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Re: E3 New Bayonetta 2 footage at 60fps - Online Co op confirmed
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2014, 07:26:23 am »



They own the IP and that's it . Its not a SEGA developed game, the sequel will sell like crap and the IP has done and will do SEGA little good . Trying to make out that Bay II is a SEGA game (which some are) is just taking it too far . SEGA may well own the IP to games like Gunstar Heroes , but deep down we all know its a Treasure game , just like with Gradius V


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Nobody said it was a Sega developed game. There's always been four types of Sega games, First, second, published and licensed. BAYONETTA fits in the second party category. Please stop trying to re write history when Second party games regardless on who makes it has always been referred to the company that published and own the IP as their game. Bay 2 fits into licensed like what you would get with many of the LCD titles or games like OUTRUN 2019 among countless others. There's a precedence to this already. Its still a Sega game regardless of what you think.

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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2014, 07:39:59 am »
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Second party games regardless on who makes it has always been referred to the company that published and own the IP as their game.


It wasn't so long ago that due to the SEGA references that people made out that Bay was a SEGA game and they played a part in developing the title . In the end all SEGA did is fund the title and hold the IP rights and its laughable to see people here try and make out its a SEGA tile .


Noone really see's Gunstar Heroes as a SEGA game , Treasure will always get the credit . Most people will always see Wonderboy as a Westone game, even if SEGA still owns the IP rights to the name 'Wonderboy' and noone see's Ferrari 355 has an Acclaim game even though they held the rights to Ferrari and published the the title in the West


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like OUTRUN 2019 among countless others.


No that's just like Mean Bean Machine where the PR money men take over and slap a IP name on the title to try  sell it .
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Re: E3 New Bayonetta 2 footage at 60fps - Online Co op confirmed
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2014, 08:06:55 am »
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It wasn't so long ago that due to the SEGA references that people made out that Bay was a SEGA game and they played a part in developing the title . In the end all SEGA did is fund the title and hold the IP rights and its laughable to see people here try and make out its a SEGA tile .


Laughable? Yes if they say Sega tile...


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Noone really see's Gunstar Heroes as a SEGA game , Treasure will always get the credit . Most people will always see Wonderboy as a Westone game, even if SEGA still owns the IP rights to the name 'Wonderboy'

Let's stop the bull right there. No one says Treasure didn't make the game. But people will see Sega as being the key factor for that game. The same with Wonderboy especially when No one this generation of gamers or back then had heard of Westone or even cared. All they would see is Sega and make the connection. So stop trying to be clever mate. That westone comment alone is quite stupid in itself...really can't believe you said that..shows how inexperience of the old days you really are...

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and noone see's Ferrari 355 has an Acclaim game even though they held the rights to Ferrari and published the the title in the West

Sign, Ferrari 355 is a published game. I've already made the key points of what a Sega game and which category it falls under. Making the Accailm comparison is silly since many Sega published games are usually new games that are published by Sega but the developer retains ALL the rights.
   
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No that's just like Mean Bean Machine where the PR money men take over and slap a IP name on the title to try  sell it .

Except OUTRUN 2019 was a brand new game released under that title in ALL territories and still had to be licensed from Sega to use the name OUTRUN. Not even in the same ballpark so try again.


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Re: E3 New Bayonetta 2 footage at 60fps - Online Co op confirmed
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2014, 10:03:37 am »
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No one says Treasure didn't make the game. But people will see Sega as being the key factor for that game. The same with Wonderboy especially when No one this generation of gamers or back then had heard of Westone or even cared.


SEGA holds the IP rights but deep down everyone knows its completely a treasure title. Wonderboy everyone who's any sort of gamer and SEGA fan will know it was a Westone title and they developed the games and even developed them for rival formats under a different name .

With games like Sakura Wars not only did SEGA fund them hold the IP rights but also had its own staff helping to develop the games (not just produce it ) rising up to over a hundred In-House staff to help develop the DC titles . There is a difference 


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Making the Accailm comparison is silly since many Sega published games are usually new games that are published by Sega but the developer retains ALL the rights.


No its just shows what IP rights can do . Well all know AM#2 made the title , Yet in the west Acclaim held the Ferrari rights and published the game. It really wouldn't have made any different which major Studio published Bay, it would have played and looked the same - It's your typical Platinum game .


You know put  it this way, who do you credit for Strider II on the Mega Drive . Capcom or US Gold ?


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Except OUTRUN 2019 was a brand new game released under that title in ALL territories and still had to be licensed from Sega to use the name OUTRUN.
That was just a cynical cash-in and shares nothing to do with Outrun at all . A classic example of PR men slapping a IP title on it, to try and get more sales

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Re: E3 New Bayonetta 2 footage at 60fps - Online Co op confirmed
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2014, 11:19:43 am »
I plan on checking out 1 first to see how it looks/feels on WiiU before starting 2.

I can also see myself ignoring B2 after beating it once and just replaying 1 over and over again as it's the true Sega game. I'm pretty sure all the "This is a Nintendo Game now" hints dropped all over B2 are going to annoy me.

All we've seen so far is the three extra costumes for Bayonetta 1, I haven't heard of any Nintendo hints for Bayo 2 yet. I don't think they'll get obnoxious with it though.

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Re: E3 New Bayonetta 2 footage at 60fps - Online Co op confirmed
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2014, 11:21:23 am »

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SEGA holds the IP rights but deep down everyone knows its completely a treasure title

Its a Sega second party game. Always has been always will be. Made on the Megadrive, for the Megadrive and utilized the MD hardware.
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Wonderboy everyone who's any sort of gamer and SEGA fan will know it was a Westone title and they developed the games and even developed them for rival formats under a different name .
You don't say.. ::) . Westone was never widely known at any capacity by the majority of gamers, so try again. And anyone knows the proper WB games was made with Sega which is why Adventure Islands is hardly a footnote in gaming history. Unless of course you were a sad PC Engine owner....
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With games like Sakura Wars not only did SEGA fund them hold the IP rights but also had its own staff helping to develop the games (not just produce it ) rising up to over a hundred In-House staff to help develop the DC titles . There is a difference

Funny, if i was actually referring to SW. But on that, its a joint copyright game. Sega can't do SW without Red and neither can Red unless they get Sega's approval. The only ones who has actually made new SW games has been Red. Just like Bayonetta really. Which Sega had fully funded but of course you said didn't count. They also initially funded the second game before it got canned. So again your argument about Sega not being involved as well as it not being a Sega game when you yourself have used Sakura Taisen as an implication that its  a Sega game via funding also defaults your initial argument.

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No its just shows what IP rights can do . Well all know AM#2 made the title , Yet in the west Acclaim held the Ferrari rights and published the game. It really wouldn't have made any different which major Studio published Bay, it would have played and looked the same - It's your typical Platinum game .

Not really. Ferrari, Sega had worldwide rights arcade wise. They didn't have worldwide rights as opposed to console. Again its just another publisher publishing another game from a different company or in this case porting the title. Why? Because Sega had already published the game on two formats. Acclaim just did it for the western markets. When Sega usually publishes a game, its usually a game that hasn't been released yet but they don't own the rights to it.

And really use a better example than Strider 2 for gods sake...
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That was just a cynical cash-in and shares nothing to do with Outrun at all . A classic example of PR men slapping a IP title on it, to try and get more sales
The point is sunsoft licensed the name. End of.




 



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Re: E3 New Bayonetta 2 footage at 60fps - Online Co op confirmed
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2014, 12:31:55 pm »
Miku is developed by SEGA, yet Bayonetta never was. does that make Miku more of a SEGA game then Bayonetta?

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Re: E3 New Bayonetta 2 footage at 60fps - Online Co op confirmed
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2014, 01:30:33 pm »
Miku is developed by SEGA, yet Bayonetta never was. does that make Miku more of a SEGA game then Bayonetta?

Well i guess if that depends if you view SONIC AND ALL STARS RACING less of a Sega game because it was developed by Sumo Digital ....
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Re: E3 New Bayonetta 2 footage at 60fps - Online Co op confirmed
« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2014, 01:40:17 pm »
Miku is developed by SEGA, yet Bayonetta never was. does that make Miku more of a SEGA game then Bayonetta?

Yes.

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Re: E3 New Bayonetta 2 footage at 60fps - Online Co op confirmed
« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2014, 02:03:58 pm »
All we've seen so far is the three extra costumes for Bayonetta 1, I haven't heard of any Nintendo hints for Bayo 2 yet. I don't think they'll get obnoxious with it though.


Oh they're coming man. You'll see. No way they're gonna let that game slide without Luka revealing himself to be Captain N and Bayonetta summoning Iggy Koopa to fight the new head of the Lumen Sages, Balder's kid Icarus.

All of the Sega hints caught me off-guard in Bayo 1.

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« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2014, 02:33:32 pm »

Oh they're coming man. You'll see. No way they're gonna let that game slide without Luka revealing himself to be Captain N and Bayonetta summoning Iggy Koopa to fight the new head of the Lumen Sages, Balder's kid Icarus.

All of the Sega hints caught me off-guard in Bayo 1.

Stop it! :( I don't want it to be trueeeee

I still think it won't be overkill. The Bayonetta 1 Sega References weren't obvious or imposing unless you were a fan. I doubt most players understood the "WELCOME TO MY FANTASY ZONE! GET READY", even though we were all cumming buckets of semen over it. Holy shit, I just remembered how much I love this game. I doubt the sequel will be as good, just by virtue of the fact that Bayonetta 1 is so glorious and near-perfection in my eyes.

Also, could this be a special edition? Saw it posted on GAF (I get bored at work sometimes)

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« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2014, 02:43:08 pm »
Stop it! :( I don't want it to be trueeeee

I still think it won't be overkill. The Bayonetta 1 Sega References weren't obvious or imposing unless you were a fan. I doubt most players understood the "WELCOME TO MY FANTASY ZONE! GET READY", even though we were all cumming buckets of semen over it. Holy shit, I just remembered how much I love this game. I doubt the sequel will be as good, just by virtue of the fact that Bayonetta 1 is so glorious and near-perfection in my eyes.

Also, could this be a special edition? Saw it posted on GAF (I get bored at work sometimes)


Based on the long running Nintendo classic Bayonetta....

Nice package though. Kinda reminds me of the Super Famicom packages on grey import.

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Re: E3 New Bayonetta 2 footage at 60fps - Online Co op confirmed
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2014, 04:07:07 pm »
Platinum at least done nintendo references really well in wonderful 101. There's a boss fight in which you control a power ranger sort of robot against a big boss that plays like punch out. To someone who never even played punch out I thought it was really neat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aTz8nS5MZs at 14:00


Honestly with recent years i've grown a huge appreciation for what platinum does. The complexity in their game mechanics accommodate each other so well and yet Its all so polished without any bugs or glitches. There's just so much variations of how each stage is made, whether in structure, traversal, dynamics. Its all executed well and feels so effortless

Btw If you live in europe and get a wii u soon, be sure to pick up Mario Kart 8 if you're not getting the bundle. Wonderful 101 is one of the free games you can get. It is really awesome and sadly overlooked. I think this promotion will end soon. Not sure when..
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« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2014, 06:41:58 am »
I'm sure there will be Nintendo, Capcom and a few Sega references in this new game. Even cameos of other Platinum games.