Is 2013 one of SEGA's worst years ever? (Long-winded rant)

[Team Andromeda]

Unless the internet missed it, I think you might be wrong here.

Of course he is . It was built from the ground up for the Cube and made for the home that's why it had an expanded story mode .

unless you want a link for the Total War number, thought that was common knowledge

Well that's different to SEGA/Sammy figures in its stock report to the market . Where Total War didn't sell close to 2 million . If you want to count every entry in the series then I guess it would be then 2 million copies , but there if one was to count all the MH entries its sales are way better than 2 million.

Capcom being one of the biggest third parties yes it is a failure

Big in IP and sales, small in terms of manpower with just some 1500 staff compared to the likes of SEGA and the bigger corps in Japan that's small.

You couldn't even get the sales of the recent TW right

I have , but if you want to count every entry in the series then fine , on that score Monster Hunter is sales monster.

No the point you overlooked is that it haS NOTHING to do with the argument

Of course it does . It shows that the Arcade business is still strong , that the point you fail to grasp .

Then the COO and the buisness web sites and newspapers as well as the millions of capcom fans are also wrong.

No of them are saying Capcom are in debt or reported a loss and we it was all doom and gloom here where SEGA had to restructure  and post a massive loss, butcher its USA staff and cancel loads of projects . When SEGA had to post its expects Extraordinary losses just the other year .

MARIO AND SONIC sold 10 million and combined this gen way more than RE put together.

I said other than SONIC and Mario . You can't name me a IP that comes close to RE sales from SEGA and btw since you want to go on about missing targets Sonic and Mario London Olympics misses its sales targets too by a million, not that changes it was a great seller .

Sega never made GUNGRAVE they just published it for Red.

 So there were have it . All that bullshit about Bayonetta is just that. Bayonetta an IP published by SEGA but not made by SEGA just like Gungrave lol.

SHINOBI PS2 isn't crap and neither is KUNOICHI

Never said PS2 Shinobi was crap , it was totally outlcassed by Ninja Gaiden and well Nightshade was a bit of turd really and worst still it looked like a PS game . Compared to the other action games its was a joke .

It was actually a port with added material.

Totally and utterly wrong . Coming from Mr SEGA this is so embarrassing its not even funny.

It was SOJ that ended screwing it up

No Most of the OutRun and Golden Axe games made in-House were good . No issues at all with Golden Axe 2,3, Revenge and Duel and the likes of Turbo Outrun, OutRun 2 were brilliant .

LP3 was and you know full way that i was talking about that

Aye it is , but the Lost Plannet 1 and II weren't.

This is Sega as a third party part 2

So... Ubisoft and the likes of Capcom are just that and yet they can come up with new IP as well as make sequels to past IP.

RE, DMC, MARVEL VS whoever LP done to death etc etc et

And yet its ok for SEGA to make more Yakuza , more Sonic and more PSO, More Total Rome, more Football Manager is it . Already for the PS3 Capcom got a new IP ready to go.. what we get from SEGA oh that's right more Yakuza lol.

You'll over the shop again .


























 

[tarpmortar]

Well that's different to SEGA/Sammy figures in its stock report to the market . Where Total War didn't sell close to 2 million . If you want to count every entry in the series then I guess it would be then 2 million copies , but there if one was to count all the MH entries its sales are way better than 2 million.

Obviously not, but considering the only release in 2012 was an expansion it's impressive catalog sales. Total War is a big franchise, you need to remember that PC is a platform that is catalog-sales centric. Catalog sales each year for TW are a big part of the franchise's total sales.

[ROJM]

Of course he is . It was built from the ground up for the Cube and made for the home that's why it had an expanded story mode .

No not really. If anyone played the arcade version then you'd relise that's exactly what SMB2 is. Also Sega did release SMB2 SAKURA EDITION with the arcade version in it. Though there isn't a difference in my opinion. So try again me laddio.

Well that's different to SEGA/Sammy figures in its stock report to the market . Where Total War didn't sell close to 2 million . If you want to count every entry in the series then I guess it would be then 2 million copies , but there if one was to count all the MH entries its sales are way better than 2 million.

Sign when you see the sales of TW and FB you only see the monthly sales or what it made in its first week of release. The Segasammy stock reports never show you the actual final number to the public. Most of those games has sold onto a million or more. Point is MH has never sold that much over here. And it isn't strong enough to stop Cacom posting a miserable loss.

Big in IP and sales, small in terms of manpower with just some 1500 staff compared to the likes of SEGA and the bigger corps in Japan that's small.

You argured that Capcom was bigger than Sega at one point and now they're small. LOL how you keep turning. Capcom is still a big corp despite their size. Sega's bigger because they have more assets than Capcom but that doesn't mean Capcom isn't one of the big leaguers. That's the point you FAILED to understand.

I have , but if you want to count every entry in the series then fine , on that score Monster Hunter is sales monster.

No you haven't.

Of course it does . It shows that the Arcade business is still strong , that the point you fail to grasp .

I'm not the one who keeps continuing an argument he  lost two pages ago. You really are sad.

No of them are saying Capcom are in debt or reported a loss and we it was all doom and gloom here where SEGA had to restructure  and post a massive loss, butcher its USA staff and cancel loads of projects . When SEGA had to post its expects Extraordinary losses just the other year .

Not compared to Capcom. Big losses in 2005, big losses in 2010 and another big loss 2013. Yeah Capcom is really doing well this gen.

I said other than SONIC and Mario . You can't name me a IP that comes close to RE sales from SEGA and btw since you want to go on about missing targets Sonic and Mario London Olympics misses its sales targets too by a million, not that changes it was a great seller .

MARIO AND SONIC was made and published by Sega. Sorry but an adult debate doesn't work by you taking out one of the games that does do well so you can win your juvenile argument.

 

So there were have it . All that bullshit about Bayonetta is just that. Bayonetta an IP published by SEGA but not made by SEGA just like Gungrave lol.

Sega of america published GUNGRAVE. Sega Japan never owned the ip Never funded the game or published the game in Japan.They just distrubuted it and SOA localised  it. Completly different to BAYONETTA, a game funded by, owned by and published by Sega. Oh yes they also funded the BAYONETTA movie coming out as well as licensed it for Nintendo to use. Try again lad.

Never said PS2 Shinobi was crap , it was totally outlcassed by Ninja Gaiden and well Nightshade was a bit of turd really and worst still it looked like a PS game . Compared to the other action games its was a joke .

No you were trying to say SHINOBI was crap. And it didn't look like a PS game at all. So give it up.

Totally and utterly wrong . Coming from Mr SEGA this is so embarrassing its not even funny.

Really? So what the hell would you call GOLDEN AXE 2 then? The same frigging game. All they did was change the sprites and the locales. It was pratically the same game. Anyone who has played the arcade game would have spot that straight away. But considering your the guy who cant even get the sales of FOOTBALL MANAGER and TOTAL WAR correct i wouldn't expect nothing less.

No Most of the OutRun and Golden Axe games made in-House were good . No issues at all with Golden Axe 2,3, Revenge and Duel and the likes of Turbo Outrun, OutRun 2 were brilliant .

GA 2 and 3 were crap. REVENGE AND DUEL were made for the arcades. That's the difference. When Sega continues a series soley for consoles the game usually loses its spart. Dont bother throwing in actual arcade sequels because that was never the point as was MADE clear in the original post. You just proven me correct by the fact you had to throw in the arcade sequels.

Aye it is , but the Lost Plannet 1 and II weren't.

Wasn't talking about lost planet 1 and 2. You've become desperate now.

So... Ubisoft and the likes of Capcom are just that and yet they can come up with new IP as well as make sequels to past IP.

So does Sega. A point you continue to ignore.

And yet its ok for SEGA to make more Yakuza , more Sonic and more PSO, More Total Rome, more Football Manager is it . Already for the PS3 Capcom got a new IP ready to go.. what we get from SEGA oh that's right more Yakuza lol.

Sega has 1 PSO game coming in the form of NOVA. Capcom releases about 4 games in the same franchise ayear. Compared to Capcom, Sega is minimal because there games are at least mostly follow ups.
 
So has Sega, hasn't been announced yet. And there's plenty of new IP from them coming on other platforms. But you being a Sega insider would have known that.

You'll over the shop again .

No you are. I'm not the one who's been pointed out how incorrect they are 4 timnes now by different posters who has taken the time to read any of our posts. So its not me who is all over the shop its you.

[ROJM]

Obviously not, but considering the only release in 2012 was an expansion it's impressive catalog sales. Total War is a big franchise, you need to remember that PC is a platform that is catalog-sales centric. Catalog sales each year for TW are a big part of the franchise's total sales.

The sad thing is TA delights in saying how bad Sega is all the time. When they are doing well he then has to make things up to continue the lie. To him if  it isn't Capcom or a million plus seller it doesn't count. The point why Sega has done well is that they have made sure that they have created games that reach their respective targets from the high end like YAKUZA and SONIC to the low end like SHINING whatever and the games inbetween. And then there's Sega Toys.That's how Sega's consumer division at least in video games have been succesful for a while now.

[Team Andromeda]

No not really. If anyone played the arcade version then you'd relise that's exactly what SMB2

Monkey Ball 2 was never an Arcade game, you've just been found out  . Many games have started out in the Arcades only to then  become console only games like Ninja Gaiden , Ace Combat , Shinobi, Ridge Racer.

The Segasammy stock reports never show you the actual final number to the public

They do you download them in PDF form. In fact most of them are on Sammy website to download right now

Point is MH has never sold that much over here

It sells million in Japan alone , its not like Total war is going to be a massive seller in Japan now is it ?

You argured that Capcom was bigger than Sega at one point and now they're small

Not a chance . Always said that If Capcom with less staff and less money can make big IP, take risks on new IP and have a Multi Purpose, Multi Platform engine then there's no excuse why SEGA couldn't .

I'm not the one who keeps continuing an argument

Download Sammy reports and see most of its profits come form the Arcade side - Thus showing the Arcade sector is and was bigger enough . Sadly SEGA consumer side cost it dear .

Not compared to Capcom. Big losses in 2005, big losses in 2010 and another big loss 2013.

LOL. Capcom made a loss in 2004 (not 2005)  it didn't make a loss in 2010 and not in 2013 and compared to SEGA loss in 2008 Capcom 2004 loss was tiny.

MARIO AND SONIC was made and published by Sega.

Wasn't published by SEGA in Japan and its pretty sad that the only title you can bring up is a SEGA and Nintendo cross over .

It was pratically the same game. Anyone who has played the arcade game would have spot that straight away.

Kind of what SEGA does with Yakuza these days   . Golden Axe 2 still played well enough though .

REVENGE AND DUEL were made for the arcades

Duel was also made with home in mide and so what if they were made for the Arcade the point is the quailty bar was there . So again you are wrong

No you were trying to say SHINOBI was crap

Never said it crap at all , just really adverage . Nightshade is crap and looks like crap too and well boths games compared to Ninja Gaiden were outclassed .

So does Sega. A point you continue to ignore

These new IP would be ? Other than some quick cash-ins on music based games and the brilliant Binary Domain and Val I can't think of a new Major AAA IP for the consoles (not handheld)

Sega has 1 PSO game coming in the form of NOVA

Nothing new though .

Compared to Capcom, Sega is minimal because there games are at least mostly follow ups.

LOL . How many Yakuza games and spin off had we had now ?. loads not bad for a IP that only came into being in 2005 .

And there's plenty of new IP from them coming on other platforms

What new IP has SEGA showed off for PS4 , XBox 1 ? Other than Yakuza I've seen nothing














 












 

[ROJM]

Monkey Ball 2 was never an Arcade game, you've just been found out  .

Never said there was an arcade sequel. I said it was a port with bits and bods added to it. Anyone with KNOWLEDGE of arcade games and a simple grasp of the english language would know exactly what i meant. All SMB 2 is is a port of the first game with added material with 2 plastered on. That's exactly what SUPERMONKEY BALL 2 SAKURA EDITION was as well. You'd KNOWN that if you actually played the original.

Many games have started out in the Arcades only to then  become console only games like Ninja Gaiden , Ace Combat , Shinobi, Ridge Racer.

You don't say. Again Sega has a history of continuing an arcade game onto consoles as exclusives. But most of the time the console versions are very poor compared to the arcade original. We have seen that with countless series from Sega including GOLDEN AXE and OUTRUN. Even SHINOBI had some poor entries in the series with only the console made REVENGE OF SHINOBI and SHINOBI 3 being the highlights and exception to the rule.

They do you download them in PDF form. In fact most of them are on Sammy website to download right now

No they dont. The shareholders are privy to the actual sales and breakdowns which are never available to the public ones.

It sells million in Japan alone , its not like Total war is going to be a massive seller in Japan now is it ?

So does TW sell a million in the UK alone.

Not a chance . Always said that If Capcom with less staff and less money can make big IP, take risks on new IP and have a Multi Purpose, Multi Platform engine then there's no excuse why SEGA couldn't .

And yet Sega has posted the profits and Capcom isn't. Go figure.

Download Sammy reports and see most of its profits come form the Arcade side - Thus showing the Arcade sector is and was bigger enough . Sadly SEGA consumer side cost it dear .

No. Most of the profits come from Sammy's panchinko side which make most of the money for the company. The arcade side was not enough to get Sega back in the black in the early noughties. I twasn't enough to stop Sega being taken over from Sammy. Which is why you are downloading Segasammy reports and NOT SEGA REPORTS. The point is arcade has not ben enough to save the company. Accept that and move on. Your childish attempts to prolong an argument you lost with things that was never a factor is laughable and making you more of a joke as usual.

LOL. Capcom made a loss in 2004 (not 2005)  it didn't mak
e a loss in 2010 and not in 2013 and compared to SEGA loss in 2008 Capcom 2004 loss was tiny.

It made a loss in 2005 it made a loss in 2010 and it made a loss in 2013. But now i can add 2004 to the list. Thanks.

Wasn't published by SEGA in Japan and its pretty sad that the only title you can bring up is a SEGA and Nintendo cross over

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Its a game funded by Sega THAT Sega had to pay the license for the Olympic brand alone. That made more money than Resident Evil did. Its sad you can't accept that fact.

Kind of what SEGA does with Yakuza these days   . Golden Axe 2 still played well enough though .

Duel was also made with home in mide and so what if they were made for the Arcade the point is the quailty bar was there . So again you are wrong

No im not. The megadrive GA games as well as the GG spin offs were terrible. Only REVENGE and to a small degree DUEL brought some saving grace back to that series before BEAST RIDER killed it again. The same with OUTRUN 2 with the atrocious games that appeared on the MS and MD and even some of its arcade spin offs weren't good come to think of it.

Never said it crap at all , just really adverage . Nightshade is crap and looks like crap too and well boths games compared to Ninja Gaiden were outclassed .

Yep you did. and no KUNOICHI isn't crap.

These new IP would be ? Other than some quick cash-ins on music based games and the brilliant Binary Domain and Val I can't think of a new Major AAA IP for the consoles (not handheld)

Still new IP though across all formats.


Nothing new though .

LOL . How many Yakuza games and spin off had we had now ?. loads not bad for a IP that only came into being in 2005 .

5 core titles with 3 side games and two spin offs. Much less compared to Resident Evil has had in the same time frame.

What new IP has SEGA showed off for PS4 , XBox 1 ? Other than Yakuza I've seen nothing

Now you've been found out yet again. Sega has games coming for the system as well for the current generation. They even stated as much on the bloody public reports. Being a know it all you even missed that simple fact.

[Nameless 24]

Yep you did. and no KUNOICHI isn't crap.

I want to ask about that game. Is it easier then the first Shinobi game on PS2? The problem I have with most Shinobi games is the difficulty (I suck at pretty much every Shinobi game). Is the difficulty, in addition to the controls and overall camera design better?

I may buy it.

And I see a lot of spaces in TA's posts, which I am gathering was a glitch in the post limits or something?

[Happy Cat]

And I see a lot of spaces in TA's posts, which I am gathering was a glitch in the post limits or something?

Nah it's no glitch, either hes using a browser that does that, which would make no sense cause there is no browser known to do that to SMF.

He probably just gets really excited hits enter 50+ times

[Nameless 24]

Ah I see...probably Internet Explorer since it's notorious for doing silly stuff like that.

Unless it's a phone browser.

[Kori-Maru]

I want to ask about that game. Is it easier then the first Shinobi game on PS2? The problem I have with most Shinobi games is the difficulty (I suck at pretty much every Shinobi game). Is the difficulty, in addition to the controls and overall camera design better?

I may buy it.

And I see a lot of spaces in TA's posts, which I am gathering was a glitch in the post limits or something?

Not as difficult as Shinobi until a certain point but I found Hibina's movements a lot easier than Hotsuma's.

[George]

If you think this is one of SEGA's worse year's ever, it just goes to show you how spoiled we have gotten.

[ROJM]

If you think this is one of SEGA's worse year's ever, it just goes to show you how spoiled we have gotten.

We have been spoiled since the Dreamcast days, anything that doesn't even come close to that you hear many people complaining Sega has lost its way.
In terms of Sega DNA titles its not been great. In terms of business its been excellent. In terms of certain titles that Sega publishes its been a mix bag.

[ROJM]

I want to ask about that game. Is it easier then the first Shinobi game on PS2? The problem I have with most Shinobi games is the difficulty (I suck at pretty much every Shinobi game). Is the difficulty, in addition to the controls and overall camera design better?

I may buy it.

And I see a lot of spaces in TA's posts, which I am gathering was a glitch in the post limits or something?

As Kori said its much easier. I prefer SHINOBI and KUNOICHI because they at least tried to do something different to the games that were out there at he time. And its a good throwback to old solid gameplay.
Once you master the games"tagging" attack system it soon becomes a blast especially once you unlock the secret characters. My advice is master KUNOICHI first and then go for SHINOBI.

[MadeManG74]

If you think this is one of SEGA's worse year's ever, it just goes to show you how spoiled we have gotten.

What are the best games from Sega this year for you George? Personally I've only bought CoH2 and that's something Sega just picked up at a car boot sale. I'd hardly call that spoiled.

[Nameless 24]

As Kori said its much easier. I prefer SHINOBI and KUNOICHI because they at least tried to do something different to the games that were out there at he time. And its a good throwback to old solid gameplay.

Once you master the games"tagging" attack system it soon becomes a blast especially once you unlock the secret characters. My advice is master KUNOICHI first and then go for SHINOBI.

Not as difficult as Shinobi until a certain point but I found Hibina's movements a lot easier than Hotsuma's.

Thanks for the feedback! I'll look into it then!