The Console War..the truth...

[MadeManG74]

You lost. Its proven that Sega won the console war. End of discussion.

Are there any 'real' winners in a war, ROJM?

[ROJM]

Are there any 'real' winners in a war, ROJM?

In this war there was.

[Team Andromeda]

You lost.

Is that code we forgot that Sony bought  Psygnosis in 1993, that Sony and MS drop loads of fan fav IP and IP that once sold well and the simple fact that Nintendo sold more hardware than SEGA in any era you care to mention ? .

[ROJM]

Is that code we forgot that Sony bought  Psygnosis in 1993, that Sony and MS drop loads of fan fav IP and IP that once sold well and the simple fact that Nintendo sold more hardware than SEGA in any era you care to mention ? .

No not really. Psygnosis wasn't beholden to Sony until very late in the game. You would know that if you actually READ the terms of their sale purchase..so bringing SEGA into it hardly proves  anything. The point is you are just detracting from the main argument as usual in order to gain a victory on something you have already lost and i can't be bothered to continue arguing something that is removed from the original point.

The end of the day you lost this debate. Sega beat Nintendo in eight consecutive years. Saying that they didn't won't change that or the documented evidence that as usual i supplied. Which is another example of you ignoring evidence when presented to you just like the EC sheet.
So you lost is code for YOU LOST..yet again..
 

[Team Andromeda]

Psygnosis wasn't beholden to Sony until very late in the game

They were complete bought out in 1993 by SONY long before Wipeout and even PS shipped and as a result of that buyout were one of the 1st people to see and get to mess around with the PS prototype . But like usual  you come steaming in...talking the talk but with all the facts wrong

Sega beat Nintendo in eight consecutive years.

You just make stuff up . The only market SEGA one over Nintendo was in USA and after 95 the Mega Drive/Genesis  was a seeing sales slip even in the USA . 8 years is laughable , 6 years is pushing  it

[ROJM]

They were complete bought out in 1993 by SONY long before Wipeout and even PS
shipped and as a result of that buyout were one of the 1st people to see and get
to mess around with the PS prototype . But like usual  you come steaming
in...talking the talk but with all the facts wrong

No..you have the facts wrong. Psychosis was free to make any game on any console. That is a fact..which its why it was on as many systems as it were.

You just make stuff up . The only market SEGA one over Nintendo was in USA
and after 95 the Mega Drive/Genesis  was a seeing sales slip even in the
USA . 8 years is laughable , 6 years is pushing  it

SNES never topped the system from its release from 89 to 96. The SNES wasn't around in 89-90 so sega had the market all to its self in the USA. SNES NEVER and i repeat NEVER topped the genesis in the core years of the war. When Sega withdrew from genesis for Saturn that's when SNES took over..and by then the 32x era was in full swing. Nintendo only sold well with SNES when it didn't matter anymore. That's not winning any war..its not even close. So you check you're facts. I actually posted up mine. You however do not. Again stop continuing an argument you already lost on.

[jonboy101]

TA, you seem to be forgetting Europe again.

ROJM: to be fair to Ninty, no SNES until 1991 makes it hard for Sega to have whipped them in the 16 bit wars in 89-90. 8 years is the same sort of math as including post 96 for SNES.

[Team Andromeda]

No..you have the facts wrong. Psychosis was free to make any game on any console

They were 100% owned by SONY    and everything had to go through SONY .

SNES never topped the system from its release from 89 to 96.

Well that be every clever since the system didn't come out until 1990 in Japan, never mind the USA (where it came out in 1991).  Looking over that while the Snes never could beat the Mega Drive in the USA or UK it did more than well enough in those markets sold much better in the likes of France and totally destroyed the Mega Drive in Japan meaning that overall the Snes had the bigger World Wide Market Share. 

[ROJM]

TA, you seem to be forgetting Europe again.

ROJM: to be fair to Ninty, no SNES until 1991 makes it hard for Sega to have whipped them in the 16 bit wars in 89-90. 8 years is the same sort of math as including post 96 for SNES.

Not really. Nintendo wasn't in the market till 90 if we count japan..but if we count america only 91. So from 91 which was the middle of the height of Sonic's soaring popuarity and 96 when Sega moved from to the Saturn..the Genesis still whipped Nintendo.
89-91 Sega had the market to themselves. 91-93. Sega units was outselling SNES thanks to a price drop..Sonic 2..and several key Genesis games. 94-96...the figures i posted speaks for itself. SNES didn't outsell Sega once until it didn't matter anymore.
The height of the console war was during 92-94...the key years. Sega was still beating Nintendo in america and in europe.
So the reality is duringt he years where it matered Sega effectivly beat Nintendo...during that whole 16 bit era Sega dominated the moment genesis came onto the scene. So Nintendo never beat Sega..and therefore never really won the console war. In America the most important market back then..and Europe.

[ROJM]

They were 100% keep on talking rubbish blah blah blah..

1 i never said they weren't owned i said they were free to make games for anyone else...which isn't diffulcult since Sony was a third party themselves at the time and they acted more like a subsidary to them rather than a developer making games(which they did as well) that sony alone published.
2)Not in the time where it mattered. Again Sega kicked and humilated Nintendo for eight years straight...you can keep harping on but you never show anything to back you're side up. I just showed you actual figures. So keep living in lala land mate..you lost ..like Nintendo...as always

[Team Andromeda]

TA, you seem to be forgetting Europe again

UK, Germany and France are  part of Europe are they not  ? . The Snes was 2nd best in USA and UK , but in the likes of Germany it was far closer and France, Spain was a clear win for the Super Nintendo . The Snes sold close enough over all in the west and totally destroyed all other rivals in Japan and that alone made sure The Snes had the bigger Market share worldwide.

.but if we count america only 91. So from 91 which was the middle of the height of Sonic's soaring popuarity and 96 when Sega moved from to the Saturn..the Genesis still whipped Nintendo.

And that be 5 years , hardly 8 .

The height of the console war was during 92-94...the key years. Sega was still beating Nintendo in america and in europe

USA and UK for sure . Other parts of Europe no and Japan the Snes beat the MD by well over 10 million units . Much like the 360 really where it couldn't crack all of Europe and had a hard time in Japan, but did massively well in Uk and USA 


 

[jonboy101]

But the points still stand; when they were actually competing TA, the MD won. You're willing to concede the MD dominated for 91-96?


I have never heard, anywhere, the Nintendo sold the NES or the SNES in significant numbers in Europe, until your claim. Just about any history of the time you care to read will tell you Sega blew Nintendo out of the water in Europe. The only exception I'm aware of is Germany.

[ROJM]

spin spin concede spin
 

That's the propaganda speech for nintendo that TA does.

But the points still stand; when they were actually competing TA, the MD won. You're willing to concede the MD dominated for 91-96?


I have never heard, anywhere, the Nintendo sold the NES or the SNES in significant numbers in Europe, until your claim. Just about any history of the time you care to read will tell you Sega blew Nintendo out of the water in Europe. The only exception I'm aware of is Germany.

Exactly..it makes no different from 89-96 or 91-96 when SNES was around..SEGA dominated the 16bit era...and when it had competitors it destroyed The Turbograhix AND the SNES. So Sega won the console war. Its not even up for debate.

[ROJM]

Console wars...How Sega owned NEC...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UExsRds7RlE

This is the type of thing NEC and Nintendo was up against..this demonstration on  a "serious" computer tv show..just shows how in one take Sega practically blew NEC out of the water in this demonstration.

[Team Andromeda]

But the points still stand; when they were actually competing TA, the MD won. You're willing to concede the MD dominated for 91-96

USA and UK - No doubt about it  clear win for SEGA ,The rest of Europe not so clear and Japan it was a total non contest . Overall the Snes sold some 8 to 10 million units of Hardware  over the MD . Worldwide the Snes had the bigger market share.  Dominated is a BIG world and the MD didn't dominated the Snes in the West , in Japan Nintendo had over 90% of the Video games market to call its own - That's true domination, same went for the NES in America.

the Nintendo sold the NES or the SNES in significant numbers in Europe, until your claim.

Nintendo own official figs put the Snes sales down has 8.5 million in Europe while  some 23 million were sold in USA. Nintendo always do well in Germany and more so in France (Nintendo mags would love to talk about this at the time) . So looking at them overall the Mega Drive outsold the Snes in the West by 5 odd million units . The trouble was the Snes sold over 15 million units in Japan , compared to sales of around 4 million . So thanks to Japan Nintendo was able to boost the bigger world wide market share