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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Happy Cat on February 16, 2013, 05:44:58 pm
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Sony is getting aggressive lmao
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47806593&postcount=1
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Not a nintendo fan or anything, but I got great respect for their work and how they create their games. Everyone is like following hypes and going with what's popular, while nintendo keeps doing its own thing. Basically what i'm trying to say is that even though wii was a failure(not sales wise anyway), I prefer nintendo's gamedesign philosophies more.
You know, since i'm posting anyway, let me just say this.
I think the reason why the Wii U hasn't done too well is simply because of financial reasons. I am not poor or anything, but I also can't put getting a wii u as priority right now. I would have definitly if times weren't so rough as they are today. This is a personal thing, but I think this is the case in general.
Another problem is that the Wii U doesn't have a system seller yet. There's no software bringing me to desperation to get a WII U.
However I think nintendo made a smart decision keeping the console affordable. Everyone would agree that the wii had terrible graphics. But honestly I think todays gen consoles look fine period. I don't think todays graphics will ever look "ugly". Hence I find the decision smart that they went with visual power that look "fine". Not next gen but fine.
Anyway my point is that I think the ps4 might fail. I think it will fail for the same reason as psvita. Having expensive and better hardware is not a good thing at all. If anyhing, the psvita has proved it being the opposite right now. The higher the standards, the higher the expecations of people will be. This will make companies hesitate about developing a game because 1. it will cost a lot of time 2. It will cost a lot of money 3 Hence not many games will come out on the long run. Because if any game gets developed and looks or plays like last gen games, they will not do well.
An expensive console within these tough times will simply not work. The playerbase will be small even though great software may come out. The initial sales will be decisive for whether 3rd party companies will join developing. Just like previous gen, there will also be some companies taking the risk, and going bankrupt.
However just like how it's cheap to develop for the 3ds, it'll be cheap to develop for the wii u as well. At least cheaper. Both 3ds and Wii U have "fine" graphics now. The 3DS has become very succeful with great software. I think this will be the case for Wii U as well.
Just my 2 cents. Everything I said may be complete bull. I would also like to recommend anyone to read this blog about how sony lost its identity in the couple of years.
http://www.ign.com/blogs/megabusterlegends3/2013/02/05/rip-sony/
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But duude Nintendo sucks and the PS4 is bawllin'
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lol chad warden seriously needs to come back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYIep7bmQxo
youtube embeds broken at the moment, sorry
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Lol. Saying all that and keeping it aside, a new console is always a great event so i'd lie if i wasn't excited. Hope sony makes something out of it. Rumors are saying the last guardian development moved to ps4, so that's a thing that ought to excite people.
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I want to see how Fifa runs in that thing.
Fifa is always a good barometer of the graphical fidelity a console has.
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I want to see how Fifa runs in that thing.
Fifa is always a good barometer of the graphical fidelity a console has.
just a bunch of green skunk. and some peeps hitting a ball.
it doesnt really have a distance rate or many color palettes. lets be honest
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just a bunch of green skunk. and some peeps hitting a ball.
it doesnt really have a distance rate or many color palettes. lets be honest
Check screenshots of FIFA94, then FIFA 99, then 2004, then FIFA09.
If you can't see a generational gap in every 5 years of FIFA, sorry but you are retarded :)
Each gen brings a new engine. There are few games with such developed AI and physics. The graphics engine must handle at least 25 fully detailed characters on screen at the same time. The framerate needs to be smooth and consistent. Online can't have any lag at all or the game is unplayable. The Sound needs to be the most immersive and authentic than any other game (football fans know every single on field sound by heart, it has to be perfect). The gameplay needs to be fast and spot on.
FIFA is the best system seller game ever since it's introduction.
It is, as I said, one of the best barometers of gameplay/graphics fidelity of any console.
Any system can deliver 16mil+ colors. Not every system can deliver a good footy game.
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Not gon lie. I think Nintendo not gonna be able to win because iwata and miyamoto. I dunno. Nintendo was maybe cool in the 90's. Also bit in gamecube time. But now I see iwata and miyamoto laughing too much. I dunno it just something I been noticing
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hey djaw, i had to edit your post. Stay away from the personal insults. There is no need to call iwata and miyamoto nasty names, you can talk bad about them by actually talking about what they do that is wrong!
I'm not a fan of them either, but I don't go around calling them derogatory names. Next time it will be a warning.
Thanks!
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I wonder if Killzone 4 will be revealed as Guerrilla's PS4 game?
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I love this strategy. It's about time someone went back to old school trash talk marketing. I'm excited for the future of video games, not because I want to own every piece of new hardware, but because I'm a gamer and I want to see what everyone has to offer.
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There's just so much hype for this everywhere. I can't remember so much hype for a console launche since ever unless i've missed something.
Don't know if this is a good thing though. They could like really not live up to the expectations. But if they do, i'll be very very surprised.
Can't wait for tomorrow. 1 day left
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I can't remember so much hype for a console launche since ever unless i've missed something.
The PS2 launch was something else. To the point of almost destroying all competition just by the fact that it would be released someday.
But this isn't a launch yet. It's just the announcement! If Sony plays this right it can destroy competition again.
Weird thing is that this time I'm on Sony's side. Feels weird tho
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Yeah I think i missed the ps2 launch. No internetz at that time. Sony seems very self confident with the hype they've probably expected to be created. It would almost seem impossible to live up this amount of hype but if they do i'ma give them props and take everything I said back
That said though, i'm not getting the ps4 myself in probably a long while.
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Just over 8 hours left...
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Would be hilarious backfire if all those things were announced though haha.
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i like this one
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2 hours?
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Jaggy 3 is fake!
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Jaggy 3 is fake!
It's true, my dad works at Sony Playstation. I've also beta tested Chu Chu Rocket 2
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Internet meltdown starts in T minus 50 minutes.
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Lol. So much excitement. I'll join the hypetrain i guess
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I guess it's just the general excitement...
When was the last time a possible console annoucement had this much hype. Sony had a good idea.
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Playstation 4. I did not see that coming!
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A new Killzone game!? Wha--!?
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That killzone game looked quite amazing. Reminds me a lot of the crysis games.
Gotta say though visually the PS4 looks like many people speculated, like the PC.
It's really not about grahpics anymore. All the features like gaikai and playing on the go even after switching of your console sound like amazing features.
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I'm kinda curious to see this conference, but I can't find a stream worth a damn right now...
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So far it's been as I expected. Better hardware would result in more games trying to show its strength and take advantage of it. Meaning more detailed which can only be shown by realistic looking games instead of imaginitive. Not my kind of thing to be honest. I like to see more artistic, colorful and imaginitive games rather than realism. But that's just me. The only game so far that has showed that was the first game shown by that crash bandicoot guy.
Also max, hope this works
http://www.gametrailers.com/netstorage/psmeeting/index.html
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Thanks, dude, I'll go check it out!
From the Twitter feed, I'm guessing that a lot of people did not care much for polygon counts and I can understand that... we aren't in 1999 anymore.
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Gotta say though visually the PS4 looks like many people speculated, like the PC.
No.
There are no PC games using this kind of tech yet. PCs sure are capable, but devs haven't developed games with such high graphical fidelity (except for Crysis 3 or another one)
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What are you talking about? I play most games on PC because they don't look crappy. Its not about the poly count per say, but about how crisp it looks. Example, Sonic Generation on PC looks leagues better than it on PS3. It looks really clean and crisp.
The first game Sony showed off at the event looked very cartoonish, really unlike them this 'current' generation. I'm excited to see what else they have in store.
That game by the Braid dude looks awesome as well. Diablo III, meh. I haven't even touched it on PC (my brother has a copy).
Also CrazyTails, Crysis 3 looks as good as most PS4 games will look like for awhile. We don't really know how much power the PS4 has, do we? They have not announced what equivalent video card they are running. I hope its equivalent to the Nivida Titan that isn't out yet.
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I love how Sega is never at these anymore. They're never guest speakers at E3. Never at the console launches. It's always Ubisoft and Square Enix and Capcom. Considering I mostly only care about Sega, gaming just keeps getting more and more depressing for me.
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Facebook: The Console.
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Yeah, I was hoping they would do a SEGA game. Maybe E3? Very doubtful. The issue is that SEGA keep stumbling, if Aliens: Colonial Marines was as good as we hoped, they would have been on the map.
The issue is that their big western games are now in niche markets. Total War, Football Manager and now Relic?
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Yeah, I was hoping they would do a SEGA game. Maybe E3? Very doubtful. The issue is that SEGA keep stumbling, if Aliens: Colonial Marines was as good as we hoped, they would have been on the map.
The issue is that their big western games are now in niche markets. Total War, Football Manager and now Relic?
Indeed. I'd be okay with a big western game at one of these shows if only to get their name out there again. There has to be SOME power left in one of their Japanese franchises other than Sonic though to make it at one of these shows! PSO2 on PS4 would have been...neat enough I guess. I guess the child in me just wants to see Yu Suzuki come out and announce something amazing, be it a revolutionary new Shenmue or something else he's cooked up.
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I mean't niche in how they are played. Their games need a PC, RTS have been 'tried' on console. Even by Creative Assembly (Stormrisers) and failed. EA tried it multiple times as well.
SEGA needs to get big studios to start doing Action Adventure, Open World type games with dramatic storylines with quality graphics/controls.
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Relic's Company of Heroes has done over 4 million, I would not class them as niche.
But I doubt we would ever see SEGA at any of these conferences. Sony Japan may value SEGA Japan's corporation but on a worldwide scale SEGA just is not relevant enough, they have not been relevant since the mid-90s and nothing is going to change that any time soon.
Sure if something like Sonic had the pulling power it did on the Playstation 2 (Sonic Heroes did over 4 million and was the most successful platformer last generation) but the lack of care on that franchise has hurt them badly. Right now I'm pinning my hopes on Creative Assembly and Relic at least making SEGA somewhat relative again but it's disappointing that neither the likes of AM2 or Ryu Ga Gotoku Studio (CS3 too) will get the recognition they deserved, ah well, c'est la vie.
EDIT: Ops accidently ended up deleting my post instead of modifying it.
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On the presentation itself, it was a pretty good one but I felt they needed another hour to make it a truly great one, after the Media Molecule guy came and went, the conference went down hill from there.
But overall I'm interested to see what they've got in store for E3, I can only say though after seeing that presentation and as long as they price remains realistic, Nintendo is pretty much screwed out of the market.
SEGA needs to get big studios to start doing Action Adventure, Open World type games with dramatic storylines with quality graphics/controls.
Agreed. But I can only see either Creative Assembly or Relic being the only candidates to produce something like this.
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No.
There are no PC games using this kind of tech yet. PCs sure are capable, but devs haven't developed games with such high graphical fidelity (except for Crysis 3 or another one)
Yes it' because not everyone can afford a high end PC so most games are designed to look good on mid range PCs. But games that do push the limits like Crysis or the witcher do look very similar to what i've seen in that conference. This is the general sentiments really. PC has made a huge comeback in the last few years so they became a major competitior in the market especially with STEAM. So in my opinion sony will have to do it through service and exclusives to show its strenghts.
ALso people were expecting the PS4 to blow away any competition nintendo brought. In fact the hype made people forget about nintendo alltogether. But imo this conference has only proven my initial point, which is that graphics has reached a peak where it looks fine in general. What I mean is that Wii U this generations doesnt look as dated as the Wii looked last generation. The competition is still much there and as we know nintendo, they focus a lot more on imaginitive, magical experiences rather than realism, so the hardware they'e picked is perfect for that. It also makes nintendo stand out in this regard.
They havent anounced the price yet, but i think the competition this next generation is going to be a very unpredictable one
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I feel really bad for Nintendo. What can they do? I predicted it when it was announced that they will have this issue. The only thing they can do is be Nintendo. Hit high, hit it big. Mario Kart, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros. All of them, creative and fun.
Doubt they will have a better online presence than Sony, seems that online is a huge focus compared to PS3. Also 3rd parties all over the fucking place. Bungie doing exclusive content is big too, I like the concept of their upcoming game (if its good, that is another story).
I agree, a high end PC will cost thousands. Then 3 years later games might not be as optimized for it, while the PS4 will have all games running optimized for it. I think the Steambox, if true, has a lot of work ahead of it.
You say that Nintendo will work more with magical experiences? Where are these experiences? I think Sony had better games at this E3 than the Wii U had all year and at their E3 event.
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ALso people were expecting the PS4 to blow away any competition nintendo brought. In fact the hype made people forget about nintendo alltogether. But imo this conference has only proven my initial point, which is that graphics has reached a peak where it looks fine in general. What I mean is that Wii U this generations doesnt look as dated as the Wii looked last generation.
I really have to disagree, the difference between the Playstation 4 and the Wii U is massive compared to the difference between the Wii and 360.
I feel really bad for Nintendo. What can they do? I predicted it when it was announced that they will have this issue. The only thing they can do is be Nintendo. Hit high, hit it big. Mario Kart, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros. All of them, creative and fun.
But here is the thing, all of these titles appeared on the Gamecube and none of them helped move the system further than 22 million. With the Wii U already severely underselling, I really think Nintendo will find itself falling into dangerously low numbers for the Wii U to the point the Gamecube may look like a massive success.
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Dude, the Wii U looks like shit already and these are launch games... imagine in 4 years when PS4 gets amazing games. I feel bad, because Wii U will get 'little better than 360 games'...
I agree they didn't move as many consoles, but I think if they are highly rated, they can move more units than they have now. But you are right, its hard. Nintendo seems to have lost it already.
Anyone think its funny that 2 of the games shown at the conference where about 'privacy', more so lack of privacy. Big brother watching you etc. Then you find out the PS4 records everything you do and sends it to Sony, aka no privacy. WTF?
LOL
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List of 'lesser known' developers working on it:
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/02/20/the-long-list-of-ps4-developers-has-grasshoper-platinumgames-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+siliconera%2FMkOc+%28Siliconera%29
Specs:
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/02/20/playstation-4-specs-straight-from-sony/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+siliconera%2FMkOc+%28Siliconera%29
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You guys think so? To me it feels like the same difference between my ps3 to my PC imo, in which i find the ps3 to still look great. Wii however just looked disgustingly bad on an HD tv from day one
About nintendo being competitive. This part we'll have to see. I dunno I feel like if there's one thing Sony didnt succeed in its conference and that is show imaginitive games. The ones they did show like klank(or klack?) looked nice, but really if the last guardian was shown I wouldnt have started this point at all. Nintendo may have a hard time right now, but I have faith in them I guess. Same way the 3DS launch was recovered, I think when nintendo recovers people will have to make a choice based on their taste. But yeah fair point george, this is all baseless wishful thinking so you have a good point.
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Those videos looked a shit load better than PS3 games. The lighting alone was amazing. The PS3 has 512mb of ram, not unified. PS4 will have 8gb unified streamlined ram. Its going to be crazy...
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Not denying it looks shit load of better. I'm just saying that compared to wii looking terrible from day one, last gen consoles and the wii u will never look terrible, just worse.
Basically even if the ps4 looked better than any high end PC game i've seen, i'd still be able to play last gen game without the thought of "this looks fucking terrible". compared to wii where I felt this way from day one.
I think this is because some of the issues we had are gone permanently like pixelated images and lack of polygons etc.
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Oh I see. It also depends on price with Sony. If they can get it 400 and lower, I assume it will sell a shit load of units.
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Oh Yay, Another Killzone Game. In all seriousness, there were some neat things that were shown off, but I dunno if I was too impressed with the third party reel being mostly demos, multiplatform games, a port of a year old PC game, and PC footage in one of the demos:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514563
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Are you kidding me?
Two of the games are sequels. Both games look a bit revamped. Killzone Shadow Fall had more of a city feel to it, with over the top action. This is still Killzone, after all. The other was Infamous: Second Son with a new 'hero'. I understand Sony would have IP sequels. That is what franchises are. But only 2 of the games shown where sequels to last gen games.
Media Molecule showed off a impressive create tools for what will be their upcoming game.
Capcom's new engine and Deep Down look amazing. Very hard not to be impressed.
Jonathan Blow's The Witness sounds awesome and I love the art style on it.
Knack, a new IP, also looked awesome.
It think they did a good job showing a bit of everything. Saying that big 'upcoming' PS3 games will be heading to the new console, New IPs, a little bit of PS3 titles coming back and even stuff for the hardcore gamer that doesn't need explosions all the time (The Witness, Knack and Mm's upcoming game).
All I need to know is the timeframe for the game's release. If they are 2013 games, MINE MINE.
I bet that most of the stuff shown, like Killzone 4 was target render anyway. But Sony delivered on their renders on PS3. So no hating. I hope its playable at E3 though.
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It looks like the PS4 won't be backwards comparible with PS3 games. You might have to re-buy download emulated versions. I don't want to have a PS3 and a PS4 so I can keep Valkyria Chronicles.
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I really don't mind having a PS3 hooked up too till I stop playing it all together.
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I really don't mind having a PS3 hooked up too till I stop playing it all together.
I've got 9 consoles, Mac Mini, DVD/VCR and a receiver all hooked up to the TV. I don't think I can put in anything else.
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Anyone think its funny that 2 of the games shown at the conference where about 'privacy', more so lack of privacy. Big brother watching you etc. Then you find out the PS4 records everything you do and sends it to Sony, aka no privacy. WTF?
LOL
I was actually thinking this when I watched it. (Wow...the way we are going we will be lost in an age where we are ALWAYS watched)
I don't like that future....but it seems we are heading that way.
Some of the conference looked cool, but I felt like it was still catering to a more Western Audience even when Japanese Devs such as Capcom and Square Enix were present. Deep Down looks like a WRPG and I have no idea what SE's tech demo was.
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Not sure what to think about the PS4. The reveal in no way amazed me like the jump from PS2 to PS3 did , or Xbox to Xbox 360 did. Of course, that is to be expected, but I really think we're starting to hit that point where a new console does not mean "Welcome to the Next Level". I look at footage from the last PS3 conference and find it just as great looking as the PS4 conference. Sure PS4 has more detail and light and little details like that, but we all know that sort of stuff is only achieved with a large budget and we will probably only see the difference between a PS3 and a PS4 game when it comes to some AAA titles.
A lot of the "wow" moments are starting to be more of the unseen bits, like faster loading times and minimal startup times. Stuff like social integration (the share button) is less of a next gen innovation and more of a perk that comes with new hardware. It's not as though stuff we see with Wii U and PS4 when it comes to social elements aren't possible on the PS3 or 360. They just weren't built in from the start. So a new console means a new canvas for additional ideas, but I don't get the feeling that these new ideas were added because it was never possible before. More because, like I said, the hardware is new so they have the opportunity to start from scratch and add new things.
Lack of backwards compatibility is sadly a deal breaker for me. If it is promised, soon, that a bulk of the PS3 library will be playable on the PS4 via digital downloads, I'll be happy. But as of now, as a 360 owner there are still loads of PS3 games I've yet to experience and there is no way I'm plunking down more cash for a PS4 when I can get a PS3 for less and access to all the games I've wanted to try.
I guess thats another niggle, the fact that PS4 does a lot of what PS3 does. Shelf space is not something I have much of, and a PS3 and PS4 side by side is a bit too much for me personally. Two devices connected to the same social network with access to different games but using the same account (I assume they will keep PSN ids) but then there are different digital titles between the two, then the fact that both are blu-ray players and media centers. Would one shift everything but PS3 games to the PS4, and keep their PS3 hooked up just for their PS3 library? I guess so.
Anyway, that's my personal negatives. But overall PS4 crushes the Wii U. PS3 to PS4 may not be a big step up for me personally (I know hardware wise it is, but I'm not feeling it yet), however Wii U to PS4? It's like Wii compared to PS3 all over again.*
*I refuse to go further back and note Dreamcast compared to PS2 because I love SEGA too much.
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I personally think it's a huge change. Fidelity isn't something you see on a low quality stream or even a HD youtube video. It's something you gotta see in person or in a high quality non-youtube video.
This generation isn't about increase in polygon account, it's about better lighting, textures, physics, particles, etc. Stuff you would see on high-end PC's. Which is great!
Watch the Jimmy Fallon video that comes out today, he'll be freaking out at the graphics of killzone cause of how nice they look :P
I don't know what else people were expecting, these are launch games we are seeing and they already look amazing, and will only look better as time goes on.
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I love how Sega is never at these anymore. They're never guest speakers at E3. Never at the console launches. It's always Ubisoft and Square Enix and Capcom. Considering I mostly only care about Sega, gaming just keeps getting more and more depressing for me.
Well there was an ex-Sega guy on Stage, that Square Enix who did their new Engine? He also did the Hedgehog Engine.
About Sega being on the next consoles...it's a exciting thing for sure. I'm hoping to have the same effect back in the day with Sonic, Kenzan, Virtua Fighter 5, After Burner Climax, etc. Awesome Updates of the classic Sega Franchises.
Also since they now allow I guess "bigger" free2play games. How about ports of PSO2 and something like a f2p Border Break as a flagship type of download game?
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I don't disagree on that, Will, I see all that. I'm just saying that those are not as impressive to me as the jump in polygons has been in past gens. We're getting into nerdy territory now. Not that I'm against that sort of stuff, but I remember showing off the Xbox to people and they got it. I showed off the 360 and PS3 to people and they got it again. But PS4 (and I'd assume next Xbox), it's a lot more nerdy in terms of what has progressed. You have to point out the lighting and particles and textures. Not to say that more casual crowds won't see the fidelity you speak of, but I don't think it is as big a "wow" moment as past gens were.
I'd be interested to see how people would react to a true PS4 demo (not sure which videos were running 100% on PS4 last night, I know Watch Dogs was PC, but I'd guess Killzone was PS4?) followed by the best that PS3 can offer (perhaps an Uncharted 3 demo or The Last Of Us?). Maybe even lie and say both are PS4? I could see them picking out impressive elements from both, and who knows? Maybe some will prefer what they see on PS3 despite PS4 being a huge leap in areas like the ones you mentioned?
Again, I'm not arguing for or against, I'm just noting how the general public might see things and how graphics are getting to the point I mentioned.
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if they were watching youtube videos i could see them not being impressed, but i can't see them NOT being impressed when they see things in person.
Sony is doing a live killzone demo on jimmy fallon tonight, will be interesting seeing his reaction to the game since he'll be seeing it in person and probably playing it.
I don't know if you've ever played a high end PC game, i mean you own a mac, but it's really a huge difference when you see this stuff in person. Any average joe will be able to notice the difference without a second look. Go watch the ASR Transformed video i posted in the writers forum to see what I mean.
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Uh oh: http://www.destructoid.com/psn-purchases-will-not-carry-over-to-playstation-4-246229.phtml
WHERE IS YOUR SONY GOD NOW WILL???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQPPbi_kGLI
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Uh oh: http://www.destructoid.com/psn-purchases-will-not-carry-over-to-playstation-4-246229.phtml
WHERE IS YOUR SONY GOD NOW WILL???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQPPbi_kGLI
Jim Sterling made a sensationalist title :P i already knew this. PS4 has a x86 processor, it's not going to be emulating CELL games anytime soon. Yosp isnt saying purchases arent carrying over, hes just saying PS3 games aren't playable on PS4, because well.. they aren't. Sadly. but that's Sony's punishment for using CELL. They will be playable in the future one day, using gaikai streaming.
Microsoft won't be any better off, they are also using x86, 360 Processor was based on CELL. Cause bill gates paid IBM to ripoff Sony's research. So.. Microsoft is sorta screwed too in that regard :P
Xenon in Xbox 360
The PPE was designed specifically for the Cell processor but during development, Microsoft approached IBM wanting a high performance processor core for its Xbox 360. IBM complied and made the tri-core Xenon processor, based on a slightly modified version of the PPE.[29][30]
there is also a whole book about it if you're curious
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_%28microprocessor%29
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AMD has commented on the APU powering PS4, as expected, it's pretty low power compared to something you would find in a high end PC. That means PS4 developers are really optimizing the software to get the crazy high PC performance they are getting out of the hardware.
That means the PS4 won't be super expensive. That means Sony has learned their lesson from the PS3. They are just future proofing the PS4 by putting in 8GB of GDDR5 ram.
http://blogs.amd.com/fusion/2013/02/21/amd/
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I've never owned a Playstation device, despite wanting them, but I can say for certain that my eyes are on Sony this year. I was genuinely impressed with some of their ideas (video recording & download as you play), and all the lovely particle effects.
The jump from PS3 to PS4 is only going to apply to developers who spend the money to reach the new promised heights, which isn't cheap and will unfortunately keep the status quo of, "Oh, you didn't sell 10 million copies of your AAA game? Here's your pink slip..." I love that they had Jonathon Blow show off his game though, so there's clearly hope that smaller teams can thrive as well.
The first thing I'm gonna do when PS4 comes out... is buy a PS3. I can't wait for that price drop. :P
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Consoles are like macs.
Everyone goes HURR DURR LOW SPECS and then they are humiliated by a lower spec'd machine (at least during it's first 1/2 years). Optimization can go a long way.
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Yes, Mark Cerny, but he worked on Crash and was with Naughty Dog.
Barry, what about streaming PS3 games? I hate the idea, cuz I never had good internet but that is an option. PS4 being PS4 only doesn't bother me at all, especially since its just going to make the system more expensive.
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Yes, Mark Cerny, but he worked on Crash and was with Naughty Dog.
Barry, what about streaming PS3 games? I hate the idea, cuz I never had good internet but that is an option. PS4 being PS4 only doesn't bother me at all, especially since its just going to make the system more expensive.
(http://i.imgur.com/4H5GVTV.png)
luckily you don't have to use the social features they confirmed that in an interview. I'm sure Microsoft won't be giving us a choice :P
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If The Last Guardian and Final Fantasy Versus XIII are shown off for PS4, we should be careful about them if Colonial Marines taught us anything. With less emphasis on the outsourcing to different teams, hopefully.
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Yeah, but I'm sure The Last Guardian will be quality. I think if anything, the PS3 would have held back their vision. I hope it is, the studio has released 2 great games already.
Team Ico is a in house team, passionate team. Gearbox is a third party that takes money from companies, outsources and uses that money to make their own IPs better. Greed in the end of the day.
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LOL
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Hahahaha. I loved that part of the conference. I was really impressed with what he was saying and i thought that it could have been an interesting take on a game, but then all of a sudden... that.
Tbh I was really not feeling it. Sony ever since the HD era has been focussing on all these gritty, realistic genres and forgot about fantastical.cartoonish, clean, imagitive games. . I just prefer that more and I really liked that part of sony during the first 2 playstation generations. There should have at least been a balance.
Now we got killzone, infamous, driveclub etc. Knack looked interesting to say the least. Third parties showed some cool stuff like deep down but overall I would have loved like a ratchet & klank, or the last guardian, some nice JRPG. And square enix had a chance to prove itself with the latter, but they had might as well have stayed home
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We talk about how the PS4 games were revealed in the latest podcast. I noted how stupid it would be if SEGA games were revealed in the way that the PS4 titles were. "500 years into the future. Mankind has changed. We're exploring new galaxies, mankind is evolving. You... are Ulala. A pink haired space reporter whose only weapon is dancing. This... is Space Channel 5."
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We talk about how the PS4 games were revealed in the latest podcast. I noted how stupid it would be if SEGA games were revealed in the way that the PS4 titles were. "500 years into the future. Mankind has changed. We're exploring new galaxies, mankind is evolving. You... are Ulala. A pink haired space reporter whose only weapon is dancing. This... is Space Channel 5."
Maybe it would get people to actually buy Sega games? :/
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Lol. Lookin forward to it. Man when was the last time SEGA even anounced games on stage like that. I know yakuza is always a huge thing at tokyo game show. Sigh*. Crossing fingers we'll see something interesting from SEGA at TGS
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I wonder how consumers will respond to the non-gaming related features?
PS1 played music CDs
PS2 added DVD movie support (a huge plus at the time) and a modem add-on
PS3 brought things up to high-def, adding blu-ray support, PSN and the ability to watch TV/movies and listen to music on a variety of apps
PS4 has all of what the PS3 had plus... not as many additional perks. 4k video output will wow videophiles, but I can't see the average consumer caring about that feature.
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for anyone who hasnt seen it yet, Jimmy Fallon played the Killzone game, graphics look amazing. He was pretty mindblown by them too. The game looks really good, and I say that as someone who isn't a fan of FPS games. This is definitely a huge jump.
make sure you watch in 1080p if your TV is capable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rGlu3e9kdks
and direct feed gameplay of what was shown as PS Meeting, also watch in 1080p if capable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lUjQ4DJXLzw
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If it comes out priced under 400 euros, it'll be a success in my opinion. But it needs to have at least some compatibility with some PS3 or some PSN games.. Or some incentive to make PS3 players shift to PS4 at it's infancy, otherwise it's hard..
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Tbh I was really not feeling it. Sony ever since the HD era has been focussing on all these gritty, realistic genres and forgot about fantastical.cartoonish, clean, imagitive games. . I just prefer that more and I really liked that part of sony during the first 2 playstation generations. There should have at least been a balance.
Have you forgotten about Little Big Planet, Gravity Rush, Sly, Tokyo Jungle, Modnation Racers etc? Furthermore we have Teraaway and Puppeteer due out this year.
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Sony has always had a near-perfect balance of fun lighthearted games and hardcore gritty experiences. That's what made the PSX so above anything else in the first place. Sega and Nintendo went for opposite markets, while Sony combined the best of both worlds.
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yo crackdude you be soundin like a sony lover and we gotta rememebr that we are sega lovers
its cool to like a sony game now n again, but lovin sony too much is like cheatin on your hot girlfriend with a chick who is not as hot (but shes still hot cuz you dont want to be makin out with a not hot girl)
akiat i dont get you and your words but i respect you because we are sega bros
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Well we van really count the ps3 games almost on one hand throughout its whole generation. Ratchet n clank went dlc and recently with a mediocre tower defense game coming out becuz they been too busy with resistance. Jak completely forgotten for uncharted. The team behind sly doing 2 infamous games. I will give ya that the vita has a good start but the ps3 really didnt have too much to offer in this department within its whole lifespan. I think if more power is gonna mean them trying to show it off, we will see even less of that type of game but i hope to be proven wrong.
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Has Semmie systematically hacked everyone's account, oh god... He's hacking them! ... And then he's going to hack me too! ... OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOD!
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Lol alright firstly, thats an awesome movie
Secondly, semmie is awesome
Thirdly, i am right and you are wrong
In yo face!!
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Has Semmie systematically hacked everyone's account, oh god... He's hacking them! ... And then he's going to hack me too! ... OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOD!
Semmie = ratings
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"I used to love the rain, I used to love winter. I even used to love people from China, I thought they where all good... till one day a man in a black car named Lan Di killed my father. This is Shenmue III."
Aki-at: Also Knack and that Witness game by the braid dev. Say what you want, but I think Microsoft will either go casual (aka Dance Party 5.6) and hardcore gritty. I assume they will finally show that Crytek game they teased a few years back (that ever come out?)
Nintendo is all about family friendly, I think Sony at the show showed a nice balance. A car game, 2 everyone type games, 1 super hero type game and Killzone 4 (for the graphiks!)
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The Witness is going to release to the next Xbox too, I think.
I'm guessing Xbox will have pretty similar stuff. Third party games of popular gritty franchises, kooky titles (some Kinect, some not). Possibly some surprises, like some big first party titles. We'll see Kinect on display just as Move was. Though I gotta say, the Move demo was really weird. It was like the Wii Music presentation all over again.
The big things I want to learn from the Xbox presentation are:
• The new Xbox controller, and how it compares to U and PS4
• Backwards compatibility - if any
• XBLA innovations
• Kinect 2 - yeah yeah, I'm actually interested in Kinect. Deal with it.
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Says 'console' exclusive: http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/20/the-witness-playstation-4-exclusive/ There will be a iOS and PC version. So I will most likely get it on PC unless there is something big on the PS4 version then i'll wait. I like the idea that people can mod it on PC.
Though, Wii U already is loosing its console exclusives.
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I'll probably get it for iPad. Looks like a good ios game.
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The Witness isn't a console grabber, for sure. But the show was to show the range of the upcoming PS4 software.
- They are in relative good terms with smaller developers. See the Witness.
- They are bringing Blizzard, which hasn't made a console game since.. psone and are bringing Diablo III.
- They are rebooting the Infamous Franchise with a new character and setting. 7 years after the first one. No need to play the old ones to understand the game.
- Like the PS3? Well they are doing that sort of stuff, with Killzone Shadow Fall
- Lots of 3rd party support.
I think this has been the 2nd best showing for me this generation. The other 'best' showing was the 3DS with Nintendo at E3... then they canceled Mega Man Legends and didn't release all the color 3DS' they showed. :(
Hey, Mega Man Legends 3 for PS4. I would buy day one, no questions.
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here is what Jonathan Blow has said about the Witness and consoles in general, says he has no communication with Microsoft, sounds like they don't care about him.
"Our deal with Sony is a limited-time exclusivity that applies only to competing console platforms," Blow said. "Basically it is that you will see the game on the PlayStation 4 before you will see it on the Wii U or the next Microsoft console, if the game ever appears on either of those (whether it appears on those consoles eventually is purely up to whatever future arrangements might happen between us and Nintendo/Microsoft/Random Publishers/Whoever)."
He said that the Sony deal doesn't keep him from also launching the The Witness on PC or iOS at launch, but such matters are more contingent on whether his team can get it prepped for numerous platforms at once. "The ideal situation for us is to release everything simultaneously or close to simultaneously."
"The real situation is that, because we are a small developer, we only have the ability to launch on a small number of platforms at once. We liked the idea of being on a console, and originally we thought we might be on the PS3 or Xbox 360, but eventually we decided not to target either of those due to the relatively low system specs."
"The Wii U still has pretty low system specs, so it came down to a choice between the next Microsoft console or the next Sony console. There were people at Sony who really liked the game and were keeping in touch with us about it, and so we naturally started going to their PS4 developer events, got a dev kit, and started playing with it.
"I don't have good communication with anyone at Microsoft right now, and haven't been disclosed on their next console, but all our technical people like the PS4 specs a lot more than the leaked Durango specs, and we like the positioning of the PS4 (it's about games) a lot more than what we perceive Microsoft's positioning is going to be."
"So we just found ourselves doing a PS4 port. And once we are doing that, it is not practical for us also to think about another console port. We were going to be a de facto console exclusive for Sony no matter what. As I mentioned, there are people at Sony who are very interested in The Witness, so they somehow percolated up through the ranks the idea of showing the game in the launch show."
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=48082453&postcount=1
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Yeah, Braid showed up exclusive to 360. I'm seeing a very radical shift in Microsoft and Sony. Basically everyone that launched the 360 was fired/quit and was replace with the new Kinect relaunch team and Sony fired most people responsible for the PS3 launch and replaced them when they launched the slim.
It seems that Sony is reaching out to publishers and developers and wanting them to make games for them . Who'd of known that is how you sell consoles?
Again, right around Kinect's launch all these 'developers' that really loved 360 and did exclusives basically stopped. Not saying they did bad, I just think Microsoft's game management might be too full of themselves (See N64/PS3/Saturn). It feels like after a company does really fucking well, they release a console that they just don't care what other developers really think.
I hope Microsoft proves me wrong and releases a amazing console. Competition is needed since Nintendo is still competing against PS3/360.
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I hope Microsoft proves me wrong and releases a amazing console. Competition is needed since Nintendo is still competing against PS3/360.
hahahahhahahah
true that. xD
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I think this has been the 2nd best showing for me this generation. The other 'best' showing was the 3DS with Nintendo at E3... then they canceled Mega Man Legends and didn't release all the color 3DS' they showed. :(
I thought Capcpom cancelled the game, not Nintendo?
Hey, Mega Man Legends 3 for PS4. I would buy day one, no questions.
Or at least some digital re-release for the originals to reintroduce the series to new people.
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Yeah capcom did, but it looks bad imo for Nintendo. One less exclusive (that I was looking for).
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Whichever console has the new Panzer Dragoon RPG, that's the one I buy.
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Am I the only one that got excited for a Panzer Dragoon RPG on PS4 when you saw this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwrH4ucRj1g
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Am I the only one that got excited for a Panzer Dragoon RPG on PS4 when you saw this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwrH4ucRj1g
No, you are not.
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I'm still waiting for Crimson Dragon on 360. I'm guessing it was delayed so it would be a part of this years Summer of Arcade.
Also, I want the mobile Crimson Dragon game on iOS! Fuuuuuck it looks so fun...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhjPxgQ4JFE
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I'm still waiting on the Xbox Presentation before i figure out which Next Gen console i'm going to buy. It's going to be touch, considering both platforms have great exclusive IP's. Not gonna lie though, if Sony shows off Uncharted 4 at E3, i'll probably go with a PS4.
One of the biggest things is probably going to be the price point though.
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Yep. We sorta have to wait for Microsoft since they will most likely also be launching at the same time as Sony (would be stupid not too) and Sony will probably show off more games at E3/Price/what it looks like. While Microsoft will most likely have their own 'pre-e3' thing and then show more at E3. Should be good.
Plus TGS is in September, so we will have a better look at what Japanese developers are up to on the systems. I like Japanese games, the reason I got the 360 early on was because it was having lots of Japanese developers doing exclusive stuff and VF5 online.
Hopefully Microsoft didn't forget the Japanese developers. Mistwalker RPG duddddes.
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Microsoft have been completely retarded ever since the creators of the original Xbox project abandoned ship. I don't see them turning back now. As always, Microsoft turn a great idea into a shit product. The Xbox 360 as it is now is miles away from the hardcore gaming focus it had when it launched. If the trend continues, the next Xbox will be even worse.
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No, you are not.
Wow, yeah, that really makes you wonder what could be done with a new PD RPG.
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The models for the Square Enix engine thing are crazy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_zEbyWZZS4
^ close up look at the models.
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I don't care too much about first-party from either Sony or Microsoft.
I like that Knack game and also Naughty Dog, but that's about it. I hope for games like Knack. Microsoft has nothing going for them, except me maybe be stupid naive, and believing Rare might be making a game...
I'll wait for TGS.
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I'm not gonna lie, I like Halo games, but even that's not enough to help MS succeed Next Gen. A key reason why MS did so well this gen was cause they launched the X360 a year ahead of the competition. Even by the end of this gen, the PS3 had already caught up in worldwide sales. I am a fan of Xbox gaming, but I'm definitely gonna be cautious with them, as their recent approach to gaming has been quite bad. I'd just like to see some new IP's. If MS releases the Next Xbox with a decent price tag, ill probably buy it cause I prefer their online connectivity and I do enjoy playing Halo and Fable games.
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NOTHING frustrates me more than people that can't 'feel' this is a new generation, stating that 'there are no new innovative games' when THAT HAPPENS EVERY FUCKING GEN. I feel like most journalist have terrible memory. SERIOUSLY? HEAVENLY SWORD IS "NEW AND INNOVATIVE" FOR PS3? That game was mocked so bad for being 'God of War with a woman' when showed.
I remember so many friends saying 360 looked terrible because the Rare games looked like something that would be on N64. I don't think people get that consoles always have these issues when they are released and get better 1-2 years into it when everyone is settled it.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6905-New-Generation-Old-Bullsh-t
Jim, shut up.
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Microsoft have been completely retarded ever since the creators of the original Xbox project abandoned ship.
I never knew this? When did this happen?!? 0_o
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NOTHING frustrates me more than people that can't 'feel' this is a new generation, stating that 'there are no new innovative games' when THAT HAPPENS EVERY FUCKING GEN. I feel like most journalist have terrible memory. SERIOUSLY? HEAVENLY SWORD IS "NEW AND INNOVATIVE" FOR PS3? That game was mocked so bad for being 'God of War with a woman' when showed.
I remember so many friends saying 360 looked terrible because the Rare games looked like something that would be on N64. I don't think people get that consoles always have these issues when they are released and get better 1-2 years into it when everyone is settled it.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6905-New-Generation-Old-Bullsh-t
Jim, shut up.
Who actually cares about what that fat turd has to say?
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here is a good link for those of you who hate jim sterling
http://www.destructoid.com/oh-sega-hilarious-dreamcast-hoodie-is-hilarious-196103.phtml
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here is a good link for those of you who hate jim sterling
http://www.destructoid.com/oh-sega-hilarious-dreamcast-hoodie-is-hilarious-196103.phtml
That's great! Meanwhile SEGA sent me two larges and two mediums. lolz SEGA loves me more than Jim
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That's great! Meanwhile SEGA sent me two larges and two mediums. lolz SEGA loves me more than Jim
You should send one to Semmie, i'll alert him to this topic.
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Ha! Too late, I gave all but one away as prizes for the Dreamcast Collection thing.
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Am I crazy or does everyone want some innovative way to play games? Am I the only one that just wants a good controller, super nice looking games that are fun to play with awesome online features?
Like, I hate the whole "OMG MOTION CONTROLS ARE INNOAVITATVIE" ... :(
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FYI: Pachter has a new video talking about what he thinks PS4 will be, with some facts.
- Jack Tretton told Pach they definitely will not charge $599 again.
- Thinks the PS4 will launch at $399.
- Strongly thinks Kinect 2.0 will be bundled with 720 and make it more expensive than PS4
- Thinks everything on PSN will be behind a paywall, except multiplayer
- Feels certain The Last of Us will have a PS4 version
- Talked to Sony about Agent, Sony's words: "It's still under development".
- Nintendo's not going anywhere. Can go 20-30 years losing money like they are now before being in trouble.
I don't mind Sony making people pay to use the share/streaming game features just cuz it takes server power. As long as its part of PSplus.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=516212
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Yeah i'm on the same boat as you dude. Never cared for motion gaming one bit, i've always wanted a decent machine with great games, and great online features. The thing is, most people don't think a console with great graphics is enough anymore because phones/tablets are taking the market and they feel the need to differentiate themselves from PC's as well. The biggest reason why I never finished Skyward Sword was because it was strictly motion based, had it been released with a classic controller feature, i would've loved it. I prefer gaming without the gimmicks and to me Wiimote/Gamepad/Kinect/Eyetoy/Move are all gimmicks.
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I don't mind the gimmicks personally, but I do like some old fashioned gaming at the end of the day.
I apologise if my post came across like "I will only play innovative games and never sequels". It was not my intention if your post was about my post. :D
I love most franchises that I have played and would gladly play sequels to them! I just like playing new IPs these days just to see what makes them different from the rest of that particular genre.
I am interested in what the PS4 can do, but unfortunately, Sony's output from what I have seen doesn't interest me at the moment. I love the Uncharted franchise and Motorstorm, but I think even if Sony announced those games on the system, I wouldn't be as excited for them due to being franchises I have played previously (I have Uncharted 2, 3 and GA...I had 1 but I sold it), something different is certainly welcome like that Knack game, but I haven't been a fan of Sony's platformers since the PS1 days.
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Motion gaming has never dominated my overall gaming experience, though there has been a handful of Kinect titles that I've really enjoyed and have warranted the purchase. PS Move I could see being great for the HotD lightgun games, though I haven't seen as many Move titles that look like must own games. I will say that Kinect's voice/motion controls are my go-to method of menu navigation. MS execs would love to have me on stage for the lifestyle demos. :P
Not entirely sure that Kinect 2 will push the next Xbox price up, is it known if the new PS Eye will come with every console?
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My issue is that Sony has a camera that is basically Kinect, so far, as I know, its not 'in the box' when you purchase it. I assume that Microsoft will have Kinect 2's in the box ... they pushed it hard enough.
My issue with this is, all this does is drive the price up for someone like me that doesn't want it. I hope there are SKU's without Kinect or Playstation Eye 4.
I rather Sony work on getting PSN games working on PS4 instead of a camera add-on. I like the idea of having the camera for game presentations though, but I rather purchase it myself if wanted.
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hiphopgamer is concerned about Nintendo
(http://i.imgur.com/y9XYvyU.jpg)
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Hiphopgamer is trash and should be ignored, it's like listening to Fox News for balanced and top notch reporting.
Not that he is wrong, still does not take a genius to make his guesses.
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Hiphopgamer is trash and should be ignored, it's like listening to Fox News for balanced and top notch reporting.
Not that he is wrong, still does not take a genius to make his guesses.
Aki-at VS HipHopGamer
SHOTS FIRED!!!!