Sony Asia Conference for 9/9

[Radrappy]

They definitely liked it, cannot blame them, Yakuza and Phantasy Star are big IP in Japan.

I stand corrected.  I still don't think the conference was anywhere near the slam dunk you guys are making it out to be but meh. 

[Team Andromeda]

I will agree to that, yet the Playstation 4 continues to outsell it, it still holds more preorders than the Xbox One in any major territories.

Don't give me that line . We've no official 100% accurate data from all the retail shops on their orders for the consoles and Pre orders are one thing, how many of those pre orders will ever be canceled or appear on Ebay for a quick buck . In the end data that shows games and hardware sales for the 1st few months after launch will be far more telling .

Again, this presentation was not for you, the western, but for Japanese gamers

Pull the other one, The Toyko game show isn't meant for the West , hell there's been plenty of consoels that were Japan only and we've all have a interest in them . The fact was other than some nice news of the Vita , the show was poor in tersm of new IP for the PS4 , much less any games being shown off running on the system .

The fact you are basing your opinion on graphics shows how far apart you are from the typical Japanese gamer.

Bullshit . Graphics will also help get a game noticed and your rather weak excuse for Yakuza graphics don't cover that . Deep Down just looked far more impressive and far more next gen .

[tarpmortar]

Don't give me that line . We've no official 100% accurate data from all the retail shops on their orders for the consoles and Pre orders are one thing, how many of those pre orders will ever be canceled or appear on Ebay for a quick buck . In the end data that shows games and hardware sales for the 1st few months after launch will be far more telling .

I don't think anybody is denying that long term sales are more important but to sit here and say we should completely ignore all available data? That's deflecting. Especially when the sales data you look forward to is also incomplete. Also systems being sold on eBay matters how? That's still a sold system as far as Sony is concerned

Pull the other one, The Toyko game show isn't meant for the West , hell there's been plenty of consoels that were Japan only and we've all have a interest in them . The fact was other than some nice news of the Vita , the show was poor in tersm of new IP for the PS4 , much less any games being shown off running on the system .

Sony has a lot of new IP, they haven't really shown a ton, that's for sure but their track record for such things is certainly good. They have the largest first party infrastructure in the world, they support and develop new IP more than any other publisher I can think of. Not sure why games running on the system matters, have we seen Xbox One games run on something that's not Windows 7?

Bullshit . Graphics will also help get a game noticed and your rather weak excuse for Yakuza graphics don't cover that . Deep Down just looked far more impressive and far more next gen .

Graphics are a low priority frankly, devs should focus on affordable costs over graphics. This constant pushing of the envelope is killing the industry. Also, most consumers (especially in Japan) have been pleased with graphics for quite some time and don't need games on the cutting edge, see: Wii, PS2, handhelds being dominant in Japan (in particular DS), etc.

[Team Andromeda]

Also systems being sold on eBay matters how? That's still a sold system as far as Sony is concerned

It's just people selling it to make a few quid and some desperate people then buying one because they think it's the next best thing . In the end it's games and retail sales that will drive any console.

They have the largest first party infrastructure in the world, they support and develop new IP more than any other publisher I can think of

Yep so to be outgunned by MS at this late stage is a bit telling . MS Gone from having nothing to show and now a lot more than SONY for launch . Totally different from that of when both consoles were 1st revealed .

Not sure why games running on the system matters, have we seen Xbox One games run on something that's not Windows 7?

It matters when you're just weeks away from shipping those games and yes we have seen games running on production XBox One - I think that was the case for gamesgone

Graphics are a low priority frankly, devs should focus on affordable costs over graphic

That's an old excuse and a very old line . All games are developed on super PC's these days in most cases developvers already have the equiment needed for next gen development

see: Wii, PS2, handhelds being dominant in Japan (in particular DS), etc.

Yes and see Japan and its developers lose more market share, more development skills to the west . Quite sad really

 

[Aki-at]

This doesn't make sense.  Almost all I play are japanese games.  You really think they're excited to see Dynasty Warriors again?  Or a 5 second trailer for a generic Gundam game?  Or 5 minutes of deep down footage that made no sense?  Or a cutscene from yakuza that had no gameplay?  Or freaking KNACK?? Just because they're Japanese doesn't mean they have no meter of quality.

As of March 30th 2013

Dynasty Warriors 6 / Dynasty Warriors 6 [PlayStation 3 the Best] - 416,288 (Koei) {2007-11-11}
Warriors Orochi 3 - 395,411 (Koei Tecmo) {2011-12-22}
Samurai Warriors 3 Z - 328,716 (Koei Tecmo) {2011-02-10}
Dynasty Warriors 8 - 325,807 (Koei Tecmo) {2013-02-28}
Musou Orochi Z - 221,718 (Koei) {2009-03-12}

So as you can see, yes they are still very much interested in the Dynasty Warriors series. Infact, the latest Dynasty Warriors has sold more than Bayonetta, Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Devil May Cry 4, Demon's Souls and has just been outsold by Dark Souls without it hitting The Playstation 3 The Best edition.

Whilst I am not sure what hype a new Gundam could generate, it is a major IP still in Japan and continues to get merchandise, TV series and the games continue to be popular with most selling over 300,000 units.

Deep Down is a new IP so its hard to grasp just how well it would do and all I can point to in my library of historical sales are figures of other dungeon crawlers. I am however off put by the mere fact it has no single player component.

And of course they would be excited for Yakuza, it featured 8 of the most popular Yakuza characters in the history of the franchise, 8 out of the 10 voted as the best characters in the series appeared in it. It also helps that it takes on a popular period in Japanese history as well as Kiryu portraying not one, but two historical figures who have had countless fiction based on them.

I agree that I see no point on Knack, but my good friend Taro has consistently mentioned that Crash was huge in Japan so there is that. Can't do bad as a packin title either.

Let's put this another way in a hypothetical situation;

"This doesn't make sense.  Almost all I play are Western games.  You really think they're excited to see a LEGO game again?  Or a 5 second trailer for a generic Batman game?  Or 5 minutes of Watchdogs footage that made no sense?  Or a cutscene from Beyond that had no gameplay?  Or freaking RATCHET?? Just because they're Western doesn't mean they have no meter of quality. "

So you see, different folks different strokes.

Also, who are you to judge it went fantastically if we as western audience members have no gauge of what they're looking for over there?

You base your foundations on what you want, I base my foundations on sales numbers and hype via Famitsu, Dengaki, Sinobi and Comgnet. Feel free to come back with evidence and counter my points.

But I see Spencer has already shown how well it went down with most Japanese gamers.

[Aki-at]

Don't give me that line . We've no official 100% accurate data from all the retail shops on their orders for the consoles and Pre orders are one thing, how many of those pre orders will ever be canceled or appear on Ebay for a quick buck . In the end data that shows games and hardware sales for the 1st few months after launch will be far more telling .

Amazon preorders are above that of the Xbox One. The general consensus for gamers seem to be of overwhelming demand for the Playstation 4 and whenever anyone has put their job on the line, leaked data shows the Playstation 4 has a 6 to 1 lead over the Xbox One in mainland Europe.

I see very little point arguing about preorders being cancelled or scalpers, this has happened to every console ever and can easily be argued against the Xbox One too, so that is a moot point.

Pull the other one, The Toyko game show isn't meant for the West , hell there's been plenty of consoels that were Japan only and we've all have a interest in them . The fact was other than some nice news of the Vita , the show was poor in tersm of new IP for the PS4 , much less any games being shown off running on the system .

What... Is your point? That because you like Japanese stuff and that nothing of note interested you here equates to what exactly? One of the shows major highlights was a series that you no longer have interest in but many Japanese gamers do. And as evidence shown by my friend Taro, many were satisfied by the presentation, 70% giving it a 5 out of 5.

Bullshit . Graphics will also help get a game noticed and your rather weak excuse for Yakuza graphics don't cover that . Deep Down just looked far more impressive and far more next gen .

Again, what is your point? You're coming in this from the mindset that graphics are a hook for Japanese gamers but sales for the 7th generation tells me exactly the opposite. Posts something to the contrary but back it up with evidence.

[Radrappy]

As of March 30th 2013

Dynasty Warriors 6 / Dynasty Warriors 6 [PlayStation 3 the Best] - 416,288 (Koei) {2007-11-11}
Warriors Orochi 3 - 395,411 (Koei Tecmo) {2011-12-22}
Samurai Warriors 3 Z - 328,716 (Koei Tecmo) {2011-02-10}
Dynasty Warriors 8 - 325,807 (Koei Tecmo) {2013-02-28}
Musou Orochi Z - 221,718 (Koei) {2009-03-12}

So as you can see, yes they are still very much interested in the Dynasty Warriors series. Infact, the latest Dynasty Warriors has sold more than Bayonetta, Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Devil May Cry 4, Demon's Souls and has just been outsold by Dark Souls without it hitting The Playstation 3 The Best edition.

Whilst I am not sure what hype a new Gundam could generate, it is a major IP still in Japan and continues to get merchandise, TV series and the games continue to be popular with most selling over 300,000 units.

Deep Down is a new IP so its hard to grasp just how well it would do and all I can point to in my library of historical sales are figures of other dungeon crawlers. I am however off put by the mere fact it has no single player component.

And of course they would be excited for Yakuza, it featured 8 of the most popular Yakuza characters in the history of the franchise, 8 out of the 10 voted as the best characters in the series appeared in it. It also helps that it takes on a popular period in Japanese history as well as Kiryu portraying not one, but two historical figures who have had countless fiction based on them.

I agree that I see no point on Knack, but my good friend Taro has consistently mentioned that Crash was huge in Japan so there is that. Can't do bad as a packin title either.

Let's put this another way in a hypothetical situation;

"This doesn't make sense.  Almost all I play are Western games.  You really think they're excited to see a LEGO game again?  Or a 5 second trailer for a generic Batman game?  Or 5 minutes of Watchdogs footage that made no sense?  Or a cutscene from Beyond that had no gameplay?  Or freaking RATCHET?? Just because they're Western doesn't mean they have no meter of quality. "

So you see, different folks different strokes.

You base your foundations on what you want, I base my foundations on sales numbers and hype via Famitsu, Dengaki, Sinobi and Comgnet. Feel free to come back with evidence and counter my points.

But I see Spencer has already shown how well it went down with most Japanese gamers.

So because they rolled out new iterations of a few already established and popular brands, the presentation went fantastically?  I understand that Dynasty Warriors is popular.  Lots of terrible things are.  It doesn't make the ps4 line up they had to show any more interesting.

Did you really watch this thing Aki, squealing to yourself that "SONY HAS DONE IT AGAIN?"  Over Dynasty Warriors?  Or a new Yakuza cutscene for a game that we already knew was coming?  I mean, what was it that excited you so much about this conference? 
 
"This doesn't make sense.  Almost all I play are Western games.  You really think they're excited to see a LEGO game again?  Or a 5 second trailer for a generic Batman game?  Or 5 minutes of Watchdogs footage that made no sense?  Or a cutscene from Beyond that had no gameplay?  Or freaking RATCHET?? Just because they're Western doesn't mean they have no meter of quality. "

To be fair, that sounds like a pretty crappy presentation as well, providing watchdogs was the only game that had footage shown. 

[Aki-at]

So because they rolled out new iterations of a few already established and popular brands, the presentation went fantastically?  I understand that Dynasty Warriors is popular.  Lots of terrible things are.  It doesn't make the ps4 line up they had to show any more interesting.

Again, you are perceiving it how you want to perceive it, rather than the grand schemes of things. I am not interested in Halo, yet I know the effect it had in Microsoft's E3 presentation. I am not interested in Final Fantasy, yet I know the effect it had in Sony's E3 presentation. I am interested in Rime, yet I know in the grand scheme of things it will do low numbers compared to the heavy hitters Sony has in store.

You cannot view this presentation by what you want, this was tailored for Japanese gamers and the media, you just sweeping Dynasty Warriors under the carpet as some sort of terrible game whilst overlooking the general strength of the brand shows that you are just looking at it from your limited point of view.

And as I seem to have to consistently mention, this was but the preshow to the Tokyo Game Show where we will definitely see more gameplay on Yakuza, on Phantasy Star Nova, on Deep Down etc, they are not about to showcase everything off when they know full well the main course is on the 20th of this month.

Did you really watch this thing Aki, squealing to yourself that "SONY HAS DONE IT AGAIN?"  Over Dynasty Warriors?  Or a new Yakuza cutscene for a game that we already knew was coming?  I mean, what was it that excited you so much about this conference?

Outside of Crimson Dragon, I was not one bit interested in Microsoft's E3 presentation. It was however a well made and put together presentation that helped them regain some lost ground.

I'm not looking at this presentation as what I want, you can mention something is good for a market without being interested in it. It's not a hard concept to grasp. Sony is coming into the eighth generation more prepared than they were in the seventh generation for the Japanese market, just compare the launches;

Playstation 3: BLAST·FACTOR, Kidou Senshi Gundam: Target In Sight, Ridge Racer 7, Miyazato San Kyoudai Naizou: SEGA GOLFCLUB, Resistance: Jinrui Botsuraku no Hi, Genji: Kamui Souran

Playstation 4: Knack, Assassin’s Creed 4, Battlefield 4, Call of Duty: Ghosts, Doki-Doki Universe, Dream Club: Host Girls on Stage, Driveclub, Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends, FIFA 14, Final Fantasy 14: A Realm Reborn (the beta), Hohokum, Killzone: Shadow Fall, Natural Doctrine, Puzzle 4 Sudoku, Tottemo E Mahjong Plus, Resogun, Strider, Ryu Ga Gotoku: Ishin and Watch Dogs.

A mix of well known Japanese brands, major Western IPs that do well in Japan and titles that will do well with the otaku crowd.

"This doesn't make sense.  Almost all I play are Western games.  You really think they're excited to see a LEGO game again?  Or a 5 second trailer for a generic Batman game?  Or 5 minutes of Watchdogs footage that made no sense?  Or a cutscene from Beyond that had no gameplay?  Or freaking RATCHET?? Just because they're Western doesn't mean they have no meter of quality. "

To be fair, that sounds like a pretty crappy presentation as well, providing watchdogs was the only game that had footage shown. 

It's a fairly moderate presentation that would do well for a preshow to E3. This presentation was that.

[Team Andromeda]

Amazon preorders are above that of the Xbox One.

Amazon UK were saying the other month that the XBox One has broken their pre order records . Its all very much up in the air and I never read much in pre orders anyway . Cube smashed those of the XBox and yet the XBox sold far more . 

Sales numbers of hardware and software in the months after launch are far more telling .

That because you like Japanese stuff and that nothing of note interested you here equates to what exactly?

? I'm just said that other than a few nice bits of Vita news SONY had little to show off with the PS4 .

One of the shows major highlights was a series that you no longer have interest in but many Japanese gamers do

 Yakuza 3 and its sequels aren't  even close to being a million seller IP. There's far more IP in Japan that sells over a million copies in Japan alone

Again, what is your point?

Graphics count for a lot and help sell a game . SEGA used to love to shout about its High end graphics once and ever to this day people go on about how far ahead the DC was for the the time . Graphics help with a game and it was an aera that SEGA used to be a world leader in once , sadly those days seem over

but sales for the 7th generation tells me exactly the opposite

All they prove is Japan is becoming ever more irrelevant -with its shirking market and low game sales . Sad to see the Japanese gaming industry to be in such a mess after leading the world with the 16 and 32 bit systems

[Aki-at]

Amazon UK were saying the other month that the XBox One has broken their pre order records . Its all very much up in the air and I never read much in pre orders anyway . Cube smashed those of the XBox and yet the XBox sold far more . 

Where? Find me the article, then I'll believe you. You can pop onto Amazon at anytime and see that for the year 2013, the Playstation 4 is still the better seller than the Xbox One, which clearly refutes the claim you made.

As for trying to introduce the Gamecube into this equation, it was healthy for Nintendo. For Sony coming off of the Playstation it would have been shambolic and is no way related to the performance of the Playstation brand.

Sales numbers of hardware and software in the months after launch are far more telling .

This is not what we are discussing. Christmas period is what we were discussing.

? I'm just said that other than a few nice bits of Vita news SONY had little to show off with the PS4 .

Ryu Ga Gotoku Ishin, Dynasty Warriors 8 and Deep Down. Two are major franchises in Japan, one a new IP that should do well. The rest were teasers for the main event. But what was your point, I stated this was for the Japanese gamers and you go on a tangent how it should be directed at us, I fail to see why.
 

Yakuza 3 and its sequels aren't  even close to being a million seller IP. There's far more IP in Japan that sells over a million copies in Japan alone

Name them. Console IPs, last generation, not belonging to Nintendo.

Final Fantasy and Monster Hunter are the only ones. So much for your belief there are far more.

Graphics count for a lot and help sell a game . SEGA used to love to shout about its High end graphics once and ever to this day people go on about how far ahead the DC was for the the time . Graphics help with a game and it was an aera that SEGA used to be a world leader in once , sadly those days seem over

All they prove is Japan is becoming ever more irrelevant -with its shirking market and low game sales . Sad to see the Japanese gaming industry to be in such a mess after leading the world with the 16 and 32 bit systems

What the hell are you even going on about? We are not here talking about what you want, we are talking about the Japanese market. Stop mixing what you want, what you wished, what you desire, as believing that is what the Japanese market wants.