Do you still like Sega? - Redux (Post E3 2013 Edition)

[ROJM]

It's not as though they haven't tried on ST.

Of course they have but the exploitation was done with artistic merit, the spin offs and merc like the Cafe they use to have fits with the theme of the game. So ST still has its purity somewhat. What were talking about with PHANTASY STAR,SHINING and VALYKRIA CHRONICLES are games or a series that was crafted with such care and attention by their original teams and creators that they weren't overly exploited. Only for them to be taken over by people who had little respect for the original team or the series and no understanding of them and started to dumb down these once respected series with cash in game after cash in game. The result is one series has been irrevocably ruined (ShHINING FORCE) Another barely represents the original(PS0) While another has just become a cheap anime tie in when before its first title was a work of art in gameplay and graphics(VC)

Are you saying we do not have the same creepy otaku crowd here in the West? Because we do, they're called Marvel/DC fans.

You mean they're called Sci fi fans like Star trek, Star Wars, Buffy and whatever else.

[jonboy101]

Yes. I could name hundred of amazing rpg's that lacked even the least bit of blatant "pseudo porn" from the genesis/snes/ps1&2/saturn/dreamcast. Especially ps1.

I can today, too. Likewise, in the 90s, there were plenty of games that sold on sex, too. Dead or Alive is as much about the physics of swaying breasts as it is about fighting. Mr Mosquito? What about Tomb Raider? Sakura Taisen? Tenchi Muyo?

I'm not sure it would be worth it to try pseudo-porn on a SNES, though I suppose it certainly could be done. Shit like this has always existed, since damn near the dawn of video gaming.


At least it isn't Custer's Revenge.

[ROJM]

On a different but similar note i liked it how Sega use to cater towards its fans and reaps big awards anyway. FIGHTERS MEGAMIX which kind of became the real first Sega crossover title. SEGAGA a pratical RPG in the Sega universe, TIMESTALKERS which was a SHINING/LANDSTALKER crossover and of course the recent ALLSTARS games produced by Sumo.
Instead of getting to download/unlock a character sorry i mean costume from SAKURA TAISEN, or RESONANCE OF FATE in a PHANTASY STAR game, why can't we just have a full blown crossover with those characters. After playing Project X  Zone you soon realise when Sega characters even the obscurce ones are presented properly with a good game mechanic people will play it and bring intrest to those old forgotten characters. I mean the closest thing we as Sega fans are going to get to a FIGHTERS MEAGAMIX game was the Dead Or Alive 5 title which is more or less VF5 vs DOA5. I dont mind that but i like to see the company who with Capcom was one of the first to start this multicharacter multigame crossover. The difference of course is Capcom still continues it and Sega doesn't. They just give you a character template selection in games like BORDERBREAK so the BB characters can look like the characters from YAKUZA or SAKURA TAISEN ,but then they market it like its a full blown crossover. And the Sega allstar pack for SAMURAI AND DRAGONS was also a joke. But its what these otaku fans lap up.

[Aki-at]

You mean they're called Sci fi fans like Star trek, Star Wars, Buffy and whatever else.

I completely forgot about those fans too.

The point is we have an otaku culture here too and the reasons some of these Japanese games flopping has more to do with them being bad games or poorly marketed than being over the top on the sex appeal.

[ROJM]

I never mentioned whether the games will flop or not i'm just aggrieved that they have to dumb down once respected series and reduce them to Otaku fodder.

[Aki-at]

I never mentioned whether the games will flop or not i'm just aggrieved that they have to dumb down once respected series and reduce them to Otaku fodder.

Nah was talking to CrazyTails about this, not directed at you Joe.

Though I agree with you wholeheartedly. 

[Kori-Maru]

On a different but similar note i liked it how Sega use to cater towards its fans and reaps big awards anyway. FIGHTERS MEGAMIX which kind of became the real first Sega crossover title. SEGAGA a pratical RPG in the Sega universe, TIMESTALKERS which was a SHINING/LANDSTALKER crossover and of course the recent ALLSTARS games produced by Sumo.
Instead of getting to download/unlock a character sorry i mean costume from SAKURA TAISEN, or RESONANCE OF FATE in a PHANTASY STAR game, why can't we just have a full blown crossover with those characters. After playing Project X  Zone you soon realise when Sega characters even the obscurce ones are presented properly with a good game mechanic people will play it and bring intrest to those old forgotten characters. I mean the closest thing we as Sega fans are going to get to a FIGHTERS MEAGAMIX game was the Dead Or Alive 5 title which is more or less VF5 vs DOA5. I dont mind that but i like to see the company who with Capcom was one of the first to start this multicharacter multigame crossover. The difference of course is Capcom still continues it and Sega doesn't. They just give you a character template selection in games like BORDERBREAK so the BB characters can look like the characters from YAKUZA or SAKURA TAISEN ,but then they market it like its a full blown crossover. And the Sega allstar pack for SAMURAI AND DRAGONS was also a joke. But its what these otaku fans lap up.

This! All of this!

[ROJM]

And much more.
Cameos i love cameos. When i see the many sega cameos and references in games like BAYONETTA and the recent HOTD OKLL:LOST REELS, its like a salute to the past heroes, a salute to what went before and how in a way could be done in modern times. What was good about this was that it was coming from producers/studios from within sega but also outside of sega like Platinum, etc etc.

But when i play titles like PHANTASY STAR PORTABLE 2 with the costume thing, that all it is an extended cameo and its not really the actual character. Its like a hot woman giving you the looks all night and once you decide to take a chance she leaves you standing there with your dick pissing in the wind.
Im not thinking this will last forever, but i'd like it to see a crossover from Sega, just like seeing SHENMUE get made and finished. Just like the actual supposed final part of HOTD 5 to actually happen in my lifetime.

[CrazyT]

If we all agree with ROJM, I think I may have just articulated it wrong to make my point. What he says is exactly what I wanted to say. But I still think the exploit of sex in games is becoming a problem in general. As jonboy said, it existed, but it was less prominent than it seems to be now. I think why I/we care less about this phenomenon when it comes to music and movies is because I am a lot more passionate about games.

[jonboy101]

I can agree with that. It has completely trashed some of Sega's best series.

[Barry the Nomad]

Sonic is sexy, he's naked all the time.

[Happy Cat]

Sonic is sexy, he's naked all the time.

Lol

[Barry the Nomad]

Btw:

[tarpmortar]

Just to clear up, I wasn't annoyed with Alicia in a swimsuit, I was annoyed with her character being redesigned to be better suited as a buoyancy device for titanic survivors than an experienced military scout.

Aki will vouch for me, I don't much mind sexy game characters when I feel they are designed well or fit the game (No More Heroes, Bayonetta, or even Selvaria (who does have big boobems) etc.) but I do have an issue with what amounts to turning a character into a plastique hollywood blonde when she wasn't that originally. They sold her out.

[crackdude]

But I still think the exploit of sex in games is becoming a problem in general.

Why is it a problem? If I enjoy it, it means these games are made for people like me. Otherwise, they are not for me and I shouldn't bother. As long as they don't break any laws, I think it's pretty fine.

There are games for everyone. Why shouldn't there be games for dudes that love some TnA?