SEGA hit by 73 people layoff, more focus on digital games

[MadeManG74]

Shenmue Played very much like Yakuza.

Kinda, but not really.
IMHO.

[Team Andromeda]

Shenmue Played very much like Yakuza.

Kinda, but not really.
IMHO.

It was very Similar, though imho Yakuza featured a better written story and  far  better script. There's not many games, that 100% play like Dead Rising, but the basic concept has been done before.
What I liked about Yakuza , was it brought RPG's into the Modern era, and instead of boring  point and click random battles , at least featured Real Time battles .

[Suzuki Yu]

Shenmue Played very much like Yakuza.

i am against this statement .

IMO both games plays totally different , not even close

[Team Andromeda]

There's very similar games right down to being able to play Arcade games, or QTE.

[George]

Technically GTA is like Yakuza, you play arcade games on both.

[Sega Uranus]

I was going to respond to TA on a number of things, but it is obvious to me he never played any of the Yakuza games, so why should I believe everything else he has said?

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[Sega Stylista]

You want this myth of so called Hard Core gaming, or a gamers machine, then buy a 360. That's the console seen a true gamers machine in Japan (why the like of Cave support it) That the reason why the 360 boats the highest console to game ratio . What's SEGA done on the platform ?, next to nothing when it comes to exclusives . Where's this fab and unmatched Art in the like of  Monkey Ball on the Wii, Yakuza on the PS3 , or Sonic on every platform ??

Are you serious?  Where is it?  How about why would it be there? Sega's output reflects the changes in the game market from last gen to now.  Why is Sega management going to okay sequels to Rez, Jet, Shenmue, or Panzer or any other artful out of the norm Sega game when none of those games sold?  None of those games were profitable. Monkey Ball, Yakuza, and Sonic are there because that is the only way for Sega to draw mainstream profits. The era of hardcore driven gaming is over.  Everything now is marketing to mainstream driven, that is why Sega is what it is and why all the gems fans have been clamoring for sequels for the past decade haven't been released.  When you accept that I'll congratulate you for catching up in understanding with what every Sega fan on a gaming message board clearly understood 10 years ago.

[Sharky]

Lets just make sure this debate doesnt turn into an argument... Just sayin'.
Keep it friendly.

[Team Andromeda]

I was going to respond to TA on a number of things, but it is obvious to me he never played any of the Yakuza games, so why should I believe everything else he has said?

Because I own the games . Hello Shenmue 1 and II , hello Yakuza 1 and II .

Monkey Ball, Yakuza, and Sonic are there because that is the only way for Sega to draw mainstream profits

They're not doing a very good Job. SEGA consumer Teams are still losing money.

The era of hardcore driven gaming is over. Everything now is marketing to mainstream driven,

What drivel . There still plenty of games, that can sell well and are not what one would call Mainstream . Nina Gaiden or Bayoneta show this , and what Demon Souls, Heavy Rain is mainstream gaming .
Please stop with this hardcore nonsense. There was plenty of SEGA Developed Dreamcast games that were has mainstream or jumping in the bandwagon as they come .

Why is Sega management going to okay sequels to Rez, Jet, Shenmue, or Panzer or any other artful out of the norm Sega game when none of those games sold

If I was asking for sequels for those games, you would have a point . You better tell  the good people on this board , there's no hope for a new Shenmue or Panzer
My Point is the old SEGA is dead, its now sold out to the casual games . the Artful, cuttting edge tech days are over . Thank you for proving my point, after all like you say its all about Mainstream :lol: .

Funny how the mainstream EA has taken far more risks this gen , and produced one of the Artful games in Mirror Edge.

[MadeManG74]

Brutal Legend is more Niche and hardcore than all the Yakuza games.

Discuss.

[Sega Uranus]

Brutal Legend is more Niche and hardcore than all the Yakuza games.

Discuss.

Jack Black is known by at LEAST 12 people , SEGA had no , hand in the Development of That product & , , ELECTRONICARTS ae not Always up to the real GLORIOUS NIPPON standards of Goodness so you are wrong, hench u r an inidite . now Quit this pisstake and lean to Play good games like IM1 by SL . IM II is not Very good but , worth a Purchase
IMHO .

[Sega Stylista]

Why is Sega management going to okay sequels to Rez, Jet, Shenmue, or Panzer or any other artful out of the norm Sega game when none of those games sold

If I was asking for sequels for those games, you would have a point . You better tell  the good people on this board , there's no hope for a new Shenmue or Panzer
My Point is the old SEGA is dead, its now sold out to the casual games . the Artful, cuttting edge tech days are over . Thank you for proving my point, after all like you say its all about Mainstream :lol: .

Uh, that is exactly my point?  Call it mainstream or casual, it's mass audience.  It sold out because it had to go where it could find profits. . . the market shifted on them.

Jet Grind got screwed cuz it was overshadowed by the fuckin PS2 launch.  Xbox launching the Halo generation screwed Orta, Future, and Shenmue II into obscurity and market irrelevancy.  This is reality that all the Sega fans on message boards observed and lamented 10 years ago.

Why did Sonic Unleashed have werehog? Cuz the fuckin marketing department put it there. That's mainstream marketing of games, that's not a design choice.  I really don't know what you and I disagree about? Is it that you blame the company and I blame the market?

Funny how the mainstream EA has taken far more risks this gen , and produced one of the Artful games in Mirror Edge.

It's not funny because it is only logical since they have more profits to take risks and commercial successful titles to offset the less successful ones.  And Mirrors Edge bomba, right?  My point proven again.

I actually think you and are close to agreeing if you would just make the connection that Sega management responded to changing market conditions as any company's management does.  Sega got left out of this fuckin contemporary mainstream game marketing equation.  Thank the two big KKKorporations for bring the damn industry to the unwashed masses, but don't worry because mainstream gaming, casual gaming, social gaming, all that bullshit is a fad in decline even if it lasted 10 years.

[MadeManG74]

but don't worry because mainstream gaming, casual gaming, social gaming, all that bullshit is a fad in decline even if it lasted 10 years.

Hardcore gaming is a fad. It was manufactured by big corporations to sell T-Shirts with controllers on them.

Not to mention that Jet Set Radio isn't even a real game, it's just a myth that's been spread through message boards. A game with rocket-skates? C'mon you didn't really fall for that did you?

[Happy Cat]

According to Linkedin SEGA America has 137 employees at the moment

http://www.linkedin.com/companies/391029

don't know how accurate that is though

http://www.linkedin.com/companies/165911

this one is SEGA Europe even though it just says SEGA...

says they have 380 employees.

[Sega Uranus]

Xbox launching the Halo generation screwed Orta, Future, and Shenmue II into obscurity and market irrelevancy.  This is reality that all the Sega fans on message boards observed and lamented 10 years ago.

Complete bullshit. If Halo did not exist, Panzer Dragoon Orta and Jet Set Radio Future would not have happened at all because the Xbox would have died almost instantly and SEGA would not have even bothered trying, and if they did they would have done significantly worse than they had because the market would have been so much smaller.

I think it is largely Microsoft's fault that Shenmue II was a failure, but that was only because they wanted the game to themselves, but I guess that does not explain it failing in regions like Japan. I guess they are just not hardcore enough over there.

Why did Sonic Unleashed have werehog? Cuz the fuckin marketing department put it there. That's mainstream marketing of games, that's not a design choice.  I really don't know what you and I disagree about? Is it that you blame the company and I blame the market?

More bullshit. Stop making up crap and assuming because you do not like something it must be because "The market forced it!". Sonic Team said they made the werehog because they liked the idea, the director was a big fan of games like God of War. SEGA America and Europe literally begged them to change it, but they refused, and look what happened!