New RGG game? [ PROJECT K ]

[Orta]

Oh god

 :lol:

[Sega Uranus]

Burnout is a Racer , GOW and Sonic are Platform games , thought I guess some might class the likes of Shinobi , Ninja Gaiden , GOW has action platform games .  But I can't remember playing any Burnout game with end of level boss Battles , collecting extra lives , or trying to jump on moving platforms , infact I don't think there's even a Jump button in Burnout (maybe Crazy Taxi II).

Sonic Riders has a boss at the end of the game. Not a racer now, end of.
You collect extra lives in F-Zero games. Not a racer now, end of.
Almost every cartoony kart racing game ever has moving platforms you need to jump on, end of.

Now Quit this Pisstake m9t

[MadeManG74]

Lets stop being silly , To play the WereHog sections is to play a poor man's God Of War , and where funnily enough both titles , feature outright deaths with water

To play Sonic Unleashed is to play Burnout. You to race through a pre-made track at high speeds, and it puts similar demands on the engine and performance. The jumping and attacking robots doesn't make a difference to the technical demands.

Now let us cease the extraction of urine.

And besides, you are missing our point about the water, we don't like it because it's not fun in Sonic, since they usually just surround areas with water to add instant death punishment rather than come up with fun/interesting level ideas. Not to mention with his speed, it makes it easy to fall into the apparantly highly acidic water, which means nobody wants to do any exploring, lest they end up dead again.

[Waffle]

At least you do not explode into a nuclear blast like in Grand Theft Auto 3 upon touching water (although that is New York's water).

[Team Andromeda]

To play Sonic Unleashed is to play Burnout. You to race through a pre-made track at high speeds, and it puts similar demands on the engine and performance. The jumping and attacking robots doesn't make a difference to the technical demands.

More or less every level in any game is pre-made , pre planned out
And to play Sonic , and then play Burnout is a complete different experience, and no you don't 'race' through every level in Sonic Unleashed . One has to race through levels in the CLUB , we're going to compare that to Burnout now ? /
People like to compare Burnout to OutRun , even though the gameplay and experience is a lot different  

The jumping and attacking robots doesn't make a difference to the technical demands.

Its not just jumping and attacking Robots , it's also jumping over moving platforms ECT . different games , will all have their different technical demands on the engine ,  even if in the same Gene . OutRun II demands would be totally different to PGR , Mass Effect 2 to FF 13

Yes, that is the main focus of the game, that it has action

Trouble is you can say that about a lot of games . Gears of war is action based, so is RE4, so RE5 , so is Lost Planet , so is HALO 3 .  Yet they all play quite different to God Of War .

And besides, you are missing our point about the water, we don't like it because it's not fun in Sonic, since they usually just surround areas with water to add instant death punishment rather than come up with fun/interesting level ideas

No I haven't missed the point at all . In the same level , one moment Cratos can swim in the water , the next bit; he misses a jump and lands in the water, he dies instantly  , that's  in GOW III Simon Belmont did fair much better in Castvannia IV.
Its more a place on the map , you're not really meant to be in , or land at that particular time  (for various reasons ) . So if people are going to try and be a little bit clever and say Sonic is rubbish , because its the only game where as soon as one  touches water you're dead, they're just a little bit wrong .

[MadeManG74]

The real issue here is that you can swim in Ecco the Dolphin, which is easily the most similar game to Sonic Unleashed that I can think of off-hand. The fact that Ecco allowed you to swim all those years ago, and Sonic Unleashed, which is basically trying to be the exact same thing, doesn't let you do so many years later is just a joke. It's really just dissapointing.

Now you compare this to Burnout, and we can see that the water in the game is analogous to the buildings and in some cases bollards or trees surrounding the track. Now running into these does NOT result in instant death of the driver, just like it should be. In fact, the only time I can think of something like that killing you in Burnout might be during the final boss battle, but I haven't played the game for some time, so I can't really say with accuracy.

So we can see that Ecco and Burnout both allow you to swim without dying (in fact Ecco even encourages it, although I believe this was through an accident in the coding rather than an intentional game design, similar to the Hunter/Spotter relationship in Resident Evil: Code Veronica). This is good. What is not good is that God of War and Sonic the Hedgehog (1991) again, are basically the same game with similar technical prowess, but one allows you to RUN under water (Not swim) while in the other, landing in water will occasionally kill you. It seems strange at first, but when you consider that Half-Life (which actually pre-dates God of War) allows you to swim, but with the limitation of needing to come up for air. It was obvious that the developers of God of War were influenced by this and tried to come up with some form of compromise, but in a less realistic manner to fit in with the mythological/fantasy setting of the series.

At the end of the day in God of War (not Sonic Unleashed) it's a decision made because of the art of the game. Well, Art is Art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water. And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now you tell me what you know.

[Team Andromeda]

At the end of the day in God of War (not Sonic Unleashed) it's a decision made because of the art of the game. Well, Art is Art, isn't it? Still,

Quite wrong , No it's not because of the Art of the game at all.  Also there's quite a few cheap deaths in GOW III (falling of Platforms ECT)

Maybe I'm wrong , but when people are buying a Ecco game , they're expecting the game to take place in the Water , given that its a  Marine animal (Inset Mario comeback here)
I doubt they're going to get upset that , Ecco isn't a FPS, doesn't have a vastly library  of guns , and weapons to take down enemies.  

In all my years of gaming , I've never heard or see Mega Drive, Dreamcast  , saying... You know what , you want a racer ? SONIC you're game .I've never heard,  X-Box or PS fans saying.. You want a Platform game ?, Then Burnout you're game .  I've also yet to see the Left and Right analogue triggers speed up or down Sonic (in his Platform gamers) or Official Steering  wheels  support Sonic either .

But by all means, keep on comparing Sonic to Burnout .

[MadeManG74]

I've also yet to see the Left and Right analogue triggers speed up or down Sonic (in his Platform gamers) or Official Steering wheels support Sonic either .

You can use the Official Wii Wheel to play Sonic and the Secret Rings. With this major paradigm shift you've no doubt just experienced, I trust you will now understand how foolish the previous arguments are.

I doubt they're going to get upset that , Ecco isn't a FPS, doesn't have a vastly library  of guns , and weapons to take down enemies.  

Actually, Sega Uranus (who is the biggest Ecco fan in the world, from a mathematical standpoint) has said that Halo ODST is the most similar game to Ecco around, so your argument is null and void I'm afraid.

At the end of the day God of War just is not a good racing game at all, it's far better when played as a Strategy/Abstract Puzzle game.

[Team Andromeda]

You can use the Official Wii Wheel to play Sonic and the Secret Rings

LOL , its just a plastic shell .
 I can also play SC with the Dreamcast ROD, but I'm not about to start comparing a VS fighter,  to a Fishing game.

Actually, Sega Uranus (who is the biggest Ecco fan in the world, from a mathematical standpoint) has said that Halo ODST is the most similar game to Ecco around

Ecco is now a FPS .  Next you'll be saying HALO OSTD is a lot like Yakuza IV , due to each character telling a different story , and having different moves and abilities .  I've never ever seen the Biggest HALO fans in the world , saying its the new Ecco lads , come and join the fun.
Come to think of it , HALO's Main characters don't like the water and are far from the best swimmers

At the end of the day God of War just is not a good racing game at all, it's far better when played as a Strategy/Abstract Puzzle game

I never said GOW is a racer  :roll: , neither is Sonic Platform games .
When I see people making up a list of tier Fav Platform games of all Time, I never once see Burnout in the list , and when I see people making lists of thier all time fav racers , I never seen Sonic Platform games on it.

What next , Sonic Adv is a Fishing Sim?,  not wait .... a Pinball sim , not its an traditional shooter , nor its a Snowbading game , not its Burnout .
Or is it just a Platform game

[MadeManG74]

You can use the Official Wii Wheel to play Sonic and the Secret Rings

LOL , its just a plastic shell .
 I can also play SC with the Dreamcast ROD, but I'm not about to start comparing a VS fighter,  to a Fishing game.

Star Craft shouldn't be compared to Vampire Saviour anyway. One has Vampires and Super Combos, the other has Zerg and Pylons. Completely different genres. End of.

Actually, Sega Uranus (who is the biggest Ecco fan in the world, from a mathematical standpoint) has said that Halo ODST is the most similar game to Ecco around

Ecco is now a FPS .  Next you'll be saying HALO OSTD is a lot like Yakuza IV , due to each character telling a different story , and having different moves and abilities .  I've never ever seen the Biggest HALO fans in the world , saying its the new Ecco lads , come and join the fun.
Come to think of it , HALO's Main characters don't like the water and are far from the best swimmers

Well to be fair, I would imagine it's difficult to swim in those MJOLNIR armour suits that Master Chief and co. wear, and frankly I think it's unrealistic to expect them to do any kind of water sports while wearing it.

At the end of the day God of War just is not a good racing game at all, it's far better when played as a Strategy/Abstract Puzzle game

I never said GOW is a racer  :roll: , neither is Sonic Platform games .
When I see people making up a list of tier Fav Platform games of all Time, I never once see Burnout in the list , and when I see people making lists of thier all time fav racers , I never seen Sonic Platform games on it.

What next , Sonic Adv is a Fishing Sim?,  not wait .... a Pinball sim , not its an traditional shooter , nor its a Snowbading game , not its Burnout .
Or is it just a Platform game

Sonic Adventure is NOT a fishing sim. At all. There was a Sonic the Hedgehog pinball machine though.




I'm sorry, but I don't see how you can compare a pinball game to God of War. I can see the influence of Pinball Machines in God of War's level design and maybe the way you launch Kratos with the plunger at the beginning of each game, but that's about it.

[Team Andromeda]

Star Craft shouldn't be compared to Vampire Saviour anyway. One has Vampires and Super Combos, the other has Zerg and Pylons. Completely different genres. End of.

I was unaware that I was, and yes its completely unfair to compare games , that are in different Genre's. Which is why I think its unfair to compare a racer , to a Platform game

Well to be fair, I would imagine it's difficult to swim in those MJOLNIR armour suits that Master Chief and co. wear, and frankly I think it's unrealistic to expect them to do any kind of water sports while wearing it.

And yet good old Gordon can swim in his HEV Suit, and while carrying at least a dozen weapons ?.

Sonic Adventure is NOT a fishing sim. At all. There was a Sonic the Hedgehog pinball machine though.

There is also fishing in the Game , isn't that right Big the Cat ? . There are also snowboaring/sand-boarding levels , traditional shooting levels  You might like to class Sonic Adv as a racer or what ever, while Sonic runs down Speed Highway .
When all is said and done , its a Platform game , just like Unleashed.  

but I don't see how you can compare a pinball game to God of War

I'm sorry , I did no such thing.

End of Discussion

[MadeManG74]

I'm gonna come clean, I've just been pulling your leg for the last page or so.

[Sega Uranus]

You just HAD to ruin a good thing MadeMang, DIDN'T YOU?!? I was a big fan of your last time mentioning rhubarb!

What he originally meant is that genres do not need engines that are designed with one specific game type in mind.

Good points are that F-Zero GX has the same engine as Super Monkey Ball. SEGA Superstars Tennis also shares the same engine as Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing.

I just made one complete sentence that completely proved all of your points wrong, but go ahead and ignore it again.

[Team Andromeda]

What he originally meant is that genres do not need engines that are designed with one specific game type in mind.

Hedgehog engine was/is meant to be a Multi purpose engine , its not meant for just one type of game , Didn't SEGA look in to licensing  out to 3rd party developers .
 I wouldn't say too much , but  I haven't been praising Capcom and its FrameWork engine for nothing . There's a great Multi-Purpose and Multi Platform engine , if every there was one . Which is why I continually say Capcom get it, this generation and are way ahead of most other Japanese Studios .
Even though They're on the same engine , by the same Team , I wouldn't say its fair to compare Lost Planet to Dead Rising.

[Deefy]

PROJECT K is a PlayStationPortable game  :shock:

it's on the cover of new famitsu, but is only a piece of text, probably within the pages there is also the dedicated section with more info and possibly images.