SEGA says PSO2 still coming to the west

[Radrappy]

You are acting like they are only developing mobile titles when they still have a presence on consoles and a strong presence on PC.

More than anything I'm responding to their lack of presence as a creative force in general.  When was the last time anyone in the past decade looked to Sega as a good example of anything?  They used to be a leader in terms of imagination and some of the best developers in the world.  What presence they currently have could hardly even be called theirs as credit goes to CA and Atlus themselves. 

When people think sega in 2015, they think old hat.  The last honest to god Sega developed game anyone remembers being any good was Valkyria Chronicles  in 2008.  How sad is that?

[Nirmugen]

The thread for all your answers: http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=3445.0


I will put more in May but I think I explain why is now redundant to talk about Sega in consoles.


Yes, there is a legacy that Sega made 20 years ago but let's put things clear: besides all the good and the bads, there is so much bias toward Sega or anything related in the console side of the business. Did you think pleasing the false fanbase right there is gonna work? Hell, no.


Even with releasing AM2 games, Dreamcast games, Saturn games, Arcade games in the online stores there is no response whatsoever.


Neither Sega, Capcom or any Jp dev is gonna try that anymore.


And when you get what you want, you complain for more or something irrelevant that everybody thinks the same for some stupid reason that the Internet doesn't seem to find an answer and ultimately hurt the sales and disregard that game as a sale in season time.


If you gonna disregard Sega Networks and compairing with another company, good luck. Information and experience told me that Sega Networks is one of the top 5 companies in the mobile business in Japan with Gungho, Colopl, Mixi, and Bamco.


Konami is entering full charge now this year and Capcom is near down of the top of the famous devs. Heck, Monster Hunter Freeedon Unite 2 is having troubles to even make it in the Top 300 grossing app list and that is thier most relevant app.


Square-Enix is the most promising but they didn't have THAT app right now.


I'm sure that that mobile game co-develop by Sega and Bamco is no more than a way to say we can do better to their old friends/rivals.

[Aki-at]

Oh I don't mean to open another can of worms, I've come to terms with the fact I don't like the game and everyone else here does. Just pointing out to Radrappy he's not alone in not being a fan.

I'm trying to think of a game I adore that you hated or were indifferent to as another example but can't think of one.

I dunno, other than common thrash like Sonic 06 or Resident Evil 6, I might not like a game (Say Max Payne 3) but I always think it's just not for me.

More than anything I'm responding to their lack of presence as a creative force in general.  When was the last time anyone in the past decade looked to Sega as a good example of anything?  They used to be a leader in terms of imagination and some of the best developers in the world.  What presence they currently have could hardly even be called theirs as credit goes to CA and Atlus themselves. 

I fail to say why those developers cannot be credited with SEGA? I'm not in this business of SEGA DNA or SEGA style, I like SEGA for good games and if they stop making games I like I'd just turn my attention to another developer.

And times change, the top tier of the industry isn't exactly pushing gaming forward as a whole, Sony came off the back of a highly successful end to their generation only to be stuck mostly in mediocrity, ditto with Microsoft. We are not in a golden age of gaming. In terms of creative, highly ambitious new IPs, we are relying on indies for that, none of the big players are willing to engage in such risky business anymore.

When people think sega in 2015, they think old hat.  The last honest to god Sega developed game anyone remembers being any good was Valkyria Chronicles  in 2008.  How sad is that?

This is completely your opinion.

[Radrappy]

I fail to say why those developers cannot be credited with SEGA? I'm not in this business of SEGA DNA or SEGA style, I like SEGA for good games and if they stop making games I like I'd just turn my attention to another developer.

If you want to credit Sega with those games, that's fine.  But most people won't.  Good reviews of Alien Isolation and Persona Q never have a single mention of the big S. 

[George]

So now since reviewers don't mention SEGA they aren't SEGA games? Is that how it works? So I assume games like Comix Zone, Vectorman and such aren't SEGA games? Is it too hard to just enjoy a good game and not worry about what other people think? SEGA created Alien Isolation in-house with their money, the same way they made Die Hard Arcade.

Who cares what reviewers say?

[Randroid]

When was the last time anyone in the past decade looked to Sega as a good example of anything?

The answer to that would be arcades. They've been pretty untouchable in that realm. How relevant that area is to the gaming landscape is another discussion.

But I understand where you're coming from. The western opinion of Sega seems to be at an all time low.

[Aki-at]

If you want to credit Sega with those games, that's fine.  But most people won't.  Good reviews of Alien Isolation and Persona Q never have a single mention of the big S. 

So I suppose the likes of Smash Bros 4 (Namco/Sora LTD) Fire Emblem Awakening (Intelligent System) Kirby and the Rainbow Curse (Hal Laboratory) and Pokemon Omega (GameFreak) are all Nintendo titles because people will incorrectly state them as inhouse developed titles when the respective developers are independent of the publisher?

And yet because a reviewer is incorrect or leaves out any mention of SEGA for a game developed by an inhouse studio, a subsidiary that is wholly owned by the publisher, it somehow is disqualified in being a product by SEGA? I don't see how this is a reasonable way to judge if a product is by SEGA or not.

[Trippled]

In an era where arcades are dwindling, Sega has been the only company that still made 2 high end games for the arcade the last year, it is pretty cool. I hope it is an example for their PC Online focus - and while their at it, bring it to console, thats something that TA would want.

The World of Three Kingdoms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6TJM5Z1Bn8

Wonderland Wars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8jbIt7AeTM

[Radrappy]

So I suppose the likes of Smash Bros 4 (Namco/Sora LTD) Fire Emblem Awakening (Intelligent System) Kirby and the Rainbow Curse (Hal Laboratory) and Pokemon Omega (GameFreak) are all Nintendo titles because people will incorrectly state them as inhouse developed titles when the respective developers are independent of the publisher?

And yet because a reviewer is incorrect or leaves out any mention of SEGA for a game developed by an inhouse studio, a subsidiary that is wholly owned by the publisher, it somehow is disqualified in being a product by SEGA? I don't see how this is a reasonable way to judge if a product is by SEGA or not.

because Hal Laboratories, Gamefreak, and IS have been strong contributors to Nintendo's core brands for decades.  They are baked into the identity of Nintendo and have been part of franchises that gamers strongly connect with.  Not only that but Nintendo has nurtured and capitalized on said IPs(with things like smashbrothers and amiibo), breeding a creative cohesion and brand recognition that is unrivaled.  One simply cannot imagine Kirby, Fire Emblem, or Pokemon without Nintendo's logo on the cover.  CA, Atlus, and even Platinum to an extent have had strong identities and brands on their own, divorced from Sega.  The result is that gamers, myself included, have a hard time crediting Sega with any of their accomplishments.

It's that simple.

[Nirmugen]

If Atlus release a Sega IP's title, you will be pleased?

The fact that Nintendo almost give an end to the Fire Emblem and Sakurai own games (Kid Icarus), it always remember me how Nintendo treat to their second party devs. "As the schedule with no promo behind it ".

If we talk about Gamefreak, see what happen with their next game..Tembo.

[Aki-at]

because Hal Laboratories, Gamefreak, and IS have been strong contributors to Nintendo's core brands for decades.  They are baked into the identity of Nintendo and have been part of franchises that gamers strongly connect with.  Not only that but Nintendo has nurtured and capitalized on said IPs(with things like smashbrothers and amiibo), breeding a creative cohesion and brand recognition that is unrivaled.  One simply cannot imagine Kirby, Fire Emblem, or Pokemon without Nintendo's logo on the cover.  CA, Atlus, and even Platinum to an extent have had strong identities and brands on their own, divorced from Sega.  The result is that gamers, myself included, have a hard time crediting Sega with any of their accomplishments.

It's that simple.

It's nice that you consider how well a series mashes together with a publishers legacy titles deems to you what is or is not a title from a respective publisher. But as I said I don't get in this business of what is SEGA DNA or what constitutes as the SEGA style, I go by what is the most correct information and that these are SEGA brands, wholly owned by the publisher.

But speaking of the various developers, without SEGA Atlus might have been exposed to a worse fate by being ripped apart by a hedge fund and The Creative Assembly was lucky enough to be able to produce a AAA title without the worry of needing to add needless guns or deviate from their original vision, despite EA and Bethesda recently gimping their own survival horror games. Whilst the jury is still out on Atlus, SEGA are to be credited with expanding The Creative Assembly and Sports Interactive with their current size and successes.

So SEGA has captilised on these IPs (Each series is bigger than they've ever been) they're part of the collective of PC developers SEGA owns (And gives SEGA presence in the minds of many PC gamers, a brand identity on it's own to many) they've invested in them and their infrastructure and finally being able to develop the games they want.

[Aki-at]

The answer to that would be arcades. They've been pretty untouchable in that realm. How relevant that area is to the gaming landscape is another discussion.

But I understand where you're coming from. The western opinion of Sega seems to be at an all time low.

I missed this but I think you'd find console gamers are the ones with the most negative opinion of SEGA. Mobile gamers and PC gamers love what SEGA's become and for obvious reasons. I recall many being jubilant over SEGA purchasing Relic over at NeoGAF. A stark contrast to them purchasing Atlus, with many bemoaning the fact that Sony or Nintendo didn't purchase them instead.

[George]

The best moves SEGA has down is picking up Relic, Creative Assembly and Sports Interactive. If you disagree then you wouldn't be a good CEO for a company. In the end of the day it matters where the money is at and Capcom and other Japanese publishers have tried relaunching their brands and even when they are received well fans ignore them and continue to moan on the internet.

Capcom released Strider on digital services. The game came out over a year ago and on PC it only has 54,737 owners. I assume its not much different on consoles. Capcom even put their big IPs to rest.

Konami has done the same for their franchises (outside of MGS). The last good Contra game? Hard Corps that didn't even use the name or artstyle of the franchise? Didn't do so hot. Is it because they stopped using the brand name Contra? Nope. Contra 4 on DS was a failure too. Castlevania was changed due to the bad sales of their 2D titles.

Namco has some series still hanging on their last leg like Tekken, but are now mostly known for publishing anime license games like One Piece, Naruto and the DBZ games.

Sounds like this issue you have with SEGA is not a issue with SEGA per say, but the shift in the gaming market. You are mad that what was popular in the 90s/early 2000s is out of style.

[SuperSonicEX]

Is it just me or has SEGA been silent as fuck about Yakuza 5? They wonder why the games don't do well...

Well outside of Sony's upcoming interview with the Producers (including user submitted questions via twitter)? not much

[Radrappy]

Sounds like this issue you have with SEGA is not a issue with SEGA per say, but the shift in the gaming market. You are mad that what was popular in the 90s/early 2000s is out of style.

I won't deny that I do miss the late 90's early 2000's tastes/sensibilities greatly.  Nostalgia is definitely a powerful force.  Yet I won't admit either that Sega are remotely as influential or energetic as they were back then as they are today either.  I would hope that just because times have changed, Sega won't have to give up what makes them. . .well, them. 


I would be more than eager to welcome CA and Atlus into the Sega family if Sega were still making their own wonderful games at the same time.  It seems like however that apart from the odd Sonic/Yakuza they're more than happy not to, which is a shame.