The Console War..the truth...

[jonboy101]

Either post something of substance or don't post. Don't post promising a reply. And let's cool the debate guys.

Will do. Thanks for keeping Nintendo in check and on point.




TA - Wouldnt Nintendo profits and share value be buttressed by things like ongoing NES sales or GB sales? Not quite a testament to SNES sales or success.

[ROJM]

Will do. Thanks for keeping Nintendo in check and on point.




TA - Wouldnt Nintendo profits and share value be buttressed by things like ongoing NES sales or GB sales? Not quite a testament to SNES sales or success.

Nintendo's shares at that point would only had value thanks to the gameboy..and reputation...but it wasn't the hot ticket to invest in during the mid nineties...Sega shares shot up during that period.
As TA kee[s stating that Sega wasn't popular in europe and all that jazz that they didn't have any money.
Does anyone remember the rise of the sega arcade amusement centres during the nineties? They were family attractions with rides and arcade games or small ones with arcades just in them. They started  popping all over europe during 94 and beyond. The same happened in America with the Gameworks centres. Sega had so much money they started to buy or build these kinda centres and basically cement their domination as an family entetainment arcade centre in the united states and the west..pretty much like they already did in Japan. There was NO way they would have been able to do that..do so many in a short space of time if they weren't getting TONS of monry from the Genesis/sega systems..and their arcade games. And they still had money to play with in creating the other add ons and the saturn. So no...Nintendo wasn't even in Sega's LEAGUE during the nineties. All nintendo had was the gameboy and that was it...the evidence is there to see..sega had nearly 7 systems at the same time various arcade centres among other things. Sega won the console war and they had the money to splash around to show that they had won.

[Team Andromeda]

TA - Wouldnt Nintendo profits and share value be buttressed by things like ongoing NES sales or GB sales? Not quite a testament to SNES sales or success.

Of course they would . That doesn't change the fact that the Snes outsold the Mega Drive or the fact that Nintendo had more bigger worldwide market share than SEGA at any point during the 80's and 90's. 

Nintendo's shares at that point would only had value thanks to the gameboy..and reputation...but it wasn't the hot ticket to invest in during the mid nineties...Sega shares shot up during that period

Nintendo shares have were always more valuable because Nintendo was a far more profitable corp in those days, SEGA share went up in the early 90's but never enough to trouble Nintendo and in 1997 SEGA shares were taking a bit of big hit and took a slamming on the Bandai deal .

There was NO way they would have been able to do that..do so many in a short space of time if they weren't getting TONS of monry from the Genesis/sega systems..and their arcade games.

In 1992 I think SEGA posted a profit of $400 million, not bad but Nintendo was more than double . Nintendo had more than 3 billion dollars in the bank in cash reserves alone thanks to the sales of the NES and in the 90's it owned Japan and the Snes was far far from a flop in Europe or USA . Stop trying to fool people or paint a different picture of what it was like . Nintendo was always bigger than SEGA in terms of profits or cash reserves

the evidence is there to see..sega had nearly 7 systems at the same time various arcade centres among other things.

 

It shows how loss SEGA was with it's cash . Looking over how the MS didn't sell great in the USA or Japan and totally destroyed by the NES , how the Game Boy totally outsold the GG and the Snes outsold the MD, the Saturn outsold by the N64 and on . Atari it's self had a number of systems with the Lynx , Jaguar , St and The Falcon ECT - that doesn't mean you're making loads of money or they are good investments . SEGA spent a fortune on the SEGA worlds and they all went pear shape, wasted million on the 32X and was just too lose with its cash and had too many projects on the go

For all your hype and talk of SEGA in the late 90's they making massive losses of over $200 million its share price was taking a smashing and then in the end a bloody Pachinko corp could buy SEGA for less than $500 million

[/size] Here's some facts

[/size]Nintendo share of the total videogame market revenue in 1994 - 65%
Nintendo Cash reserves in 1994 -  $3.334 Billion[/font]



Nintendo had more money in the bank than what it would take to buy SEGA outright [/font]

[jonboy101]

I was saying that Nintendo's cash reserves and stock value shouldn't be taken as testament to the success of the SNES or investors perception of it.

Nintendo's share of overall game market would likewise include game boy. I was of the impression this was about the 16 bit wars, not the whole rivalry.

Sega would have been worth more than 3.4 bill at the time. A company's value is more than just liquid assets you know.






To clarify, I'm not taking the position the SNES was an outright flop, just that it sold less than Nintendo wagered.

[Team Andromeda]

I was saying that Nintendo's cash reserves and stock value shouldn't be taken as testament to the success of the SNES or investors perception of it

Nintendo $3 billion in cash reserves was thanks to the NES alone . That's not to say the Snes wasn't a complete success and sold more  units that the MD or that worldwide the Snes didn't have more market share . When it comes down to it thanks the Snes and the GB Nintendo was able to post profits that were always double that of SEGA's and that's taking the whole SEGA Group into account .


SEGA dominated the UK 16 bit market , it beat Nintendo in the USA too , but sadly was letdown in Japan and thanks to Japan Snes was able to sell more units of hardware overall

Sega would have been worth more than 3.4 bill at the time. A company's value is more than just liquid assets you know.

Well they weren't and SEGA at the time was having to reduce it workforce with big layoffs in the USA and Canada closing down one of its Arcade manufacturing plans and various other cost cutting measures after SEGA profits shrunk to $40 million in 1997 - There's a reason why SEGA and CSK were looking to merge with Bandai and it wasn't because SEGA (or indeed Bandai) at the time were doing well .


The combined revenue of the 2 corps would have only been $6 billion, so it be sheer madness to even value SEGA at 3.4 billion   
     

[ROJM]

Of course they would . That doesn't change the fact that the Snes outsold the
Mega Drive or the fact that Nintendo had more bigger worldwide market share than
SEGA at any point during the 80's and 90's. 

It never outsold the Megadrive. It never beat the megadrive DURING its lifetime. It only sold more after the megadrive platform was dropped. And Sega had the larger marketshare during its RUN.  Stop lying.

Nintendo shares have were always more valuable because Nintendo was a far more
profitable corp in those days, SEGA share went up in the early 90's but never
enough to trouble Nintendo and in 1997 SEGA shares were taking a bit of big hit
and took a slamming on the Bandai deal .

Not in the nineties they weren't. Sega was the hot ticket back in the early to mid nineties that's a fact.

In 1992 I think SEGA posted a profit of $400 million, not bad but Nintendo was
more than double . Nintendo had more than 3 billion dollars in the bank in cash
reserves alone thanks to the sales of the NES and in the 90's it owned Japan and
the Snes was far far from a flop in Europe or USA . Stop trying to fool people
or paint a different picture of what it was like . Nintendo was always bigger
than SEGA in terms of profits or cash reserves

See how he spins..he uses the cash reserve number not the actual profits that they made. Again proving my point. And were not talking about the NES. That's how sad you are that you have to bring a console from the eight bit era which had a huge unfair advantage over its competitors. The truth is that when Nintendo faced competition..they lost most of the time. Only the Wii was when they actually won the console war fairly. With the NES it was cheating tactics that got them that dominance.


 

It shows how loss SEGA was with
it's cash . Looking over how the MS didn't sell great in the USA or Japan and
totally destroyed by the NES , how the Game Boy totally outsold the GG and the
Snes outsold the MD, the Saturn outsold by the N64 and on . Atari it's self had
a number of systems with the Lynx , Jaguar , St and The Falcon ECT - that
doesn't mean you're making loads of money or they are good investments . SEGA
spent a fortune on the SEGA worlds and they all went pear shape, wasted million
on the 32X and was just too lose with its cash and had too many projects on the
go

It does actually. Stop trying to side wind the issue with no name companies..who didn't build arcade centres all over the world..supporting 7 systems...creating game content for arcads..and had a toy division.

For all your hype and talk of
SEGA in the late 90's they making massive losses of over $200 million its share
price was taking a smashing and then in the end a bloody Pachinko corp could buy
SEGA for less than $500 million

Not hype facts..which you don't deal with.
And we know who to blame don't we..SOJ the idiots who don't know how to run a buisness proprly. Sega only made MONEY when the americans ran the company..

Here's some facts


Nintendo share of the total videogame
market revenue in 1994 - 65% Nintendo Cash reserves in 1994 -  $3.334
BillionNintendo had more money in the bank than what it would take to
buy SEGA outright

 
Again Cash reserves, not actual profit..and we know how Nintendo saved the cash...And that little post a quote isn't evidence. Still can't find anything to counter my data sheet huh..why? Because its a fact that's why. All you are doing is repeating myth and fairy stories. Nothing no actual data from actual up to date data sheets to back you up.


 
 

[ROJM]

I was saying that Nintendo's cash reserves and stock value shouldn't be taken as testament to the success of the SNES or investors perception of it.

Nintendo's share of overall game market would likewise include game boy. I was of the impression this was about the 16 bit wars, not the whole rivalry.

Sega would have been worth more than 3.4 bill at the time. A company's value is more than just liquid assets you know.






To clarify, I'm not taking the position the SNES was an outright flop, just that it sold less than Nintendo wagered.

Of course it shouldn't. Not once did he try to post the actual profits of the SNES during that period. He keeps banging on about it won and it won that. Cash reserves is what's left after the company pays out all the costs it has to. And the way Nintendo worked..they built up their reserve..which is what Segasammy is doing. So you can't count reserves...because it isn't profit. When you look into the profit from SNES its very telling and minimal. So yes JB it was a flop. The SNES flopped. And only got the lead with japan AFTER the MD went off the market.

[Team Andromeda]

It never outsold the Megadrive

It outsold the MD by millions in Japan and the Snes also outsold the MD in France and Spain - Not that made much difference really it was Japan that was the killer for SEGA and where the Snes outsold the MD by over 10 million units ,wiping. out it's sale advantage in the USA and UK.

Not in the nineties they weren't.

Nintendo always had a higher share price and in 1997 SEGA share price started to take a hammering on the back of poor set of results and profits of just $40 million. 

he uses the cash reserve number not the actual profits that they made.

Try no . Nintendo pre tax profits of over a billion in 1991/2 and cash reserves of over $3.4 billion . SEGA profits for the same period around the 400 to 600 million

The truth is that when Nintendo faced competition..they lost most of the time

When you say such utter rubbish like that its little wonder no-one will take your seriously....

NES/Famicom - Clear win for Nintendo

Super Famicom/Snes - Another win for Nintedno

Gameboy - Win for Nintendo

N64 - 2nd best for sure, but still beat SEGA Saturn and the 32X

GBA- Clear win for Nintendo

Cube - A poor mans 3rd, but still outsold SEGA's Dreamcast

DS - Clear Win for Nintendo

Wii- Win for Nintendo (but at massive cost)

3DS - Win for Nintendo .

who didn't build arcade centres all over the world..supporting 7 systems

Yeah wasting loads of money in the process . How many of the those Arcade centers are still here today - SEGA World centres in the UK were slashed in numbers after losses.

Sega only made MONEY when the americans ran the company.

SEGA made massive amounts of money in the 80's . I'll think you find , thanks really to one man and that's Yu 'GOD' Suzuki.

Again Cash reserves, not actual profit

And reminds again how you get billions in cash reserves ?. Not only did Nintendo make more money than SEGA, they made better profits too . 




 

 






 

[ROJM]

It outsoldcan't actually prove anything i'm saying and i'll add other things into the fray because i'm a fraud who can't prove what i'm saying so i add other things when were really talking about 16 bit systems..and if that doesn't work..i'll pose under my new usernames to further back myself up..without actually have the evidence or credentials to be believed.
 

Keep on yapping you fraud. You lost. EVERYONE knows i'm telling the truth because i have the proof.You don't..you just have silly magazine scans. I have an up to date data sheet that you can't disprove. Goodbye and have a nice day. NOT....
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Face it...you traitor...now piss off..and stop bothering me...

[Team Andromeda]

Keep on yapping you fraud. You lost. EVERYONE knows i'm telling the truth because i have the proof

You have no proof at all . Everyone knows Nintendo was bigger and made more money in the 80's and 90's and was and is a company with huge cash reserves

[ROJM]

You have no proof at all . Everyone knows Nintendo was bigger and made more money in the 80's and 90's and was and is a company with huge cash reserves

Apart from the data sheet that is at the beginning of this topic..you silly man...who CAN'T disprove anything said onj that sheet or hasn't proved anything apart from no it wasn't no it wasn't.go home kid..stop wasting my and every other SEGA fans time....

[Team Andromeda]

Apart from the data sheet that is at the beginning of this topic

Which only applied to the 'USA market' and in your own data sheet it showed sales of the MD going down in 1994 . Btw it didn't show the profits, cash reserves  or the share price of both companies .  So how about you show us the profits for both companies in the 90's and then maybe we can debate

[ROJM]

Which only applied to the 'USA market' and in your own data sheet it showed sales of the MD going down in 1994 . Btw it didn't show the profits, cash reserves  or the share price of both companies .  So how about you show us the profits for both companies in the 90's and then maybe we can debate

You think i only have a data sheet for JUST the USA market...LOL...
And you can argue when it went down as another distraction..the SNES didnt outsell it. Only when Sega stopped supporting the system..you know when everyone but nintendo moved on to 32 bit. So continue you're deluded nonsense...

[Team Andromeda]

You think i only have a data sheet for JUST the USA market...LOL...

Yes I do and unless you can prove otherwise . So lets see the profits for SEGA and Nintendo in the 1990's from you and the data sheets, scans to back them up . I bet you can't

[ROJM]

Yes I do and unless you can prove otherwise . So lets see the profits for SEGA and Nintendo in the 1990's from you and the data sheets, scans to back them up . I bet you can't

No TA unless you PROVE otherwise. You haven't given on iota of BACKUP since this topic started. Nothing to prove you correct on anyclaims. Until you can get a datasheet proving that nintendo was beating Sega in america at that time..which wont happen because it doesn't exist or that Nintendo was beating sega worldwide..won't happen because...america is the biggest market...sega had that market..made them in the lead..pure maths....then you should shut the F up.
idiot.BAKA!