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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Artwark on December 18, 2015, 11:01:48 pm
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When Nintendolife posted the 90% profit news, I was excited that SEGA could possibly go bankrupt. But people bashed my comment saying that I don't care about millions of people losing their jobs. While at the time of posting that comment I couldn't understand it because well, you can always find another job, I seem to understand the point now a little.
But either way, I can't see how SEGA can do a 180 degree turn. They lost Shenmue, They refuse to localize Phantasy Star Online 2, they released Yakuza 5 on PS3 instead of PS4/PC and to top it all of, they barely make use of their IP.
The only reason why many would defend SEGA is because SEGA has Atlus and some western developers who make quality games. But even their games are completely niche. Shin Megami is nowhere as famous as Final Fantasy and so is Phantasy Star.
How can SEGA win back and gain huge profit at this point if nearly everything they release doesn't end up selling well for them in the long run? Sonic sure as hell isn't saving them if the 25th anniversary game doesn't end up doing well because a lot of people said that they would stop being Sonic fans if this new Sonic game fails.
Now...the way I see it is that they somehow do well in Japan than in the west. And honestly, they are better of being in Japan and ditching the western market if they can't understand expectations that the western market has. Sure, even Nintendo sometimes doesn't satisfy everyone but they still give satisfaction and end up getting profitable regardless.
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Shenmue, Phantasy Star Online 2, and Yakuza 5 are also niche.
How would sega bankrupting benefit you? What is the positive to hope for that?
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SEGA are profitable, in fact even with the drop in profits forecast its STILL a healthy profit forecast.
Phantasy Star Online 2 is incredibly popular, pretty sure its one of the most popular MMO's in the Asian market... It doesn't need to sell Final Fantasy numbers.
SEGA still owns the Shenmue IP, they'll make money off of Shenmue 3 just like they did Bayonetta 2, which they also own.
The risk of SEGA going bankrupt any time soon is incredibly slim, they have vast pool of money and a lot of assets to sell off if needs be.
Apart from a select few games Nintendo's games bore me, Nintendo consoles aren't for me either, I don't like gimmicky controls and Amiibo can fuck right off... The few games they have been putting out recently have been mediocre to trash... And they are not always posting a profit.
On top of all that, you've just joined a forum of SEGA fans and told us you're excited at the prospect of them going bankrupt, don't expect to find much support... I'd hazard a guess that most people here prefer SEGA games to Nintendo games.
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Shenmue, Phantasy Star Online 2, and Yakuza 5 are also niche.
How would sega bankrupting benefit you? What is the positive to hope for that?
Shenmue is nothing to do with SEGA these days. I happen to think that PSO and Shenmue could be really big on the world stage and sell over a million plus copies . SEGA just doesn't want to take the risk and spend the kind of money to makes those games really big worldwide sellers . It's so sad to see SEGA the corp that dragged consoles in the on-line world be so utterly lame with the consoles .
We really should have had a console PSO game by now, built for the consoles and uniting consoles players around the world.
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Shenmue, Phantasy Star Online 2, and Yakuza 5 are also niche.
How would sega bankrupting benefit you? What is the positive to hope for that?
Because SEGA doesn't make use of their IP's a LOT more than Nintendo does with the exception of one or few. Having someone do it besides SEGA sounds promising because SEGA literally is in jeopardy.
If they go bankrupt, someone can buy them and make SEGA work harder than now, that's my point.SEGA are profitable, in fact even with the drop in profits forecast its STILL a healthy profit forecast.
Phantasy Star Online 2 is incredibly popular, pretty sure its one of the most popular MMO's in the Asian market... It doesn't need to sell Final Fantasy numbers.
SEGA still owns the Shenmue IP, they'll make money off of Shenmue 3 just like they did Bayonetta 2, which they also own.
The risk of SEGA going bankrupt any time soon is incredibly slim, they have vast pool of money and a lot of assets to sell off if needs be.
Apart from a select few games Nintendo's games bore me, Nintendo consoles aren't for me either, I don't like gimmicky controls and Amiibo can fuck right off... The few games they have been putting out recently have been mediocre to trash... And they are not always posting a profit.
On top of all that, you've just joined a forum of SEGA fans and told us you're excited at the prospect of them going bankrupt, don't expect to find much support... I'd hazard a guess that most people here prefer SEGA games to Nintendo games.
Firstly, Nintendo owns Bayonetta 2 and not SEGA. Secondly as I said, not everyone is satisfied with Nintendo but they do make finished games more often than SEGA and they often focus on quality rather than quantity. I understand that Amiibo might be a slap in someone's face even though they are optional but at the same time, it makes them profit.
Ok so saying that at this moment is a bit off. But I just don't understand the mindset that SEGA fans have here. There's even a petition to create a Dreamcast 2 http://thegg.net/general-news/will-there-ever-be-a-sega-dreamcast-2-from-dream-to-reality/
....something that I'm positive that SEGA will never do. Defending someone who doesn't deliver a LOT of promises more often than other companies. SEGA's list of IP is so valuable that they don't realize how to make use of them and don't deliver the western market's expectations.
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I mean yeah they've really screwed up a lot and I would share your stance after sonic 4's first reveal. But that was me in an emotional/angry/irrational state. I'd expect all SEGA fans to kind of be in a fase where its accepted that SEGA is trying to find its way up again after screwing themselves so hard. Id rather just find good content somewhere else in the meantime instead of still being invested to the extent of wishing people to lose their jobs for not meeting my demands... I mean come on... Isnt that a bit too much?
Having said that, anyone could have seen this coming from miles away. The community managers not taking fans serious and shrugging off a lot of passionate fans has blown them back real hard. I know it was them just doing their work. They're obviously not going to hire someone who questions the products that are created by the company. But I think of the community mangers as people who reflect the mentality of the company as a whole. At a lot of times it did feel like they were condescending and confident about the fans just being dumb and stupid. For all the defending and rediculing theydid, a lot of them actually ended up losing their job so it didnt help them either.
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Should I even respond to this click bait trash? Nah.
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Why would anyone be happy about others losing their jobs? Regardless of your opinion on said company, its never nice when people lose their job. As for SEGA, they'll be fine. They'll struggle like all companies do from time to time, but I'm sure they'll pull though.
As for Nintendo, let me know when they're not milking the same franchises over and over, milking money from dlc tat such as amiibo's and are relevant again.
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From time to time, a disgruntled Nintendo fan staggers in over here and tries to pick a fight with a bunch of Sega fans. As a company, Sega isn't hurting for money at all. As a creative entity, Sega has always been cooler than Nintendo and always will be. Just my humble opinion. Nintendo fans should just enjoy their games and look forward to their upcoming mobile games and whatever the NX turns out to be. Sorry if that's not actually satisfying for you.
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When Nintendolife posted the 90% profit news, I was excited that SEGA could possibly go bankrupt. But people bashed my comment saying that I don't care about millions of people losing their jobs. While at the time of posting that comment I couldn't understand it because well, you can always find another job, I seem to understand the point now a little.
SEGA is as likely to go bankrupt as Namco Bandai or Level 5, of course they're not as likely to go bankrupt as Nintendo, but still the chances of them to go bankrupt is relatively low. Also research up on Japan's economy, it's not as easy to get another job, especially in a culture that pays for long term loyality. New employees are unlikely to see the same sort of benefits as old ones.
But either way, I can't see how SEGA can do a 180 degree turn. They lost Shenmue, They refuse to localize Phantasy Star Online 2, they released Yakuza 5 on PS3 instead of PS4/PC and to top it all of, they barely make use of their IP.
Mobile games, expansion into Asia, developing of Western games and pouring more money in back into one mega project that is likely to succeed (IE Sonic) rather than focusing on several smaller projects that all fail. We're already seeing some successes here, titles like Chain Chronicle and Puyo Quest have grossed over $100 million for SEGA and Yakuza is now successful in certain Asian markets. However you seem to be mixing SEGA Sammy and SEGA Consumer Division (Specifically retail packaged games) up.
The only reason why many would defend SEGA is because SEGA has Atlus and some western developers who make quality games. But even their games are completely niche. Shin Megami is nowhere as famous as Final Fantasy and so is Phantasy Star.
Not sure I follow this point, even if a product is niche (Which I assure is not the case with stuff like SMT, niche should be for titles that are lucky to 100,000 worldwide) it depends on expectations vs final result. Total War, Football Manager, Company of Heroes and Persona haven't really missed many expectations.
How can SEGA win back and gain huge profit at this point if nearly everything they release doesn't end up selling well for them in the long run? Sonic sure as hell isn't saving them if the 25th anniversary game doesn't end up doing well because a lot of people said that they would stop being Sonic fans if this new Sonic game fails.
See who are we exactly talking about here, you mention SEGA but seem to include all of SEGA Sammy in this. Because if you want to focus on the game division alone, it's not really going anywhere. For now the majority of SEGA's profits are going to come from mobile games, which is a field they've seen good profits in.
Now...the way I see it is that they somehow do well in Japan than in the west. And honestly, they are better of being in Japan and ditching the western market if they can't understand expectations that the western market has. Sure, even Nintendo sometimes doesn't satisfy everyone but they still give satisfaction and end up getting profitable regardless.
They are not going to ditch the Western markets;
Sonic: Usually sells over 2 million
Total War: Usually sells over 2 million
Football Manager: Usually sells over a million
Company of Heroes: Usually sells over a million
They're not about to ditch 6 million in sells, plus whatever their niche (And Atlus' products) throw in the DLC these series also have now and its not a simple case of 2 million sales = x, it's going to be 2 million + x amount of DLCs people have purchased.
But let's entertain the idea SEGA goes bankrupt, outside of Sonic, Phantasy Star, Yakuza and Puyo, no one is going to even bother with their Japanese catalogue, Atlus had Persona in their collection and after SEGA it was a hedge fund that was the highest bidder for them. Them going bankrupt will solve zero ills you have with the company, unless you just want to see more Sonic games.
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Firstly, Nintendo owns Bayonetta 2 and not SEGA.
Nintendo licensed the Bayonetta IP from SEGA... SEGA owns Bayonetta, Nintendo are paying SEGA for the right to use the character.
Nintendo but they do make finished games more often than SEGA and they often focus on quality rather than quantity.
What 'quality' are you talking about? Mario Power Tennis Wii U? Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival? Animal Crossing Home Designer? Mario Party 10? Devils Third? Or are we talking about their poorly emulated classics on 3DS? Or perhaps that terrible looking new Star Fox?
At the moment I would say Nintendo have neither quality or quantity going for them.
Basically from what I gather you want SEGA to go bankrupt so that Nintendo can buy them.... Right? Worst possible idea ever. SEGA aren't going bankrupt but if they did I would have Sony or Microsoft buy them before Nintendo. You say SEGA don't make use of their IPs... But you reckon Nintendo would make use of Yakuza? Dawn of War? How shit would it be if Total War or Football Manager were Nintendo exclusive? No... just no. Especially if their next console is as shit as their last two.
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Should I even respond to this click bait trash? Nah.
Yeah I think it actually is.
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A lot of you seem to mock over Nintendo quite often and while I can understand your love over SEGA more than me, keep in mind about one thing that Nintendolife is open minded about nearly everything and the ones who bash about Nintendo's decisions are atleast constructive when they state their reasons.
if you guys love SEGA more than Nintendo, that's fine because quite honestly, people should support who they think are worth supporting. I personally love Nintendo because of the trust that I have with them and that they make games that when I play them, I love them majority of the times (And they are one of the reasons why I'm still around now to be honest) and their passion of games is beyond all other game developers.
SEGA is also part of my childhood that I honestly can't seem to understand their way of things and I slowly stopped viewing them except occasionally.
But lately, I just can't understand how SEGA is able to stand up after going through a LOT of bad games between 2005-09 and yes we did have some quality games like Valkyria Chronicles. but then there are just stupid decisions that cause them a lot of hate. Like Sonic Genesis GBA being bad......Sonic Boom.......Valkyria Chronicles 3 being Japan only........all of which just don't make any sense to me.
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Not really. Sega have made some dumb choices over the years and I'll quite happily call them out for it, but at least they're trying new things. I don't particularly care what name is on the box as such. If the game interests me, I'll try it. That's been the case for Nintendo over the years too. Sadly, I've found their games lack any imagination and people just seem to adore them for throwing out the same bread and butter games over and over with Splatoon being the only exception in years. It's been easy for Nintendo for years, but with the Wii and Wii u, they've hit the rocks.
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Not really. Sega have made some dumb choices over the years and I'll quite happily call them out for it, but at least they're trying new things. I don't particularly care what name is on the box as such. If the game interests me, I'll try it. That's been the case for Nintendo over the years too. Sadly, I've found their games lack any imagination and people just seem to adore them for throwing out the same bread and butter games over and over with Splatoon being the only exception in years. It's been easy for Nintendo for years, but with the Wii and Wii u, they've hit the rocks.
There's a difference between trying out new things and liking it. I don't care if they use the same formula that they used for Colors and Generations as long as there is fresh new level design and stuff until it has come to the point where they need to do something different. Change is something you shouldn't do until it is safe to do it and for Nintendo, I will agree that its safe for them to bring out a brand new Super Mario game which they did and it turned out great.
Instead of wasting money on making a new IP, SEGA can make use of their dormant IP's which are HUGER than Nintendo's. The only IP's that are dormant for Nintendo are namely F-Zero, Metroid, Star Fox and Golden Sun of which all of them have a very small audience.
I could include Advance Wars but knowing Intelligent Systems, I think they will make one sooner or later.
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Sadly, I've found their games lack any imagination and people just seem to adore them for throwing out the same bread and butter games over and over with Splatoon being the only exception in years. It's been easy for Nintendo for years, but with the Wii and Wii u, they've hit the rocks.
When they make a new IP (which is a lot more often then you think) people ignore it.
When they try something new people hate it.
When they try to play it safe people hate it.
Nintendo can't win because gamers are unreasonable brats.
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That's completely not true. I don't care if Nintendo do make the same games over and over. They don't personally interest me, but there's no denying they're fun. But don't come on here bad mouthing other studios etc for trying something else.
Yes, SEGA have made mistakes, but so have every other company. Nintendo are just as guilty, but the difference is, everyone seems to worship them due to having great memories from their childhood it seems.
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What 'quality' are you talking about? Mario Power Tennis Wii U? Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival? Animal Crossing Home Designer? Mario Party 10? Devils Third? Or are we talking about their poorly emulated classics on 3DS? Or perhaps that terrible looking new Star Fox?
I agree, but then you have Mario and Zelda main games . I mean I could do a list of sub bar SEGA games and the likes of the new Star Fox show what happens when you outsource a IP sometimes . And Nintendo only publish Devils Third it's not a NCL In-House game or a NCL
IP.
But you reckon Nintendo would make use of Yakuza? Dawn of War? How shit would it be if Total War or Football Manager were Nintendo exclusive? No... just no. Especially if their next console is as shit as their last two
Well Sharky the way SEGA Japan is going the likes of Yakuza will be on the mobile after SEGA Japan turns their back on the consoles . Still that's what you want right, its way the money is after all ?
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I agree, but then you have Mario and Zelda main games . I mean I could do a list of sub bar SEGA games and the likes of the new Star Fox show what happens when you outsource a IP sometimes . And Nintendo only publish Devils Third it's not a NCL In-House game or a NCL
IP.
Mario fair enough, but I never understood what people see in Zelda... It has had the same formula since the 90's, never brings much new to the table, never cutting edge because of Nintendo's hardware limitations... Bare bones story. I mean when you play a game like The Witcher and compare it's world/gameplay to the recent Zelda games there is no contest.
Well Sharky the way SEGA Japan is going the likes of Yakuza will be on the mobile after SEGA Japan turns their back on the consoles . Still that's what you want right, its way the money is after all ?
Why are you such a passive aggressive asshole? I've never said anything of the sort. I'm more than happy for SEGA to have a mobile division if it's going to keep them profitable, yes...
But I want console and even more so, PC games just as much as anyone.
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Mario fair enough, but I never understood what people see in Zelda... It has had the same formula since the 90's, never brings much new to the table, never cutting edge because of Nintendo's hardware limitations... Bare bones story. I mean when you play a game like The Witcher and compare it's world/gameplay to the recent Zelda games there is no contest.
Why are you such a passive aggressive asshole? I've never said anything of the sort. I'm more than happy for SEGA to have a mobile division if it's going to keep them profitable, yes...
But I want console and even more so, PC games just as much as anyone.
While we haven't seen Sakura Wars in the west except one game, they have announced a mobile game of sakura wars....and its horrible.
We're not here to talk about Nintendo's future here because while they have their own problems, it isn't anywhere as problematic as how SEGA is facing here because they can last very long.
Right now there are a few things that pop into mind?
1. How can SEGA win back its audience? Abandoning strong IP's like Shinobi, Phantasy Star etc isn't a smart move because the audience for those games are still strong in demand. Western Studios that SEGA owns are not going to be owned by SEGA if they keep making losses.
2.How can SEGA make profit if nearly every game they make is niche to begin with? There's some argument that their franchises aren't niche but seeing as how they keep many of their IP's sell less than more, they are still niche market.
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While we haven't seen Sakura Wars in the west except one game, they have announced a mobile game of sakura wars....and its horrible.
What has Sakura Wars got to do with anything? They have loads of great mobile games available.
We're not here to talk about Nintendo's future here because while they have their own problems, it isn't anywhere as problematic as how SEGA is facing here because they can last very long.
If you want to discuss SEGA, then at least listen to what others have said... As others have said SEGA are not at risk of going bankrupt, they're profitable, even with the very few games they released in 2015 because most have been pushed back into 2016, and a 90% drop in profits they're STILL profitable. And if they weren't, SEGA Sammy have load of money and a hell of a lot of assets to sell off before they go bankrupt... So you can put that dream to bed.
Right now there are a few things that pop into mind?
1. How can SEGA win back its audience? Abandoning strong IP's like Shinobi, Phantasy Star etc isn't a smart move because the audience for those games are still strong in demand. Western Studios that SEGA owns are not going to be owned by SEGA if they keep making losses.
None of those IP's are abandoned, there was a new Shinobi on the 3DS a couple of years back and Phantasy Star is in active right now... SEGA have revived series after a decade before, I don't think SEGA have ever said a series is abandoned...
Secondly all of SEGA's western developers are incredibly profitable, so why on earth would they sell them off? They wouldn't, all of their series are critically acclaimed, million sellers which sit in the charts for weeks on end.
2.How can SEGA make profit if nearly every game they make is niche to begin with? There's some argument that their franchises aren't niche but seeing as how they keep many of their IP's sell less than more, they are still niche market.
Just because a series is niche in one region doesn't mean it's niche world wide...
Sonic isn't niche
Phantasy Star Online isn't niche
Yakuza isn't niche
Company of Heroes isn't niche
Total War isn't niche
Football Manager isn't niche
Dawn of War isn't niche
Chain Chronicles isn't niche
Persona isn't niche
etc etc
Also I don't think you know what niche means, it doesn't mean not profitable, it means small audience... Which isn't a problem, plenty of companies survive on only niche titles and are still profitable. SEGA have both niche and popular titles... And they still regularly turn a profit.
SEGA are in no trouble financially... And the REASON they've lowered their profit forecast this year is because they've delayed most of their games into 2016 to promote quality while Nintendo this season have released a looooaaad of trash.
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Pretty sure he doesn't know the difference between SEGA and SEGA Sammy..
Anyways, if SEGA is niche, then so is Nintendo. How would Nintendo not be considered niche at this point? 11 mil Wii U's sold in 3 years. The only people buying Wii U's at this point are fans, which means that's a pretty niche install base.
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That's not true that only fans buy it. I have parents and "normal" people buy Wii U's all of the time at the target I work at.
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Shenmue, Phantasy Star Online 2, and Yakuza 5 are also niche.
How would sega bankrupting benefit you? What is the positive to hope for that?
They're not going bankrupt anytime soon.
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/6460/financials/cash-flow
So we don't have to worry about that.
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When they make a new IP (which is a lot more often then you think) people ignore it.
Splatoon is selling like hotcakes, so that's not true.
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I mean yeah they've really screwed up a lot and I would share your stance after sonic 4's first reveal. But that was me in an emotional/angry/irrational state. I'd expect all SEGA fans to kind of be in a fase where its accepted that SEGA is trying to find its way up again after screwing themselves so hard. Id rather just find good content somewhere else in the meantime instead of still being invested to the extent of wishing people to lose their jobs for not meeting my demands... I mean come on... Isnt that a bit too much?
Having said that, anyone could have seen this coming from miles away. The community managers not taking fans serious and shrugging off a lot of passionate fans has blown them back real hard. I know it was them just doing their work. They're obviously not going to hire someone who questions the products that are created by the company. But I think of the community mangers as people who reflect the mentality of the company as a whole. At a lot of times it did feel like they were condescending and confident about the fans just being dumb and stupid. For all the defending and rediculing theydid, a lot of them actually ended up losing their job so it didnt help them either.
Julian "Clumsyorchid" Mehfield the former Community Manager of Sega of America was dismissed from his position on May 31,2015 by Sega Holdings.
For a REASON.
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Just because companies dont make money the way you like does not mean they are in danger of existing.
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Julian "Clumsyorchid" Mehfield the former Community Manager of Sega of America was dismissed from his position on May 31,2015 by Sega Holdings.
For a REASON.
Nope. Keep personal attacks on former staff of these forums. Julian, Kellie and the other CMs are friends to the site and I will not sit back and allow people to freely attack them here.
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Nope. Keep personal attacks on former staff of these forums. Julian, Kellie and the other CMs are friends to the site and I will not sit back and allow people to freely attack them here.
Clever man, how much do you charge? ;)
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Clever man, how much do you charge? ;)
The SEGAbits $¥£ Karma store opens in 2016.
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Nope. Keep personal attacks on former staff of these forums. Julian, Kellie and the other CMs are friends to the site and I will not sit back and allow people to freely attack them here.
Plus, isn't he supposedly the voice behind the Sonic The Hedgehog social media accounts now?
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No, that's Aaron Webber.
Julian covered the general SEGA stuff, and Kellie handled Sonic. Both left when SEGA moved away from San Fran. I do not know if they were given the offer to move and keep their jobs, and so I don't think it's my place to make a guess on that. But both their roles were filled when SEGA moved south.
In any case, Julian was a very friendly and helpful guy to fans and fansites. He also handled the SEGA Forums, so he has made enemies with several well known forum crazies who spammed the SEGA forums with their conspiracy theory nonsense. I know that Julian has been harassed in the past by crazed fans to the point where he was being hounded outside of the usual forum/twitter environments, so I'm putting a stop to any form of personal vendetta's or attacks on former staff - especially those who we here at the site deal with.
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What has Sakura Wars got to do with anything? They have loads of great mobile games available.
If you want to discuss SEGA, then at least listen to what others have said... As others have said SEGA are not at risk of going bankrupt, they're profitable, even with the very few games they released in 2015 because most have been pushed back into 2016, and a 90% drop in profits they're STILL profitable. And if they weren't, SEGA Sammy have load of money and a hell of a lot of assets to sell off before they go bankrupt... So you can put that dream to bed.
None of those IP's are abandoned, there was a new Shinobi on the 3DS a couple of years back and Phantasy Star is in active right now... SEGA have revived series after a decade before, I don't think SEGA have ever said a series is abandoned...
Secondly all of SEGA's western developers are incredibly profitable, so why on earth would they sell them off? They wouldn't, all of their series are critically acclaimed, million sellers which sit in the charts for weeks on end.
Just because a series is niche in one region doesn't mean it's niche world wide...
Sonic isn't niche
Phantasy Star Online isn't niche
Yakuza isn't niche
Company of Heroes isn't niche
Total War isn't niche
Football Manager isn't niche
Dawn of War isn't niche
Chain Chronicles isn't niche
Persona isn't niche
etc etc
Also I don't think you know what niche means, it doesn't mean not profitable, it means small audience... Which isn't a problem, plenty of companies survive on only niche titles and are still profitable. SEGA have both niche and popular titles... And they still regularly turn a profit.
SEGA are in no trouble financially... And the REASON they've lowered their profit forecast this year is because they've delayed most of their games into 2016 to promote quality while Nintendo this season have released a looooaaad of trash.
Why are you defending SEGA a lot? Do you realise that they have a LOT of IP's dormant compared to Nintendo? Think about people like me who would die to see a brand new Gunstar Heroes game. Think about that for a sec.
Why are you defending them. They are profitable now but that's only because they didn't release a LOT of games for this year. SEGA can't afford to deliver mediocre games. So the fact that SEGA has Total War and Company of Heroes just means that they don't have to make use of their first party studios? What are you saying here.
Nintendo has often being criticised whether they make quality games or not so you mocking over Nintendo in favour of SEGA isn't surprising. If you talk trash about Nintendo, then do that. Don't defend SEGA over Nintendo because financially, Nintendo is richer than SEGA.
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Yo have that backwards. Sega normally loses tons of money when they fail to release hit games in any given year, usually around 50-100 million in losses. The fact that they've been able to pull a profit despite the lack of games is good news financially speaking, as it means they are likely to afford their games greater development time, though you can debate as to whether it is good news from a managerial standpoint.
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Why are you defending SEGA a lot? Do you realise that they have a LOT of IP's dormant compared to Nintendo? Think about people like me who would die to see a brand new Gunstar Heroes game. Think about that for a sec.
Why are you defending them. They are profitable now but that's only because they didn't release a LOT of games for this year. SEGA can't afford to deliver mediocre games. So the fact that SEGA has Total War and Company of Heroes just means that they don't have to make use of their first party studios? What are you saying here.
Nintendo has often being criticised whether they make quality games or not so you mocking over Nintendo in favour of SEGA isn't surprising. If you talk trash about Nintendo, then do that. Don't defend SEGA over Nintendo because financially, Nintendo is richer than SEGA.
Are you seriously comparing bank balances as a way to determine who's better?
As I said before, Nintendo get an easy ride from the media in this industry as they have
nostalgia on their side.
You mention Gunstar Heroes...SEGA published that, treasure made it. When it comes to games that people want to see a the return of, it's mostly doesn't equal amazing sales like people think. Those who do want said title, are usually just very vocal, which gives the sense of it being in high demand. At least SEGA don't play it safe like Nintendo constantly do with their output.
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Are you seriously comparing bank balances as a way to determine who's better?
As I said before, Nintendo get an easy ride from the media in this industry as they have
nostalgia on their side.
You mention Gunstar Heroes...SEGA published that, treasure made it. When it comes to games that people want to see a the return of, it's mostly doesn't equal amazing sales like people think. Those who do want said title, are usually just very vocal, which gives the sense of it being in high demand. At least SEGA don't play it safe like Nintendo constantly do with their output.
What do you mean by not playing it safe? Making horrible Sonic games for the rest of their lifespan? Not making more profit as they should? not focusing on their IP which are more valuable than even Nintendo's...admittedly?
Also, I want to argue a bit here and say that you haven't really dug deep into Nintendo games along with those who claim that Nintendo games aren't that great. Have you seen Xenoblade Chronicles, Splatoon and Kid Icarus Uprising?
The only thing that I can somewhat agree that Nintendo plays it safe is when making the New Super Mario series....other than that, nothing is safe. Mario Kart 8 has serious lack of multiplayer content unlike its predecessors.
Do you honestly think that as long as SEGA makes crappy games time and time again, they can still be loved? game companies exist to make games and right now, SEGA doesn't seem to pay any attention towards the western market because they have western studios that they own. So at this point, are you suggesting that SEGA can just forget about being a game developer and instead stick to publishing games forever?
If so, then newsflash, many IP's that SEGA had will be long gone and the new IP's will end up like the old ones. That's like telling Nintendo to do the same thing and they will end up with the same result as SEGA. SEGA is a complete joke right now and defending them for not making games that you or me want them to make is just abysmal. Sure, I defend Nintendo a lot but that's because they make games that I and many want them to make. The ones that they don't make are the ones that are completely forgotten by many.
Those western studios that SEGA has won't last them long. Sure, SEGA may treat them well but western studios most of the time don't deliver expectations. Look at Halo 5 for example. The potential that the player could face Master chief is nothing but a two minute cutscene.
You want SEGA to be completely stuck in the shadow? If so, then there's no point of even being on their side. Heck, there's no point of even mentioning them. The more IP that SEGA has, the more chances of them being dormant are incredibly high.
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That's the difference though. SEGA don't make just crappy games. They've made plenty of good ones too. Yes, not everything they do is amazing (and likewise for Nintendo and every other company), what you're talking about here is personal taste. RoF, Condemned, SEGA All stars racing transformed, Vanquish, JSRHD, Tembo, Alien Isolation, the list goes on of good titles. They've only had and handful of bad games in terms of broken, low quality meh.
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That's the different though. SEGA don't make just crappy games. They've made plenty of good ones too. Yes, not everything they do is amazing (and likewise for Nintendo and every other company), what you're talking about here is personal taste. RoF, Condemned, SEGA All stars racing transformed, Vanquish, JSRHD, Tembo, Alien Isolation, the list goes on of good titles. They've only had and handful of bad games in terms of broken, low quality meh.
So then where's the sequel of Vanquish if it sold well then? Where's the sequel of RoF then? Not yet happening? Well too bad because that's the sign of SEGA not caring about their IP's anymore.
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Rof didn't sell that well due to being overshadowed and a Vanquish sequel would be up to Platinum. Also, not everything needs a sequel (or, be milked) you know. That's Nintendo's tactic ;)
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So then where's the sequel of Vanquish if it sold well then? Where's the sequel of RoF then? Not yet happening? Well too bad because that's the sign of SEGA not caring about their IP's anymore.
Artwark, I'm not quite clear what your M.O. is here. You entered a SEGA forum, so you should know that kicking up dust is going to get you in arguments despite the fact that you introduced yourself here stating "Hopefully, my perspective and opinions don't unnecessarily alienate anyone around here."
Thus far you've wished bankruptcy on the company, showed little respect for their current output, and turned the discussion into a dick measuring contest with company bank balances.
As much as we here at the forums like a good debate, this sort of stuff is just old hat and not fun. I know I don't gleefully hop on these forums each day to write up yet another defense for a company I love.
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Regarding your latest post, Tad was listing recent quality titles from SEGA and you flip the conversation to sequels. As though sequels are the only sign a game is good...? In that case, Condemned and All-Stars Racing had sequels. Tembo and Isolation are too recent to even know if sequels are on the way, but an Isolation sequel is likely. Vanquish and Resonance of Fate are IPs SEGA owns but were developed by external developers. So for starters, it is on both SEGA and that developer for a sequel to get made. Even though we did not see sequels to these games yet, which again I will state is not a sign that the original game was bad, both tri-Ace and PG made titles following those releases with SEGA. This alone should tell you SEGA were happy with the respective teams output. tri-Ace developed PS Nova, PG fulfilled their 5 game contract with Anarchy Reigns and have since done work for Konami, Activision and Nintendo and we saw Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U – a SEGA owned IP.
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Why are you defending SEGA a lot? Do you realise that they have a LOT of IP's dormant compared to Nintendo? Think about people like me who would die to see a brand new Gunstar Heroes game. Think about that for a sec.
SEGA have more dormant IP's because they actually make new IP's regularly... There is no way SEGA could bring back all of their dormant IPs at one time... They simply don't have the staff. Nintendo on the other hand stick to their tried and true (and tired and boring) same 10 or so IP's and milk them for everything they're worth. That works for them so great, but I like SEGA working on new IP's. Yes I would be trilled to see new games in a few of their classic IP's and every so often SEGA brings one back. That's just how they work... Like it or not.
Why are you defending them. They are profitable now but that's only because they didn't release a LOT of games for this year. SEGA can't afford to deliver mediocre games. So the fact that SEGA has Total War and Company of Heroes just means that they don't have to make use of their first party studios? What are you saying here.
But they are making use of their first party studios... You think there is a single studio just sitting twiddling their thumbs? You think that's how it works? SEGA just pays employees to do nothing all day? Of course they're all working on something, whether we get those games in the West or not is another story, THAT is SEGA's biggest problem right now.
You think they are only profitable because they didn't release many games this year? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Developing games costs money, so if they have a load of games in development- which they do- then NOT releasing them this year can't possibly be helping profits... The reason they dropped their profit forecast for the year is BECAUSE they have pushed back the release date of many games that now fall out of this year into next year...
Nintendo has often being criticised whether they make quality games or not so you mocking over Nintendo in favour of SEGA isn't surprising. If you talk trash about Nintendo, then do that. Don't defend SEGA over Nintendo because financially, Nintendo is richer than SEGA.
You're on the forum of a SEGA fansite, bud... You came here to criticise SEGA and talk up Nintendo and you're shocked to find people who disagree with you? Incredible.
Of course I like SEGA more than Nintendo. Why the hell do you think I'm here? =s
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Also, I want to argue a bit here and say that you haven't really dug deep into Nintendo games along with those who claim that Nintendo games aren't that great. Have you seen Xenoblade Chronicles, Splatoon and Kid Icarus Uprising?
Do you honestly think that as long as SEGA makes crappy games time and time again, they can still be loved?
Sorry for the double post, but this is golden. Pot calling the kettle black much?
'How can you say all Nintendo games are bad, btw all SEGA games are crappy.'
I don't think any one is saying all Nintendo games are bad anyway, simply the majority of them are not appealing to us. People are different, they like different things. People here like SEGA's style of games more... Which is why we're SEGA fans... I'd rather play Virtua Fighter than Smash Bros, I'd rather play Total War than Pikmin, Valkyria Chronicles than Xenoblade and so on...
Also all of SEGA's western studios are great, make profitable, popular titles and show no sign of stopping. SEGA have always had western studios, some of the very best Sonic games were made in the USA.
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You know it's funny. People say Nintendo never makes new IPs, yet this year alone the company produced Box Boy, Codename S.T.E.A.M., and Splatoon. "No those don't count because I hate it" doesn't count as an answer, and it's not even the only year where new IPs were created.
Also I would like to point out that SEGA is the company that like to pretend they have only one IP, not Nintendo. Especially blatant in the West where it seems like the only thing they care about is Sonic. Before you mention Shenmue III and Yakuza 5, remember that it's more so because of Sony why they're even relevant.
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Funny how the argument here is that Nintendo milks franchises. What about Sonic then? What about Football Manager. You guys are literally not getting the point here. Sequels means that you want more of the experiences that the IP only can give you and that's the reason that Nintendo's IP work as there is no reason for them to make new IP instead of offering new experiences by making sequels.
Also, you say that bringing new IP's is better than bringing old IP's. Well then tough luck because SEGA will lose more of its audience.
Fans of Phantasy Star should deserve more Phantasy Star games and the fact that SEGA tends to replace Phantasy Star with Valkyria Chronicles is awful.
The way you're saying that Nintendo milks their franchises to death is making me think that you haven't seen a LOT of games that Nintendo has made. If SEGA can't compete quality in the likes of Platinumgames, Treasure and even Capcom(Who is way better than SEGA btw) then don't expect SEGA to be more profitable than it is now. The only way SEGA can compete with them is to deliver quality and the only way to do that is avoiding stupid decisions like poorly marketing Rhythm thief and many other IP's.
A Company like SEGA missing E3 is a horrible thing to happen especially for SEGA.
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So basically, you're a Nintendo fan boy coming onto a SEGA site and flip floping on your own argument. Okay.
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TLDR; Sega having a variety of IP is bad unless its the IP I want therefore bad Sega.
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You know it's funny. People say Nintendo never makes new IPs, yet this year alone the company produced Box Boy, Codename S.T.E.A.M., and Splatoon. "No those don't count because I hate it" doesn't count as an answer, and it's not even the only year where new IPs were created.
Also I would like to point out that SEGA is the company that like to pretend they have only one IP, not Nintendo. Especially blatant in the West where it seems like the only thing they care about is Sonic. Before you mention Shenmue III and Yakuza 5, remember that it's more so because of Sony why they're even relevant.
Not true. SEGA have always been strong in the west for multiple titles like the strategic or FM series or console games, not just Sonic. Shenmue was strongly desired before Sony stepped in. Sony just provided Yu Suzuki the platform to launch it from. Yakuza has always been popular. As for Nintendo, they have had some new titles (only Splatoon as a big one though), but compared to SEGA, not much.
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Sequels means that you want more of the experiences that the IP only can give you and that's the reason that Nintendo's IP work as there is no reason for them to make new IP instead of offering new experiences by making sequels.
No one, and i mean no one asked for another Pikmin, Donkey Kong, or even New Super Mario Bros. Yet Nintendo refuses to listen to their fans and shove the same formula down their throats time and time again.
Fans of Phantasy Star should deserve more Phantasy Star games and the fact that SEGA tends to replace Phantasy Star with Valkyria Chronicles is awful.
Not sure which world you live in, but people actually like Valkyria Chronicles. Do fans want to see Phantasy Star out West? Of course we do, but we also enjoy the variety that SEGA develops/publishes out here.
The way you're saying that Nintendo milks their franchises to death is making me think that you haven't seen a LOT of games that Nintendo has made. If SEGA can't compete quality in the likes of Platinumgames, Treasure and even Capcom(Who is way better than SEGA btw) then don't expect SEGA to be more profitable than it is now. The only way SEGA can compete with them is to deliver quality and the only way to do that is avoiding stupid decisions like poorly marketing Rhythm thief and many other IP's.
Capcom is in no way better than SEGA. Aside from a few flagship franchises, a lot of their more recent titles have been shit. I mean, have you seen what Resident Evil has turned into? Lost Planet turned into shooter garbage. Where is Megaman Legends 3?
I don't understand where this argument of quality is coming from. Have you seen Nintendo's latest output? Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival, Tri Force Heroes, Happy Home Designer, Mario Party 10, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash? Does that sound like quality titles to you?
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Capcom rivaled SEGA, software wise, back in 1999/2000. Now, HA! Hardly...
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I'm coming in this neutral since it does seem to be getting hostile.
I love SEGA's games (even the ones that get critiqued), and I love Nintendo games (even when they have their own problems).
Personally, I hate to see any company critiqued whether they have a lack of IPs, have too many IPs or whether their portfolio is good or not.
Of course, there is always a good discussion about SEGA here and of course some may mock other companies from time to time, but I do hope that it's never serious because at the end of the day we're all gamers and acknowledge each companies weaknesses (including SEGAs).
When I wasn't active before, it was more a lack of news on SEGA's side, but the news of games has me a little bit more excited than usual, and I wish SEGA the best to continue the good will.
At the same time though, they do seem to be backing off on console development, but as a company, they do what they have to do.
You know what company I've noticed making more and more IPs every year? Tecmo-Koei. Granted I used to just know them as the "Dynasty Warriors" company, but I am really respecting them for their new approach with their list of existing IPs as well as their new ones (DoA, Ninja Gaiden, the Atelier Series, Ar no Surge etc). I am pretty surprised actually, and I do hope that one day SEGA and TK collaborate on something incredible as the two seem to provide something the other couldn't in my eyes.
Anyway, that's my take on the thread, and I hope it doesn't sound like I am defending SEGA or Nintendo in this case, as I do love what they both do in their own way and see a little bit of one another in their gameplay sometimes.
Edit: The point about no one likes Valkyria Chronicles. I do, and I wouldn't like anyone thinking that one franchise replacing another is a bad thing. In this case, Phantasy Star and Valkyria Chronicles are too different to be related, so it's not been replaced at all.
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Sega having a future can obviously only be guaranteed by Sonic Retro infiltrating the company. I will start a petition to make this happen I will update you guys on it also be sure to visit projectretro.co.
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If you want SEGA to be bought by Nintendo that's all good, but I'd expect almost all of their franchises to be put away or sold off. Let's first assess SEGA themselves, I'm not talking about TMS animation or the resorts or even the arcade centres they own, I'm just going to focus on the home video game section.
SEGA has only one multi-million selling franchise, Sonic the Hedgehog. This series will continue to flourish under Nintendo.
SEGA's other successful console series Yakuza will most likely be shelved after the next one bombs on a Nintendo only console, there is just no market for mature titles on Nintendo consoles because the company themselves haven't tried to carter to that demograph.
Phantasy Star Online 2 would be in disarray mainly because Nintendo still hasn't comprehended how to handle digital services (Though that could have changed after their team up with the mobile company their working with)
Persona is a strange one, but I'll give this one the benefit of the doubt and say this too will flourish under Nintendo so long as it continues to do over a million.
Then we've got a bunch of series that see sales of under 400,000. I just don't see Nintendo continuing with Hatsune Miku or Puyo Puyo. They might look to continue them for a while but they've shown to shelves series that don't push good numbers. The opportunity costs for them is just too great.
As for Relic, The Creative Assembly and Sports Interactive? I expect all three to have little use to Nintendo since they're primarily PC developers.
So I'm just not seeing where this "Nintendo will save them" idea is coming from, Nintendo could have bought Atlus for $100 million (Which with the Persona series alone would have made back the money they spent.) they didn't and I don't see them eager to buy SEGA, ESPECIALLY as now the majority of SEGA's money is coming from the mobile and PC markets.
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I cant understand why someone would want that to happen other than living in a dreamworld. It just doesnt make sense in the real world, even for nintendo. Sonic is the only thing that fits in their comfort zone. The other things either dont fit or wouldnt be worth the effort and risk to build back interest for them. In many cases a failed attempt would be likely giving how times have changed
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If SEGA can't compete quality in the likes of Platinumgames, Treasure and even Capcom(Who is way better than SEGA btw) then don't expect SEGA to be more profitable than it is now.
Oh I see how it is... You came here to tell us your ill conceived wet dream of SEGA going bankrupt so Nintendo can buy them up and only use Sonic... When that back fired it's just turned into baseless claims that SEGA SUX.
Platinum's games have been hit and miss from the beginning and Capcom? Capcom release a ton of crap.
So basically, you're a Nintendo fan boy coming onto a SEGA site and flip floping on your own argument. Okay.
Nailed it.
Just go back through this thread and see how his argument has changed. It's all about this talking SEGA and blowing Nintendo. He can't seem to listen to anything anyone says and would rather keep saying 'SEGA games suck.'
'You guys just aren't getting it' he tells genuine SEGA fans, while he comes to a SEGA fan site and tries to tell us what to like.
The only reason this guy isn't banned yet is because it's kind of entertaining watching his argument get torn to ribbons.
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Ok you know what? Fine, There's no point of even making this argument. SEGA's awesome and Nintendo isn't because that's the entire point most of you are trying to make here.
Just wait next year and we'll see how SEGA shapes things up. The latest Total War game is already being hated by some fans.
So ok, if PC and Mobile is making the most profit, then how about SEGA port their classics on PC? Is it really that hard to port games on PC especially when SEGA can make a LOT of money bringing SEGA Master System games or Dreamcast games on PC which they haven't done much of?
Keep praising SEGA because you don't like the criticism that I'm giving to SEGA and I'm only bashing SEGA because they are better than delivering crappy games and they are better than even Nintendo(To you atleast).
Also, you say that Nintendo doesn't make mature games.....what about Fire Emblem, Metroid, Xenoblade and Eternal Darkness? Like I said, you haven't really seen a LOT of their games. And yes, people still want Mario games even now so obviously, there's a market otherwise, why would the New series sell more than a million?
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Ok you know what? Fine, There's no point of even making this argument. SEGA's awesome and Nintendo isn't because that's the entire point most of you are trying to make here.
Nobody ever said that... You're the one that came here and said SEGA games are crappy... (your words) And that Nintendo only make quality titles... We're only disagreeing and giving you evidence to back up our claim.
Just wait next year and we'll see how SEGA shapes things up. The latest Total War game is already being hated by some fans.
That has been the case with every TW game since the beginning of time, that's the nature of a few vocal TW fans, they whiney about all sorts... It still sells like hotcakes and this new one will sell better than any other... Again you're wishing harm on SEGA and their IPs... Pretty sad.
So ok, if PC and Mobile is making the most profit, then how about SEGA port their classics on PC? Is it really that hard to port games on PC especially when SEGA can make a LOT of money bringing SEGA Master System games or Dreamcast games on PC which they haven't done much of?
SEGA have LOADS of their classics on Steam... Literally no other Japanese company has more games on Steam than SEGA do.
Keep praising SEGA because you don't like the criticism that I'm giving to SEGA and I'm only bashing SEGA because they are better than delivering crappy games and they are better than even Nintendo(To you atleast).
There you go again with the crappy games thing... That is only your opinion. I've played plenty of great SEGA games recently, hell Yakuza 5 released in the West last week.
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This is what you need buddy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEAGcGIUOTg
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Nobody ever said that... You're the one that came here and said SEGA games are crappy... (your words) And that Nintendo only make quality titles... We're only disagreeing and giving you evidence to back up our claim.
That has been the case with every TW game since the beginning of time, that's the nature of a few vocal TW fans, they whiney about all sorts... It still sells like hotcakes and this new one will sell better than any other... Again you're wishing harm on SEGA and their IPs... Pretty sad.
SEGA have LOADS of their classics on Steam... Literally no other Japanese company has more games on Steam than SEGA do.
There you go again with the crappy games thing... That is only your opinion. I've played plenty of great SEGA games recently, hell Yakuza 5 released in the West last week.
Get this one thing straight.....
Yakuza 5 didn't come from SEGA's change of heart. The only reason it came is because of Sony and nothing else. Do you honestly think that the next Valkyria game will come to the west? Very unlikely.
I stated that compared to Nintendo who works hard to make bug free games majority of the times, SEGA isn't the one who can be like Nintendo. When oh when was the last time that besides a few games, you often see a finished game with no bugs or crashes from SEGA games? Nintendo games when you play them are atleast finished games with nearly no bugs in them.
What evidence are you giving by saying that Nintendo plays it safe compared to SEGA where they do crap? For crying out loud, the Wii U isn't doing well for Nintendo. this year for Nintendo is a disaster because not only did they lost Satoru Iwata, things just were under huge pressure for them because they were struggling to maintain their emotions and whatnot and that has to probably explain why the games for this year weren't much. Even if SEGA games aren't crap, they still aren't great games. Tembo a mixed response and I can go on here.
Again, you're defending SEGA from the total war argument. Sure, the games will sell well but if SEGA is going to put microtransactions in them, that's even worse than usual.
I think you need this video here to explain it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsGlmNM8OhA
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Pretty much none of the SEGA games have bugs. The only ones I can think of that do, is the external ones like Gearbox and big red button - which were widely considered terrible. And, again, you've changed the argument. First it was why haven't they made sequels, now it's why haven't they made bug free games.
Sony had nothing to do with Yakuza, so, again, you're making stuff up. That video was published in August. Since then, the company has already come out and said they're changing their approach.
Tembo got mostly positive reviews I'll think you'll find.
As for Nintendo, are you seriously suggesting Iwata's death is the reason they've been bad? They've been dropping the ball even when he was alive. So don't you DARE use that as an excuse. Nintendo's output is and has always been their own fault. They failed to reinvest money they made from the Wii on their own portfolio of studios (on western ones especially), they've failed to read the market and made a terrible console even they've struggled to find a purpose for and yet again, they've failed to see the importance of third party support.
I wish Iwata's family and friends the very best and the world is a far dimmer places without him, but do not for a moment think he was perfect in his time at Nintendo. He made some shockingly poor choices at times that has led to where Nintendo are right now.
You might be thinking I hate Nintendo, but I really don't . Nintendo do make fun games, but the amount of ass kissing that goes on by the media is of no surprise to me as many people in said media grew up on Nintendo consoles. What I hate about Nintendo is some of the ridiculous decisions they make that do nothing but alienate them. Decisions even a blind man can see are wrong.
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Yakuza 5 didn't come from SEGA's change of heart. The only reason it came is because of Sony and nothing else. Do you honestly think that the next Valkyria game will come to the west? Very unlikely.
Valkyria has a confirmed Western trademark. It's coming over.
When oh when was the last time that besides a few games, you often see a finished game with no bugs or crashes from SEGA games?
What? Now I'm convinced you only play Sonic games. Hatsune Miku, Yakuza 0, Dengaki Fighters Climax don't have many if any bugs and their third party games didn't this year either far as I know.
I think you need this video here to explain it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsGlmNM8OhA
I don't even have to watch that video but I bet he mixes SEGA's gaming division with SEGA Sammy. The gaming division has seen growth for the last three years.
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A little bit I missed out...
Also, you say that Nintendo doesn't make mature games.....what about Fire Emblem, Metroid, Xenoblade and Eternal Darkness? Like I said, you haven't really seen a LOT of their games.
I never said Nintendo doesn't make mature games, I said they don't cater to that market. That there is the difference and look, the fact you had to use series that haven't seen a mainstream releases in over 5 years kind of proves my point.
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They do occasionally make an effort though. Bayonetta 2, Xenoblade 1/2, fatal frame, and Devil's third were all attempts to cater to a more mature audience(with mixed results obviously). I'm not sure any company should be "catering to a mature audience" in the first place though. And in nintendo's case it almost always seems forced. Like Pixar making a slasher.
Likewise people who avoid games because they seem too "kiddy" make me sick. You would never get to enjoy gems like splatoon or chu chu rocket with that attitude.
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Pretty much none of the SEGA games have bugs. The only ones I can think of that do, is the external ones like Gearbox and big red button - which were widely considered terrible. And, again, you've changed the argument. First it was why haven't they made sequels, now it's why haven't they made bug free games.
Sony had nothing to do with Yakuza, so, again, you're making stuff up. That video was published in August. Since then, the company has already come out and said they're changing their approach.
Tembo got mostly positive reviews I'll think you'll find.
As for Nintendo, are you seriously suggesting Iwata's death is the reason they've been bad? They've been dropping the ball even when he was alive. So don't you DARE use that as an excuse. Nintendo's output is and has always been their own fault. They failed to reinvest money they made from the Wii on their own portfolio of studios (on western ones especially), they've failed to read the market and made a terrible console even they've struggled to find a purpose for and yet again, they've failed to see the importance of third party support.
I wish Iwata's family and friends the very best and the world is a far dimmer places without him, but do not for a moment think he was perfect in his time at Nintendo. He made some shockingly poor choices at times that has led to where Nintendo are right now.
You might be thinking I hate Nintendo, but I really don't . Nintendo do make fun games, but the amount of ass kissing that goes on by the media is of no surprise to me as many people in said media grew up on Nintendo consoles. What I hate about Nintendo is some of the ridiculous decisions they make that do nothing but alienate them. Decisions even a blind man can see are wrong.
You are like everyone around for thinking that Satoru Iwata was solely the one with the bad decisions. Its not just him going through all of that but rather the entire board. The amount of criticism that Nintendo gets isn't because of what they do but rather what they are. Even if this year Nintendo has made great games (which they already have) People will still bash at them because of what they are and that's innovation. I'm very positive that if the NX is super powerful and its the best machine for third parties, people will still complain about it because of that one little unique move they put on that system. Many worship the Vita more than the 3DS despite the latter having better support.
You say that Nintendo is dropping the ball? Explain the sales of the 3DS then. Explain Amiibo sales. The Wii U failed because of its timing and execution not done right simple as that and yet they finally made profit and it even outsold the dreamcast.
As for Yakuza, you're wrong again. SEGA only released Yakuza 5 only because of Sony and the SEGA bits even proves this fact. They are also handling the publishing for Shenmue 3 for playstation.
Many of you are comparing the SEGA games and the Sammy merge when it still doesn't matter if they still can't deliver quality. I've played quite a few SEGA games and I can say that even Valkyria Chronicles has some bugs that can't be fixed. You say that Nintendo keeps milking their Ip's non stop but yet when SEGA does it, no one's complaining because of what logic? Like idk, Sonic, Total War?
Heck, you're not even open minded to accept the stupid decisions that SEGA has made. What the hell was the reason to only make three sonic games for Nintendo when it could be something else like After Burner Climax?
Whether SEGA is a publisher or a developer, their IP is left to dust. That new Valkyria game sounds like a complete ripoff out of Fire Emblem. Talk about innovation.
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It seems to me that nintendo is really conservative with their game development budget. I think I recently read that even xenoblade X, with the scale it has and everything was even a mid budget game, well relatively speaking when you compare it to projects of the same scale.
Its true that they do put effort in catering more in a mature audience, its usually that they dont put the same budget into those games compared to like SEGA. I feel like nintendo really holds strong to the principle of not wanting budgets to get to high for any game except for exceptions like Zelda. I believe its the reason why we havent seen a metroid game yet. The amount of work that would cost right now would be huge. Not only in assets and scale, but it would have to live up to expectations at the same time.
On one side I admire how they work well within this limitation, but projects that require a lot more work suffer at the same time. But then again, a lot of publishers have suffered from that risky method and SEGA has been one of them.
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They do occasionally make an effort though. Bayonetta 2, Xenoblade 1/2, fatal frame, and Devil's third were all attempts to cater to a more mature audience(with mixed results obviously). I'm not sure any company should be "catering to a mature audience" in the first place though. And in nintendo's case it almost always seems forced. Like Pixar making a slasher.
Likewise people who avoid games because they seem too "kiddy" make me sick. You would never get to enjoy gems like splatoon or chu chu rocket with that attitude.
Comparing Nintendo to Pixar isn't a great comparison. They're a platform holder vs a studio within a media conglomerate. For Nintendo they need to attract as many people as possible to the platform to ensure its got a healthy future.
And whilst they have had attempts to try and bring over a demograph of mature players they are still unabashedly the king's of family friendly and colourful games. Now that's great for characters such as Sonic, the LEGO series of game etc but they're missing out on an increasingly large group of players. It's the same reason Sony has kept around Killzone or Sly or Ratchet, they want to cater to those specific demographs so the third party titles also do well.
It's not too hard for Nintendo either, continue to try and create mature games and make game development easy for third parties and success should in theory follow but it's not something that happens overnight (look at the gap between the PS4 and X1 in US and UK, reversing industry trends can take up a whole generation.)
But the point wasn't just about mature titles but focusing on specific series SEGA owns and outside of Sonic and possibly Persona, I don't see their other big series lining up with the tastes of the current userbase of Nintendo's console and handheld devices.
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You are like everyone around for thinking that Satoru Iwata was solely the one with the bad decisions. Its not just him going through all of that but rather the entire board. The amount of criticism that Nintendo gets isn't because of what they do but rather what they are. Even if this year Nintendo has made great games (which they already have) People will still bash at them because of what they are and that's innovation. I'm very positive that if the NX is super powerful and its the best machine for third parties, people will still complain about it because of that one little unique move they put on that system. Many worship the Vita more than the 3DS despite the latter having better support.
You say that Nintendo is dropping the ball? Explain the sales of the 3DS then. Explain Amiibo sales. The Wii U failed because of its timing and execution not done right simple as that and yet they finally made profit and it even outsold the dreamcast.
As for Yakuza, you're wrong again. SEGA only released Yakuza 5 only because of Sony and the SEGA bits even proves this fact. They are also handling the publishing for Shenmue 3 for playstation.
Many of you are comparing the SEGA games and the Sammy merge when it still doesn't matter if they still can't deliver quality. I've played quite a few SEGA games and I can say that even Valkyria Chronicles has some bugs that can't be fixed. You say that Nintendo keeps milking their Ip's non stop but yet when SEGA does it, no one's complaining because of what logic? Like idk, Sonic, Total War?
Heck, you're not even open minded to accept the stupid decisions that SEGA has made. What the hell was the reason to only make three sonic games for Nintendo when it could be something else like After Burner Climax?
Whether SEGA is a publisher or a developer, their IP is left to dust. That new Valkyria game sounds like a complete ripoff out of Fire Emblem. Talk about innovation.
oh, look. You're putting words in my mouth now. I never said Iwata's was solely to blame nor did I say SEGA don't make mistakes. They've made plenty and it's lead to quite a lot of problems over the years. Sony aren't publishing Shenmue, they're doing the marketing for it. If VC has bugs in it, you're the first to mention it. As for total war, you do know they're mostly expansions to a hugely popular series? Right?
As for Nintendo, I was clearly talking about their console not their handhelds. Their handhelds have been great. And this point, you're entire argument is a series of troll like behaviour and straw clutching.
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To slightly diverge from the topic, but one thing I do have a concern with SEGA is their struggles with localizing stuff. If there are plans in the future to fix this problem, I think it would help people be more hopeful towards the company. Because honestly no one wants to say "Oh it's just going to stay in Japan don't bother" every single time a new game is revealed.
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Yakuza 5 didn't come from SEGA's change of heart. The only reason it came is because of Sony and nothing else. Do you honestly think that the next Valkyria game will come to the west? Very unlikely.
I stated that compared to Nintendo who works hard to make bug free games majority of the times, SEGA isn't the one who can be like Nintendo. When oh when was the last time that besides a few games, you often see a finished game with no bugs or crashes from SEGA games? Nintendo games when you play them are atleast finished games with nearly no bugs in them.
What evidence are you giving by saying that Nintendo plays it safe compared to SEGA where they do crap? For crying out loud, the Wii U isn't doing well for Nintendo. this year for Nintendo is a disaster because not only did they lost Satoru Iwata, things just were under huge pressure for them because they were struggling to maintain their emotions and whatnot and that has to probably explain why the games for this year weren't much. Even if SEGA games aren't crap, they still aren't great games. Tembo a mixed response and I can go on here.
To be fair to everyone here, everyone's happy that Sony's giving Yakuza 5 a chance since most people here want to at least play as many of the mainline titles as possible.
I recall a Nintendo fan arguing with me about Nintendo doing mature titles and apparently SEGA only caters to the mature audience, when that is simply not true. Fire Emblem I would class as a game many teens and young adults play, but you rarely see the games go out of their way to promote gore, sex and prostitution, so it's a fairly tame franchise (and I like that). Nintendo knows their audience and they do it so well which is why they make profits. The same goes for SEGA, they try to go for whichever audience their games cater to. :)
SEGA games aren't perfect, but they are never game breakingly buggy. Now, in regards to Nintendo, their own games haven't had the best record as many seem to claim. There's a glitch in some of the Pokemon games (even White/Black 2 has a bug in the double battles where if both of your pokemon faint, you can't continue as the game only lets you swap "1" pokemon). I do agree that Nintendo's record is better than many other companies, but I have found problems in some of their own games that I can't defend (and to this day, some of them I refuse to play because of said glitches such as Super Paper Mario in European copies).
Regarding the playing it safe response. Nintendo do take risks now and again, but I don't honestly blame them for using the tried and tested formula (would you go to a Butchers to buy their new Bread products?), I do believe a balance is better for both SEGA and Nintendo, to which I believe SEGA is at least getting there.
I honestly feel sorry for Nintendo due to losing a great programmer, but they do have plans to move forward and hopefully do what they do best.
I understand if you don't like SEGA games quite as much as the users here do, but they are not as bad as you would suggest. I would recommend you a few SEGA games if you want? :)
@FlareHabanero: Agree 100%, and it's sad to see that Segalization exists because of the lack of confidence in localisations. :(
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Oh god it's an AlphaOmegaSin video ahahahahuiodsnouidfidfsa
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AlphaOmega...sin.
What a terrible name.
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This topic has nothing to do with the future of SEGA at this point. It started with that future being one person's wish for bankruptcy and devolved into a Nintendo Vs. SEGA debate.
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It's always been that I feel. You only have to look at the OP to see it.
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Name me a single SEGA game that has had game breaking bugs? The worst offender is probably the Total War series but they're also some of the most complex games going, Nintendo haven't even come close to attempting to programming something so complex. It's easy not to have bugs when your games are mainly simple platformers.
Also, to say the new Valkyria game looks like Fire Emblem is... ridiculous. You know fantasy setting SRPGs existed before Fire Emblem right?
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Sonic '06 comes to mind, but throwing a 10 year old game out there as the only real internally developed SEGA game worthy of "game breaking bug offender" does not help an argument as one has to dig back 10 years and that same team have since made much better games when it comes to stability.
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Alien isolation crashed on me and lost me about 5 hours worth of progress. Thats nothing unusual in the pc world though. Look, we all know nintendo games are extremely polished but im not sure id call sega the worst offender these days when it comes to performance. Sonic is a pretty good litnus test given that 06 was the company's lowest point and colors/gens/slw were very tight technically. You almost appreciate it more because of the history.
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Name me a single SEGA game that has had game breaking bugs? The worst offender is probably the Total War series but they're also some of the most complex games going, Nintendo haven't even come close to attempting to programming something so complex. It's easy not to have bugs when your games are mainly simple platformers.
Also, to say the new Valkyria game looks like Fire Emblem is... ridiculous. You know fantasy setting SRPGs existed before Fire Emblem right?
I said it sounds like it, not what it looks like. The permadeath etc is something that Fire Emblem is known for and the approach sounds like they are literally copying it instead of doing something different.
Sure, SRPG's existed before Fire Emblem, but Fire Emblem is the one that revived the genre.
Fine, you believe what you want and as I said, time will tell whether SEGA is worth getting into at this point of time. Just know that the Sonic's fanbase patience is wearing thin and if SEGA screws up the next Sonic game, they lost a MAJOR audience.
Give me a list of IP's that SEGA is using at this very point and the result would be that its extremely low. Who cares about their western studios if internally they can't make great games to begin with besides VC.
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To be fair to everyone here, everyone's happy that Sony's giving Yakuza 5 a chance since most people here want to at least play as many of the mainline titles as possible.
I recall a Nintendo fan arguing with me about Nintendo doing mature titles and apparently SEGA only caters to the mature audience, when that is simply not true. Fire Emblem I would class as a game many teens and young adults play, but you rarely see the games go out of their way to promote gore, sex and prostitution, so it's a fairly tame franchise (and I like that). Nintendo knows their audience and they do it so well which is why they make profits. The same goes for SEGA, they try to go for whichever audience their games cater to. :)
SEGA games aren't perfect, but they are never game breakingly buggy. Now, in regards to Nintendo, their own games haven't had the best record as many seem to claim. There's a glitch in some of the Pokemon games (even White/Black 2 has a bug in the double battles where if both of your pokemon faint, you can't continue as the game only lets you swap "1" pokemon). I do agree that Nintendo's record is better than many other companies, but I have found problems in some of their own games that I can't defend (and to this day, some of them I refuse to play because of said glitches such as Super Paper Mario in European copies).
Regarding the playing it safe response. Nintendo do take risks now and again, but I don't honestly blame them for using the tried and tested formula (would you go to a Butchers to buy their new Bread products?), I do believe a balance is better for both SEGA and Nintendo, to which I believe SEGA is at least getting there.
I honestly feel sorry for Nintendo due to losing a great programmer, but they do have plans to move forward and hopefully do what they do best.
I understand if you don't like SEGA games quite as much as the users here do, but they are not as bad as you would suggest. I would recommend you a few SEGA games if you want? :)
@FlareHabanero: Agree 100%, and it's sad to see that Segalization exists because of the lack of confidence in localisations. :(
I played the european version of Super Paper Mario and I haven't encountered any glitches that would ruin the experience....you are missing out on a great game if you refuse to play the whole of it. Its story is still deep enough.
And yeah, I'd like some SEGA games recommendations as of now or previously.
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Internally the company is perfectly capable of making quality products. Project Diva, Puyo Puyo, Yakuza, Valkyria Chronicles, and Phantasy Star Online are examples. The actual problem is marketing and localizing said titles so people actually buy and play them.
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I said it sounds like it, not what it looks like. The permadeath etc is something that Fire Emblem is known for and the approach sounds like they are literally copying it instead of doing something different.
Valkyria Chronicles has had perma-death since the very first game and it works differently than in Fire Emblem... Evidently you've not played VC.
Sure, SRPG's existed before Fire Emblem, but Fire Emblem is the one that revived the genre.
The genre never died.
Just know that the Sonic's fanbase patience is wearing thin and if SEGA screws up the next Sonic game, they lost a MAJOR audience.
For once you've said something I agree with.
Give me a list of IP's that SEGA is using at this very point and the result would be that its extremely low.
For the sake of not being here all day, I won't list the many popular Arcade only series SEGA have like Boarder Break, CHUNITHM, Wonderland Wars, Star Horse or MaiMai ect, ect... And for your benefit, so you don't look toooo silly I won't include the long list of popular mobile only games like Monster Gear, War Pirates, Hortensia Saga or The World Ends Eclipse ect, ect.
So, counting only recently used IP's for console/handheld/PC.
-Sonic the Hedgehog
-Phantasy Star Online
-Phantasy Star (offline rpg series)
-Valkyria Chronicles
-7th Dragon
-Yakuza/Ryu Ga Gotoku
-Project Diva
-FootBall Manager
-Total War
-Stella Glow
-Shining series
-Denki Bunko Climax Fighting
-Miracle Girls Festival
-Warhammer
-Dawn of War
-Puyo Puyo
-Mario and Sonic 2016
-Chain Chronicles
-Persona
-SMT
-Odin Sphere
-Etrian Odyssey
-Alien Isolation
-Tembo
Of course there have been updates to these classic IP's recently so they must count:
-Outrun
-Fantasy Zone
-After Burner
-Thunder Blade
-Streets of Rage
-Ecco
-Galaxy Force
-Shinobi
-Power Drift
-Space Harrier
-Golden Axe
There are easily many more, this was off the top of my head...
Who cares about their western studios if internally they can't make great games to begin with besides VC.
They make plenty of great games beside VC... And lots of people care about their western studios, it's why Microsoft has contracted Creative Assembly to develop Halo Wars 2.
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Valkyria Chronicles has had perma-death since the very first game and it works differently than in Fire Emblem... Evidently you've not played VC.
The genre never died.
For once you've said something I agree with.
For the sake of not being here all day, I won't list the many popular Arcade only series SEGA have like Boarder Break, CHUNITHM, Wonderland Wars, Star Horse or MaiMai ect, ect... And for your benefit, so you don't look toooo silly I won't include the long list of popular mobile only games like Monster Gear, War Pirates, Hortensia Saga or The World Ends Eclipse ect, ect.
So, counting only recently used IP's for console/handheld/PC.
-Sonic the Hedgehog
-Phantasy Star Online
-Phantasy Star (offline rpg series)
-Valkyria Chronicles
-7th Dragon
-Yakuza/Ryu Ga Gotoku
-Project Diva
-FootBall Manager
-Total War
-Stella Glow
-Shining series
-Denki Bunko Climax Fighting
-Miracle Girls Festival
-Warhammer
-Dawn of War
-Puyo Puyo
-Mario and Sonic 2016
-Chain Chronicles
-Persona
-SMT
-Odin Sphere
-Etrian Odyssey
-Alien Isolation
-Tembo
Of course there have been updates to these classic IP's recently so they must count:
-Outrun
-Fantasy Zone
-After Burner
-Thunder Blade
-Streets of Rage
-Ecco
-Galaxy Force
-Shinobi
-Power Drift
-Space Harrier
-Golden Axe
There are easily many more, this was off the top of my head...
They make plenty of great games beside VC... And lots of people care about their western studios, it's why Microsoft has contracted Creative Assembly to develop Halo Wars 2.
At this point, nothing is really convincing you that interms of the western market, Only VC and Sonic are worth checking out. So yeah, I guess time will tell whether SEGA is stupid to ignore E3 again like this year (I'd be fine if they announce games within Sony/Microsoft or even Nintendo's directs) time will tell just how its going to be.
As for the arcades, really? You are counting on millions of arcades that are exclusively in Japan that can't let everyone else play it?
Mobile and PC.....what about it? Most of them are published by them. That's like saying that a publisher is also a developer because somehow they know games better. You can say the same logic for Pokemon and it won't make any sense because its developed by Game Freak and not by Nintendo.
And as I've stated earlier....the only real reason SEGA is alive is because of them having western studios and Atlus. Besides that, they literally have nothing but their arcades and a bad mouth for the western market. So yeah...if next year SEGA announces the next Phantasy Star game for the west or makes a fine quality Sonic game....well I'll be dammed (They actually can do it...its just that they are too stupid to not understand quality).
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Mario fair enough, but I never understood what people see in Zelda... It has had the same formula since the 90's, never brings much new to the table, never cutting edge because of Nintendo's hardware limitations.
Hey I agree with you on Zelda, but SEGA is now doing the same with Yakuza - A game which brings nothing new over Shenmue and is just the same with each so called new instalment.
I what amazing tech do SEGA Japan have ? . Even the Wii U is more powerful than most mobile phone bases SEGA Japan likes to back.
Why are you such a passive aggressive asshole
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Insults now ? . That's the trouble when one becomes a fanboy , It wasn't so long ago that the likes of you were saying consoles were dead and how Mobile and Tablets were the future and how their interface suited SEGA and their Arcade Teams . Simple facts are even with this so called Mobile boom SEGA made less profits than the likes of Capcom and to most gamers they just don't care about SEGA anymore .
You keep going on about PC other than 3 games , SEGA doesn't have much of a focus on PC's at all, on consoles SEGA name isn't great and neither are its sales and mobile well most games we'll never ever be able to play. And you really become desperate when one needs to include the likes of Powerdrift in SEGA IP- when retro packs are nothing at all new and having to list the likes of Shenmue III and Rez are just as bad imo
For all this talk of SEGA and how much you love them... SEGA haven't made a game that makes you wanted a new next gen console; not like the old SEGA could ... One look at a 10% complete JSRF made me want a XBox from day one . One play of Monkeball on my mates import Cube made me get the Cube on its USA launch with Super Monkeyball. One look at Val on the PS3 made me get a PS3 . All new games not some reprint of classic games or a crappy mobile download, that's the old SEGA that I knew and used to love
What amazing SEGA games have you bought over the last year ?
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Hey I agree with you on Zelda, but SEGA is now doing the same with Yakuza - A game which brings nothing new over Shenmue and is just the same with each so called new instalment.
I what amazing tech do SEGA Japan have ? . Even the Wii U is more powerful than most mobile phone bases SEGA Japan likes to back.
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Insults now ? . That's the trouble when one becomes a fanboy , It wasn't so long ago that the likes of you were saying consoles were dead and how Mobile and Tablets were the future and how their interface suited SEGA and their Arcade Teams . Simple facts are even with this so called Mobile boom SEGA made less profits than the likes of Capcom and to most gamers they just don't care about SEGA anymore .
You keep going on about PC other than 3 games , SEGA doesn't have much of a focus on PC's at all, on consoles SEGA name isn't great and neither are its sales and mobile well most games we'll never ever be able to play. And you really become desperate when one needs to include the likes of Powerdrift in SEGA IP- when retro packs are nothing at all new and having to list the likes of Shenmue III and Rez are just as bad imo
For all this talk of SEGA and how much you love them... SEGA haven't made a game that makes you wanted a new next gen console; not like the old SEGA could ... One look at a 10% complete JSRF made me want a XBox from day one . One play of Monkeball on my mates import Cube made me get the Cube on its USA launch with Super Monkeyball. One look at Val on the PS3 made me get a PS3 . All new games not some reprint of classic games or a crappy mobile download, that's the old SEGA that I knew and used to love
What amazing SEGA games have you bought over the last year ?
This completely....except that I disagree with the Zelda thing but everything else, heck yes.
Sonic Runners......do you know how boring that game gets? Its not fun at all and its all because of one simple problem. Its microtransactions.
If SEGA was really adamant on releasing 3D Classics on 3DS, then why in the hell can't they make a brand new game that makes use of it?
And that's the real problem here. Internally, what are they doing? All I hear from them internally is that they make some sorry excuses here and there and then when they release their games, they make sorry excuses again...... Recently the CEO of SEGA is NOW saying that we will focus on quality when THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO DELIVER QUALITY FROM THE START!?!?!?
I feel sorry for those employees really. Its like they don't have a choice but do what's told and even if they do that, their chances of them losing their jobs are high because of the community management.
Look, I'm not complaining here. Infact, there are loads of SEGA games that I bought time and time again. My request is simple....whatever SEGA does, they have to do it right. If they release a game on 3DS, Wii U, PS4 and ONE, make it right. And as of now, since they haven't really made much of releases, its hard to say whether their games are quality or not.
I'm harsh here, I'll admit it. Some of my comments are really rude and yes, I've hurted some. But honestly, most of you guys are defending them even when they haven't promised you a lot.
Yuji Naka single handedly made SEGA the legendary it is of 90's and sure he didn't do a LOT like Miyamoto-San did but its enough to say that if Sonic weren't around, SEGA wouldn't be able to make the Genesis into a reality.
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And that's the real problem here. Internally, what are they doing
Endless outsourcing , Yakuza and mobile and that's the new SEGA Japan . Maybe there's hope the Sonic Team will start to deliver on the next gen
then why in the hell can't they make a brand new game that makes use of it
Cheaper easier to outsource and raid SEGA classic IP of old . Rather develop In-House sequels, that's Sammy SEGA for you. Thing is in 20 years time Sammy have no classic SEGA Ip to raid because they've made so little classics compared to the old CSK SEGA.
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I said it sounds like it, not what it looks like. The permadeath etc is something that Fire Emblem is known for and the approach sounds like they are literally copying it instead of doing something different.
Sure, SRPG's existed before Fire Emblem, but Fire Emblem is the one that revived the genre.
First of all permenant death have been around in games longer and with far bigger games than Fire Emblem. Using a single feature to say this is a copying of the formula is the same as saying Sonic and Metroid are the same because both characters can turn into a ball. It's fairly ludicrous when Valkyria is going to turn out to be closer to an action RPG.
You're second point is pretty silly when SEGA's last Valkyria game was in 2011 and the current Valkyria isn't even a SRPG.
Maybe it's time you give up because it seems you're content with moving goal posts and don't really seem to have any singular point to your discussion except SEGA is really bad and Nintendo is great, I wish the latter goes bankrupt and stripped down for my own personal reasons and Nintendo can revive them (which is completely outside the realms of possibility.)
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Yuji Naka single handedly made SEGA the legendary it is of 90's and sure he didn't do a LOT like Miyamoto-San did but its enough to say that if Sonic weren't around, SEGA wouldn't be able to make the Genesis into a reality.
EH now that I've read this it's easy to see how you come to such a poor conclusion and seem to hardly research the subject matters.
And the Mega Drive was out before Sonic anyway.
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First of all permenant death have been around in games longer and with far bigger games than Fire Emblem. Using a single feature to say this is a copying of the formula is the same as saying Sonic and Metroid are the same because both characters can turn into a ball. It's fairly ludicrous when Valkyria is going to turn out to be closer to an action RPG.
You're second point is pretty silly when SEGA's last Valkyria game was in 2011 and the current Valkyria isn't even a SRPG.
Maybe it's time you give up because it seems you're content with moving goal posts and don't really seem to have any singular point to your discussion except SEGA is really bad and Nintendo is great, I wish the latter goes bankrupt and stripped down for my own personal reasons and Nintendo can revive them (which is completely outside the realms of possibility.)
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EH now that I've read this it's easy to see how you come to such a poor conclusion and seem to hardly research the subject matters.
And the Mega Drive was out before Sonic anyway.
VC isn't anywhere as charming and the permadeath in that game isn't well thought out unlike Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is known for its charm in characters....something that the new Valkyria game is going to do and I said that it SOUNDS like a Fire Emblem ripoff and not LOOKING like one. Also, there's a difference between Sonic and Metroid but I don't want to go into detail about it.
Genesis was out before Sonic but if it weren't for Naka-San, Genesis wouldn't be able to compete with SNES because Nintendo at the time no matter what games they had, they still have Mario and that's something that SEGA needed to do...competing against him which Naka-San did. Talk about logic here.
Let me spell out here. You are defending SEGA by saying that SEGA and Sega sammy are completely different. Whether they are differences between them or not, they are losing more and more of their audiences if they keep doing dump decisions like how they just did now. Not being in E3 whatsoever because of their american division moving to San Francisco, Announcing Fire And Ice.....and lastly, not releasing much of games in this year.
Arcades......well can you tell me where I can play their arcades in the western market? Why oh why are you defending them on releasing things that aren't in the west? That sounds like you are worshipping them even if they haven't released anything for you. Nintendo has a Rhythm Heaven game for the 3DS in Japan and I swear that if that game isn't released in the west (and I'm saying this because it does do well here in the west) then I'll be angry at NoA because they decide what works in the west and what doesn't and its their fault that we can't get games like the exclusively Japan region Fire Emblem games from NES-GBA.
Mobile and PC........Again, the only reason why the hell they are profitable there is because of western studios and as the previous comment stated.......Phantasy Star can't even beat Monster Hunter the only IP that Capcom ever has to survive. Sad how SEGA can't even compete to the likes of Capcom let alone Nintendo for that matter. Infact, despite their annoying decisions, I can say that Capcom is better than SEGA in many ways.
While we're at it, let's talk PC.....Besides the Genesis and a few Dreamcast games along with some console ported games, what the hell did they just release brand new as of now? And I'm talking about an IP that they dedicated so much and released it into PC. Don't you dare mention any console games that they ported to PC's because that doesn't count. I'm talking about games they have released EXCLUSIVELY on PC. And publishing doesn't count. I'm talking internally like solid exclusive PC gaming in mind....what the hell did they release exclusively on PC?
Phantasy Star Online 2 which already got a PC release is now getting a PS4 port? What bloody sense does that make? They stated that they will focus on Mobile and PC market and yet, they are wasting money on porting their games to consoles? Yeah......that's a head scratch right there. I'd rather see them do a NEW phantasy star game than PORT an already perfect game on console.
Nintendo is better than SEGA because while they still can't satisfy everyone and are often criticised for not making their systems powerful, they atleast make games that a LOT of people want. I love Mario games and I'll be DAMMED if Nintendo never made a new Mario game for their next console NX. They take their time and dedication to make quality games in the end. Other M wasn't criticised for its existence. It was criticized for its story..that's it. Recent games that Nintendo had this year weren't developed by them but they published them. You can't say that they are to be blamed because they had no involvement when they only publish games.
Which is why SEGA as a whole is a joke. Publishing wise, they do mixed. Some are fine and others are a joke. Development wise is also the same. You can say praise for SEGA because of them publishing games that they didn't involve in yet put your thumb down on Nintendo for just doing the same for this year? Its publishing not developing.
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Good, goooood. Let the hate flow through you!
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At this point, nothing is really convincing you that interms of the western market, Only VC and Sonic are worth checking out.
Opinion.
And as I've stated earlier....the only real reason SEGA is alive is because of them having western studios and Atlus. Besides that, they literally have nothing but their arcades and a bad mouth for the western market.
You can keep stating it from now until the cows come home, it wont make it any more true...
VC isn't anywhere as charming and the permadeath in that game isn't well thought out unlike Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is known for its charm in characters....something that the new Valkyria game is going to do and I said that it SOUNDS like a Fire Emblem ripoff and not LOOKING like one.
(http://i49.tinypic.com/sy44zq.jpg)
If there was ever any doubt you're just a ranging Nintendo fanboy here to spout some shit, there isn't anymore.
Please explain to me how the perma death in Fire Emblem is better thought out. Go into detail.
Everything else, about 'charm' is just a matter of opinion.
Nintendo is better because blah blah I'm a fanboy
This is all YOUR OPINION, dickhead. You're on a SEGA forum of a SEGA fansite, amongst SEGA fans to tell us that Nintendo are better? You're like the Spanish Inquisition invading someone else's culture to save our souls by telling us what we enjoy is the wrong. Thanks for being a martyr bro, but I reckon we'll be fine.
You've made it pretty clear you're not here to discuss SEGA, you're here to preach your opinion like it's a fact and I'm getting pretty bored of you now...
Now taking votes on whether we should ban this guy?
For the record, personally, I find Nintendo are nothing short of embarrassing; Their consoles are third rate, their online service sucks, the VC is poorly handled, their line up is sparse, the Amiibos are paid DLC disguised as cheap plastic tat..., Their attitude towards Youtube streamers is gross, Oh and the new 3DS doesn't come with a fucking charger! I mean, how fucking sleazy can a company get?
They're lucky that they release a good game once in a blue moon because literally everything else they do is cheap, third rate, lazy or just plain sleazy.
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I'm talking about games they have released EXCLUSIVELY on PC. And publishing doesn't count. I'm talking internally like solid exclusive PC gaming in mind....what the hell did they release exclusively on PC?
Have you like...ignored the vast majority of the past 9 or so years of Sega Europe's Output? Because if you have, I can see why you would be asking this question. If not, I'm not sure why you asked in the first place.
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Have you like...ignored the vast majority of the past 9 or so years of Sega Europe's Output? Because if you have, I can see why you would be asking this question. If not, I'm not sure why you asked in the first place.
Mate, he has demonstrated time and time again in this thread that he knows fuck all about SEGA as a company, their business practice, their financial situation or even their games... He's played a few Sonic games and he's heard of Valkyria Chronicles... That's about as far as it goes.
Came here to let us know he wants SEGA to go bankrupt so Nintendo can buy them. A hilarious, poorly thought out pipe dream that could never happen...
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He hasn't been rude or belligerent so isn't a ban is out of the question? You can easily ignore this topic and his opinions.
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VC isn't anywhere as charming and the permadeath in that game isn't well thought out unlike Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is known for its charm in characters....something that the new Valkyria game is going to do and I said that it SOUNDS like a Fire Emblem ripoff and not LOOKING like one. Also, there's a difference between Sonic and Metroid but I don't want to go into detail about it.
Sounds like you aren't even doing any research into the subject it seems. Just with this topic, you're turning this into some versus debate saying x franchises is poor compared to y franchise.
Genesis was out before Sonic but if it weren't for Naka-San, Genesis wouldn't be able to compete with SNES because Nintendo at the time no matter what games they had, they still have Mario and that's something that SEGA needed to do...competing against him which Naka-San did. Talk about logic here.
Seems you aren't well versed in the history of the 16 bit generation. For starters SEGA already overcame Nintendo in Europe with the Master System, the next challenge was America which although Sonic played a part wasn't the single reason they managed to get a foodhold in the US.
Let me spell out here. You are defending SEGA by saying that SEGA and Sega sammy are completely different. Whether they are differences between them or not, they are losing more and more of their audiences if they keep doing dump decisions like how they just did now. Not being in E3 whatsoever because of their american division moving to San Francisco, Announcing Fire And Ice.....and lastly, not releasing much of games in this year.
No you referenced a silly video that made the mistake of comparing SEGA's profits when it was the profits of the whole group. SEGA's gaming division has seen growth in the last three years, this is what you seem to not understand.
Arcades......well can you tell me where I can play their arcades in the western market? Why oh why are you defending them on releasing things that aren't in the west? That sounds like you are worshipping them even if they haven't released anything for you. Nintendo has a Rhythm Heaven game for the 3DS in Japan and I swear that if that game isn't released in the west (and I'm saying this because it does do well here in the west) then I'll be angry at NoA because they decide what works in the west and what doesn't and its their fault that we can't get games like the exclusively Japan region Fire Emblem games from NES-GBA.
Projecting.
Mobile and PC........Again, the only reason why the hell they are profitable there is because of western studios and as the previous comment stated.......Phantasy Star can't even beat Monster Hunter the only IP that Capcom ever has to survive. Sad how SEGA can't even compete to the likes of Capcom let alone Nintendo for that matter. Infact, despite their annoying decisions, I can say that Capcom is better than SEGA in many ways.
Chain Chronicle makes more money than every series SEGA owns.
Phantasy Star not being able to beat a series that does 4 million is not a bad thing.
Capcom being better than SEGA is subjective but I don't see why you feel the need to continually turn this into some versus topic, that's not good discussion, that's fanboyish behavior.
While we're at it, let's talk PC.....Besides the Genesis and a few Dreamcast games along with some console ported games, what the hell did they just release brand new as of now? And I'm talking about an IP that they dedicated so much and released it into PC. Don't you dare mention any console games that they ported to PC's because that doesn't count. I'm talking about games they have released EXCLUSIVELY on PC. And publishing doesn't count. I'm talking internally like solid exclusive PC gaming in mind....what the hell did they release exclusively on PC?
Phantasy Star Online 2 which already got a PC release is now getting a PS4 port? What bloody sense does that make? They stated that they will focus on Mobile and PC market and yet, they are wasting money on porting their games to consoles? Yeah......that's a head scratch right there. I'd rather see them do a NEW phantasy star game than PORT an already perfect game on console.
Nintendo is better than SEGA because while they still can't satisfy everyone and are often criticised for not making their systems powerful, they atleast make games that a LOT of people want. I love Mario games and I'll be DAMMED if Nintendo never made a new Mario game for their next console NX. They take their time and dedication to make quality games in the end. Other M wasn't criticised for its existence. It was criticized for its story..that's it. Recent games that Nintendo had this year weren't developed by them but they published them. You can't say that they are to be blamed because they had no involvement when they only publish games.
Which is why SEGA as a whole is a joke. Publishing wise, they do mixed. Some are fine and others are a joke. Development wise is also the same. You can say praise for SEGA because of them publishing games that they didn't involve in yet put your thumb down on Nintendo for just doing the same for this year? Its publishing not developing.
This is verging on inconsistent ramblings, I don't even get what your point is. I mean you excuse Nintendo's poor games because they published the games, not developed them, then lap up the blame on SEGA with titles like Sonic Boom?
You've talked about SEGA's profits going down (They haven't, SEGA Sammy has, but the gaming divisions has gone up) you've mentioned how SEGA hardly make glitch free games (Which you were proven wrong) dreamed about Nintendo acquiring them (outside the realms of possibility) and well absolve Nintendo of all blame.
Now taking votes on whether we should ban this guy?
Disagree as much as I disagree with his arguments. But I do feel if there isn't any solid base for discussion in this topic and turning into a cheap Nintendo vs SEGA thread full of subjective opinions then there's little point keeping it open but I'll leave it to George/Barry to decide that.
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SEGA haven't made a game that makes you wanted a new next gen console; not like the old SEGA could ... One look at a 10% complete JSRF made me want a XBox from day one . One play of Monkeball on my mates import Cube made me get the Cube on its USA launch with Super Monkeyball. One look at Val on the PS3 made me get a PS3 . All new games not some reprint of classic games or a crappy mobile download, that's the old SEGA that I knew and used to love
Certain people are regularily saying that they would buy PS4 for games like Yakuza, VC and also PSO2 (of course if they come West).
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I'm one of those people.
I was planning on buying a PS4 when U4 was released, but it's been pushed back till April now. Quantum Break releases the same month for XBOX, so I'll just buy that instead.
Anyways, I wouldn't ban the kid for having a difference of opinion. If he starts trolling, that's something different.
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Funny that people here are going around talking about Valkyria Chronicles copied Fire Emblem (Lol wtf), when the team literally just copied them this year with Project STEAM, which was a big flop. But hey, if Nintendo does it, its a-ok.
As for SEGA's next generation outing. We will actually see what they have this year, since the company went through a huge restructure.
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Funny that people here are going around talking about Valkyria Chronicles copied Fire Emblem (Lol wtf), when the team literally just copied them this year with Project STEAM, which was a big flop. But hey, if Nintendo does it, its a-ok.
Hah, good point. Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. looks like a pretty shameful rip-off from Valkyria Chronicles
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Funny that people here are going around talking about Valkyria Chronicles copied Fire Emblem (Lol wtf), when the team literally just copied them this year with Project STEAM, which was a big flop. But hey, if Nintendo does it, its a-ok.
Just checked it out, Ahahaha that was hideous, what a shitty looking rip-off!
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Rad Rappy
He's here for the soul purpose of telling people SEGA sucks and Nintendo is great, he wont listen to any counter argument and it has boiled down to 'you're wrong and I'm right' and fanboy wars. At what point is it too much? When the forum fills up with this nonsense? I personally think nipping this kind of crap in the bud is the right move.
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Rad Rappy
He's here for the soul purpose of telling people SEGA sucks and Nintendo is great, he wont listen to any counter argument and it has boiled down to 'you're wrong and I'm right' and fanboy wars. At what point is it too much? When the forum fills up with this nonsense? I personally think nipping this kind of crap in the bud is the right move.
His commentary was unconstructive and very misinformed (Nintendo is in enough hot water atm to even think about acquiring anyone) but I dont think banning him sends the right message. Youve already demolished most of his points, that should encourage him to be more thoughtful in the future. A ban would just make it seem to outsiders like any unwelcome opinions would lead to a ban, even if it werent true.
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His commentary was unconstructive and very misinformed (Nintendo is in enough hot water atm to even think about acquiring anyone) but I dont think banning him sends the right message. Youve already demolished most of his points, that should encourage him to be more thoughtful in the future. A ban would just make it seem to outsiders like any unwelcome opinions would lead to a ban, even if it werent true.
Fair assessment. Though I think there is plenty of room for dissenting voices... We have a few on the forum. Constructive criticism is welcome long as the poster makes a lick of sense, listen to others and proves to be reasonable. This guy, so far, has proven to be none of those...
I won't ban him, but if this topic continues the way it's going it'll be locked... The topic has moved so far from the initial post because every time he is proven wrong he moved the goal posts.
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Opinion.
You can keep stating it from now until the cows come home, it wont make it any more true...
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If there was ever any doubt you're just a ranging Nintendo fanboy here to spout some shit, there isn't anymore.
Please explain to me how the perma death in Fire Emblem is better thought out. Go into detail.
Everything else, about 'charm' is just a matter of opinion.
This is all YOUR OPINION, dickhead. You're on a SEGA forum of a SEGA fansite, amongst SEGA fans to tell us that Nintendo are better? You're like the Spanish Inquisition invading someone else's culture to save our souls by telling us what we enjoy is the wrong. Thanks for being a martyr bro, but I reckon we'll be fine.
You've made it pretty clear you're not here to discuss SEGA, you're here to preach your opinion like it's a fact and I'm getting pretty bored of you now...
Now taking votes on whether we should ban this guy?
For the record, personally, I find Nintendo are nothing short of embarrassing; Their consoles are third rate, their online service sucks, the VC is poorly handled, their line up is sparse, the Amiibos are paid DLC disguised as cheap plastic tat..., Their attitude towards Youtube streamers is gross, Oh and the new 3DS doesn't come with a fucking charger! I mean, how fucking sleazy can a company get?
They're lucky that they release a good game once in a blue moon because literally everything else they do is cheap, third rate, lazy or just plain sleazy.
Can you honestly call yourself a mod? Because a Mod would like have better things to do instead of making a mockery out of some Nintendo fan.
Also, you do realize that SEGA makes the most profit out of Nintendo products right? Like Atlus supporting the life out of the 3DS and Wii U?
You're comparing a first party to a third party? wow. I can really guarantee you that Nintendo would actually be fine without SEGA helping them in any way possible. If anything, SEGA wouldn't make so much of money if they didn't make games for Nintendo to begin with.
I think I'm done here. Its clear that most of you aren't open minded about the subject. When I said that they haven't released much games on PC exclusively, I'm talking about on windows only not something they did years ago.
You know what? I don't mind being banned because clearly you're not open minded. I said this many times ago but the only reason why SEGA isn't in bad shape is because of the buyouts they did.
You say fanboy behaviour is a problem? Then what about you guys ranting about Nintendo being horrible and cursing them and praising the hell out of SEGA? I get that this a SEGA forum but even Nintendolife is better than you. Atleast they don't rant a lot like you claiming that SEGA is better than Nintendo. I clearly said that Nintendo isn't going to satisfy everyone but they atleast deliver great games year after year.....which in SEGA is a mix bag.
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Sounds like you aren't even doing any research into the subject it seems. Just with this topic, you're turning this into some versus debate saying x franchises is poor compared to y franchise.
Seems you aren't well versed in the history of the 16 bit generation. For starters SEGA already overcame Nintendo in Europe with the Master System, the next challenge was America which although Sonic played a part wasn't the single reason they managed to get a foodhold in the US.
No you referenced a silly video that made the mistake of comparing SEGA's profits when it was the profits of the whole group. SEGA's gaming division has seen growth in the last three years, this is what you seem to not understand.
Projecting.
Chain Chronicle makes more money than every series SEGA owns.
Phantasy Star not being able to beat a series that does 4 million is not a bad thing.
Capcom being better than SEGA is subjective but I don't see why you feel the need to continually turn this into some versus topic, that's not good discussion, that's fanboyish behavior.
This is verging on inconsistent ramblings, I don't even get what your point is. I mean you excuse Nintendo's poor games because they published the games, not developed them, then lap up the blame on SEGA with titles like Sonic Boom?
You've talked about SEGA's profits going down (They haven't, SEGA Sammy has, but the gaming divisions has gone up) you've mentioned how SEGA hardly make glitch free games (Which you were proven wrong) dreamed about Nintendo acquiring them (outside the realms of possibility) and well absolve Nintendo of all blame.
Disagree as much as I disagree with his arguments. But I do feel if there isn't any solid base for discussion in this topic and turning into a cheap Nintendo vs SEGA thread full of subjective opinions then there's little point keeping it open but I'll leave it to George/Barry to decide that.
Sonic Boom is SEGA's fault because they didn't give the developers the time to make a finished game. Ok fine, Maybe I don't know SEGA in the big figure here but the fact of the matter is, if this keeps up, SEGA will lost audience.
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Literally not a single person here has ever said the words 'SEGA are better than Nintendo' but you sure as hell have said Nintendo is better than SEGA, more than once too. See that is your biggest problem... The entire basis of your argument hinges on the fact that you don't seem to understand that 'better' is a matter of personal opinion.
Both companies make a lot of stupid mistakes, both companies could improve vastly... But which is better is a matter of perspective. You're on a SEGA forum and you seem surprised that most people here are chewing you out for telling us Nintendo is better than SEGA...
And every time someone explains this to you, you move the goal posts... getting more and more desperate to make SEGA look bad with each post until you're saying things like 'Well Valkyria Chronicles has no charm.' Seemingly without even playing the bloody game! How low and petty are you willing to get mate?
Atleast they don't rant a lot like you claiming that SEGA is better than Nintendo. I clearly said that Nintendo isn't going to satisfy everyone but they atleast deliver great games year after year.....which in SEGA is a mix bag.
Haven't we already gone over this? Nintendo too are an incredibly mixed bag... I'm not going to go through them again but Nintendo have released a lot of really mediocre to poor games recently.
Also, you do realize that SEGA makes the most profit out of Nintendo products right? Like Atlus supporting the life out of the 3DS and Wii U?
Not according to their financial report... Do you know something SEGA themselves don't know?
When I said that they haven't released much games on PC exclusively, I'm talking about on windows only not something they did years ago.
So are we, SEGA are by far the biggest Japanese supporter of Steam, bar none... It doesn't even come close. That includes ports of older games, new games and PC exclusives.
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lol,
Brilliant appending of the title for this thread.
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Came here to let us know he wants SEGA to go bankrupt so Nintendo can buy them. A hilarious, poorly thought out pipe dream that could never happen
Well sure it's a wind up. Fact is NCL have more actual cash reserves than almost any gaming corp one could care to mention, that with out the share option. Not that they will mind you, but NCL could quite easily buy the whole of SEGA SAMMY out of its cash reserves alone .
Also you go on about NCL Tech and online . What amazing tech do SEGA Japan have to offer us then other than a update of Yakuza , PSO II running on a 4 year old engine and a focus on mobile (hardly tech to beat the Wii U) . What amazing Online games do SEGA offer us these days ? and more to the point what amazing SEGA games did have your bought this year ?.
I think in many ways both NCL and SEGA suffer the same issues, one or 2 magic games every couple of years, pissing off what's left of their fans, tons of outsourcing their IP, no new young member's of staff taking the lead, poor online focus and where it seems their better days are long behind them
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Well sure it's a wind up. Fact is NCL have more actual cash reserves than almost any gaming corp one could care to mention, that with out the share option. Not that they will mind you, but NCL could quite easily buy the whole of SEGA SAMMY out of its cash reserves alone .
Also you go on about NCL Tech and online . What amazing tech do SEGA Japan have to offer us then other than a update of Yakuza , PSO II running on a 4 year old engine and a focus on mobile (hardly tech to beat the Wii U) . What amazing Online games do SEGA offer us these days ? and more to the point what amazing SEGA games did have your bought this year ?.
I think in many ways both NCL and SEGA suffer the same issues, one or 2 magic games every couple of years, pissing off what's left of their fans, tons of outsourcing their IP, no new young member's of staff taking the lead, poor online focus and where it seems their better days are long behind them
Maybe Nintendo but definitely not SEGA. I mean besides Sonic, what IP's did they outsource recently? Shinobi 3D is a joke and its not done internally by SEGA. Yakuza....ok but still that's not saying much.
I honestly think that the stupid marketing things SEGA did in the 90's must have alienated these guys a LOT.
I will admit that Nintendo has flaws in them but those flaws are understandable because they are trying to make things as cheap as possible. We get few great games from them yes but that greatness beats the hell out of the value that SEGA should be able to get as well. Instead, SEGA for no reason whatsoever ignores releasing Phantasy Star Online 2 to the west, went back to making crappy Sonic games and continues to leave many of their IP's dormant.
Let's talk about this so called SEGA Sammy here. So what is it? a merge between SEGA and Sammy. What does Sammy do? making pachinko (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachinko)and pachislot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachislot) systems in Japan (And yes I put links in those two incase you don't know what the hell they are). And they even have networks that distribute that sort of things on PC and its only in Japan that they do this....how in the holy hell does that benefit western audiences? Nintendo has announced a Luigi's Mansion Arcade machine in Japan only....doesn't benefit the western market does it? The only good thing about them is that they published some Guilty Gear games and that's that.And let me ask you once more? What major releases have they announced by THEMSELVES?!?!? Fans are actually doing all the announcement for them....like War Pirates......only fans knew that and SEGA didn't even announce it.
Let's talk about the ridiculous milking that you claim that Nintendo is doing. They do it so what. It doesn't benefit you or anyone who don't want it but it certainly benefits those who want to play the endless amounts of sequels coming does it? Infact that's what the 650,000 units of Sonic Boom says it right? Those people wanted to play the game and many of them weren't happy with the outcome.No reason for Zelda's existence? Well then what's the reason for Yakuza's existence? Mario's milked to death? What about Sonic being milked to death? Infact Sonic is more milked than Mario because his games are released year after year with no thought whatsoever.Ohh....and let's argue about that little thing that you guys didn't like either. SEGA master system being powerful than the NES....oh what a bold move for SEGA to do.
Too bad the Big N had those illegal practices that happened.....except that when they announced the Genesis, they made the SNES a joke.....something which I don't understand why they couldn't do the same for the NES. Yuji Naka was the saving grace that SEGA had at the time. Many games were made because of that man. So even if the Genesis came out before Sonic, Sonic made gamers get the Genesis in the first place.And again like I said, I'm not saying that SEGA is worse than Nintendo. I think you misunderstood when I said that.
What I meant to say was that they need to maintain that level of quality that even the likes of Capcom has....which they aren't doing as of now. Quality as in making as many critically acclaimed games as possible and that they make profit on that and it is possible now since they are making games on Mobile and PC. I don't know if I'm happy with their mobile division considering how crappy Sonic Runners is, I can say that I'm fine with their PC ports (They haven't yet made any exclusive game on PC so ports don't count).
Next year is always the anticipated year that ever developer must face and if SEGA ignores E3 again, they will suffer badly and you will be sad because you guys love SEGA. Take that emotional anger out of you and just realize that they aren't what they used to be back then atleast for the western market alone.
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*sigh* Give it a rest would you?
You clearly don't know what your talking about.
If you want to get on you're knees for Nintendo, they'll gladly accept it, but the leave the rest of us alone.
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I played the european version of Super Paper Mario and I haven't encountered any glitches that would ruin the experience....you are missing out on a great game if you refuse to play the whole of it. Its story is still deep enough.
And yeah, I'd like some SEGA games recommendations as of now or previously.
It's not that I haven't played it, I played it and sadly it wasn't to the standard of the previous game (which I loved).
It depends on how you approach the game breaking bug, but it's to do with a Key on Chapter 5. If you do the events in the wrong order, the game locks you out of progressing. That sort of error should have been picked up by Nintendo of all people.
Regarding games, I would recommend Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram, as it is a blast to play with twin sticks!
I'd also recommend Resonance of Fate for the battle system (the story can be confusing), it's a shame that it was overlooked compared to Final Fantasy XIII but blame SEGA's release schedule.
OutRun 2 is also pretty good if you are into Driving games with an arcade twist. :)
Lastly, you should play Valkyria Chronicles as it does offer something different to Fire Emblem, and the perma death isn't nearly as bad (the only problem with it is if the enemies appear to deliberately run over your KO'd colleagues), which is more due to how the enemy moves than them deliberately trying to cause perma death.
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It's not that I haven't played it, I played it and sadly it wasn't to the standard of the previous game (which I loved).
It depends on how you approach the game breaking bug, but it's to do with a Key on Chapter 5. If you do the events in the wrong order, the game locks you out of progressing. That sort of error should have been picked up by Nintendo of all people.
Regarding games, I would recommend Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram, as it is a blast to play with twin sticks!
I'd also recommend Resonance of Fate for the battle system (the story can be confusing), it's a shame that it was overlooked compared to Final Fantasy XIII but blame SEGA's release schedule.
OutRun 2 is also pretty good if you are into Driving games with an arcade twist. :)
Lastly, you should play Valkyria Chronicles as it does offer something different to Fire Emblem, and the perma death isn't nearly as bad (the only problem with it is if the enemies appear to deliberately run over your KO'd colleagues), which is more due to how the enemy moves than them deliberately trying to cause perma death.
I already beated VC and I still like Fire Emblem better than that game.
Other than that, I'll try. And no, I've never encountered that glitch in chapter 5. Maybe you did something wrong there. Its possible to solve it.
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Nameless 24, don't waste your breath mate. He says he's played VC yet didn't have a clue about some of the games main features not 2 pages back. He isn't here for a reasonable discussion, he's a fanatic and can't be swayed by any sort of reason and of course it MUST be your fault you found a game breaking bug! I mean surely Nintendo never do anything wrong!!
Literally every single one of his barely coherent arguments have been easily disproven but he doesn't listen, he can't even fathom the concept that some people like things he doesn't. He's here to let you all know SEGA are shit and Nintendo are fantastic! Tell him anything to the contrary and he'll sticks his fingers in his ears and start waffling about IP's, finances, Fire Emblem and probably void his bowls.
This guys posts are the Wii Music of arguments- shallow, repetitive, rubbish (in midi format.)
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Also the topics locked, later Artwark, don't let the door waggle your arse on the way out.