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Gaming => General Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: ROJM on November 05, 2014, 10:17:40 am
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This is based on console sales that include all the systems up to 2002.
If you look at the Genesis table and the SNES table you see an alarming story
The Genesis was outselling the SNES from 94 to 96..97 was when Sega stopped supporting the system officially. Nintendo never WON the console war in the states or worldwide. 96-97 was when the PSX was shooting off..by 97..the market didn't matter. So we have to look at when it did matter..89-96. And the table which CANNOT be refuted speaks for it self. And its a more up to date table too.
So i don't wanna hear this BS about The genesis reaching its peak or that it didn't do well..or that the MCD bombed or any other crap. Sega products was selling strong at this time. Very strong. That's why SOJ was pissed off at America because they couldn't achieve what SOA did. And never will in my opinion. Nintendo only won because of two things. They were still pushing the system and Japan. But its like saying you won a race because Usain Bolt decided to stop and tie his shoe lace near the end of the race. In the years where the war really mattered, Sega dumped on SNES from a great height and OWNED their asses and was beating them on a regular basis.
What does this mean? Oh this means any game that Sega released that they were pushing..SHINOBI STREETS OF RAGE...SONIC..EC was more than likely in the majority of american households and more than likely was not only building a reputation but becoming familiar to the public. And guess what..according to TA and SOJ these games didn't matter and weren't important to Saturn..well guess what guys...The Saturn crashed and burned..From one year when Sega was killing it in sales for Genesis to another year where Genesis was still killing it but the Saturn wasn't. And then the decline begins. Right after Kalinske left.
If the Saturn had SONIC..VECTOR MAN...A proper SONIC and SHINOBI game..and other genesis franchises from the beginning..the Saturn would have made a bigger splash than it did.
So the myth that Nintendo won the war is just that..a myth. The evidence on the genesis sales gives you understanding why i said that the Saturn needed Genesis franchises to continue on that system for that System to make any impact in the states. The evidence clearly states that SOA was doing the job SOJ couldn't. And it shows the almost criminal negligence of SOJ destroying SOA to try and prove a fucking point that they eventually lost but nearly dragging the whole company with it.
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LOL 16 bit sales were in decline both in Hardware and software sales that is a fact, even the Sonic on the Mega Drive was seeing sales slip (despite a massive userbase) And there's only one reason why Nintendo keep with the Snes longer than the SEGA did with the Mega Drive and that's the fact that N64 chipset was delayed by over 2 years , so Nintendo had no choice but to stick with the Snes, and what happend as soon as the N64 made it out, Nintendo dropped all In-House support for the system and focused only on the N64 (well bar one Snes Baseball game by RARE )
Even your own link sales for both the Mega Drive and Snes show sales slowing in the mid 90's and also show that they was indeed a market for 32 bit system and why SONY never looked back .
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THANK YOU. I've been saying this for YEARS!
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LOL 16 bit sales were in decline both in Hardware and software sales that is a fact, even the Sonic on the Mega Drive was seeing sales slip (despite a massive userbase) And there's only one reason why Nintendo keep with the Snes longer than the SEGA did with the Mega Drive and that's the fact that N64 chipset was delayed by over 2 years , so Nintendo had no choice but to stick with the Snes, and what happend as soon as the N64 made it out, Nintendo dropped all In-House support for the system and focused only on the N64 (well bar one Snes Baseball game by RARE )
Even your own link sales for both the Mega Drive and Snes show sales slowing in the mid 90's and also show that they was indeed a market for 32 bit system and why SONY never looked back .
LOL the spinner SPINS once again. This chart clearly SHOWS that Sega had the majority of the market. And SOJ THREW it away. So that makes you look like a fool yet again.
And let's not forget you said their sales peaked in 92 93...this chart shows it didn't. So you are wrong again.
Go home kid..you lost on this one.
But i'm sure the Walter Mitty in you will make up sone new lie and fantasy....
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This chart clearly SHOWS that Sega had the majority of the market
Never said otherwise for the USA , but that charts shows that even in the USA Mega Drive sales were dipping in 1994.
[/size][size=78%]And let's not forget you said their sales peaked in 92 93[/size]
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Sigh do you even look at the charts you produce ? Have a look and see when the best sales of the Mega Drive was . If the market was so strong why did Sonic III and S&K see a major dip in sales, why did the likes of Comix Zone, The Ooze, Vectarman II and host of latter MD games from SEGA see rubbish sales even in America . In th end people were bored of the 16 bit and ready to move on and the only reason Nintendo stuff with the Snes (overlooking it came out 2 years latter than the MD) is because both the Hardware and the Software for the N64 were delayed and delayed.
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Can we just get you two your own forum to bicker in?
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Saying nothing that matters anymore
I got an idea..why don't you back up what you are saying...
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In American football, there's a phenomenon known as "garbage time." If one team has decisively beaten the other, but there's still a fair amount of time left in the game, the winning team usually rests most of their starters and lets the back-ups play against the losing team in the remaining "garbage time." The losing team is then able to score some points, and often racks up some statistics that look impressive on paper if you hadn't actually watched the game and seen how thoroughly they were beaten.
That's basically what happened with the SNES. It didn't surpass the sales of the Gen/MD until it didn't matter anymore, when the entire industry was moving on into the next generation. When 16-bit was relevant, Sega beat Nintendo decisively.
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Give this man a Kudos..This Kudos from me..and a few others..bud.
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Kudos. Post of the Year. Most Valuable Post. Etc.
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Same for you CD for keeping the faith all these years..and not beliving the hype...SEGA!
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And people think that Sega would have gotten annilated by Sony. No Sega was in a very strong position to take on Sony head on if they had managed things better. If they had made Saturn versions of these games...
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This is the DC game that never came out but you get the point...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYKR7MW0WPk&safe=active (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYKR7MW0WPk&safe=active)
If Sega had these familar names from a console that DOMINATED the console war on Saturn..there was no way Sony would have gotten to the level that they did when they blastered the competition. That's the REAL reason why the N64 and Nintendo couldn't compete. They were weak because Sega took them to school over an eight year period. They were in no condition to take on another strong competitor again after the worldwide beating they took., so they were happy with the postition they got with the N64..even though technically it was a failure market wise. And this is when the Gameboy started its role as the only thing bailing them out. A role it repeated in the succesive console battles to come from the PS2/XBX GC until the Wii came out. Sega was too busy infighting among themselves that they didn't realise the competition that was to emerge...and Sony just slipped in and took over. And they lost everything thanks to SOJ's insane obsession to drive what was left of Kalinske's SOA into the ground...
If Sega had the sense and carried on their genesis franchises on the Saturn..the audience they built up on Genesis would have followed the games to the Saturn....and combined with the gems that SOJ ported or created for Saturn...they would have had more than enough to take Sony on toe to toe.
All Sega needed was the hype man...and we all know they weree good in that. That's if everyone in Sega was on the same page..but of course they weren't and this is how things ended up...
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I agree with ROJM, growing up with a Sega Genesis and being extremely hooked on everything Sonic related. There was no incentive for me to buy a Saturn when it was released. To be honest, i knew about the Playstation and N64 before i even knew wtf a Sega Saturn was. I knew one kid on the block that had one along with a copy of Panzer Dragoon, but everyone else had a Playstation.
In terms of what Sega was offering on that platform, there was nothing all that compelling. I managed to pick up a Saturn for $30 at a Funcoland in like 01, long after it was already dead..
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KUDOS to you Pirovash...
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Sega leagcy games...
Let's look at the hyprocrisy of SOJ..
The Master System..never a hit or even had a presence in the united states. But that didn't stop SOJ making sure their big Master System games had Megadrive sequels or versions or that it was released in America...
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And that's not including the sequels to AFTERBURNER and SPACE HARRIER which also made it to the Megadrive/Genesis. So let's get one thing straight...The Master System which sold like shit in Japan and the states..managed to not only see its Sega leagcy titles get Megadrive sequels...but in the case of PHANTASY STAR a megadrive port too!
Then nine years later..The Genesis which dominated the American market..which dominated Hong Kong and asia apart from Japan. Which dominated UK and Europe. Which dominated Brazil(after Master System)..Whose games that was big sellers on that system..SOJ decides..out of the F'ng Blue not to put ANY of their big Genesis games onto the Saturn? Including Sonic?
Now is that logical? What was the reasoning behind that? Oh i'm tired? And SOJ were such good bosses that they said..never mind Naka were willing to lose money out of the hottest thing you didn't create..you do what you want and we sit by losing the world market outside of japan because you cn't be bothered.
Or..those gaijin basterds have made us look like fools. They have done what we couldn't even do. But we shall show them who is the boss. We will prove to them and the industry that what SOA can do ..we can do better..The saturn will be bigger than Genesis..why? Because were japanese and were SOJ..
No more excuses of this era..i showed you guys the evidence. There is no doubt..who won the console war..where sega was..and how popular they were..
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No idea what you're on about MM but this is a serious topic. Leave the fun and frolics in another topic please. I respected you're wish in that Bayonetta thread you did so please do the same for mine...
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There was Shinobi X tho..
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If Sega had these familar names from a console that DOMINATED the console war on Saturn..there was no way Sony would have gotten to the level that they did when they blastered the competition. That's the REAL reason why the N64 and Nintendo couldn't compete
Like with the DC you mean ? It had the SEGA familiar names and guess what the PS2 goes on to totally destroy the DC and in America the N64 did very, very well . It was in Europe and Japan where the system had a hard time . SONY had too much 3rd party support and it had no bad habits . So I really doubt SEGA would have won the war, but a SEGA focused only on the Saturn could have been a very strong number 2 worldwide .
And that's not including the sequels to AFTERBURNER and SPACE HARRIER which also made it to the Megadrive/Genesis. So let's get one thing straight...The Master System which sold like shit in Japan and the states..managed to not only see its Sega leagcy titles get Megadrive sequels...but in the case of PHANTASY STAR a megadrive port too!
You need to bare a few things in mind .. 1) Master System games took months to make and needed small teams to make them. 2) Sometimes the teams will push and want to make a sequel, while on the other hand they might want to make a brand new game or try something else.
Saturn did have a few sequels to fan fav IP like Shining Force , Story Of Thor , Land Stalker, Shinobi, But I for one were glad to see the Teams also able to try new stuff thanks to that we got some of the best games ever in the shape Panzer Dragoon series, NiGHTS, Burning Rangers and so on
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There was Shinobi X tho..
That's not a proper SHINOBI game. That's why i said proper in my initial quote.
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Like with the DC you mean ? It had the SEGA familiar names and guess what the
PS2 goes on to totally destroy the DC and in America the N64 did very, very well
. It was in Europe and Japan where the system had a hard time . SONY had too
much 3rd party support and it had no bad habits . So I really doubt SEGA would
have won the war, but a SEGA focused only on the Saturn could have been a very
strong number 2 worldwide .
Yawn after the whole thing changed by the time the DC came out.Yet again using two different eras...especially when NO Sega game from that period became a steller franchise. Sega had to re introduce themselves from the get go as a third party. And amusing you backtracked on the Saturn being number 2...Which basically means you agree that if those titles HAD appeared on the Genesis intially combined with SOJ..and the marketing machine was intact..IE Kalinske still being on board..The Saturn would have gone toe to toe...and not a number two.
You need to bare a few things in mind .. 1) Master System games took months to
make and needed small teams to make them. 2) Sometimes the teams will push and
want to make a sequel, while on the other hand they might want to make a brand
new game or try something else.
Were talking about the transition to MD. Sega made sure the best selling games from the MS appeared on the MD ..when the MS had no market presence in TWO of the biggest game markets. Genesis didn't have that problem...yet the majority of the known games didn't appear..you see as i expected no real answers just excuses excuses and more poor excuses.
Saturn did have a few sequels to fan fav IP like Shining Force , Story Of
Thor , Land Stalker, Shinobi, But I for one were glad to see the Teams also able
to try new stuff thanks to that we got some of the best games ever in the shape
Panzer Dragoon series, NiGHTS, Burning Rangers and so on
No one said they shouldn't have made new games..what they should have done was make the popular games for Saturn intially to guarantee sales..None of those titles you mentioned apart from SHINOBI which isn't even a proper SHINOBI game were familiar to the wider userbase that sega built or should i say games they cared about. People wanted SOR..people wanted SONIC a proper version of that game on Saturn. Not titles that fitted the SOJ regime....
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.especially when NO Sega game from that period became a steller franchise. Sega had to re introduce themselves from the get go as a third party.
?. SEGA's 2k sports series did for starters . Microsoft dropped not only many of its old fan fav IP but in a lost of cases also closed down the studio's with the move from XBox to the 360 . Sony it's self do the same too and quite a lot of popular PS and PS2 are no more on the PS3 or the PS4 . It happens
Sega made sure the best selling games from the MS appeared on the MD
Well for starters the likes of Revenge of Shinobi were not amazing sellers and Space Harrier II sold pretty rubbish and I really doubt anyone bought a Mega Drive for the likes of Space Harrier II . But back in the 16 and 8 bit days games didn't need to sell in massive numbers to get a sequel due to development times and budgets
No one said they shouldn't have made new games..what they should have done was make the popular games for Saturn intially to guarantee sales.
No one knows if a game is going to be massive or not - its a risk one takes . Sonic was a screw up , but the other's I doubt it would have much bearing really .
I doubt they would gave sold in huge numbers , But I was pissed off that we never saw a Saturn Streets Of Rage and a Saturn Mickey Mouse games both which to have made use of the Saturn's 2D might back in the day or that we didn't see sequels to Kensiden or Master of Darkness either on the MD or Saturn . It happens now again as the Teams want to move on and try new things , more so with the Saturn and switch to 3D
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?. SEGA's 2k sports series did for starters . Microsoft dropped not only many of its old fan fav IP but in a lost of cases also closed down the studio's with the move from XBox to the 360 . Sony it's self do the same too and quite a lot of popular PS and PS2 are no more on the PS3 or the PS4 . It happens
Not in the way that it happened with Saturn..none of those games on Genesis had the chance to continue. Again you are comparing apples and oranges..
Well for starters the likes of Revenge of Shinobi were not amazing sellers and Space Harrier II sold pretty rubbish and I really doubt anyone bought a Mega Drive for the likes of Space Harrier II . But back in the 16 and 8 bit days games didn't need to sell in massive numbers to get a sequel due to development times and budgets
Yawn. Again they were sequels to games that sold WELL on the Master system...you are clearly desperate and grasping at straws to excuse the inexcusable.
No one knows if a game is going to be massive or not - its a risk one takes . Sonic was a screw up , but the other's I doubt it would have much bearing really .
Absolute rubbish. The titles on the Genesis would have been an incentive for people to move towards the Saturn since they were popular at the time. But when it was clear that these titles weren't coming no one bothered and went to PSX or somewhere else instead.
I doubt they would gave sold in huge numbers , But I was pissed off that we never saw a Saturn Streets Of Rage and a Saturn Mickey Mouse games both which to have made use of the Saturn's 2D might back in the day or that we didn't see sequels to Kensiden or Master of Darkness either on the MD or Saturn . It happens now again as the Teams want to move on and try new things , more so with the Saturn and switch to 3D
Keep banging the same old drum TA it won't wash. Were not talking fan favourite games here we are talking about titles that sold well on genesis and was identified with Sega, SOR, TJAND EARL, ECCO, SONIC, EC and Sega's DISNEY titles were all strong title sellers. Yet none of those titles continued with Saturn. So keep comparing games like KENSEIDEN and MASTER OF DARKNESS which were solid games but weren't impactful titles on that system like the ones that Sega made sure got sequels on the MD.
And its plain to see in any case...MS franchise titles got MD Sequels. SOJ MD franchise titles got sequels on the Saturn. SOJ SATURN franchise games got sequels on DC..yet Genesis franchise games specifically the SOA ones were missed out for an entire console generation. And when they were desperate to rectify that mistake by bringing them back to DC it was far too late..
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Not in the way that it happened with Saturn.
Other than Sonic you'll find it did...
Quite a lot of XBox and MS fans loved the likes of Mech Assault, Midtown Madness, Rallisport games series and they were all dropped by MS on the move to 360 . Quite a lot of XBox fans liked the PGR, Apmed game series and now MS have dropped those series too with the XBox One . SONY well even they do the same they were quite a lot of Wipeout fans (it was the game that sold the system in Europe after all) that's dropped for the PS4, lots of PS fans that liked the likes of Colony Wars, G-Police, Medievil and they were all dropped with the PS4, doesn't look like the PS4 is going to get a update to Ape Escape, Motorstorm,This Is Football does it ? .
So no sorry all the corps drop IP and like to do new things .
Again they were sequels to games that sold WELL on the Master system.
Super Shinobi sold like crap in Japan and had a mega limited run . It did better in the west, but it was never close to selling a million copies and it didn't have too since it was a MD game.
Keep banging the same old drum TA it won't wash. Were not talking fan favourite games here we are talking about titles that sold well on genesis and was identified with Sega, SOR, TJAND EARL, ECCO, SONIC, EC and Sega's DISNEY titles
Sonic was a proven seller but even Sonic games were selling a dip in sales . Ecco II never sold as well as the 1st game , SOR III despite being better in every way (bar the music) also didn't see sales anywhere near that on Part II , same went for the last Mickey mouse last game .
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Other than Sonic you'll find it did...
Quite a lot
of XBox and MS fans loved the likes of Mech Assault, Midtown Madness, Rallisport
games series and they were all dropped by MS on the move to 360 . Quite a
lot of XBox fans liked the PGR, Apmed game series and now MS have dropped
those series too with the XBox One . SONY well even they do the same they
were quite a lot of Wipeout fans (it was the game that sold the system in Europe
after all) that's dropped for the PS4, lots of PS fans that liked the likes of
Colony Wars, G-Police, Medievil and they were all dropped with the PS4,
doesn't look like the PS4 is going to get a update to Ape Escape,
Motorstorm,This Is Football does it ? .
Again those aren't their succesful franchises. Again this is a typical response from you deflecting the issue to cause another pointless debate.
You were proven wrong about the console war years where Sega won that battle and the fact they were outselling Nintendo by a large margin..you then try to start another one about Europe but was slammed down by thre other people. Now you try to deflect it by saying all corps do the same thing by dropping games. No Microsoft and Sony rely mostly on third party support with their first systems. They only really started to get going with first party support with the 360 and PS2 respectivly. And they don't drop their biggest sellers.
Project Gotham is a sad excuse since that was down to the developer being brought up by Activision. Hardly the same situation. And bringing up a bunch of no name titles that didn't mean a thing back then doesn't detractt he fact that a company like Sega who never had any success on the consumer front until Genesis would go on to drop all the best selling games that their fan base was familiar with when they moved onto their next system.
We all know why SOJ stopped any genesis title that was associated with SOA to go on Saturn. Including SONIC..which the bore the heaviest cost. And the result is the leagcy.
The Saturn is a joke to many gamers and historians. The Genesis is veiwed as the most important games machine in the nineties..because of the feats it acheived. and THAT'S all thanks to SOA.
Funny how the SOJ MD games never got dropped and continued onto Saturn. Games that no one gave a fig about..even the Japanese. But hey you probably have an excuse for that as well.
TA:Well SUPER TEMPO outsold ECCO and EC combined on the 32x so it deserved a Saturn version"
You really are a SOJ loudpeice...and a poor one in that....
So no sorry all the corps drop IP and like to do new things .
No they don't.And not like how SOJ dropped everything that sold strong on the Genesis. But of course SOJ back then could do no wrong..in you're eyes...too bad VF is still a niche title like it was on Saturn in America...EC and the other Genesis franchises could have helped turn that tide...
Super Shinobi sold like blah blah blah telling my proganda cos i won't be
albe to prove anything i say as usual so i just repeat repeat repeat until it
sticks...
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Again those aren't their succesful franchises.
You're having a right laugh if you think the likes of Wipeout, Amped, Midtown Madness wasn't successful . Lots of XBox fans really loved the Rallisport series too, PGR but developers/publishers like to move on and do different things and so IP gets dropped for new IP. There's plenty of million plus selling IP on the PS alone that SONY dropped games like Jet Moto, Syphon Filter, Arc and so on it goes.
So its not just SEGA, but MS and SONY do it too .
You were proven wrong about the console war years where Sega won that battle and the fact they were outselling Nintendo by a large margin
. It's fact that the Super Nintendo outsold the Mega Drive, that the NES outsold the Master System only you could even try and make out otherwise. What ever way you want to cut it, Nintendo had the biggest worldwide Market share over SEGA in the 8 bit and 16 bit days.
No Microsoft and Sony rely mostly on third party support with their first systems.
Sony did MS made the mistake of selling off and closing down most of its In-House studio's in the 360 era .Glad that MS knows that was a mistake that it not make again. Having strong 3rd party support at the get go is what helps one console at the start.
We all know why SOJ stopped any genesis title that was associated with SOA to go on Saturn
Other than EC , SEGA Japan let Sega America make the games they saw fit . You know I highly doubt SOJ put a order in for SOA to make Bug 1 and II make the likes of Three Dirt Dwarf's never mind the shit fest that was the likes of Congo, Mr Bones, Ghen War and the like.
Funny how the SOJ MD games never got dropped and continued onto Saturn.
Sega Japan made the likes of Mickey Mouse series that was dropped , so was Ristar so was 'Wonderboy', Phantasy Star , so was Rambo , So was Streets Of Rage, So was Alex Kidd and there's plenty more and if one looks at the DC, one would see SEGA do just the same to Saturn IP . No more Panzer, Shining Force, Burning Rangers, NiGHTS, Fighters Mega Mix, Dragon Force , Deep Fear and so on it goes .
SEGA liked to move on and in a lot of cases so did the developers
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The funny thing about this is there is gonna be a movie from Sega perspective which is going to be exposed this era to the mainstream audience (if Kalinske is going to be portrayed by a good actor, will be a double win)
It's not gonna be 100% accurate but is better than nothing.
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You're having a right laugh if you think the likes of Wipeout, Amped, Midtown Madness wasn't successful . Lots of XBox fans really loved the Rallisport series too, PGR but developers/publishers like
to move on and do different things and so IP gets dropped for new IP. There's
plenty of million plus selling IP on the PS alone that SONY dropped games like
Jet Moto, Syphon Filter, Arc and so on it goes.
Not really Wipeout wasn't a first party game to start with..or did you forget the Saturn version.... And again you keep comparing apples and oranges. You don't drop a whole slate of games when thoese games are crucial to get you started in the next market. But keep on excusing the inexcusable.
So its not just SEGA, but MS and SONY do it too .
No its just like SOJ who hated SOA which is why they dismantled a succesful studio dev base that SOA created.
. It's fact that the Super Nintendo outsold the Mega Drive, that the NES outsold
the Master System only you could even try and make out otherwise. What ever way
you want to cut it, Nintendo had the biggest worldwide Market share over SEGA in
the 8 bit and 16 bit days.
No TA. The documentation is there for all to see the MD outsold the SNES. But i'm not suprised you would say that really...Someone living in famtasy land will always deny the truth...
Sony did MS
made the mistake of selling off and closing down most of its In-House studio's
in the 360 era .Glad that MS knows that was a mistake that it not make again.
Having strong 3rd party support at the get go is what helps one console at the
start.
Market pressures due to the credit crunch..everyone was doing that even Sega. But in 1995 there was NO market pressure to close SOA down to size. So try again...
Other than EC , SEGA Japan let Sega America make the games they saw fit .
You know I highly doubt SOJ put a order in for SOA to make Bug 1 and II make the
likes of Three Dirt Dwarf's never mind the shit fest that was the likes of
Congo, Mr Bones, Ghen War and the like.
Those games were by Segasoft. Hardly the same thing. SOA titles approved by Kalinske were never continued.
Sega Japan made the likes of Mickey Mouse series that was dropped , so was
Ristar so was 'Wonderboy', Phantasy Star , so was Rambo , So was Streets Of
Rage, So was Alex Kidd and there's plenty more and if one looks at the DC, one
would see SEGA do just the same to Saturn IP . No more Panzer, Shining
Force, Burning Rangers, NiGHTS, Fighters Mega Mix, Dragon Force , Deep Fear and
so on it goes .
Rambo and Mickey Mouse was licenses and Sega didn't have them. WONDERBOY had three games on the Megadrive continuing from the Master System so it had its run. As did ALEX KIDD. The majority of genesis games and the ones from SOA however didn't get a next gen move on with Saturn. Only a few did and they weren't games that people were clamouring for or the wider audience wanted in the states.
SEGA liked to move on and in a lot of cases so did the developers
Sega likes to move on by continuing a franchise as well. With every system there's evidence of that. Not ignore a whole bunch like SOJ did with the best selling games from Genesis never getting a saturn game. Dude stop spinning you're crap. its tedious....
The funny thing about this is there is gonna be a movie from Sega perspective which is going to be exposed this era to the mainstream audience (if Kalinske is going to be portrayed by a good actor, will be a double win)
It's not gonna be 100% accurate but is better than nothing.
I know..TA will more likely troll when that comes out. For years he tried to call the guy a liar for the stuff he said..when the book came out with over 200 statements backing Kalinske up...it proved beyond a doubt that Kalinske wasn't lying. Its just silly people like TA who thinks he knows more about games and the games industy than anyone else..including the people who bloody work in the industy.
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Not really Wipeout wasn't a first party game to start with
No SONY just bought Psygnosis in 1993 ::) and it's not like Novatrade was a 1st Party developer either . Sometime games can appear on rival systems , or do you forget how SEGA IP like OutRun, AfterBurner II, Altered Beast, Shinobi Ect also came out on the PC-Eng
You don't drop a whole slate of games when tthosegames are crucial to get you started in the next market. But keep on excusing the inexcusable.
Well SONY and MS do . Remember how SONY and its best chum Namco used to use Ridge Racer to lauch the new consoles, those days are long gone now .
No its just like SOJ who hated SOA which is why they dismantled a succesful studio dev base that SOA created.
If you're on about STI - Then that was SEGA America and again SEGA America messed up and closed down the Multi Media studio too .
No TA. The documentation is there for all to see the MD outsold the SNES
Yeah Worldwide sales the Snes comes out on top by some 10 million units , its not even close .
Market pressures due to the credit crunch.
LOL, What the hell are you on about . The Credit crunch happened in 2008 . MS closed down most of its In-House studio's long before then with it closing down Fasa, Digital Anval, Indi Built.
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Rambo and Mickey Mouse was licenses and Sega didn't have them
And yet you say you wanted Mickey Mouse to be on the Saturn . SEGA could have least got the Rambo rights if it really wanted them .
WONDERBOY had three games on the Megadrive continuing from the Master System so it had its run
Lol and what Sonic didn't . 4 main Mega Drive games, 1 Mega CD game and a few spins off and games on both the GameGear and Master System .
Sega likes to move on by continuing a franchise as well
SEGA Enterprises' had' a history of moving on to new stuff and letting its developers make new IP , Not just Mega Drive IP, but also Saturn IP .
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got nothing intresting or valid to say..spam spam spam spam spam and no back up ...
You lost. Its proven that Sega won the console war. End of discussion.
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You lost. Its proven that Sega won the console war. End of discussion.
Are there any 'real' winners in a war, ROJM?
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Are there any 'real' winners in a war, ROJM?
In this war there was.
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You lost.
Is that code we forgot that Sony bought Psygnosis in 1993, that Sony and MS drop loads of fan fav IP and IP that once sold well and the simple fact that Nintendo sold more hardware than SEGA in any era you care to mention ? .
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Is that code we forgot that Sony bought Psygnosis in 1993, that Sony and MS drop loads of fan fav IP and IP that once sold well and the simple fact that Nintendo sold more hardware than SEGA in any era you care to mention ? .
No not really. Psygnosis wasn't beholden to Sony until very late in the game. You would know that if you actually READ the terms of their sale purchase..so bringing SEGA into it hardly proves anything. The point is you are just detracting from the main argument as usual in order to gain a victory on something you have already lost and i can't be bothered to continue arguing something that is removed from the original point.
The end of the day you lost this debate. Sega beat Nintendo in eight consecutive years. Saying that they didn't won't change that or the documented evidence that as usual i supplied. Which is another example of you ignoring evidence when presented to you just like the EC sheet.
So you lost is code for YOU LOST..yet again..
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Psygnosis wasn't beholden to Sony until very late in the game
They were complete bought out in 1993 by SONY long before Wipeout and even PS shipped and as a result of that buyout were one of the 1st people to see and get to mess around with the PS prototype . But like usual you come steaming in...talking the talk but with all the facts wrong
Sega beat Nintendo in eight consecutive years.
You just make stuff up . The only market SEGA one over Nintendo was in USA and after 95 the Mega Drive/Genesis was a seeing sales slip even in the USA . 8 years is laughable , 6 years is pushing it
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They were complete bought out in 1993 by SONY long before Wipeout and even PS
shipped and as a result of that buyout were one of the 1st people to see and get
to mess around with the PS prototype . But like usual you come steaming
in...talking the talk but with all the facts wrong
No..you have the facts wrong. Psychosis was free to make any game on any console. That is a fact..which its why it was on as many systems as it were.
You just make stuff up . The only market SEGA one over Nintendo was in USA
and after 95 the Mega Drive/Genesis was a seeing sales slip even in the
USA . 8 years is laughable , 6 years is pushing it
SNES never topped the system from its release from 89 to 96. The SNES wasn't around in 89-90 so sega had the market all to its self in the USA. SNES NEVER and i repeat NEVER topped the genesis in the core years of the war. When Sega withdrew from genesis for Saturn that's when SNES took over..and by then the 32x era was in full swing. Nintendo only sold well with SNES when it didn't matter anymore. That's not winning any war..its not even close. So you check you're facts. I actually posted up mine. You however do not. Again stop continuing an argument you already lost on.
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TA, you seem to be forgetting Europe again.
ROJM: to be fair to Ninty, no SNES until 1991 makes it hard for Sega to have whipped them in the 16 bit wars in 89-90. 8 years is the same sort of math as including post 96 for SNES.
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No..you have the facts wrong. Psychosis was free to make any game on any console
They were 100% owned by SONY ::) and everything had to go through SONY .
SNES never topped the system from its release from 89 to 96.
Well that be every clever since the system didn't come out until 1990 in Japan, never mind the USA (where it came out in 1991). Looking over that while the Snes never could beat the Mega Drive in the USA or UK it did more than well enough in those markets sold much better in the likes of France and totally destroyed the Mega Drive in Japan meaning that overall the Snes had the bigger World Wide Market Share.
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TA, you seem to be forgetting Europe again.
ROJM: to be fair to Ninty, no SNES until 1991 makes it hard for Sega to have whipped them in the 16 bit wars in 89-90. 8 years is the same sort of math as including post 96 for SNES.
Not really. Nintendo wasn't in the market till 90 if we count japan..but if we count america only 91. So from 91 which was the middle of the height of Sonic's soaring popuarity and 96 when Sega moved from to the Saturn..the Genesis still whipped Nintendo.
89-91 Sega had the market to themselves. 91-93. Sega units was outselling SNES thanks to a price drop..Sonic 2..and several key Genesis games. 94-96...the figures i posted speaks for itself. SNES didn't outsell Sega once until it didn't matter anymore.
The height of the console war was during 92-94...the key years. Sega was still beating Nintendo in america and in europe.
So the reality is duringt he years where it matered Sega effectivly beat Nintendo...during that whole 16 bit era Sega dominated the moment genesis came onto the scene. So Nintendo never beat Sega..and therefore never really won the console war. In America the most important market back then..and Europe.
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They were 100% keep on talking rubbish blah blah blah..
1 i never said they weren't owned i said they were free to make games for anyone else...which isn't diffulcult since Sony was a third party themselves at the time and they acted more like a subsidary to them rather than a developer making games(which they did as well) that sony alone published.
2)Not in the time where it mattered. Again Sega kicked and humilated Nintendo for eight years straight...you can keep harping on but you never show anything to back you're side up. I just showed you actual figures. So keep living in lala land mate..you lost ..like Nintendo...as always
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TA, you seem to be forgetting Europe again
UK, Germany and France are part of Europe are they not ? . The Snes was 2nd best in USA and UK , but in the likes of Germany it was far closer and France, Spain was a clear win for the Super Nintendo . The Snes sold close enough over all in the west and totally destroyed all other rivals in Japan and that alone made sure The Snes had the bigger Market share worldwide.
.but if we count america only 91. So from 91 which was the middle of the height of Sonic's soaring popuarity and 96 when Sega moved from to the Saturn..the Genesis still whipped Nintendo.
And that be 5 years , hardly 8 .
The height of the console war was during 92-94...the key years. Sega was still beating Nintendo in america and in europe
USA and UK for sure . Other parts of Europe no and Japan the Snes beat the MD by well over 10 million units . Much like the 360 really where it couldn't crack all of Europe and had a hard time in Japan, but did massively well in Uk and USA
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But the points still stand; when they were actually competing TA, the MD won. You're willing to concede the MD dominated for 91-96?
I have never heard, anywhere, the Nintendo sold the NES or the SNES in significant numbers in Europe, until your claim. Just about any history of the time you care to read will tell you Sega blew Nintendo out of the water in Europe. The only exception I'm aware of is Germany.
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spin spin concede spin
That's the propaganda speech for nintendo that TA does.
But the points still stand; when they were actually competing TA, the MD won. You're willing to concede the MD dominated for 91-96?
I have never heard, anywhere, the Nintendo sold the NES or the SNES in significant numbers in Europe, until your claim. Just about any history of the time you care to read will tell you Sega blew Nintendo out of the water in Europe. The only exception I'm aware of is Germany.
Exactly..it makes no different from 89-96 or 91-96 when SNES was around..SEGA dominated the 16bit era...and when it had competitors it destroyed The Turbograhix AND the SNES. So Sega won the console war. Its not even up for debate.
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Console wars...How Sega owned NEC...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UExsRds7RlE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UExsRds7RlE)
This is the type of thing NEC and Nintendo was up against..this demonstration on a "serious" computer tv show..just shows how in one take Sega practically blew NEC out of the water in this demonstration.
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But the points still stand; when they were actually competing TA, the MD won. You're willing to concede the MD dominated for 91-96
USA and UK - No doubt about it clear win for SEGA ,The rest of Europe not so clear and Japan it was a total non contest . Overall the Snes sold some 8 to 10 million units of Hardware over the MD . Worldwide the Snes had the bigger market share. Dominated is a BIG world and the MD didn't dominated the Snes in the West , in Japan Nintendo had over 90% of the Video games market to call its own - That's true domination, same went for the NES in America.
the Nintendo sold the NES or the SNES in significant numbers in Europe, until your claim.
Nintendo own official figs put the Snes sales down has 8.5 million in Europe while some 23 million were sold in USA. Nintendo always do well in Germany and more so in France (Nintendo mags would love to talk about this at the time) . So looking at them overall the Mega Drive outsold the Snes in the West by 5 odd million units . The trouble was the Snes sold over 15 million units in Japan , compared to sales of around 4 million . So thanks to Japan Nintendo was able to boost the bigger world wide market share
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USA and UK - No doubt about it clear win for SEGA ,The rest of Europe not so clear and Japan it was a total non contest . Overall the Snes sold some 8 to 10 million units of Hardware over the MD . Worldwide the Snes had the bigger market share. Dominated is a BIG world and the MD didn't dominated the Snes in the West , in Japan Nintendo had over 90% of the Video games market to call its own - That's true domination, same went for the NES in America.
Its not really a big word.The majority of europe supported the MD over the SNES. Even if you add the sales from Germany and France which wasn't clear cut for Nintendo..Sega had the bigger share in europe overall.
Nintendo own official figs put the Snes sales down has 8.5 million in Europe while some 23 million were sold in USA. Nintendo always do well in Germany and more so in France (Nintendo mags would love to talk about this at the time) . So looking at them overall the Mega Drive outsold the Snes in the West by 5 odd million units . The trouble was the Snes sold over 15 million units in Japan , compared to sales of around 4 million . So thanks to Japan Nintendo was able to boost the bigger world wide market share
Again the sales the final sales were from the SNES still on sale after the war didn't matter. It wasn't just down to japan. Again when it came down to it in the most important market which was AMERICA, Sega won.
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Reading the recently released Mega Drive Book really hit home how hard SOA put into the marketshare.
Although the 32x is a little more hazy, as it states that it was SOA's idea and that SOJ were willing to give it some space before the Saturn launched.
Some of it doesn't all read as if it's some big war but I guess the relationship waned when the Saturn came to be and SOA saw the problems well before SOJ did.
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Reading the recently released Mega Drive Book really hit home how hard SOA put into the marketshare.
Although the 32x is a little more hazy, as it states that it was SOA's idea and that SOJ were willing to give it some space before the Saturn launched.
Some of it doesn't all read as if it's some big war but I guess the relationship waned when the Saturn came to be and SOA saw the problems well before SOJ did.
Except it wasn't...It was an idea from SOJ that SOA took up on. All the interviews from the main people involved had stated that way before this book came out...
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If it's inaccurate, then wouldn't the Publisher mention this?
I don't think they'd sell the book if they wanted to misinterpret what was said?
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If it's inaccurate, then wouldn't the Publisher mention this?
I don't think they'd sell the book if they wanted to misinterpret what was said?
It is inaccurate. And which book are you going on about?
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If it's inaccurate, then wouldn't the Publisher mention this?
I don't think they'd sell the book if they wanted to misinterpret what was said?
Why wouldn't they? Books distort the truth all the time.
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Its not really a big word.The majority of europe supported the MD over the SNES
It is a big world and while the MD outsold the Snes in the USA and UK , the Snes it's self more than held it's own and sold more than well enough . True domination is what Nintendo was able to do in Japan with the NES and Snes and command over 90% of the entire Japanese market .
Thanks to Japan Nintendo was always able to boast more worldwide marketshare than SEGA , but SEGA had the key vital America Market and that's the one you want for massive profits
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It is a big world and while the MD outsold the Snes in the USA and UK , the Snes it's self more than held it's own and sold more than well enough . True domination is what Nintendo was able to do in Japan with the NES and Snes and command over 90% of the entire Japanese market .
Thanks to Japan Nintendo was always able to boast more worldwide marketshare than SEGA , but SEGA had the key vital America Market and that's the one you want for massive profits
Really. Its funny that japan sales didn't actually help SNES during the period that i'm talking about when Sega had 80 percent of the market worldwide. It only count because the SNES sold longer when it didn't matter. So no Nintendo didn't win anything as anyone can see how the N64 was Nintendo former self. Sega screwed them up and beat them so bad..they just couldn't really compete on any level...even when they had strong games. It was only Pokemon that saved their ass in the west.
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And not only that: All the investments for the Sony CD, FX Chip, Virtual Boy and more "arrangement" deals with developers like Capcom or Konami cost the dollar to Nintendo. Even they struggled to reach profit in those times. Bot Pókemon and the Wii were the miracle hit before. Now they expect that for the Amiibos.
Also,I don't see or know why the FX chip was such a sucess. Yeah, Star Fox was a revelation in 93 but only other game of 9 total of other ones with the chip was sucessful: SMW 2.
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Really. Its funny that japan sales didn't actually help SNES during the period that i'm talking about when Sega had 80 percent of the market
SEGA never had 80% of the market in the USA or Europe the only market SEGA came close to having that sort of Market share was the Arcade when SEGA had near 75% of the Arcade market to call its own in the 90's . In the Mega Drive days at system height the last stats I saw in the Press at the time gave SEGA 64% market share inthe USA and that bloody Street Fighter II came along and really saved the SNES in the West
Even the UK SEGA didn't have 80% Of the Market Gallup figures for total user base in 1994 in the UK gave SEGA a milion unit lead over the Snes with 2,500,000 Million Mega Drive's Vs 150,000,000 Million. Japan was just Nintendo and the Snes so popular they only stopped official production of the unit in 2003
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SEGA never had 80% of the market in the USA or Europe the only market SEGA came close to having that sort of Market share was the Arcade when SEGA had near 75% of the Arcade market to call its own in the 90's . In the Mega Drive days at system height the last stats I saw in the Press at the time gave SEGA 64% market share inthe USA and that bloody Street Fighter II came along and really saved the SNES in the West
Even the UK SEGA didn't have 80% Of the Market Gallup figures for total user base in 1994 in the UK gave SEGA a milion unit lead over the Snes with 2,500,000 Million Mega Drive's Vs 150,000,000 Million. Japan was just Nintendo and the Snes so popular they only stopped official production of the unit in 2003
They did mate. Its a fact Sega had the majority of the market. Japan sales for Nintendo never shifted the market to their favor until AFTER sega moved onto the Saturn and the PSX was in full swing..when it didn't matter anymore. France (which sega was in the leaked by a small margin)and Germany combined never overtook the sales that sega had in the UK and then rest of the european nations..Sega smashed Nintendo to bits. So you can keep spinning you're crap..with out of date data...especially when i have the actual figures from that time and the adjusted figures. Something that you have unable to back up..unlike me..the person who states facts and have the evidence to back me up..when i need to. Again its a waste of time...so don't bother with this until you have actual figures and revised figures from the noughties data sheets.
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ROJM is quite the troll, no?
Here's the fact: Worldwide the SNES outsold the Genesis 49.1 million to 40 million. Sega may have won on some regions but lost so badly in others the SNES came out the victor.
Sega's never won a console war but were close with the Genesis. They've won several major battles but ultimately lost the war.
In American football, there's a phenomenon known as "garbage time." If one team has decisively beaten the other, but there's still a fair amount of time left in the game, the winning team usually rests most of their starters and lets the back-ups play against the losing team in the remaining "garbage time." The losing team is then able to score some points, and often racks up some statistics that look impressive on paper if you hadn't actually watched the game and seen how thoroughly they were beaten.
That's basically what happened with the SNES. It didn't surpass the sales of the Gen/MD until it didn't matter anymore, when the entire industry was moving on into the next generation. When 16-bit was relevant, Sega beat Nintendo decisively.
And the huge flaw with your analogy is that the losing team made a comeback and won the game. Sega has nothing but to blame itself for losing in such a way, and the idea that "it didn't matter anymore" is a ridiculous excuse. A coach would get sacked for saying something like this: "We lost the game due to fielding our reserve team, but we were ahead by a comfortable amount of points so it didn't really matter that the opposing team were scoring and made the comeback against us. Since that didn't matter, we actually won."
Realize how ridiculous that sounds? The cold fact is that in the end, Sega lost, and has never won a console war while it was a first-party company. Only Nintendo and Sony (and perhaps Atari) can claim victory for at least one console war.
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What a statement! So then by your estimation if the PS3 continues to be sold for another few years, and it eventually catches up to the Wii and outsells it, the Nintendo lost the last one?
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ROJM is quite the troll, no?
No its someone joining a SEGA fan forum and calling themselves Nintendo
Here's the fact: Worldwide the SNES outsold the Genesis 49.1 million to 40 million. Sega may have won on some regions but lost so badly in others the SNES came out the victor.
Yawn. And you break it down Sega had the majority of that market while Nintendo had japan which is why they have that number. After the fact when the 16 bit market didn't matter anymore.
Sega's never won a console war but were close with the Genesis. They've won several major battles but ultimately lost the war.
Sega won the war. When you have the market to yourself for three years in which time you crushed a competitor in the form of NEC, Then you are joined by Nintendo who never was able to outsell Sega during the height of the 16bit era...And you're competitor only beats you when the company being Sega is going full tilt with their new console and NOT supporting the old one anymore because everyone has MOVED on from old tech..means you won. You know it which is why you came down here.
And the huge flaw with your analogy is that the losing team made a comeback and won the game. Sega has nothing but to blame itself for losing in such a way, and the idea that "it didn't matter anymore" is a ridiculous excuse. A coach would get sacked for saying something like this: "We lost the game due to fielding our reserve team, but we were ahead by a comfortable amount of points so it didn't really matter that the opposing team were scoring and made the comeback against us. Since that didn't matter, we actually won."
It didn't. 96 32 era had began to dominate. Sega and Sony was well into their own console war..nintendo just picked up the scraps that Sega left them. In the years where it did matter Nintendo never BEAT Sega once. I have the back up..you obviously don't..or are you gonna dispute the report too? Nintendo was NEVER ahead. You never had america..never had South America and never had the majority of Europe. If i threw in Hong Kong..the biggest market outside Japan in Asia and you find you didn't have them too.
The cold fact is that in the end, Sega lost, and has never won a console war while it was a first-party company. Only Nintendo and Sony (and perhaps Atari) can claim victory for at least one console war.
Sega won it because they beat Nintendo head to head for FIVE straight years. That's the reality. Claiming victory because you stayed in a market that didn't matter anymore isn't a victory.
Realize how ridiculous that sounds?
What's ridiculous is a stupid nintendo kid coming in here and think that they can challenge me on this. My reputation around here isn't in question. However no one knows who you are and on top of that are more likely to side with me than they are with you because of how you introduced yourself around here.
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What a statement! So then by your estimation if the PS3 continues to be sold for another few years, and it eventually catches up to the Wii and outsells it, the Nintendo lost the last one?
Yep that's exactly what he's saying. Sega gave Nintendo a beating and a whipping.
Thanks to several key elements.
Being the first to launch to market.
EA
Disney Marvel and MJ.
Sonic.
Mortal Kombat
Night Trap..
Tom Kalinske.
And i won't bother including the sega commercials...the price drops and special pack ins...the Game tours..the cool celebrity endorsements..Sega's media presence..Sega sports..Treasure and others that helped maintain Sega's dominance over Nintendo in that era..
Nintendo never won the console war. They got smashed. And that is the reason..the sole reason they just weren't up to compete against Sony.
Nintendo had to stay in the market for one reason. The SNES had to make its investment back. They were counting on america to help them do that. But it didn't happen. That's the reason why Nintendo STAYED as long as they did..that's the reason why the N64 came out when it did. They had no choice.Same reason why Sony's PS3 is still on market because the R+D investment hasn't really been met. In fact each system since the NES, Nintendo LOST money because they weren't strong sellers. That's why they went in the direction with the Wii because the GC was a big failure and didn't get near its investment on the tech they used. So they had to use the same tech again with a different shell...and it took off. Nintendo has not been able to compete directly with Sega, Sony and MS in terms of game tech so they go the cheaper route. And now they're paying a more heavy price with the WiiU.
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No its someone joining a SEGA fan forum and calling themselves Nintendo
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Gimme a Kudos...that's more appreciated.
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Yep that's exactly what he's saying. Sega gave Nintendo a beating and a whipping
Only In America and the UK and its not like the Snes was a total flop in the USA and UK either. At the end of the day you can say what you want Joe but your argument falls to pieces in a few key area's ... Looking over that the Snes outsold the MD but some 10 million units there's a couple of more key facts and that's Nintendo share price and profits and in the 90's Nintendo share price was always higher than SEGA's and more telling Nintendo would make at least double the profits of SEGA through out the 90's.
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Noone says that SNES was a flop, it was a sucess that helped both the industry and the consumer in general but not as big as MD which in 4 years gave to Sega 4 billion USD in the bank by sales and profits.
Nintendo invest so much money in the first half of 90's to keep the 50% of the market that almost go out of the business if Pokemon didn't happen.
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You really think so? The NES was a huge success, it makes it hard for me to believe that Nintendo almost ran out of cash due to investments in the SNES..
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The Sony CD deal, massive advertisiments, Virtual Boy, The FX chip which was only used in 8 games with a reduced price , 3rd parties payments deals, exclusive retailers deals, R&D cost for N64 Games tha almost cost the double of making a PSX game, and more...
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Noone says that SNES was a flop, it was a sucess that helped both the industry and the consumer in general but not as big as MD which in 4 years gave to Sega 4 billion USD in the bank by sales and profits.
Nintendo invest so much money in the first half of 90's to keep the 50% of the market that almost go out of the business if Pokemon didn't happen.
I'm saying its a flop. Think about it. The SNES had quite some pretty tech for that system which wasn't cheap. Each market for that system has to hit a specific target in order to at least get its investment back. Then its got to make a profit. Manaufacturing costs for the console and its parts are also a factor. The SNES outside of japan struggled to get anywhere near Sega's lead. People are under the mmisconception that it was a close battle. It was n't even close. Sega dumped Nintendo from a vast height.
When you also factor profits...and then take the elements of operating costs..etc etc..Nintendo didn't have much to play with as they did in the previous NES era. Then factor in the R+D disasters and Nintendo being sued by third parties which cost Nintendo dearly...they were paying out more than they were actually making on the SNES. Which is why it remained on the shelve for so long. If anyone really thinks Nintendo would make the mistake of waiting for the former competitor to take the market again and the monster it helped create Sony also take the lead..then people are living in lala land. Nintendo simply couldn't bring N64 out because they weren't in a position to do so..the SNES HAD to make its money and fast.
Sega on the other hand were more clever at regaining their investments. The consoles shared the same tech as their arcades. So the megadrive which was cheap to produce compared to the SNES was also bringing back its investment thanks to the system 16 arcade boards. And since Sega dominated the market during the eighties and nineties..there was no problem in selling this tech to arcade operators across the world. That's probably why Sega was able to dump the Saturn when they did because of the practice of using the investment on the tech they built and spinning it off to arcades and console. So while the Saturn flopped..they at least got their investment on the tech back. Nintendo never had that option. And we can see how they practice..using old tech and passing it off as a new system like the Wii. The SNES was a flop because it didn't dominate and only made it a success after the war was over. The N64 was a flop because it was too expensive to manaufacture the tech..the console and the cartridges...and the rumple pack joypads...when everyone else moved on to the cost effective CD format. Remember the N64 was a distant number 2...WORLDWIDE. The GC was a flop and Nintendo LOST that investment...and had to use the same tech for the next system the Wii which became a success. Now they have lost their investment again by trying to use an old method old tech housed by new tech controllers but not been able to shift enough units.
So this BS that Nintendo won more than two console wars is just that.BULLSHIT. They won the japanese 8 bit war. They won the last gen war. But they no way ever won the classic 16 bit console war. No one has been able to prove me wrong on any of this since i started to say this years ago. I proved it once..i proved it once..i proved it now..and i shall do it again with more details at a time of our choosing.
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Noone says that SNES was a flop, it was a sucess that helped both the industry and the consumer in general but not as big as MD which in 4 years gave to Sega 4 billion USD in the bank by sales and profits
What on earth are you on about ? . SEGA net worth has never been over $2 billion for the entire group , even in it's hey day . Looking over that in the 90's Nintendo was sitting on $3 billion in cash reserves alone.
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Simple facts for the 90's . SEGA PR budget was bigger than Nintendo's and to see you go on about the FX chip is just laughable , remind us again how many games the SVP chip was used in ? . And its not like SEGA didn't has its fair share of hardware disasters ... The Activator, [size=78%][/size] The Mega Drive 3D glasses, The Nomad, the Multi Mega and so on it goes . Sorry Nintendo not only had more marketshare than SEGA, but also always had bigger cash reserves and made more money than SEGA through out the 90's [size=78%]
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What on earth are you on about ? . SEGA net worth has never been over $2 billion for the entire group , even in it's hey day . Looking over that in the 90's Nintendo was sitting on $3 billion in cash reserves alone.
Simple facts for the 90's . SEGA PR budget was bigger than Nintendo's and to see you go on about the FX chip is just laughable , remind us again how many games the SVP chip was used in ? . And its not like SEGA didn't has its fair share of hardware disasters ... The Activator, The Mega Drive 3D glasses, The Nomad, the Multi Mega and so on it goes . Sorry Nintendo not only had more marketshare than SEGA, but also always had bigger cash reserves and made more money than SEGA through out the 90's [size=78%]
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The Nomad and Activator weren't disasters..that's a myth concocted by idiot fanboys who don't know anything. Nomad doesn't cost them anything much like the Mega combination because its using old tech. The costs to make them are minimal and sega got its investment back tenfold already on the MD. Because it was cheaper than the SNES.Which is why they were able to really commit to many variations of the genesis and support nearly7 systems.
The SNES didn't get its investment back straght away..factor in mode 7..THE colr palette etc...factor in FX cHIP..factor in its failed Nintendo bazooka..and you get a really bad market picture.
Sony had tons of money to play with after PS2...After PS3..they are failing...their movie company is failing and they may have to give back Spider Man to marvel..or to lease it to them just tomake money. It doesn't matter what you have in the reserves..its what you make that counts..and Nintendo had not made enough profit for the SNES which AFFECTED their status and company worth.
Nintendo did not have more marketshare than Sega...SAnyone who knows finances..and BACK UP their evidence which i have done KNOWS that.
Are you Nintendo by anychance? i find it strange someone actually two people out of the blue comes out of no where just to back you up...and happen to have the same writing style that you possess. Are you that much of a sadcase that you HAVE TO pretend to be some one else just to get a point over? Are you that stupid to think people will accept your santi sega propaganda when you show NO EVIDENCE to back any of you're claims up.
I want evidence from you TA. Not magazine scans..actual data scans of that period. I've shown mine..you do the same. If you can't then you are nothing but a troll posing as an insider.
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The Nomad and Activator weren't disasters..that's a myth concocted by idiot fanboys who don't know anything. Nomad doesn't cost them anything much like the Mega combination because its using old tech.
All hardware cost money not only in terms of R&D but also then in terms of manufacturing and PR, also just because systems like the Nomad was using established tech does not mean it's cheap has you can't use the old assembly lines and have to come out with new ones to manufacture and shrink the tech to fit in the handheld, then you issues over the LCD screen and then the testing that will be needed to be done to check the new board can work in the handheld casing and so on . The Multi Mega was a stunning bit of kit and a great bit of R&D to fit it all into one neat package but it sold like utter crap
What is true to say is that the likes of Super Snes CD, N64 DD, Multi Mega, Saturn, FX Chip, Virtual Boy and so on never really affected SEGA or Nintendo profits in their hey day , but one has to question were some of the R&D products worth spending the money on and if that money would have been better spent on other products or more games
The SNES didn't get its investment back straght away..factor in mode 7..THE colr palette etc...factor in FX cHIP..factor in its failed Nintendo
Looking over the complete dominance of the Famicom and NES in Japan and the USA (where is 1 in every 4 USA homes had one or something silly like that) The Super Famicom was a complete sell out on it's launch in Japan and always sold at either cost price (to be fair SEGA did that with the MD too) . It took until the DC for SEGA to start selling systems at a loss or with Nintendo the Wii U.
In 1991/2 Nintendo made profits of over a $Billion , SEGA has never been able to post a set of results like that, to put in to context . When SEGA was set for a merger with Bandai the whole SEGA Group was valued at $1.5 billion to $2 billion and it was more or less the same value when CSK and the late great Isao Okawa-san were looking to sell their entire stake to Microsoft .
Are you Nintendo by anychance?
LOL. Are you typing in the school yard, because that's the type of response I would expect from the school yard . What next ? If one points out that Man Utd are the most biggest and most successful football club in the UK in modern times, that makes you a Man Utd fan ? . Point out the simple truths does not make you a fan
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I have nothing to show so i keep making bs up...so i create a wall of text and repeat rrepeat repeat..
LOL. Are you typing in the school yard, because that's the type of response I would expect from the school yard . What next ? If one points out that Man Utd are the most biggest and most successful football club in the UK in modern times, that makes you a Man Utd fan ? . Point out the simple truths does not make you a fan
TA you're the one acting like a kid. You are the one who lies and spin when people debate a point that you can't back up. You are the one who IGNORES evidence shown to you time and again. You are the one who has obvioulsy posted as two diferent people to "back you up" on two different topics that you happen to be losing....yet they write in the same venculiar as you do. You LOST this argument ages ago. There is no debate. Again show the evidence fro actual DATA SHEETS like i did or shut up.
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What a statement! So then by your estimation if the PS3 continues to be sold for another few years, and it eventually catches up to the Wii and outsells it, the Nintendo lost the last one?
Yes. I'll talk more later.
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Yes. I'll talk more later.
Don't bother. Mods what the hell are you guys doing if you are going to let a Nintendo troll come in here? This is MEANT to be a SEGA FAN forum..not a place for nintendo zealots to come in here and bash Sega....pick it up guys! Shez...
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Yes. I'll talk more later.
Either post something of substance or don't post. Don't post promising a reply. And let's cool the debate guys.
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you're the one acting like a kid. You are the one who lies and spin when people debate a point that you can't back up.
I'm try and deal with facts and in 1997 SEGA was valued at less than 2 billion with the Bandai deal . In 1991 Nintendo posted pre tax profits of over a billion USA dollars more than double what SEGA group could post. Nintendo over the last 30 years has been one of the most profitable and successful corps in Japan .
You are the one who IGNORES evidence shown to you time and again.
No You do and so far you've only posted a scan of USA hardware sales .
I'll defy you to 1) Show a link or scan that shows the Mega Drive outsold the Super Nintendo for Worldwide sales 2) Show a link of scan that shows SEGA making more profit than Nintendo throughout the 1990's, or 3) a Link of scan that shows SEGA shares were more valuable than Nintendo .
Go on try it and then come back to me
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Either post something of substance or don't post. Don't post promising a reply. And let's cool the debate guys.
Will do. Thanks for keeping Nintendo in check and on point.
TA - Wouldnt Nintendo profits and share value be buttressed by things like ongoing NES sales or GB sales? Not quite a testament to SNES sales or success.
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Will do. Thanks for keeping Nintendo in check and on point.
TA - Wouldnt Nintendo profits and share value be buttressed by things like ongoing NES sales or GB sales? Not quite a testament to SNES sales or success.
Nintendo's shares at that point would only had value thanks to the gameboy..and reputation...but it wasn't the hot ticket to invest in during the mid nineties...Sega shares shot up during that period.
As TA kee[s stating that Sega wasn't popular in europe and all that jazz that they didn't have any money.
Does anyone remember the rise of the sega arcade amusement centres during the nineties? They were family attractions with rides and arcade games or small ones with arcades just in them. They started popping all over europe during 94 and beyond. The same happened in America with the Gameworks centres. Sega had so much money they started to buy or build these kinda centres and basically cement their domination as an family entetainment arcade centre in the united states and the west..pretty much like they already did in Japan. There was NO way they would have been able to do that..do so many in a short space of time if they weren't getting TONS of monry from the Genesis/sega systems..and their arcade games. And they still had money to play with in creating the other add ons and the saturn. So no...Nintendo wasn't even in Sega's LEAGUE during the nineties. All nintendo had was the gameboy and that was it...the evidence is there to see..sega had nearly 7 systems at the same time various arcade centres among other things. Sega won the console war and they had the money to splash around to show that they had won.
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TA - Wouldnt Nintendo profits and share value be buttressed by things like ongoing NES sales or GB sales? Not quite a testament to SNES sales or success.
Of course they would . That doesn't change the fact that the Snes outsold the Mega Drive or the fact that Nintendo had more bigger worldwide market share than SEGA at any point during the 80's and 90's.
Nintendo's shares at that point would only had value thanks to the gameboy..and reputation...but it wasn't the hot ticket to invest in during the mid nineties...Sega shares shot up during that period
Nintendo shares have were always more valuable because Nintendo was a far more profitable corp in those days, SEGA share went up in the early 90's but never enough to trouble Nintendo and in 1997 SEGA shares were taking a bit of big hit and took a slamming on the Bandai deal .
There was NO way they would have been able to do that..do so many in a short space of time if they weren't getting TONS of monry from the Genesis/sega systems..and their arcade games.
In 1992 I think SEGA posted a profit of $400 million, not bad but Nintendo was more than double . Nintendo had more than 3 billion dollars in the bank in cash reserves alone thanks to the sales of the NES and in the 90's it owned Japan and the Snes was far far from a flop in Europe or USA . Stop trying to fool people or paint a different picture of what it was like . Nintendo was always bigger than SEGA in terms of profits or cash reserves
the evidence is there to see..sega had nearly 7 systems at the same time various arcade centres among other things.
It shows how loss SEGA was with it's cash . Looking over how the MS didn't sell great in the USA or Japan and totally destroyed by the NES , how the Game Boy totally outsold the GG and the Snes outsold the MD, the Saturn outsold by the N64 and on . Atari it's self had a number of systems with the Lynx , Jaguar , St and The Falcon ECT - that doesn't mean you're making loads of money or they are good investments . SEGA spent a fortune on the SEGA worlds and they all went pear shape, wasted million on the 32X and was just too lose with its cash and had too many projects on the go
For all your hype and talk of SEGA in the late 90's they making massive losses of over $200 million its share price was taking a smashing and then in the end a bloody Pachinko corp could buy SEGA for less than $500 million
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[/size]Nintendo share of the total videogame market revenue in 1994 - 65%
Nintendo Cash reserves in 1994 - $3.334 Billion[/font]
Nintendo had more money in the bank than what it would take to buy SEGA outright [/font]
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I was saying that Nintendo's cash reserves and stock value shouldn't be taken as testament to the success of the SNES or investors perception of it.
Nintendo's share of overall game market would likewise include game boy. I was of the impression this was about the 16 bit wars, not the whole rivalry.
Sega would have been worth more than 3.4 bill at the time. A company's value is more than just liquid assets you know.
To clarify, I'm not taking the position the SNES was an outright flop, just that it sold less than Nintendo wagered.
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I was saying that Nintendo's cash reserves and stock value shouldn't be taken as testament to the success of the SNES or investors perception of it
Nintendo $3 billion in cash reserves was thanks to the NES alone . That's not to say the Snes wasn't a complete success and sold more units that the MD or that worldwide the Snes didn't have more market share . When it comes down to it thanks the Snes and the GB Nintendo was able to post profits that were always double that of SEGA's and that's taking the whole SEGA Group into account .
SEGA dominated the UK 16 bit market , it beat Nintendo in the USA too , but sadly was letdown in Japan and thanks to Japan Snes was able to sell more units of hardware overall
Sega would have been worth more than 3.4 bill at the time. A company's value is more than just liquid assets you know.
Well they weren't and SEGA at the time was having to reduce it workforce with big layoffs in the USA and Canada closing down one of its Arcade manufacturing plans and various other cost cutting measures after SEGA profits shrunk to $40 million in 1997 - There's a reason why SEGA and CSK were looking to merge with Bandai and it wasn't because SEGA (or indeed Bandai) at the time were doing well .
The combined revenue of the 2 corps would have only been $6 billion, so it be sheer madness to even value SEGA at 3.4 billion
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Of course they would . That doesn't change the fact that the Snes outsold the
Mega Drive or the fact that Nintendo had more bigger worldwide market share than
SEGA at any point during the 80's and 90's.
It never outsold the Megadrive. It never beat the megadrive DURING its lifetime. It only sold more after the megadrive platform was dropped. And Sega had the larger marketshare during its RUN. Stop lying.
Nintendo shares have were always more valuable because Nintendo was a far more
profitable corp in those days, SEGA share went up in the early 90's but never
enough to trouble Nintendo and in 1997 SEGA shares were taking a bit of big hit
and took a slamming on the Bandai deal .
Not in the nineties they weren't. Sega was the hot ticket back in the early to mid nineties that's a fact.
In 1992 I think SEGA posted a profit of $400 million, not bad but Nintendo was
more than double . Nintendo had more than 3 billion dollars in the bank in cash
reserves alone thanks to the sales of the NES and in the 90's it owned Japan and
the Snes was far far from a flop in Europe or USA . Stop trying to fool people
or paint a different picture of what it was like . Nintendo was always bigger
than SEGA in terms of profits or cash reserves
See how he spins..he uses the cash reserve number not the actual profits that they made. Again proving my point. And were not talking about the NES. That's how sad you are that you have to bring a console from the eight bit era which had a huge unfair advantage over its competitors. The truth is that when Nintendo faced competition..they lost most of the time. Only the Wii was when they actually won the console war fairly. With the NES it was cheating tactics that got them that dominance.
It shows how loss SEGA was with
it's cash . Looking over how the MS didn't sell great in the USA or Japan and
totally destroyed by the NES , how the Game Boy totally outsold the GG and the
Snes outsold the MD, the Saturn outsold by the N64 and on . Atari it's self had
a number of systems with the Lynx , Jaguar , St and The Falcon ECT - that
doesn't mean you're making loads of money or they are good investments . SEGA
spent a fortune on the SEGA worlds and they all went pear shape, wasted million
on the 32X and was just too lose with its cash and had too many projects on the
go
It does actually. Stop trying to side wind the issue with no name companies..who didn't build arcade centres all over the world..supporting 7 systems...creating game content for arcads..and had a toy division.
For all your hype and talk of
SEGA in the late 90's they making massive losses of over $200 million its share
price was taking a smashing and then in the end a bloody Pachinko corp could buy
SEGA for less than $500 million
Not hype facts..which you don't deal with.
And we know who to blame don't we..SOJ the idiots who don't know how to run a buisness proprly. Sega only made MONEY when the americans ran the company.. Here's some facts
Nintendo share of the total videogame
market revenue in 1994 - 65% Nintendo Cash reserves in 1994 - $3.334
BillionNintendo had more money in the bank than what it would take to
buy SEGA outright
Again Cash reserves, not actual profit..and we know how Nintendo saved the cash...And that little post a quote isn't evidence. Still can't find anything to counter my data sheet huh..why? Because its a fact that's why. All you are doing is repeating myth and fairy stories. Nothing no actual data from actual up to date data sheets to back you up.
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I was saying that Nintendo's cash reserves and stock value shouldn't be taken as testament to the success of the SNES or investors perception of it.
Nintendo's share of overall game market would likewise include game boy. I was of the impression this was about the 16 bit wars, not the whole rivalry.
Sega would have been worth more than 3.4 bill at the time. A company's value is more than just liquid assets you know.
To clarify, I'm not taking the position the SNES was an outright flop, just that it sold less than Nintendo wagered.
Of course it shouldn't. Not once did he try to post the actual profits of the SNES during that period. He keeps banging on about it won and it won that. Cash reserves is what's left after the company pays out all the costs it has to. And the way Nintendo worked..they built up their reserve..which is what Segasammy is doing. So you can't count reserves...because it isn't profit. When you look into the profit from SNES its very telling and minimal. So yes JB it was a flop. The SNES flopped. And only got the lead with japan AFTER the MD went off the market.
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It never outsold the Megadrive
It outsold the MD by millions in Japan and the Snes also outsold the MD in France and Spain - Not that made much difference really it was Japan that was the killer for SEGA and where the Snes outsold the MD by over 10 million units ,wiping. out it's sale advantage in the USA and UK.
Not in the nineties they weren't.
Nintendo always had a higher share price and in 1997 SEGA share price started to take a hammering on the back of poor set of results and profits of just $40 million.
he uses the cash reserve number not the actual profits that they made.
Try no . Nintendo pre tax profits of over a billion in 1991/2 and cash reserves of over $3.4 billion . SEGA profits for the same period around the 400 to 600 million
The truth is that when Nintendo faced competition..they lost most of the time
When you say such utter rubbish like that its little wonder no-one will take your seriously....
NES/Famicom - Clear win for Nintendo
Super Famicom/Snes - Another win for Nintedno
Gameboy - Win for Nintendo
N64 - 2nd best for sure, but still beat SEGA Saturn and the 32X
GBA- Clear win for Nintendo
Cube - A poor mans 3rd, but still outsold SEGA's Dreamcast
DS - Clear Win for Nintendo
Wii- Win for Nintendo (but at massive cost)
3DS - Win for Nintendo .
who didn't build arcade centres all over the world..supporting 7 systems
Yeah wasting loads of money in the process . How many of the those Arcade centers are still here today - SEGA World centres in the UK were slashed in numbers after losses.
Sega only made MONEY when the americans ran the company.
SEGA made massive amounts of money in the 80's . I'll think you find , thanks really to one man and that's Yu 'GOD' Suzuki.
Again Cash reserves, not actual profit
And reminds again how you get billions in cash reserves ?. Not only did Nintendo make more money than SEGA, they made better profits too .
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It outsoldcan't actually prove anything i'm saying and i'll add other things into the fray because i'm a fraud who can't prove what i'm saying so i add other things when were really talking about 16 bit systems..and if that doesn't work..i'll pose under my new usernames to further back myself up..without actually have the evidence or credentials to be believed.
Keep on yapping you fraud. You lost. EVERYONE knows i'm telling the truth because i have the proof.You don't..you just have silly magazine scans. I have an up to date data sheet that you can't disprove. Goodbye and have a nice day. NOT....
Oh yes one more thing
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Face it...you traitor...now piss off..and stop bothering me...
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Keep on yapping you fraud. You lost. EVERYONE knows i'm telling the truth because i have the proof
You have no proof at all . Everyone knows Nintendo was bigger and made more money in the 80's and 90's and was and is a company with huge cash reserves
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You have no proof at all . Everyone knows Nintendo was bigger and made more money in the 80's and 90's and was and is a company with huge cash reserves
Apart from the data sheet that is at the beginning of this topic..you silly man...who CAN'T disprove anything said onj that sheet or hasn't proved anything apart from no it wasn't no it wasn't.go home kid..stop wasting my and every other SEGA fans time....
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Apart from the data sheet that is at the beginning of this topic
Which only applied to the 'USA market' and in your own data sheet it showed sales of the MD going down in 1994 . Btw it didn't show the profits, cash reserves or the share price of both companies . So how about you show us the profits for both companies in the 90's and then maybe we can debate
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Which only applied to the 'USA market' and in your own data sheet it showed sales of the MD going down in 1994 . Btw it didn't show the profits, cash reserves or the share price of both companies . So how about you show us the profits for both companies in the 90's and then maybe we can debate
You think i only have a data sheet for JUST the USA market...LOL...
And you can argue when it went down as another distraction..the SNES didnt outsell it. Only when Sega stopped supporting the system..you know when everyone but nintendo moved on to 32 bit. So continue you're deluded nonsense...
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You think i only have a data sheet for JUST the USA market...LOL...
Yes I do and unless you can prove otherwise . So lets see the profits for SEGA and Nintendo in the 1990's from you and the data sheets, scans to back them up . I bet you can't
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Yes I do and unless you can prove otherwise . So lets see the profits for SEGA and Nintendo in the 1990's from you and the data sheets, scans to back them up . I bet you can't
No TA unless you PROVE otherwise. You haven't given on iota of BACKUP since this topic started. Nothing to prove you correct on anyclaims. Until you can get a datasheet proving that nintendo was beating Sega in america at that time..which wont happen because it doesn't exist or that Nintendo was beating sega worldwide..won't happen because...america is the biggest market...sega had that market..made them in the lead..pure maths....then you should shut the F up.
idiot.BAKA!
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So that's a NO then.. I thought as much.
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So that's a NO then.. I thought as much.
You mean coming from someone who can't back anything up in his lifetime and keeps saying no when everyone else has said yes despite the majority having the evidence..and the person saying no never does?
You are such a joke..and a bad one at that..get out of here kid...
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NES/Famicom - Clear win for Nintendo
What country?
Brazil - Clear win for SMS
UK - Clear win for SMS
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What country?
Brazil - Clear win for SMS
UK - Clear win for SMS
Exactly.Nintendo had USA and Japan. Sega Master System had the rest of the world.And even then Brazil alone the MS continued to sell and sell..way into the nineties. The MS also had a sales boost in the USA and in other markets when the MD got big..it was still selling and getting games way after the NES was put to rest. Makes me wonder if the sales caught up to Nintendo would that mean using some people's logic that Sega won the 8 bit war? Course not..but even back then as demnonstrated by Segarule Sega was a thorn in nintendo's side...
Megadrive.
USA Clear win for Sega MD..biggest market which alone makes sega the worldwide winner
Hong Kong..Clear win for Sega..MD
Europe...clear win for Sega overall.
All nintendo had was Japan..and that alone wasn't enough to beat Sega during the height of the console wars..only AFTERWARDS WHEN IT DIDN'T MATTER ANYMORE.
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What country?
Brazil - Clear win for SMS
UK - Clear win for SMS
The NES and Famicom owned the 8 bit consoles wars and those were the biggest gaming markets back in the day. I mean MS could point out that the original XBox owned New Zealand and Australia, but it didn't help MS win the war. The difference in Hardware sales for between the NES and Master System is only some 50 million units its not even a contest really.
You mean coming from someone who can't back anything up in his lifetime
So I guess that's a no then ::)
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The NES and Famicom owned the 8 bit consoles wars and those were the biggest gaming markets back in the day. I mean MS could point out that the original XBox owned New Zealand and Australia, but it didn't help MS win the war. The difference in Hardware sales for between the NES and Master System is only some 50 million units its not even a contest really.
So I guess that's a no then ::)
I see that's a no that you don't have any evidence of datas sheets proving you'r stance. Stop wastying MY time fraud.
You see boys and girls..let this be the lesson of the day....I show evidence the fraud does not. The fraud can't show any evidence and now he's demanding proof on something he hasn't been able to disprove since this topic began.
So TA has no actual prove. That's a no for him each and every time.
Until you mr fraud can actually back anything up..stop pretending to be new member sthat magically appear and have no credit here to back you up. your silly games isn't gonna work here anymore.
Show us the data sheets to prove me wrong..oh wait you can't.So that's a no from you then..LOL.
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The NES and Famicom owned the 8 bit consoles wars and those were the biggest gaming markets back in the day. I mean MS could point out that the original XBox owned New Zealand and Australia, but it didn't help MS win the war. The difference in Hardware sales for between the NES and Master System is only some 50 million units its not even a contest really.
The things don't work this form, friend. You cannot to claim a suppose a Sega not sucess with global numbers. In local context, eg Brazil, Sega had a tremendous sucess its not even a contest really. In Korea, UK, France, sms had a sucess that european developers support the sms. Sega got supporting sms good times after Genesis statement in these countries.So Sega did overcome Nintendo in other regions than USA and Japan. Not only in Brazil but in all Latinamerica. Actually, SMS pay more attention than Nes for consumers.
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I see that's a no that you don't have any evidence of datas sheets proving you'r stance
Still a no then ?. Thought as much .
And want proof of Nintendo sales fig's ???
Here you go ....
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/hard_soft/ (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/hard_soft/)
Now try and show me where SEGA can beat those sales figures . Go on try it
You cannot to claim a suppose a Sega not success with global numbers
I'm going on Global numbers and that's when the NES owned America and Japan and those were the major gaming markets .
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I see that's a no that you don't have any evidence of datas sheets proving you'r stance
Still a no then ?. Thought as much .
And want proof of Nintendo sales fig's ???
NES/Famicom - 61 million
SNES - 49 million-
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/hard_soft/ (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/hard_soft/)
Now try and show me where SEGA can beat those sales figures . Go on try it,
You cannot to claim a suppose a Sega not sucess with global numbers.
I'm going on Global numbers and that's when the NES owned America and Japan and those were the major gaming markets .
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Extracted from those reports:
NES-The Americas (USA,Canada,Mexico, Brasil and others): 34 million
NES-Other (Europe,Asia, Oceania and others): 8 million
SNES-The Americas (USA,Canada,Mexico, Brasil and others): 23 million
SNES-Other (Europe,Asia, Oceania and others): 8 million
The other part:
Master System- Europe: 6.8 million (93' report).
Master System-Brazil: 5 million
MD/GEN- The Americas (USA, Canada, Brasil, Mexico and others): 28 million
MD/GEN- USA and Canada : 25 million
MD/GEN- Europe: 8.3 million
MD/GEN- Asia, Oceania, India and others: 2 million
And the ultimate analysis from that era:
http://www.netinst.org/Clements_Ohashi.pdf (http://www.netinst.org/Clements_Ohashi.pdf)
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I'm going on Global numbers and that's when the NES owned America and Japan and those were the major gaming markets .
Not fair.
NES-The Americas (USA,Canada,Mexico, Brasil and others): 34 millionNES-Other (Europe,Asia, Oceania and others): 8 million
34 +8 = 61 millions?
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Well one looking over I like the way you're counting USA twice for the Mega Drive sales fig's. I have to say those says fig's are wrong . I'm sure SEGA Japan confirmed they sold over 3 million Mega Drive's in Japan alone and Nintendo confirmed they sold over 10 million Snes in Japan alone
So how about you get some real fig's
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Not fair.
Life it's fair , but worldwide sales count . In the UK we saw the Zx Spectrum smash the C64, world wide sales allowed Commodore to win the war. Not that in the 8 or 16 bit days you couldn't make vasts profits by just being a good 2nd or 3rd
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Life it's fair , but worldwide sales count . In the UK we saw the Zx Spectrum smash the C64, world wide sales allowed Commodore to win the war. Not that in the 8 or 16 bit days you couldn't make vasts profits by just being a good 2nd or 3rd
The question that you must put in yourself is: in 8 bit wars Sega was ridiculous? In Global numbers seems yes, but in local context no.
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The question that you must put in yourself is: in 8 bit wars Sega was ridiculous?
Is anybody saying SEGA was ? There is vast difference to making out that one system sold vastly better to another, to making fun of a corp . The PS2 outsold the DC,X Box and Cube combined - Does that make those systems and their manufactures 'ridiculous' or is just the case of pointing out worldwide sales of the systems.
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The subject's topic is: The Console War..the truth...
Don't seems to me "The Console sales war..."
Anyway cannot claim considering only global sales. For example, like as quoted above, if Sega seems loser in global sales, the Big S established, the market's name in America, Korea, Europa, confirming the Genesis performance much better.
PS: Remembering that Sega was a small enterprise in opposite to Nintendo.
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Still a no then ?. Thought as much .
Just as i thought..no prove at all...LOL...
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Extracted from those reports:
NES-The Americas (USA,Canada,Mexico, Brasil and others): 34 million
NES-Other (Europe,Asia, Oceania and others): 8 million
SNES-The Americas (USA,Canada,Mexico, Brasil and others): 23 million
SNES-Other (Europe,Asia, Oceania and others): 8 million
The other part:
Master System- Europe: 6.8 million (93' report).
Master System-Brazil: 5 million
MD/GEN- The Americas (USA, Canada, Brasil, Mexico and others): 28 million
MD/GEN- USA and Canada : 25 million
MD/GEN- Europe: 8.3 million
MD/GEN- Asia, Oceania, India and others: 2 million
And the ultimate analysis from that era:
http://www.netinst.org/Clements_Ohashi.pdf (http://www.netinst.org/Clements_Ohashi.pdf)
Why are you wasting you're time? All TA could do was get a frigging post from Nintendo..he's lost we all KNOW it and now he's picking on i can't prove anything when he hasn't been unable to PROVE a thing. Don't waste you're time on this fraud...
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The subject's topic is: The Console War..the truth...
Don't seems to me "The Console sales war..."
Anyway cannot claim considering only global sales. For example, like as quoted above, if Sega seems loser in global sales, the Big S established, the market's name in America, Korea, Europa, confirming the Genesis performance much better.
PS: Remembering that Sega was a small enterprise in opposite to Nintendo.
The guy's a joke Sega rule This is a summery of TA in this type of debate
When i said SOJ screwed over Sega of America..and systematically shut their production houses down and killed off Sonic
TA:NO NO NO NO
Years later..a whole book comes out BACKING everything i said years ago.
four years back..Me and Jonboy said that SOJ originated the idea of the 32x not Sega of America.
We BOTH show evidence to back us up...
TA;NO NO NO NO ..you're wrong..I'M CORRECT...
last year..he basically tries to spin it by maintaining that SOA created the system. I counted it by using quotes from the same people who said SOJ had the concept in the first place.
EC game sales 2 million..
Shown evidence
TA ignores evidence and says NO NO NO NO
Got back up by JB at the end...
Capcom losing money..Sega having more money
Me..George(modand co founder of Segabits) Aki..(the guy who knows about finances and posts reports on them)and countless others said capcom lost money and haven't been succesful
We all show evidence to back our statements up
TA preceeds in a senseless distracting topic of wall of quotes spinning and lying on what others have said just to prove a point that he has already lost on.
You see..he's even doing it now..he has if you read this whole topic not shown one bit of ACTUAL evidence to back himself up..using cash reserves to prove a point when profit and cash reserves are two different things..and now spinning something on me showing proof that he can't himself prove.The guy is a joke.
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So still no data sheet, Thought as much. C'mon on Joe show me the proof that shows The Master System or the Mega Drive worldwide sales fig's came anywhere near that of the NES or the Snes .
Ever do it, or just admit you're wrong .
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So still no data sheet, Thought as much. C'mon on Joe show me the proof that shows The Master System or the Mega Drive worldwide sales fig's came anywhere near that of the NES or the Snes .
Ever do it, or just admit you're wrong .
So you STILL have no data sheet to counterpoint me?
That's eight threads now...and still its a no from you but you can't say it.EIGHT THREADS dude and NO data sheet from you. You're making yourself look stupid everytime to post. This gets easy everytime.
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So still no data sheet, Thought as much. C'mon on Joe show me the proof that shows The Master System or the Mega Drive worldwide sales fig's came anywhere near that of the NES or the Snes .
Ever do it, or just admit you're wrong .
I don't think that was the point - he was saying that the Gen outsold the SNES during the Gen's lifetime, which I thought he did demonstrate. I don't think he ever made the claim the SMS came anywhere near striking distance of NES.
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I don't think that was the point - he was saying that the Gen outsold the SNES during the Gen's lifetime, which I thought he did demonstrate. I don't think he ever made the claim the SMS came anywhere near striking distance of NES.
Again the typical TA spin machine strikes again....you shouldn't be suprised about it by now..JB. And he still can't prove otherwise. If the Genesis had the majority of sales in america..from a great lead..which they also had in Europe...Two of the biggest markets...there is no way that Nintendo had world domination with the SNES just because of japan. That only factored in because the SNES kept selling in the states after everyone moved on.
Also JB i pose you this question..The SNES lost money...because the system wasn't selling for full price..which Genesis/MD was able to for a whole year before they brought the price down.
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I don't think that was the point - he was saying that the Gen outsold the SNES during the Gen's lifetime, which I thought he did demonstrate. I don't think he ever made the claim the SMS came anywhere near striking distance of NES.
No, The MD outselling the Snes in the USA or even the UK was never the question - I was quite clear and talking about Worldwide sales . Now by all means either you or Joe or show me the world wide fig's that show the MD sold better than the Snes .
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If the Genesis had the majority of sales in america..from a great lead..which they also had in Europe...Two of the biggest markets
It had the UK and USA, but the 'crucial' point is the Snes was able to be a very good 2nd in those markets . In Japan the Snes outsold the Mega Drive but some 12 million units wiping out any of the main gains for the MD in the West that's the big difference
So C'Mon either show us the sales data that shows the Mega Drive outsold the Snes on the World Stage, or just admit you can't and you're wrong . If you don't provide the link or data sheets...we'll all know the reason why
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It had the UK and USA, but the 'crucial' point is the Snes was able to be a very good 2nd in those markets . In Japan the Snes outsold the Mega Drive but some 12 million units wiping out any of the main gains for the MD in the West that's the big difference
So C'Mon either show us the sales data that shows the Mega Drive outsold the Snes on the World Stage, or just admit you can't and you're wrong . If you don't provide the link or data sheets...we'll all know the reason why
I can. I'm waiting from you to provide an up to date data sheet backing what you have siad..which i may add you have changed during the conversation in this thread numourous times to back you up.
You have not been able to. Before you said it was a close battle in america. The data sheet shows clearly it wasn't and that Sega was in the lead by a large margin. You then twisted it again saying they had europe..which wasn't even worth proving you wrong because EVERYONE knows that you are on that. Now its worldwide..and you have not been able to prove one bit of evidence from a higher source other than stupid scanlations that you have downloaded from the MM website(if its still there anymore) to back you up.
Again i thought as much..you clearly haven't anything to back you up. Just like the majority of these type of conversations from you
In other words...its a no then..you have no back up nada..
Just as i thought TA ..just as EVERYONE thought...
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No, The MD outsold the Snes Worldwide ..i can't prove it so i'm going to derail the topic by saying no all the time and prove it when i've shown no ounce of real evidence to back what i'm saying up.
There fixed it for you. And i take it its still sa no from you then? Just as me and JB thought...
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So that's a no then. Thought as much *Rolls Eyes *
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*Feels bump against my shoe*
"Oh?"
*Picks up TA's eyes*
"Did you roll these across the floor? Here you go..."
*Roll's eyes back to TA*
Be sure to wash them before putting them back in.
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So that's a no then. Thought as much *Rolls Eyes *
Just as me and JB thought.You still got nothing.
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*Feels bump against my shoe*
"Oh?"
*Picks up TA's eyes*
"Did you roll these across the floor? Here you go..."
*Roll's eyes back to TA*
Be sure to wash them before putting them back in.
And then he'll pick up his dirty eyes and still say no..and they roll out again..the more lies and spin TA does..the more his eyes roll out..LOL..
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The only one spinning and lying is you Joe . The very fact that you can't or won't produce any worldwide figures of the Master and Mega Drive sales fig's tell's it own story and that's what we all know the MD and MS did not outsell the Snes or NES on the worldwide stage .
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The only one spinning and lying is you Joe . The very fact that you can't or won't produce any worldwide figures of the Master and Mega Drive sales fig's tell's it own story and that's what we all know the MD and MS did not outsell the Snes or NES on the worldwide stage .
That's still a no then. Just as I thought.
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? I've produced Nintendo official fig's . How about you do the same for SEGA ?
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? I've produced Nintendo official fig's . How about you do the same for SEGA ?
In other words still a no then....
Nintendo's official figs aren't reliable..and that isn't a data sheet which i specifically asked you to come out with. Not something you trolled off the net. I've proven my claim too many times already on this and other matters. You on the other hand have not. Which means you have NOTHING..NADA! I've shown with my first data sheet what the exact results were on ALL systems from different companies. All you can produce is one from Nintendo? Gimme a break. That's why no one takes you seriously anymore.
But of course you STILL haven't proven anything and are going to spin this topic til you think we going to get bored.Aint gona happen.
So were waiting for you to PROVIDE a datasheet that details the EXACT percentages with everyone else that proves Nintendo WON the war..and that is up to date as well. Like mine..which says that SEGA won it.So were waiting over eight threads now to prove us wrong.
But we all know what the answer is going to be.
And its just as we thought..a NO!
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Nintendo's official figs aren't reliable..
What a utterly ridiculous thing to say . The simple fact is its you who can't back up what you claim, its you who can't show a data sheet or any sort of link that backs up what you say simply because the NES and Snes did out sell the MS and MD respectively on the worldwide stage
The trouble with you Joe is you see any sort of talk of SEGA product not selling as well as a rival corp product as an attack on the group and that must mean the person can't be a fan of SEGA and must be a fan of the rival corp in question - In short school yard talk . Pointing out the simple truth that Nintendo NES and MD sold better than the MS and MD doesn't make one a fan of Nintendo , in the same way pointing out the PS and PS2 outsold the Saturn and DC respectively doesn't make one a fan of SONY .
It's just what happen - doesn't mean you're a fan or the corps or means consoles like the PS or PS2 are better or the best consoles ever made because they sold the best
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What a utterly ridiculous thing to say . The simple fact is its you who can't back up what you claim, its you who can't show a data sheet or any sort of link that backs up what you say simply because the NES and Snes did out sell the MS and MD respectively on the worldwide stage
The trouble with you Joe is you see any sort of talk of SEGA product not selling as well as a rival corp product as an attack on the group and that must mean the person can't be a fan of SEGA and must be a fan of the rival corp in question - In short school yard talk . Pointing out the simple truth that Nintendo NES and MD sold better than the MS and MD doesn't make one a fan of Nintendo , in the same way pointing out the PS and PS2 outsold the Saturn and DC respectively doesn't make one a fan of SONY .
It's just what happen - doesn't mean you're a fan or the corps or means consoles like the PS or PS2 are better or the best consoles ever made because they sold the best
Not really since others have disputed the figures they've posted as well. If you've been in games as long as i have(for you it appears to be a minute) you'd KNOW thant. I've got mine from an INDEPENDENT source. Who doesn't have any allegiances which is why i never posted anything from Sega's own stats. Every company plays up their figures from time to time. So again its a no from you then that you can't produce an independent data sheet with the actual numbers. Go figure. Stop wasting our time you miserable troll.
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Not really since others have disputed the figures they've posted as well.
Like Nirmugen ? Again that's another member that tends to see people saying this system or that game sold better than that SEGA console or game has an outright attack on SEGA . When all one is doing, is pointing out the truth .
Very true to say SEGA utterly smashed Nintendo in the UK with both the MS and MD and SOA beat Nintendo in the USA with the Mega Drive , but truth of the matter is on the world stage the NES and SNES sold more units .
Every company plays up their figures from time to time
Even SEGA , Since SONY had issued with Any Mee's Saturn figures when he made out the Saturn and PS were neck and neck in sales after the Saturn Easter Price cut , but provided no sales or data to back up his claims (turns out it was sales just for that week, rather than total system sold in the UK, which Andy mee implied ) . So They may all play the PR game and the shipped (rather than sold numbers from time to time) But when a corp comes out with detailed figures of the amount of games and systems sold its more or less right . It's not like all those numbers for Nintendo make good reading either when you look at the poor sales of the Cube (for example).
It's not having a go at SEGA at all, just pointing out the truth . I've always been on the thinking SEGA was at its best when it was the underdog and sales never mean anything to me , never change my views on the Saturn being the best system ever. Hell I still say the Neo Geo Pocket is the best Handheld ever made, even though sales wise it was a complete flop in all the markets - Its the games that count for me
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Nintendo's official figs aren't reliable..
PIcture of a Nintendo Fig:
(http://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/clip_image00214.jpg)
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Like Nirmugen ? Again that's another member that tends to see people saying this system or that game sold better than that SEGA console or game has an outright attack on SEGA . When all one is doing, is pointing out the truth .
What are you saying? I'm pointing out in what part of that report Nintendo got it wrong and why how many people could be easily tricked by that mistake. Ninty reunites all the sales in THE AMERICAS in both consoles, not only Usa and Canada.
If you do that with the MD, the sales are even bigger that only counting USA. Europe the same.
Another mistake was counting Europe as a part of "Other" in that report. Even with that, the MD sales in Europe are bigger than the whole sales of the SNES in Europe, India, Asia and more in conjunction. Is even better when you count the sales of the MD in another regions, just as I posted.
And I post a link to an analysis with data sheet.
Also, Joe, is good that you want to defend your opinion and facts about that era but at least don't insult him when you are doing that.
We couldn't terminate this pointless debate if you are continuing to do that.
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I'm pointing out in what part of that report Nintendo got it wrong and why how many people could be easily tricked by that mistake. Ninty reunites all the sales in THE AMERICAS in both consoles, not only Usa and Canada
You never and the figures you produced were completely over all the shop . Less than 2 million Mega Drive sold in the whole of Asia?, when SEGA sold over 3 million Mega Drive's in Japan alone and then counting in the USA twice and even trying to include the USA in S.America sales lol , when the USA isn't a part of that market .
Even with that, the MD sales in Europe are bigger than the whole sales of the SNES in Europe
UK Yes , Germany very close Spain and the likes of France was a win for Nintendo and the Snes. But Nintendo was able to be a good 2nd place in both the USA and UK and thanks to its total dominance of Japan was able to produce better sales worldwide. Those are facts I think you'll find .
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What are you saying? I'm pointing out in what part of that report Nintendo got it wrong and why how many people could be easily tricked by that mistake. Ninty reunites all the sales in THE AMERICAS in both consoles, not only Usa and Canada.
If you do that with the MD, the sales are even bigger that only counting USA. Europe the same.
Another mistake was counting Europe as a part of "Other" in that report. Even with that, the MD sales in Europe are bigger than the whole sales of the SNES in Europe, India, Asia and more in conjunction. Is even better when you count the sales of the MD in another regions, just as I posted.
And I post a link to an analysis with data sheet.
Also, Joe, is good that you want to defend your opinion and facts about that era but at least don't insult him when you are doing that.
We couldn't terminate this pointless debate if you are continuing to do that.
I insult people who insult my intelligence with twisting and spinning and downright lying. As for the nintendo crap..everyone who knows KNOWS that their figures aren't accurate. The fact this moob hasn't even come up with any actual evidence to support his wild claims is another example why you are just wasting you're time on this troll.
You never and the figures you produced were completely over all the shop . Less than 2 million Mega Drive sold in the whole of Asia?, when SEGA sold over 3 million Mega Drive's in Japan alone and then counting in the USA twice and even trying to include the USA in S.America sales lol , when the USA isn't a part of that market .
UK Yes , Germany very close Spain and the likes of France was a win for Nintendo and the Snes. But Nintendo was able to be a good 2nd place in both the USA and UK and thanks to its total dominance of Japan was able to produce better sales worldwide. Those are facts I think you'll find .
Still a no then. Thought as much.
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But Nintendo was able to be a good 2nd place in both the USA and UK and thanks to its total dominance of Japan was able to produce better sales worldwide. Those are facts I think you'll find .
The point is, they only achieved this by continuing to sell the console many years into the subsequent console generations. I believe it was finally discontinued in the 2000s. Well, kudos to them for still selling them that late, but during the 16-bit era, they lost. After their haughty "Sega is nothing" attitude in the 1980s, to be defeated like that by Sega, to lose that dominant market share to a rival they regarded with so little respect, was surely what made them want to save face and keep the SNES on the market for decades longer if need be, only to get the 'win' on paper.
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The point is, they only achieved this by continuing to sell the console many years into the subsequent console generations. I believe it was finally discontinued in the 2000s
That was a factor but Nintendo sold over 10 million SNES In Japan before the Saturn or PS launched in Japan. And I see you people are counting Brazil sales for the Mega Drive - A place that always sold SEGA Hardware long after it was discontinued in most other countries
everyone who knows KNOWS that their figures aren't accurate
LOL. That's official sales from the manufacturer. You just can't provide anything to counter and be caught out yet again . So I'm done with you on this matter.
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That was a factor but Nintendo sold over 10 million SNES In Japan before the Saturn or PS launched in Japan. And I see you people are counting Brazil sales for the Mega Drive - A place that always sold SEGA Hardware long after it was discontinued in most other countries
LOL. That's official sales from the manufacturer. You just can't provide anything to counter and be caught out yet again . So I'm done with you on this matter.
Still a no then? LOL.
In other words you do not have an independent data sheet to counter anything but an unreliable report from a manufacturer whose figures are known to be wrong and jumped up to make it look good for everyone else.
Why are you replying on this post?
Why are you wasting mine and everyone elses time?
Get a independent data sheet instead of silly web links or shut up.
but guess what you can't. So officially i've won this debate. As usual.
That's ROJM 7-0 TA.
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Does this mean that the SNES was a better console than the Saturn?
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Does this mean that the SNES was a better console than the Saturn?
Does this mean that the Philips CDI crap was a better than the Saturn? Since everything non sega did better according to TA..LOL
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In other words you do not have an independent data sheet to counter anything but an unreliable report from a manufacturer whose figures are known to be wrong
I'm done with you . You can't produce a link or data sheet that shows 'worldwide' sales of any of the '16 bit consoles', much less proof that Nintendo own fig's are wrong. So like I said I'm done with you on this matter
Does this mean that the SNES was a better console than the Saturn
I never one to think sales prove a game or system is better because they sell the most . Think like that SONY made the best ever consoles
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I'm done with you . You can't produce a link or data sheet that shows 'worldwide' sales of any of the '16 bit consoles', much less proof that Nintendo own fig's are wrong. So like I said I'm done with you on this matter
I never one to think sales prove a game or system is better because they sell the most . Think like that SONY made the best ever consoles
Still a no then? LOL.
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Does this mean that the Philips CDI crap was a better than the Saturn? Since everything non sega did better according to TA..LOL
What's wrong with the Philly CDI? Don't be a H8r Alig8r
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What's wrong with the Philly CDI
I actually liked my CDI I wish I never sold it . But if one listen to Joe, SEGA made the most money and sold the most consoles. Makes you wonder why SEGA almost went bankrupt with debts of over 800 million dollars and was sold off to SAMMY against the wishes of SEGA top brass
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I actually liked my CDI I wish I never sold it . But if one listen to Joe SEGA made the most money and sold the consoles. Makes you wonder why SEGA almost went bankrupt with debts of over 800 million dollars and was sold off to SAMMY against the wishes of SEGA top brass
I believe it's because the CEO's gambling problem. Find me documentation that says otherwise if you don't believe me.
What was your favourite CDI game?
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What was your favourite CDI game
I never had a stand out title per say . I just enjoyed the FMV games and me and my mates did have a laugh with the likes of Dragon Lair 2, Who Shot Jonney Rock, The 7th Guest, Cludeo, Lost Eden (looked amazing back in the day) The Apprentice , Pam Springs .
The system was bad, but like some bad b-movie films it made them kind of good in a funny way
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I actually liked my CDI I wish I never sold it . But if one listen to Joe, SEGA made the most money and sold the most consoles. Makes you wonder why SEGA almost went bankrupt with debts of over 800 million dollars and was sold off to SAMMY against the wishes of SEGA top brass
They don't need to listen to me. They just read the evidence that shows Sega winning the console war from an independent data sheet.
Something which you still haven't been able to counter.Why? Because Sega WON the console war. end of.
If we listen to you then we'd all think Sony invented mainstream gaming and Nintendo was better than anyone else in every single console war.
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What's wrong with the Philly CDI? Don't be a H8r Alig8r
Because TA said that it made more money and was better than the MCD and that's simple not true when it comes to profit,the MCD beat it hands down. It also had the better selection of games. That's the reason i said it.
I really don't know why this faker sega gamer who clearly isn't a sega fan keeps coming on to this forum for.All he does is twist lies and bad mouth sega at every opportunity he gets or tries to re write history that everyone knows isn't true. He is simple a waste of time and energy and never backs up anything that he claims.
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ROJM. If you have the ability to go in and edit your latest post to add new comments, do so. Please try to avoid double and triple posting.
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Because TA said that it made more money and was better than the MCD
Take the time to read, what people type and say and wipe away the hate and lie drool . What I actually said was in response to people saying the Mega CD was successes because we saw many variations, that didn't make it so, as with the Philips CDI were saw many variations of that machine including a portable version and even a SONY version for Japan : That doesn't mean the CDI was a massive seller even if like with the Mega CD Philips supported the formate for over 4 years
Never ever said the CDI sold better or made more money - So take that bare face lie back and retract it right now , TA
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Take the time to read, what people type and say and wipe away the hate and lie drool . What I actually said was in response to people saying the Mega CD was successes because we saw many variations, that didn't make it so, as with the Philips CDI were saw many variations of that machine including a portable version and even a SONY version for Japan : That doesn't mean the CDI was a massive seller even if like with the Mega CD Philips supported the formate for over 4 years
Never ever said the CDI sold better or made more money - So take that bare face lie back and retract it right now , TA
You did..you even said it now..if Sega had the money..well they did have the money or they wouldn't have brought game companies.expand their arcade operation worldwide..let alone invest in new systems in the nineties. So don't bother with that one.
Practise what you preach. All you've done to me and many people here is spin,twist and lies on things that people say or things already firmly established. Just like my data sheet which up to now you haven't even been able to disprove. Instead you carry on trolling nonsense for over ten threads now.As usual. what a lousy excuse for a person you have become.
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well they did have the money or they wouldn't have brought game companies.expand their arcade operation worldwide..let alone invest in new systems in the nineties
What . In the late 90's not only was SEGA losing money had over fist, it was also massively downsizing its Arcade operations worldwide including getting rid it's SEGA world's in the UK and selling off its stake in the likes of JPM and Death Leisure, In the USA it was no different and even in Japan, SEGA was closing down Arcades and out sourcing out manufacture of its Arcade units/Cab's rather than making them in house Only thanks to CSK and the late great Isao Okawa was SEGA able to keep going, but even Okawa-san could only bankroll SEGA for so long.
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As usual. what a lousy excuse for a person you have become.
I've told you time and time again to stop using insults against people in your forum debates. Consider this an official strike.