a new sega console is more then possible

[semmie]

Hello my fellow sega owners and friends in this biz.
id like to talk about this topic even tho it is a topic talked about over and over again. and also some people even gave up or are fed up. in wors case some of us dont even want a new sega console.

what i want to bring in this topic is more then wanting a new console. i want to convince anyone that it is easy and more then possible. even with the budget of sega. and lets be honest even tho it is a hard time. sega surely isnt poor. more over they are filthy rich.

so here goes. please pay attention cause i am not talking retarded.

1. to make a sega console sega must not battle ps3 or xbox or wii etc. it should not even focus on battling them. it should create a hardware with only exclusives back to back. while at the same time it could easily stay loyal and bring games out to other consoles and promising not to put those games on her own sega console.
this is loyalty and it gives difference.

2. sega must not focus on sales in large. it could make only 100.000 units in whole europe. and everytime it solds out it will create another 100.000 units. so the sales dont drop and there is no force. this same console must bring a fair amount of good games such as phantasy star etc. and it must be loyal to bring ONLY exclusives. this gives the console a rarity of games which makes it attractive to all people. by only bringing 100.000 units at a time alo creates a greed and a wishing list wanting the sega console so bad.

3. the console has to be really cheap. and really cheap yet at the same time have many options such as internet etc. this is easily obtained. (and if the internet and console brings success) then the hardware will be sponsored by google or anyone interested. but at all times all will be payable.
a wlan is not expensive and it doesnt necessarily need n draft.  g draft internet works just fine.
also the console must bring a game with it which makes the public jerk of.
i mean they did sonic with megadrive and it worked like a charm

4. sega must make more commercials. they dont have to be so dumb like sony has. but just a small 3 seconds of sega brainwashing in a frequent way. every channel 8 times a day 3seconds commercial will do good. sega should avoid the expensive hours like when there is soccer on tv etc.

5. sega should not be greedy to be on itself . so if apple wants to add herself in like some addon iphone use on a sega console.(combination) this is good for the sega and also for apple.

6. sega following all the steps above. and having a good salesmarket. salesmarkets dont mean anything if they work for money. they have to love sega. therefor im happy sega fired many men.

7. sega needs to bring back the old school yujinaka and such and stop being arogant forcing herself to bring sonic games out while in fact they are not as they used to be. they have to understnd that the sega fans rather have a bluraycd full of sonic zones with the snic and knuckles sprites rather then playing sonic 4 ep 1 and 2 with small levels.

8. they have to promise that the console they bring out will at least live 10 years
and like i said even if the other console surpass them over time. loyalty in this case is the best policy.
(NO ADDONHARDWARE)
segamegadrive had 65prcnt of the market. but lost all of it with the addons and lesser commercials and disloyalty while snes as much as i hate it kept it with the snes. but at least they kept giving games and the loyalty was there. so the message is keep bringing even if it is for a small community.

9. if the orders get overordered. like being sold out 100.000 units is not enough anymore then sega should still stay carefull. and it could by months think of adding instead of 100.000 make it 200.000. ofcourse all with precaution.
it shouldnt think in millions. but in loyalty

in between. sega should be hard to piracy and have plenty encriptions for at least all years to come.
so when it hacked immediatly update

10. the last step is that sega should be one with the fans. there should be a website made for fans and fans can give suggestions. a close communication between one another.


if we do all of this
yes sega im talking to you

start with only 100.000 units. i can tell you will succeed.



i am not joking

[Sharky]

I don't want a new Sega console, I like their new found PC presents. I like having their games on Steam and I think that the more people who get to play Sega games the better why restrict it to one console.

[semmie]

u misunderstood.

i mentioned that the sega console would have rarity and that the exclusivs wouls be only on that console.
and yet at the same time be loyal to make games for other consoles and pc. but for the exclusives you should have a sega console.

im kinda shocked hearing that you dont want another console. the sega fan base got devided in sonic fans or streets of rage fans. etc. like a religion without a base
christians have the jerusalem temple of solomon.
jews have as well
muslims have mekka

sega has no gather point. and if it does not make a console this deviation will get bigger on the next generation. cause we all know sonic will perish by time with the games being made nowdays. this is a plan B. and it would succeed 100prcnt if nt 200. basically because there are n losses when the units get sailed for normal prices and ofcourse the small number of 100.000 units.

with all respect but you are thinking like a square. steam means nothing its just one base. and ofcourse a good base to get profit from. but it aint the mekka of sega.

im being realistic. i try not to propogate being a saint. but surely a console coming ut the way i said it to be is bound to be famous.

[Barry the Nomad]

Came in here ready to close it thinking this was more RingEdge bullshit. Thank god its not.

I respect you for trying to think out a plan for SEGA going back into the console biz, but I disagree that it is a necessity. If anything, it would be a major risk at this point. And SEGA's staff and higher ups see no reason to get back into the business. Why should they? They've been out of it for ten years and over the past few years have really found their third party groove.

Anyway, going point by point:

1. Why create a console with a small install base that is NOT in competition with the, er, competition? When they make a console, it's competition. You clarify that the new console will ONLY get exclusives, but why in the world would SEGA develop games that have a guarantee to only sell 100,000 max? Not every new SEGA console owner would but every game, so right there is a guarantee of less than 100,000 copies sold per game. WIth those numbers, games would be on a shoestring budget and would in turn not even make sense to develop.

2. It's a really poor business plan to put all your effort into making the hardware, ceasing production, waiting a period of time and then starting up production again. Either they make a console in full force, or not at all. This inbetween is what I think is so odd. A new console is not a fun little side project, it's a serious investment. As is, it sounds like a Kickstarter project for some quirky video game console.

3. How cheap are we talking? The lower the price, the lower the manufacturing cost. At this point it sounds like a low end internet browser with flash capability. Nobody would buy that.

4. I agree, they do need to make more commercials. But not for this new console you're proposing. Advertise the stuff that is out on third party hardware. No reason to make commercials for a user base of 100,000.

5. I don't really understand this one, sorry.

6. Confused on this one. Do steps 1-5? ANd then you're happy people got fired? What?

7. Again, very confusing point. You want them to bring back Yuji Naka? They don't own him, he's his own free man. And they do have great talent. The Yakuza team, the team behind Colors and Generations, the PSO2 team. The SEGA magic is there. As for a blu-ray full of Sonic zones with recycled sprites. What??? Sounds like a fan game. And why a blu-ray? To hold more zones?

8. They can't make that promise, no company should make that kind of promise. It sets them up for failure. And given you propose a cheap console, the hardware will be outdated within the first year.

9. More of the 100k plan, which I just don't get. Either make consoles to satisfy demand or don't make them at all. This middle road is weird.

10. Check out: http://blogs.sega.com/ or http://twitter.com/SEGA or email them or talk to them at conventions. Easy.

The whole religion comparison, I totally disagree with. The argument of there being no "gather point", I disagree with. Want a gather point? You're in one! See? Sonic fans, Virtua Fighter fans, old school fans, new school fans, casual fans, hardcore fans all under one roof. Let's say a Sonic fan frequents here, and a Yakuza fan starts talking about how awesome Binary Domain is. That Sonic fan can talk with that Yakuza fan and presto: a Sonic fan plays Binary Domain because a fellow SEGA fan with a different sort of interest in the company told them all about it.

SEGA fan sites are the new SEGA console.

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So while I totally disagree with you plan, don't make that stop you from continuing to think of creative ways for SEGA to make a new console. Just be prepared for people to find holes in those plans should they be unrealistic.

[semmie]

thank you for your respective reply. on sega.com they dont really respect.

the 100.000 unit plan is just a carefull start. if 100.000 is sold. then the next wave will come of 100.000
this is a carefull approach.

as for cheap selling. the price would be 150 in euro valuta. this is a nice price wii did it as well.
and u can make a lot good of it not just the flash lol.

the reason why i talk about the gathering is because wwhen you look at official sites such as sega.com you can clearly hear in the mentality that they basically sonic fans and nothing more. sega can answer this sonic hype with a console.
as for the games. 10 games is respective. better have ten good games then 100 bad ones.

the plan is really a careful approach and they wouldnt lose.

ofcourse the best opeining would be that someone would invest in sega stockin but for that sega needs a strong convincing story.

the plan i suggest is really a good plan. just think of it.
actually it is a repeat of what they did with master system
they were running strong carefully. and with the megadrive they ambushed the whole industry. sega should reconsider everything.

and if they would read this.
for sure at least one would see something in my plan

[CrazyT]

Ah a console thread. They never get old.

Personally I think if SEGA made a killer sonic game, they would easily start a great console market.

Actually they allready have an amazing game that could do that. Sonic allstar racing transformed could really do the task with great marketing. I agree with the OP that it sucks having to own so many platforms to be able to own every SEGA game. This especially sucked during the previous generation of consoles. There weren't many multiplatform SEGA games at the time, instead SEGA used a different tactic publishing games for specific console demographics. Ps2 had many japanese esque IP's, XBOX got alot of obsecure original IP's and GC got the more colorful and kiddy games. We had a gamecube at home so we missed alot of the great games like Otogi, shinobi and Yakuza games at the time.

A SEGA console would indeed be a great thing today, but one can dream. SEGA needs to fix itself with great and ambitious co workers. About the point of laying off and firing people. I think semmie makes a good point there. I think the people layed off were layed off for more reasons other than the tough times they are having financially. I'm talking mainly about the community and market people of the west. I mean what was the mareting team actually doing all this time? They had an office yet the marketing was nowhere to be noticed. This is the result of people not being passionate enough. A real SEGA geek would want to do this volunteeraly in his free time also. Word of mouth, creating videos, organize events, or like Aaron Webber does, actually PLAY the games and support their communities.

The PR all feel like programmed robots just trying to sell the main features. Allstar racing transformed makes this so clear. All the people in the market team can only say the same thing over and over again, which is the that the game is 3 games in 1 with flight, boat and drive mechanics in 1 game. Allthough great features, it's not enough. People gotta really be SEGA fans and speak with their hearts. Not only call these features but convincly and passionatly sell the games because they are really pumped about it.

Aaron Webber(again) is the guy who I can say is the best example of this. When you see him talk about PSO2, you can see the passion all over him. But sadly the people also have to do their jobs when games are not so great, as you could see from him during the time of sonic 4 episode 1, it was tough.

Overall I disagree with your ideas semmie, but I apreciate the passion you are sharing here. Welcome to the forums

[semmie]

hello tails thanks for welcoming me

the moral of the story basically is that with these so called

10 commandments of sega

i made up

that it is so easily done and possible.
there are plenty factorys such as nec and co and more of them who wouls like to make this done even with the 100.000 unit plan. sega wouldnt lose nothing in comparisons such as the game iron man etc.

it is just a tiny investment that could grow so large over time

[Barry the Nomad]

Problem is, this whole thing is not a necessity for SEGA. The whole idea just fulfills some SEGA fan's wishes for a new console. But the problem is, the new console being proposed sounds low end and intentionally lacks innovation to appease Sony, MS and Nintendo. Then the idea of exclusives for this console, which has a super small install base, is strange since SEGA is putting time and money into a console that they know will sell very little copies. Even if the user base grows, it's still small at 100k each time.

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My proposal? No new SEGA console. I don't want a SEGA console that lacks tech, innovation and doesn't have all the games being released.

Rather, I'd like to see hardware makers giving more of a platform for developers to have all their games in one place. Like, for example, XBLA getting an overhaul and allowing bigger third parties like SEGA and Capcom to have their own channels complete with trailers, community videos, demos, avatar items, themes, all their digital titles in one spot and digital versions of retail releases. I'd gladly boot up a SEGA Channel on my 360 and live in a little SEGA world for a few hours, check out demos, watch videos, etc. In return, MS could play their ads before videos or place their ads amongst the menus. Of couse, there would still be the usual way of accessing titles and trailers and everything else. But a SEGA application launched from the Apps panel would be very cool.

If Valve makes their gaming console I could totally see something like this happening.

[Radrappy]

They just dialed back their development to the bare minimum key franchises.  I don't think a console is in their best interests. 

[Randroid]

Oh man, threads like these are too tempting to pass up.

As a gamer whose gaming interest has whittled down to pretty much only sega-published titles, I find the console landscape frustrating. In order to play all the triple A content you have to have all the platforms with all of their annoying branding.

Every time I boot up the PS3 all I see is the logo of the faceless, souless beast that took sega down (I still hate you sony). 

Every time I boot up the Wii I see the respectable, veteran, but ultimately uncool rival.

and Every time I boot up the Xbox I just see the lame copycat.

I dream, daydream, rant and rave for the day a new, proper sega console was to be released, BUT....

It's unrealistic. Everyone here that is saying it's unrealistic is completely right. The gaming console has moved from the territory of specialized gaming companies over to general consumer electronic and computing companies and it will never go back (look for consoles to be released soon by Apple and Google and wait to see nintendo bomb soon enough).

However, Sega can and should enter a console race. The mobile console race.

Currently we have two top contenders: N3DS and PSV. Both do well, but not dominant to the point where it would be suicide for other companies to attempt to grab market share.

The 3DS is a fun little system, but Nintendo refuses to push system capabilities to make it a next gen leader (they even refuse to give it two analogue sticks FFS).

The PSV has all those things, but with it's size and power it is competing with something else that takes up pocket real estate, your smart phone.

Sega has officially positioned itself to capture the mobile and free-to-play markets and seems to be banking on that development. What I propose, is .. (cue drum roll) .. THE SEGA PHONE.

I believe sony has fumbled tremendously by not having the PSV have out of the box phone capabilities, and I think sega can scramble together a top notch phone, running a sega branded android platform. The phone would be gaming centric (analogue sticks, proper game buttons, etc), but still allow you to make calls, text messaging, etc. With that one play, they would have a platform that already has all the android 3party titles working for it, along with all of the 1st party content that they already develop for iphone and android. All the while still being a 3rd party developer for the Major console. Heck, they can still be 3rd party to their competition (3DS and PSV), why not?

And now, as a sega fan, imagine if this device were to have regular old school titles released for it, such as the saturn library and even the dreamcast library (Genesis and MS would be a given)?

And the real BEAUTY of this idea is that they have all of the major, cult creating, ips ready for it. Sega titles were great performers on mobile platforms. Heck, push out a Hatsune Miku version and it will sell itself in Japan.

What do you think? They've had experience creating phones and working with phone companies. I'd rock a sega phone like no ones business.

[semmie]

Problem is, this whole thing is not a necessity for SEGA. The whole idea just fulfills some SEGA fan's wishes for a new console. But the problem is, the new console being proposed sounds low end and intentionally lacks innovation to appease Sony, MS and Nintendo. Then the idea of exclusives for this console, which has a super small install base, is strange since SEGA is putting time and money into a console that they know will sell very little copies. Even if the user base grows, it's still small at 100k each time.

--

My proposal? No new SEGA console. I don't want a SEGA console that lacks tech, innovation and doesn't have all the games being released.

Rather, I'd like to see hardware makers giving more of a platform for developers to have all their games in one place. Like, for example, XBLA getting an overhaul and allowing bigger third parties like SEGA and Capcom to have their own channels complete with trailers, community videos, demos, avatar items, themes, all their digital titles in one spot and digital versions of retail releases. I'd gladly boot up a SEGA Channel on my 360 and live in a little SEGA world for a few hours, check out demos, watch videos, etc. In return, MS could play their ads before videos or place their ads amongst the menus. Of couse, there would still be the usual way of accessing titles and trailers and everything else. But a SEGA application launched from the Apps panel would be very cool.

If Valve makes their gaming console I could totally see something like this happening.

like i said it is a carefull approach so that the price and hits does not hit hard.
100.000 can bcome 200.000 later and if the demand is agressive it can be 500.000

and believe me bro 150 euro in factory price is a whole lot. what do u think a ps3 costs before entering a market. the whole aspect is to buy cheap and sell high.
the only ones that dont do that is microsoft cause they are far to reach and stop at nothing to win the race.

sega does not have to compete . you know well that it is bs. wii does not compete with xbox and ps either.
their console is a whole different franchise. basically everyone has wii even if u have ps3 or xbox u might v wii for your wife or kids.

the only message i have is and i believe in it with dignity.
that if they follow these commandments that they will be succesfull.

[semmie]

Oh man, threads like these are too tempting to pass up.

As a gamer whose gaming interest has whittled down to pretty much only sega-published titles, I find the console landscape frustrating. In order to play all the triple A content you have to have all the platforms with all of their annoying branding.

Every time I boot up the PS3 all I see is the logo of the faceless, souless beast that took sega down (I still hate you sony). 

Every time I boot up the Wii I see the respectable, veteran, but ultimately uncool rival.

and Every time I boot up the Xbox I just see the lame copycat.

I dream, daydream, rant and rave for the day a new, proper sega console was to be released, BUT....

It's unrealistic. Everyone here that is saying it's unrealistic is completely right. The gaming console has moved from the territory of specialized gaming companies over to general consumer electronic and computing companies and it will never go back (look for consoles to be released soon by Apple and Google and wait to see nintendo bomb soon enough).

However, Sega can and should enter a console race. The mobile console race.

Currently we have two top contenders: N3DS and PSV. Both do well, but not dominant to the point where it would be suicide for other companies to attempt to grab market share.

The 3DS is a fun little system, but Nintendo refuses to push system capabilities to make it a next gen leader (they even refuse to give it two analogue sticks FFS).

The PSV has all those things, but with it's size and power it is competing with something else that takes up pocket real estate, your smart phone.

Sega has officially positioned itself to capture the mobile and free-to-play markets and seems to be banking on that development. What I propose, is .. (cue drum roll) .. THE SEGA PHONE.

I believe sony has fumbled tremendously by not having the PSV have out of the box phone capabilities, and I think sega can scramble together a top notch phone, running a sega branded android platform. The phone would be gaming centric (analogue sticks, proper game buttons, etc), but still allow you to make calls, text messaging, etc. With that one play, they would have a platform that already has all the android 3party titles working for it, along with all of the 1st party content that they already develop for iphone and android. All the while still being a 3rd party developer for the Major console. Heck, they can still be 3rd party to their competition (3DS and PSV), why not?

And now, as a sega fan, imagine if this device were to have regular old school titles released for it, such as the saturn library and even the dreamcast library (Genesis and MS would be a given)?

And the real BEAUTY of this idea is that they have all of the major, cult creating, ips ready for it. Sega titles were great performers on mobile platforms. Heck, push out a Hatsune Miku version and it will sell itself in Japan.

What do you think? They've had experience creating phones and working with phone companies. I'd rock a sega phone like no ones business.

since this is such a big reply it would be a waste to ignre. ired all of it. and i love the optimism. if there would be a sega phone. surely i would buy it.
to me it is all  a logic. and yes life is full of flaws. and yes you can win with mortal kombat without it being a flawless victory.

the whole point is that optimism is a karma. but i sense enemys in the sega clan.
just look at it yourself. to many negatives on the sega.com site. people dont even want a sega console.
if these people write. and yes sega is the reader. then pushing them is harder.

what we need here is a great optimism. carefull approaches. high defense. thinking 5 moves ahead like on chess.

and these sega ten commandments are really flawless. but if yiu start subcategorise them there will start to be flaws. so a great sega leader is essential.

i wanna believe what u say. and having a peace of real hardware on commercial market to me is the flag of sega and i will carry it in to the battlefront

[Aki-at]

like i said it is a carefull approach so that the price and hits does not hit hard.
100.000 can bcome 200.000 later and if the demand is agressive it can be 500.000

Those are not even breakeven figures for most video games these days, what makes you think it would be for a console with the amount of R&D that goes into developing a console? If we are to say SEGA sells a console for, say $300, then all they will be making in revenue is $30 million. This is pretty much how much a yearly Yakuza makes for them so what is the point in investing so much yet little ROI?

Add it the terrible exchange rate we have going between the Euro and Dollar vs yen, it would be silly for SEGA trying to get back into a declining industry. SEGA should focus solely on PC and the digital market if they seek to reunite their fans with them on one single format. With the PC marketing only continually growing, this really is the future.

[semmie]

Those are not even breakeven figures for most video games these days, what makes you think it would be for a console with the amount of R&D that goes into developing a console? If we are to say SEGA sells a console for, say $300, then all they will be making in revenue is $30 million. This is pretty much how much a yearly Yakuza makes for them so what is the point in investing so much yet little ROI?

Add it the terrible exchange rate we have going between the Euro and Dollar vs yen, it would be silly for SEGA trying to get back into a declining industry. SEGA should focus solely on PC and the digital market if they seek to reunite their fans with them on one single format. With the PC marketing only continually growing, this really is the future.

it is not declining.
they allready made the fake wii alike sega. and it was a funny console.
sega master system started the same way. they basically made some consoles.
to focus on pc izs the wors idea ever given. with all respect to u. but piracy is easiest on pc. ok yeah there is ps3 custom firmware or xbox stuff but for the newest games the most people are willing to buy the game before it being patched to be pirated.

pc gets pirated instantly.

the power of a console can not be underestimated. it is your own base when delt with corrctly.

again the mistake i hear in your reply: you talk about yens and big profits. but that is a 10 moves later.
sega can start with a pious amount of units. and a correct installment.

dont forget of all the consoles  sega fans are probably the most forgiving fan base. the sega fans are real fans. and sega allready has her target point of units selling. and they could go above that.
its not like we are nerds. but you will probably find many sega fans even have a tattoo.
bare that in mind that we are the most forgiving fans and willing to make sega profit.
sega fans even the greedy ones wouls pirate games but when buying sega games you will most likely find a sega fan buy a special edition of a game. that is how strong it is.

sorry for being repetetive. but it is possible. more than possible.

[MadeManG74]

Just release a $89 Dreamcast emulator pre-loaded with about 10 games and the ability to play OG Dreamcast discs.