Shining Hearts Extended trailer

[CrazyT]

I officialy(after seeing a clear view of gameplay) like absolutly nothing about the game.

Everything about this game is unoriginal, uninspired and generic. Even the gameplay.

[fluffymoochicken]

Battle Video
[youtube:3ran32dn]3-YKAhczgsg[/youtube:3ran32dn]

*watches as the pretty boy gives his hearts to the main hero...*

Wow. xD

But that makes no difference, the classic series all had a similar look and feel art wise... Nothing like these.

That's because Shining Force is extremely old, and its art style has long since been outdated.

I'm talking about the majority of the time...

But she does still strip naked, which means that she strips down to less than any girl in this game does.

So how about that the tight, form-fitting "leather" outfit that the developers themselves did zoom-in shots of and loved to ogle over? (See below) Sorry, but that's not quite a Puritanical outfit no matter how you try to spin it. =P You can't tell me that Bayonetta is never sexualized without being a complete liar.

Finally, I have no idea why you pretend to feel so strongly about this 'sex object' nonsense... It is extremely hypocritical when you link me pictures of furries hugging with their cocks out on MSN...

Because there is proof that this is how the developers viewed her. I mean, these guys clearly wanted to make a trashy game, and that's what they delivered.

Not that it should offend you or anything. You've all admitted that the game is self-aware to its gutter-brained antics and said that it has fun with them. Why should you get so worked up because I happen to point out something that you already knew?

It has nothing to do with the character designs in general and everything to do with them not suiting the series they are in... At all.

Oh, you mean that series that Tony Taka's already design work for multiple times already? Yeah, Tony Taka totally doesn't fit in with Tony Taka. =P

Don't get me wrong. I don't like a lot of his design that much either, but you're just way behind the times on this, man. You can go ahead and keep saying "Every Shining game must be a strategy RPG that has a late 80's/early 90's anime art style!" like a broken record, but for those of us who can accept change, the games don't necessarily have to automatically be terrible.

[Sharky]

That's because Shining Force is extremely old, and its art style has long since been outdated.

Says the guy that shit his pants when Namco announced that crappy Sonic rip off character klonoa was going to get a new design for the new age.

But she does still strip naked, which means that she strips down to less than any girl in this game does.

So how about that the tight, form-fitting "leather" outfit that the developers themselves did zoom-in shots of and loved to ogle over? (See below) Sorry, but that's not quite a Puritanical outfit no matter how you try to spin it. =P You can't tell me that Bayonetta is never sexualized without being a complete liar.

Of course she is... But in a comical way, not a seedy way like Dead or Alive vollyball.

Sure it's tight fitting, so? so is swim ware... doesnt stop anyone wearing it at the beach...

The bottom line, that you keep ignoreing is this... The character was deigned by a woman. You ask MOST girls, all the ones I know actually love the character as a 'strong woman' and something a big different from the damzel in distress.

Not that it should offend you or anything. You've all admitted that the game is self-aware to its gutter-brained antics and said that it has fun with them. Why should you get so worked up because I happen to point out something that you already knew?

Why does it bother you so much? You have a much bigger 'gutter-brian' then anyone on this entire forum. You never stop talking about your stupid sexuality nobody gives a shit about or sending me pictures of gay furries with their dicks out.

You are horribly hypocritical...

Oh, you mean that series that Tony Taka's already design work for multiple times already? Yeah, Tony Taka totally doesn't fit in with Tony Taka. =P

Oh look Fuzzy is being difficult, cute.

You can go ahead and keep saying "Every Shining game must be a strategy RPG that has a late 80's/early 90's anime art style!" like a broken record, but for those of us who can accept change, the games don't necessarily have to automatically be terrible.

When did I say it was automatically terrible? In fact my article on the frount page is pretty damn optimistical about this game.

I never once said they should all be SRPGs, but those WERE the games people gave a shit about and we haven't had a good one since they brought the series back...

[Sieghardt]

They dont need to be SRPGs, they need to be GOOD.
In case you didnt notice PSO never got the hate this shit does.

As for the completely retarded argument that the artstyle is outdated, that's just hilarious because Nintendo have had great success with the Golden Sun series which has the old staff, each game in that series has sold ten times more than any of these games. This is success that should be sega's.

[Autosaver]

You never stop talking about your stupid sexuality nobody gives a shit about or sending me pictures of gay furries with their dicks out.

Hey, can I have so-*

..

[fluffymoochicken]

Says the guy that shit his pants when Namco announced that crappy Sonic rip off character klonoa was going to get a new design for the new age.

That was an example of Westernization, actually.

Of course she is... But in a comical way, not a seedy way like Dead or Alive vollyball.

She's more like both ways.

The bottom line, that you keep ignoreing is this... The character was deigned by a woman.

So what? It's like commission work. Men are still the ones who wanted her to be that way. She got paid to do her job.

Not like it matters, though, since who drew her doesn't have anything to do with your hypocritical criticism of Shining Hearts.

When did I say it was automatically terrible? In fact my article on the frount page is pretty damn optimistical about this game.

I never once said they should all be SRPGs, but those WERE the games people gave a shit about and we haven't had a good one since they brought the series back...

"Optimistical" made me smile. xD

Those are just the general "stick in the mud" opinions I see around here time and again when talking about the Shining series. You all either complain about the fact that the artwork is actually modern, complain that a game isn't a strategy RPG, or both.

[Sega Uranus]

"Modern" and "Fucking sucks" are two very different things. Everyone outside of Sharky does not give a shit if it is an sRPG or not either, and I think some of the earlier titles in the series had poor art anyways. Not sure why you are arguing about this or Bayonetta when you literally have not played Bayonetta and only played one whole game in the Shining series, you just do not what you are talking about and are trying to be argumentative just because you can be.

[fluffymoochicken]

"Modern" and "Fucking sucks" are two very different things. ... I think some of the earlier titles in the series had poor art anyways.

EXA's artwork is much, much, much better than the art for the old Shining Force. Yep, I said it.

But hey, it seems that you believe that the old SF had "poor art", anyway.

Not sure why you are arguing about this or Bayonetta

Go back and read the first page. You'll find your answer there.

are trying to be argumentative just because you can be.

That's not true. Whenever Sharky is ready to give up, I'm more than willing to drop the subject as well. =)

[Sega Uranus]

"Modern" and "Fucking sucks" are two very different things. ... I think some of the earlier titles in the series had poor art anyways.

EXA's artwork is much, much, much better than the art for the old Shining Force. Yep, I said it.

But hey, it seems that you believe that the old SF had "poor art", anyway.

You are missing the point. It has little to do with the art, but more with the style. The first cluster of Shining games released were all taking place in the same world and therefore obviously had the same kind of settings and character types. The new design is much closer to something much more common like Final Fantasy now. It just lost a major feature that made it stand out to begin with, not to mention almost all of the new ones have nothing to do with one another, so being a fan is fairly hard now.

I think Shining Force EXA was actually easily the best of the newer games, but that does not really say much when it was just fixing basic issues games like Neo had. The story is still bland, and the characters are something out of any other similar game. It is just nothing to write home about.

That's not true. Whenever Sharky is ready to give up, I'm more than willing to drop the subject as well. =)

You want the last word in though, you always do. It is just going to get people rowdy, and you know that for a fact.

[youtube:zpq58eek]qKcf7wlREB0[/youtube:zpq58eek]

[Sharky]

That was an example of Westernization, actually.

Grasping at straws

She's more like both ways.

You haven't even played the game...

So what? It's like commission work. Men are still the ones who wanted her to be that way. She got paid to do her job.

She was the designer? The character was created by a woman...
I've yet to find a girl I know that hasn't found the character cool and empowering. It's only you making a fuss, if the character was a gay guy doing the same thing you would be all over this... Your entire 'disrespectful' argument fell apart when you started sending me sleazy pictures on MSN.

Not like it matters, though, since who drew her doesn't have anything to do with your hypocritical criticism of Shining Hearts.

Calling me hypocritical is the definition of pot calling the kettle black.

Not that I'm even being hypocritical... I have already told you that the reason I don't like the design of the characters in Shining Hearts is because it doesn't fit the series that I grew up on and loved.

Generally I find you have to be a bit of a fucking moron to ignore a great game because of its art style and usually it would not effect me. (Note I will buy a great game regardless of art style or characters personality.) But when you already establish a series with one art style, a very recognizable style and then you suddenly change it for one of the most cliché and boring art styles that seems like it could fit into any generic anime. That is when it becomes a problem.

I don't think you have many grounds to argue that case considering the stink you kicked up when they changed the design of that kolona rubbish.

Those are just the general "stick in the mud" opinions I see around here time and again when talking about the Shining series. You all either complain about the fact that the artwork is actually modern, complain that a game isn't a strategy RPG, or both.

I invite you to go to any Shining series fansites such as Shining Force Centreal and you'll be met with the same opinion.

So you are the only one singing out of tune? Surprise surprise... You who has only just got into this series that has been pretty run of the mill for a while now...

[fluffymoochicken]

The new design is much closer to something much more common like Final Fantasy now.

Um... if you think the newer SF games look anything like Final Fantasy XIII, you should see an optometrist IMMEDIATELY. :|

You want the last word in though, you always do.

And so does Sharky, I'm sure.

Grasping at straws

Nope, more like apples and oranges.

She was the designer?

More like, was she the game designer? That's the key element, here.

Calling me hypocritical is the definition of pot calling the kettle black.

Not exactly. You just have facts that are irrelevant to the issue mixed up with facts that are.

For instance, you'd say, "You look at furry porn!" as an argument, even though it is entirely irrelevant to the issue. I'm not condemning you for enjoying to look at other people in a sexual manner. If I were, then yes, I would be a hypocrite.

Side question: What if Bayonetta had been released during your childhood as an action platformer with a more modest looking woman and visual style, and this recent game was like a relaunch of the series? Would you hate the "new" Bayonetta game for its title character being replaced with a woman in a "slutty" outfit? Or would you still love the game just as much as you do now?

Generally I find you have to be a bit of a fucking moron to ignore a great game because of its art style

It's that, combined with the type of gameplay that it has (DMC clone = do not want), the (supposedly) convoluted plot, and just the sheer juvenile immaturity of what I've seen of it in previews and reviews before.

It never managed to make itself appealing to me in any fashion whatsoever.

I invite you to go to any Shining series fansites such as Shining Force Centreal and you'll be met with the same opinion.

That's okay, I'd imagine going to one of those sites with my opinions would be like visiting a retirement home while carrying around a modern cell phone in plain sight.

Boy, would I ever get a lecture about what was right "back in the day"...

[Sieghardt]

That's okay, I'd imagine going to one of those sites with my opinions would be like visiting a retirement home while carrying around a modern cell phone in plain sight.

Since I run one of "those sites" may I say a very sincere fuck you. If you want to make the childish argument that people are stuck in the past then you really are grasping at straws. Everyone enjoyed Valkyria, will be buying Golden Sun DS and is looking forward to PSO2
so that's:
-a completely different sega SRPG by a different team with a different artstyle that's very modern in gameplay ideas
-a completely different style of RPG from the old developers
-a game that completely changed from what the old games were about but is still good

so really, go ahead and try  to make your bullshit ad hominem argument about the fanbase

[fluffymoochicken]

so really, go ahead and try to make your bullshit ad hominem argument about the fanbase

...why didn't you just explain that the members weren't the grizzly ol' veterans I was imagining them to be without having to lose your head over it? I seriously thought that what Sharky said was true.

I'm sorry for the jesting generalization. I didn't know anyone would get so crazy offended over it. x_x

[Sieghardt]

These ARE the same old grizzled veterans though, you're the one who projected the idea that we're not open to change, we are, we're just not open to shit.

An RPG needs at least one of these to be anyway good:
Good story
Good characters
Good gameplay
There games have none of the above, they're sold off the back of "sexy" characters drawn by a hentai artist so much so that the games are basically an afterthought and all they want is to sell models of the girls you can strip the clothes off in anime shops. They've veered down this path so strongly that they've stripped the games of all "furry" characters because they might offend the boners of the otaku.

Honestly I find it bizarre that'd you're arguing FOR a series that had furry and gay characters removing them and pandering to moe girl casts :p

[fluffymoochicken]

These ARE the same old grizzled veterans though, you're the one who projected the idea that we're not open to change, we are, we're just not open to shit.

I sure hope that the others can handle a joke better, at least. xP

Honestly I find it bizarre that'd you're arguing FOR a series that had furry and gay characters removing them and pandering to moe girl casts :p

I'm actually not arguing for it at all. I've already said that I don't care for Taka's designs all that much, and I'd prefer ones by pako.

I'm just puzzled why Sharky is so bothered by these girls but has no problem with Bayonetta or, for a better example that I should have used before, hostess clubs and hostess dating in Yakuza. It has nothing to do with me defending the game so much as it is a personal curiosity.