Sonic 2 fan remix.

[max_cady]

Again some of the reactions I've heard are just plain weird.

One programmer who essentially copies the layout for the original Emerald Coast gets praised, but Sonic 4's inspired levels, which quite honestly is a non-issue because every Sonic game has essentially the same stage templates for each stage(except Sonic Unleashed), but Sonic 4 gets cursed at.

Strange reactions are strange.

[ezodagrom]

After trying it, gameplay > Sonic 4 Ep 1, graphics <<< Sonic 4 Ep 1.

[CrazyT]

So the game has been picked up by the media, some of them have given their impressions.

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/ ... trols.aspx
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/10/sonic-fan-remix/
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/21/give- ... ix-a-spin/
http://n4g.com/news/630889/sonic-fan...-sega-to-shame
http://www.destructoid.com/jimpressions-sonic-fan-remix
http://www.gamerprint.co.uk/zombrex/


I know some of you may not like the fact that some use sfr(sonic fan remix) as an excuse to bash s4e1.

From my pov I think it's not a bad thing. Sonicteam has never gotten so much pressure. I mean of course they have been stating lots of times that sonic will finally be good in their next, but than the game ends up subpar but still manages to sell millions.

If sales don't speak than what should?

I am anticipating this game as if it was official, some of you may dislike a few things but I love it. Still replaying it every now and than(I think I have allready had 15 playthroughs) and can't get enough of it. Next stop seems to be chemical plant zone.

yes, I want to do lengthier acts too. Everything you've seen so far is proof of concept, now that we know we can build this game we can be more creative and original. However from the start of the project I have been eager to make a Chemical Plant zone so that's the next to come. Expect a second demo when that is done along with visual adjustments for Emerald Hill.

For any other zone from the 3 originals that you want to see I'm open to suggestions, even if you have new ideas for Zones. I remeber reading a thread a while back about original zones and I thought some were really interesting. There was one idea about being trapped in a Robotnik nightmare, being inside his brain or something, anyone knows what that thread was?

[Sharky]

I fucking hope anyone at Sega dosnt see this shit and take it seriously. I don't want my next Sonic game too look ANYTHING like that fan game.

[fluffymoochicken]

So let's get the rundown here:

-Sonic 4 recycles a little design content, gets bashed. SFR recycles nearly ALL of its design content, gets praised.
-Sonic 4 introduces new gameplay elements, gets bashed. SFR has recycled gameplay, gets praised.

All the while, there are small indie developers out there struggling to get noticed after coming up with their own original ideas, as these jackasses gain "respect" for making a game with a character they don't actually own and using game designs they did not come up with.

Fuck everyone.

[CrazyT]

Well if that's how you interpret it, fair enough.

But consider thinking about how this game = not a "sonic 4" while s4e1 is. Both are rehashes only one makes it clear in the title and captures the original solid gameplay, while the other is named sonic 4 and is also a rehash but does not capture the gameplay.

Sfr is a game that is going to remake stages from old in HD and give them adjustments. I don't know if you have played the game, but the stages are not carbon copies of the original. Act 1 and 3 are similar to an extent and act 2 is newly built.

Jim sterling from destructoid has been mocking the fanbase from day one s4e1 was anounced. Look at these 2 articles of his, how he mocks the fanbase.
http://www.destructoid.com/why-sonic-th ... 6221.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/justify-your ... 5066.phtml

And than read his impression in my previous post. That is one of the reasons why imo this fangame is great. It isn't just a fun game, but it also kind of sends a message.


I see lot of hate here but the game is praised almost everywhere, maybe you should look more into why that is.

[fluffymoochicken]

Both are rehashes only one makes it clear in the title and captures the original solid gameplay, while the other is named sonic 4 and is also a rehash but does not capture the gameplay.

Sonic 4 isn't a rehash, especially not in the manner of copying and pasting an older game like SFR does. Yes, it recycles old enemies and some similar content, but it brings in new and updated gameplay elements.

What's more, we've only gotten to play a single "episode" of Sonic 4 so far.

Sfr is a game that is going to remake stages from old in HD and give them adjustments.

Aaaaaand their HD visuals suck donkey dick.

Jim sterling from destructoid has been

I don't give a fuck what some smug ass gaming website "journalist" has said. Form your own opinions rather than falling back on "Everyone else says such and such".

[CrazyT]

Both are rehashes only one makes it clear in the title and captures the original solid gameplay, while the other is named sonic 4 and is also a rehash but does not capture the gameplay.Sonic 4 isn't a rehash, though. Yes, it recycles old enemies and similar content, but it is still very much its own game, with gameplay elements that are all its own.

Well okay, if you mean that sonic 4 isn't meant for fans of the old gameplay than it should be clear why those same people are more happy with sfr. With your logic all the fans that hoped for sonic 4 living up to it's promises should just move on and forget about sega ever making a sonic 4 true to it's name.

What's more, we've only gotten to play a single "episode" of Sonic 4 so far.

Saying it is still just one episode is a dumb excuse.

[fluffymoochicken]

Well okay, if you mean that sonic 4 isn't meant for fans of the old gameplay than it should be clear why those same people are more happy with sfr.

Sonic should never be tailor made for those 20- and 30-something year olds. They need to get a life and stop obsessing over really old games with cartoon hedehogs.

Sonic Colors still looks to be better than either of these games, so the sooner that SEGA stops listening to the "fans of old gameplay", the better.

With your logic all the fans that hoped for sonic 4 living up to it's promises should just move on and forget about sega ever making a sonic 4 true to it's name.

What promises? When did they ever say, "Sonic 4 will play exactly like the Sega Genesis games with absolutely no changes?" I think you're imagining things.

If anything, this proves that if SEGA had remade Sonic 2 with awful graphics, the whiny "retro" fans would have lov--... Wait, no, never mind. They still would have bitched about it anyway. :lol:

Saying it is still just one episode is a dumb excuse.

No, it's the actual truth. We haven't played all of Sonic 4 yet.

[CrazyT]

Our views and opinions about sonic are just too different so arguing would be pointless.

The thing is, if you like the modern elements of sonic games a lot more than the origins, why would it be such a bad thing, in between all those modern 2d and 3d games, to have one of the games to play more similar to the classics. Sonic 4 should have been that title.

[fluffymoochicken]

Sonic 4 does play similar to the older games. Maybe it doesn't have a carbon copy of old programming logic, but it is similar.

Yes, I realize that there have been people who have compared and debated over all of the minute aspects and differences in the physics of these games. Those people need to find a more constructive hobby to spend their spare time on.

Sonic 4 was by no means perfect, but it was still a very good game. It's a little bit irritating for me to see people say "These SFR guys should have developed Sonic 4!" when these developers are wholly creatively bankrupt on the gameplay front and have poor visual aesthetic tastes to boot.

For all we know, they might have given us a Sonic 4 with worse level designs, no new gameplay ideas, and gritty graphics similar to Gears of War 3. Do you think that's really worth having the exact copy/pasted physics of Sonic 2? I personally don't think so.

[ezodagrom]

What promises? When did they ever say, "Sonic 4 will play exactly like the Sega Genesis games with absolutely no changes?" I think you're imagining things.

When Sonic 4 was still known as Project Needlemouse, there was a blog post in the SEGA Blogs saying that this was the return of momentum based gameplay. What did we get instead? Automation and physics that kill all momentum by dropping the dpad.

I don't think Sonic 4 Ep1 gameplay should have played exactly like the classics, but I think the basics (physics) should have been based on what Sonic 3 & Knuckles already had and improved from it, instead of being based on the Rush series.
Also, in a somewhat unrelated note, what's with all this obsession with Sonic 2? Sonic 3 & Knuckles had superior gameplay compared to Sonic 2.

Based on the Fan Remix Demo, so far I think I would give it a score in the 6 to 7/10 range, same as Sonic 4 Ep1, since both of them have big issues. S4E1 is a downgrade compared to the prequels gameplay wise and SFR has those ugly visuals, with too much focus on the bacground, not enough focus on Sonic and badniks.

[Aki-at]

Also, in a somewhat unrelated note, what's with all this obsession with Sonic 2? Sonic 3 & Knuckles had superior gameplay compared to Sonic 2.

The superior art direction, music, special stages and level design belong to Sonic the Hedgehog 2 however.

So no, not quite.

Also, it happens to be thought to be the high point of the series by many people, as is indicated by it's sales (6 million plus on the Mega Drive and add re-releases to that, you get many many more sales) it is the most successful Sonic game by some distence.

[Team Andromeda]

Also, in a somewhat unrelated note, what's with all this obsession with Sonic 2? Sonic 3 & Knuckles had superior gameplay compared to Sonic 2.

The superior art direction, music, special stages and level design belong to Sonic the Hedgehog 2 however.

To me that was the very 1st Sonic game.



Back the fan remix ...

 
This doesn't look anything like a true Sonic game, but some dark Unreal 3 engine crap (yes I know its not U3) . Sonic games were full of colour, life and charm (especially the early ones) and this remake lacks that completely.

It doesn't look as good as the game its meant to be remaking, sort of tragic that. Great tech demo of the guys ability though

[CrazyT]

Well, I don't really have issues with the visuals but I can certainly see where you guys are coming from, actually almost 80% of the people have been pointing them out so I guess it needs adjustments.

But to those who have been basing their complaints on video's, be sure to give the game a try.

Download: http://www.filedropper.com/sfrdemo1
Torrent: http://sonicresearch.org/sonicfanremix/ ... ar.torrent

Also a version voor mac OS:

http://www.geenzo.com/sonicfanremix/SFRMac.zip