The Console War..the truth...

[ROJM]

USA and UK - No doubt about it  clear win for SEGA ,The rest of Europe not so clear and Japan it was a total non contest . Overall the Snes sold some 8 to 10 million units of Hardware  over the MD . Worldwide the Snes had the bigger market share.  Dominated is a BIG world and the MD didn't dominated the Snes in the West , in Japan Nintendo had over 90% of the Video games market to call its own - That's true domination, same went for the NES in America.

Its not really a big word.The majority of europe supported the MD over the SNES. Even if you add the sales from Germany and France which wasn't clear cut for Nintendo..Sega had the bigger share in europe overall.

Nintendo own official figs put the Snes sales down has 8.5 million in Europe while  some 23 million were sold in USA. Nintendo always do well in Germany and more so in France (Nintendo mags would love to talk about this at the time) . So looking at them overall the Mega Drive outsold the Snes in the West by 5 odd million units . The trouble was the Snes sold over 15 million units in Japan , compared to sales of around 4 million . So thanks to Japan Nintendo was able to boost the bigger world wide market share
 

Again the sales the final sales were from the SNES still on sale after the war didn't matter. It wasn't just down to japan. Again when it came down to it in the most important market which was AMERICA, Sega won.

[Nameless 24]

Reading the recently released Mega Drive Book really hit home how hard SOA put into the marketshare.

Although the 32x is a little more hazy, as it states that it was SOA's idea and that SOJ were willing to give it some space before the Saturn launched.

Some of it doesn't all read as if it's some big war but I guess the relationship waned when the Saturn came to be and SOA saw the problems well before SOJ did.

[ROJM]

Reading the recently released Mega Drive Book really hit home how hard SOA put into the marketshare.

Although the 32x is a little more hazy, as it states that it was SOA's idea and that SOJ were willing to give it some space before the Saturn launched.

Some of it doesn't all read as if it's some big war but I guess the relationship waned when the Saturn came to be and SOA saw the problems well before SOJ did.

Except it wasn't...It was an idea from SOJ that SOA took up on. All the interviews from the main people involved had stated that way before this book came out...

[Nameless 24]

If it's inaccurate, then wouldn't the Publisher mention this?


I don't think they'd sell the book if they wanted to misinterpret what was said?

[ROJM]

If it's inaccurate, then wouldn't the Publisher mention this?


I don't think they'd sell the book if they wanted to misinterpret what was said?

It is inaccurate. And which book are you going on about?

[jonboy101]

If it's inaccurate, then wouldn't the Publisher mention this?


I don't think they'd sell the book if they wanted to misinterpret what was said?

Why wouldn't they? Books distort the truth all the time.

[Team Andromeda]

Its not really a big word.The majority of europe supported the MD over the SNES

It is a big world and while the MD outsold the Snes in the USA and UK , the Snes it's self more than held it's own and sold more than well enough . True domination is what Nintendo was able to do in Japan with the NES and Snes and command over 90% of the entire Japanese market .


Thanks to Japan Nintendo was always able to boast more worldwide marketshare than SEGA , but SEGA had the key vital America Market and that's the one you want for massive profits

[ROJM]

It is a big world and while the MD outsold the Snes in the USA and UK , the Snes it's self more than held it's own and sold more than well enough . True domination is what Nintendo was able to do in Japan with the NES and Snes and command over 90% of the entire Japanese market .


Thanks to Japan Nintendo was always able to boast more worldwide marketshare than SEGA , but SEGA had the key vital America Market and that's the one you want for massive profits

Really. Its funny that japan sales didn't actually help SNES during the period that i'm talking about when Sega had 80 percent of the market  worldwide. It only count because the SNES sold  longer  when it didn't matter. So no Nintendo didn't win anything as anyone can see how the N64 was Nintendo former self. Sega screwed them up and beat them so bad..they just couldn't really compete on any level...even when they had strong games. It was only Pokemon that saved their ass in the west.

[Nirmugen]

And not only that: All the investments for the Sony CD, FX Chip, Virtual Boy and more "arrangement" deals with developers like Capcom or Konami cost the dollar to Nintendo. Even they struggled to reach profit in those times. Bot Pókemon and the Wii were the miracle hit before. Now they expect that for the Amiibos.

Also,I don't see or know why the FX chip was such a sucess. Yeah, Star Fox was a revelation in 93 but only other game of 9 total of other ones with the chip was sucessful: SMW 2.

[Team Andromeda]

Really. Its funny that japan sales didn't actually help SNES during the period that i'm talking about when Sega had 80 percent of the market

SEGA never had 80% of the market in the USA or Europe the only market SEGA came close to having that sort of Market share was the Arcade when SEGA had near 75% of the Arcade market to call its own in the 90's . In the Mega Drive days at system height the last stats I saw in the Press at the time gave SEGA 64% market share inthe USA and that bloody Street Fighter II came along and really saved the SNES in the West 


Even the UK SEGA didn't have 80% Of the Market Gallup figures for total user base in 1994 in the UK gave SEGA a milion unit lead over the Snes with 2,500,000 Million Mega Drive's Vs 150,000,000 Million. Japan was just Nintendo and the Snes so popular they only stopped official production of the unit in 2003   

[ROJM]

SEGA never had 80% of the market in the USA or Europe the only market SEGA came close to having that sort of Market share was the Arcade when SEGA had near 75% of the Arcade market to call its own in the 90's . In the Mega Drive days at system height the last stats I saw in the Press at the time gave SEGA 64% market share inthe USA and that bloody Street Fighter II came along and really saved the SNES in the West 


Even the UK SEGA didn't have 80% Of the Market Gallup figures for total user base in 1994 in the UK gave SEGA a milion unit lead over the Snes with 2,500,000 Million Mega Drive's Vs 150,000,000 Million. Japan was just Nintendo and the Snes so popular they only stopped official production of the unit in 2003   

They did mate.    Its a fact Sega had the majority of the market.  Japan sales for Nintendo never shifted the market to their favor until AFTER sega moved onto the Saturn and the PSX was in  full swing..when it didn't matter anymore. France (which sega was in the leaked by a small margin)and Germany combined never overtook the sales that sega had in the UK and then rest of the european nations..Sega smashed Nintendo to bits. So you can keep spinning you're crap..with out of date data...especially when i have the actual figures from that time and the adjusted figures. Something that you have unable to back up..unlike me..the person who states facts and have the evidence to back me up..when i need to. Again its a waste of time...so don't bother  with this until you have actual figures and revised figures from the noughties data sheets.

[Nintendo]

ROJM is quite the troll, no?

Here's the fact: Worldwide the SNES outsold the Genesis 49.1 million to 40 million. Sega may have won on some regions but lost so badly in others the SNES came out the victor.

Sega's never won a console war but were close with the Genesis. They've won several major battles but ultimately lost the war.

In American football, there's a phenomenon known as "garbage time." If one team has decisively beaten the other, but there's still a fair amount of time left in the game, the winning team usually rests most of their starters and lets the back-ups play against the losing team in the remaining "garbage time." The losing team is then able to score some points, and often racks up some statistics that look impressive on paper if you hadn't actually watched the game and seen how thoroughly they were beaten.

That's basically what happened with the SNES. It didn't surpass the sales of the Gen/MD until it didn't matter anymore, when the entire industry was moving on into the next generation. When 16-bit was relevant, Sega beat Nintendo decisively.

And the huge flaw with your analogy is that the losing team made a comeback and won the game. Sega has nothing but to blame itself for losing in such a way, and the idea that "it didn't matter anymore" is a ridiculous excuse. A coach would get sacked for saying something like this: "We lost the game due to fielding our reserve team, but we were ahead by a comfortable amount of points so it didn't really matter that the opposing team were scoring and made the comeback against us. Since that didn't matter, we actually won."

Realize how ridiculous that sounds? The cold fact is that in the end, Sega lost, and has never won a console war while it was a first-party company. Only Nintendo and Sony (and perhaps Atari) can claim victory for at least one console war.

[jonboy101]

What a statement! So then by your estimation if the PS3 continues to be sold for another few years, and it eventually catches up to the Wii and outsells it, the Nintendo lost the last one?

[ROJM]

ROJM is quite the troll, no?

No its someone joining a SEGA fan forum and calling themselves Nintendo

Here's the fact: Worldwide the SNES outsold the Genesis 49.1 million to 40 million. Sega may have won on some regions but lost so badly in others the SNES came out the victor.

Yawn. And you break it down Sega had the majority of that market while Nintendo had japan which is why they have that number. After the fact when the 16 bit market didn't matter anymore.

Sega's never won a console war but were close with the Genesis. They've won several major battles but ultimately lost the war.

Sega won the war. When you have the market to yourself for three years in which time you crushed a competitor in the form of NEC, Then you are joined by Nintendo who never was able to outsell Sega during the height of the 16bit era...And you're competitor only beats you when the company being Sega is going full tilt with their new console and NOT supporting the old one anymore because everyone has MOVED on from old tech..means you won. You know it which is why you came down here.   

And the huge flaw with your analogy is that the losing team made a comeback and won the game. Sega has nothing but to blame itself for losing in such a way, and the idea that "it didn't matter anymore" is a ridiculous excuse. A coach would get sacked for saying something like this: "We lost the game due to fielding our reserve team, but we were ahead by a comfortable amount of points so it didn't really matter that the opposing team were scoring and made the comeback against us. Since that didn't matter, we actually won."

It didn't. 96 32 era had began to dominate. Sega and Sony was well into  their own console war..nintendo just picked up the scraps that Sega left them. In the years where it did matter Nintendo never BEAT Sega once. I have the back up..you obviously don't..or are you gonna dispute the report too? Nintendo was NEVER ahead. You never had america..never had South America and never had the majority of Europe. If i threw in Hong Kong..the biggest market outside Japan in Asia and you find you didn't have them too.

The cold fact is that in the end, Sega lost, and has never won a console war while it was a first-party company. Only Nintendo and Sony (and perhaps Atari) can claim victory for at least one console war.

Sega won it because they beat Nintendo head to head for FIVE straight years. That's the reality. Claiming victory because you stayed in a market that didn't matter anymore isn't a victory.

Realize how ridiculous that sounds?

What's ridiculous is a stupid nintendo kid coming in here and think that they can challenge me on this. My reputation around here isn't in question. However no one knows who you are and on top of that are more likely to side with me than they are with you because of how you introduced yourself around here.

[ROJM]

What a statement! So then by your estimation if the PS3 continues to be sold for another few years, and it eventually catches up to the Wii and outsells it, the Nintendo lost the last one?

Yep that's exactly what he's saying. Sega gave Nintendo a beating and a whipping.
Thanks to several key elements.

Being the first to launch to market.
EA
Disney Marvel and MJ.
Sonic.
Mortal Kombat
Night Trap..
Tom Kalinske.

And i won't bother including the sega commercials...the price drops and special pack ins...the Game tours..the cool celebrity endorsements..Sega's media presence..Sega sports..Treasure and others that helped maintain Sega's dominance over Nintendo in that era..
Nintendo never won the console war. They got smashed. And that is the reason..the sole reason they just weren't up to compete against Sony.
Nintendo had to stay in the market for one reason. The SNES had to make its investment back. They were counting on america to help them do that. But it didn't happen. That's the reason why Nintendo STAYED as long as they did..that's the reason why the N64 came out when it did. They had no choice.Same reason why Sony's PS3 is still on market because the R+D investment hasn't really been met. In fact each system since the NES, Nintendo LOST money because they weren't strong sellers. That's why they went in the direction with the Wii because the GC was a big failure and didn't get near its investment on the tech they used. So they had to use the same tech again with a different shell...and it took off. Nintendo has not been able to compete directly with Sega, Sony and MS in terms of game tech so they go the cheaper route. And now they're paying a more heavy price with the WiiU.