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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1065 on: September 03, 2010, 10:30:25 am »
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I dont care about this game nomore
Because it looks so good...?
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1066 on: September 03, 2010, 11:21:27 am »
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I would be excited for this game over this trailer alone. Too bad I know the story. Pretty good though, I don't understand the music however.
The... story?

Heavens forbid knowing the story of a 2D Sonic game before you play it... RUINED!
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1067 on: September 03, 2010, 11:33:56 am »
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Quote from: "CrazyTails"
I dont care about this game nomore
Because it looks so good...?
Meh, I don't like it, that's all.

This thread kind of sums up my feelings. I kind of feel the same, you may not understand why I dislike it so much but than again it has been discussed countless of times.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1068 on: September 03, 2010, 11:53:23 am »
That link didn't help much either. :-/ I think the problem is that you and the Sega forums poster didn't give any details. And the Sega forums poster specifically contradicts himself.

quoting from your link:
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Castlevania rebirth
Contra rebirth
Gradius rebirth
Megaman 9 and 10
Rocket knight
Bionic commando

All decent to good games. True to the orginals and overall good games

I agree with him, they are all decent to good games. But then he goes on to say:

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Sonic 4 however, wow. It's failing in every possible way. I have been a sonicfan ever since the beginning and I have forgiven the franchise too much. I don't know if sonicteam's goal was to please the oldschoolfans but to be honest this game is making me hate sonic period.

I don't understand how the previously mentioned games are successes in his eyes, yet Sonic 4 is a fail. Megaman 9&10, for example, are carbon copies of what sequels would look like. Clearly catering to old school fans. But then he also says that Bionic commando and Rocket Knight are good. Yet these games do a lot of things that Sonic 4 does. HD visuals, 3D models, tweaked gameplay, direct sequel (Rocket Knight is). Also, the dude is a douche for ending the post with

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PS: Some of you need to get checked.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1069 on: September 03, 2010, 12:06:34 pm »
I think you're being a bit over-pessimistic Tails.. Maybe you'll like it when it comes out :)


AND WE ALL SHOULD BE CHECKING OUT DUKE OMG
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1070 on: September 03, 2010, 12:09:30 pm »
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Quote from: "Orta"
I would be excited for this game over this trailer alone. Too bad I know the story. Pretty good though, I don't understand the music however.
The... story?

Heavens forbid knowing the story of a 2D Sonic game before you play it... RUINED!

The homing attack story, the slowing down when rolling story, the speed booster story. Those stories.

/not going back to the same old argument
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1071 on: September 03, 2010, 12:11:05 pm »
Not this shit again...
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1072 on: September 03, 2010, 12:12:41 pm »
I'm just making that post clear.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1073 on: September 03, 2010, 01:25:18 pm »
Quote from: "Barry the Nomad"
And the Sega forums poster specifically contradicts himself.

quoting from your link:
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Castlevania rebirth
Contra rebirth
Gradius rebirth
Megaman 9 and 10
Rocket knight
Bionic commando

All decent to good games. True to the orginals and overall good games

I agree with him, they are all decent to good games. But then he goes on to say:

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Sonic 4 however, wow. It's failing in every possible way. I have been a sonicfan ever since the beginning and I have forgiven the franchise too much. I don't know if sonicteam's goal was to please the oldschoolfans but to be honest this game is making me hate sonic period.

I don't understand how the previously mentioned games are successes in his eyes, yet Sonic 4 is a fail. Megaman 9&10, for example, are carbon copies of what sequels would look like. Clearly catering to old school fans. But then he also says that Bionic commando and Rocket Knight are good. Yet these games do a lot of things that Sonic 4 does. HD visuals, 3D models, tweaked gameplay, direct sequel (Rocket Knight is).

No, he is right. Something like Bionic Commando ReArmed is EXACTLY what Sonic the Hedgehog 4 should be. Not a remake like that is, but it takes every single element from the original and just does not change it at all. It plays exactly the same way as everyone remembered. Yes they added new guns and grenades, but that does not change how the player moves around the level - Like Bionic Commando ReArmed 2 does, which I think seems like a disaster already.

Mega Man 9 is what most people probably wanted in Sonic the Hedgehog 4, but I think this is the easy way out. Nothing wrong with that when it actually works though, everything is as the players would have remembered it, the controls are the same, the physics are the same, the music is the same... Mega Man 10 is more of the same with less passion and all, but Sonic the Hedgehog 4 lacks a lot of passion to begin with IMHO so I think they are about even.

Rocket Knight uses new art and control tweaks, but again it does not go against original design patterns. Actually it improved on a lot of things the original games had (control issues, etc). I prefer the art in Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to this, but I think my point still stands.

The ReBirth games are the best example of the lot I think. New art and graphics with new level concepts and art that fits in perfectly with the series all the long being sprited in great looking 2D like most people wanted. Not to mention a ton of the music is remixed AND all of the games are designed with Konami arcade hardware in mind, which is why it has the same sound effects... Brilliant idea. These were all done by the same people who did the cheap SEGA AGES 2500 series, so SEGA could have easily gotten them to work on a Sonic game

Something I would also like to add to the conversation is Bonk: Brink of Extinction. While the art is truly, truly terrible the staff behind it seem to really have a good idea with what the series should play like, unlike Sonic Team who think they can improve concepts with stuff that is linked to the downfall of the franchise. The game concepts are unchanged, and the only stuff added to expand the game would be as major as the different shields in Sonic the Hedgehog 3. Good extra features like online stuff (not just leaderboards) and new level art concepts and gimmicks make me think these people are trying harder than Sonic Team when it comes to Sonic the Hedgehog 4.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1074 on: September 03, 2010, 10:28:45 pm »
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I think you're being a bit over-pessimistic Tails.. Maybe you'll like it when it comes out :)


AND WE ALL SHOULD BE CHECKING OUT DUKE OMG
Over pessemistic or not, it doesnt really matter nomore. Maybe some days ago i would have cared and would still have been angry and stated the reason to as of why. I came to realise that i should just let go. Sonic has also played a big role in my childhood but finally accepting that sonic will never be as he was and letting go has made me feel relieved.

Call it overly dramatic or whatever but getting worked up about it is all in the past

Edit: @uranus, thanks for eleborating and i agree with everything u said

Edit2: new interview with iizuka
http://digitalchumps.com/gamingnews/86- ... izuka.html

In my opinion he really doesn't know what he's talking about. Oh well...
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1075 on: September 04, 2010, 01:28:18 pm »
It just not as if Sonic influenced your life at all lol
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1076 on: September 05, 2010, 04:33:20 am »
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It just not as if Sonic influenced your life at all lol
It actually did, a lot. You might not notice, but that's maybe because you got to know me at a time where my interest has gone to 0%.

In the end time will tell whether sonic 4 will be bad or not. All I can say now is that every aspect of the game is meh to me.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1077 on: September 05, 2010, 04:42:48 am »
Is it wrong that I think Sonic Colors looks better than Sonic 4? Maybe I have to just wait and play both and make up my mind.

SEGA is good at promoting Sonic games, with media stuff.... so good that everyone cheered at Sonic 06.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1078 on: September 05, 2010, 07:39:08 am »
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Is it wrong that I think Sonic Colors looks better than Sonic 4? Maybe I have to just wait and play both and make up my mind.

No. Colours might feature the floaty gameplay from Unleashed but at least the Wisps gimmick is adding actual exploration to the levels.
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Re: Sonic the Hedgehog 4
« Reply #1079 on: September 05, 2010, 10:12:08 am »
Well, we can look at this way... Every single 3D Sonic has been notorious in one way or another, so Sonic Colors appears to have gotten more attention, because a good 3D Sonic game is something that seemed impossible after so many years of Sega trying and failing.

For Sonic 4, considering that all Sonic 2D games have been good, if not average at best(looking at you Sonic Advance 3), that game doesn't have that same pressure to do as well as Sonic Colors does. Sonic 4 is barebones 2D Sonic, it has much less to prove itself than what Sonic Colors is attempting to do.
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