2015, 10:05:50 pm »
Literally not a single person here has ever said the words 'SEGA are better than Nintendo' but you sure as hell have said Nintendo is better than SEGA, more than once too. See that is your biggest problem... The entire basis of your argument hinges on the fact that you don't seem to understand that 'better' is a matter of personal opinion.

Both companies make a lot of stupid mistakes, both companies could improve vastly... But which is better is a matter of perspective. You're on a SEGA forum and you seem surprised that most people here are chewing you out for telling us Nintendo is better than SEGA...

And every time someone explains this to you, you move the goal posts... getting more and more desperate to make SEGA look bad with each post until you're saying things like 'Well Valkyria Chronicles has no charm.' Seemingly without even playing the bloody game! How low and petty are you willing to get mate?

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Atleast they don't rant a lot like you claiming that SEGA is better than Nintendo. I clearly said that Nintendo isn't going to satisfy everyone but they atleast deliver great games year after year.....which in SEGA is a mix bag.
Haven't we already gone over this? Nintendo too are an incredibly mixed bag... I'm not going to go through them again but Nintendo have released a lot of really mediocre to poor games recently.

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Also, you do realize that SEGA makes the most profit out of Nintendo products right? Like Atlus supporting the life out of the 3DS and Wii U?
Not according to their financial report... Do you know something SEGA themselves don't know?

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When I said that they haven't released much games on PC exclusively, I'm talking about on windows only not something they did years ago.
So are we, SEGA are by far the biggest Japanese supporter of Steam, bar none... It doesn't even come close. That includes ports of older games, new games and PC exclusives.
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Re: The Future of SEGA (A Nintendo fanboy rants incoherently)
« Reply #102 on: December 24, 2015, 11:06:53 pm »
lol,

Brilliant appending of the title for this thread.

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Re: The Future of SEGA (A Nintendo fanboy rants incoherently)
« Reply #103 on: December 25, 2015, 12:39:31 am »
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Came here to let us know he wants SEGA to go bankrupt so Nintendo can buy them. A hilarious, poorly thought out pipe dream that could never happen



Well sure it's a wind up. Fact is NCL have more actual cash reserves than almost any gaming corp one could care to mention, that with out the share option. Not that they will mind you, but NCL could quite easily buy the whole of SEGA SAMMY out of its cash reserves alone .

Also you go on about NCL Tech and online . What amazing tech do SEGA Japan have to offer us then other than a update of Yakuza , PSO II running on a 4 year old engine and a focus on mobile (hardly tech to beat the Wii U) . What amazing Online games do SEGA offer us these days ? and more to the point what amazing SEGA games did have your bought this year ?.

I think in many ways both NCL and SEGA suffer the same issues, one or 2 magic games every couple of years, pissing off what's left of their fans, tons of outsourcing their IP, no new young member's of staff  taking the lead, poor online focus and where it seems their better days are long behind them     

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Re: The Future of SEGA (A Nintendo fanboy rants incoherently)
« Reply #104 on: December 25, 2015, 03:08:32 am »



Well sure it's a wind up. Fact is NCL have more actual cash reserves than almost any gaming corp one could care to mention, that with out the share option. Not that they will mind you, but NCL could quite easily buy the whole of SEGA SAMMY out of its cash reserves alone .

Also you go on about NCL Tech and online . What amazing tech do SEGA Japan have to offer us then other than a update of Yakuza , PSO II running on a 4 year old engine and a focus on mobile (hardly tech to beat the Wii U) . What amazing Online games do SEGA offer us these days ? and more to the point what amazing SEGA games did have your bought this year ?.

I think in many ways both NCL and SEGA suffer the same issues, one or 2 magic games every couple of years, pissing off what's left of their fans, tons of outsourcing their IP, no new young member's of staff  taking the lead, poor online focus and where it seems their better days are long behind them   


Maybe Nintendo but definitely not SEGA. I mean besides Sonic, what IP's did they outsource recently? Shinobi 3D is a joke and its not done internally by SEGA. Yakuza....ok but still that's not saying much.


I honestly think that the stupid marketing things SEGA did in the 90's must have alienated these guys a LOT.


I will admit that Nintendo has flaws in them but those flaws are understandable because they are trying to make things as cheap as possible. We get few great games from them yes but that greatness beats the hell out of the value that SEGA should be able to get as well. Instead, SEGA for no reason whatsoever ignores releasing Phantasy Star Online 2 to the west, went back to making crappy Sonic games and continues to leave many of their IP's dormant.


Let's talk about this so called SEGA Sammy here. So what is it? a merge between SEGA and Sammy. What does Sammy do? making pachinkoand pachislot systems in Japan (And yes I put links in those two incase you don't know what the hell they are). And they even have networks that distribute that sort of things on PC and its only in Japan that they do this....how in the holy hell does that benefit western audiences? Nintendo has announced a Luigi's Mansion Arcade machine in Japan only....doesn't benefit the western market does it? The only good thing about them is that they published some Guilty Gear games and that's that.And let me ask you once more? What major releases have they announced by THEMSELVES?!?!? Fans are actually doing all the announcement for them....like War Pirates......only fans knew that and SEGA didn't even announce it.

Let's talk about the ridiculous milking that you claim that Nintendo is doing. They do it so what. It doesn't benefit you or anyone who don't want it but it certainly benefits those who want to play the endless amounts of sequels coming does it? Infact that's what the 650,000 units of Sonic Boom says it right? Those people wanted to play the game and many of them weren't happy with the outcome.No reason for Zelda's existence? Well then what's the reason for Yakuza's existence? Mario's milked to death? What about Sonic being milked to death? Infact Sonic is more milked than Mario because his games are released year after year with no thought whatsoever.Ohh....and let's argue about that little thing that you guys didn't like either. SEGA master system being powerful than the NES....oh what a bold move for SEGA to do.

Too bad the Big N had those illegal practices that happened.....except that when they announced the Genesis, they made the SNES a joke.....something which I don't understand why they couldn't do the same for the NES.
Yuji Naka was the saving grace that SEGA had at the time. Many games were made because of that man. So even if the Genesis came out before Sonic, Sonic made gamers get the Genesis in the first place.And again like I said, I'm not saying that SEGA is worse than Nintendo. I think you misunderstood when I said that.

What I meant to say was that they need to maintain that level of quality that even the likes of Capcom has....which they aren't doing as of now. Quality as in making as many critically acclaimed games as possible and that they make profit on that and it is possible now since they are making games on Mobile and PC. I don't know if I'm happy with their mobile division considering how crappy Sonic Runners is, I can say that I'm fine with their PC ports (They haven't yet made any exclusive game on PC so ports don't count).


Next year is always the anticipated year that ever developer must face and if SEGA ignores E3 again, they will suffer badly and you will be sad because you guys love SEGA. Take that emotional anger out of you and just realize that they aren't what they used to be back then atleast for the western market alone.
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